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Wozniak To Apple: Consider Building an Android Phone

samzenpus posted about 2 months ago | from the building-with-the-enemy dept.

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snydeq writes "Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak has some advice for Apple CEO Tim Cook: consider offering a phone based on the rival Google Android platform. Speaking at the Apps World conference in San Francisco, Wozniak made the suggestion of an Apple Android device when responding to a question about the fate of the faltering BlackBerry platform, saying that BlackBerry should have built an Android phone, and that Apple could do so, too. 'BlackBerry's very sad for me,' Wozniak lamented. 'I think it's probably too late now' for an Android-based BlackBerry phone. Apple, Woz said, has had some lucky victories in the marketplace in the past decade, and BlackBerry's demise may provide a cautionary tale: 'There's nothing to keep Apple out of the Android market as a secondary phone market.'"

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first (-1, Offtopic)

maliqua (1316471) | about 2 months ago | (#46179585)

fuck beta

Any way to disable beta? (-1, Offtopic)

mestar (121800) | about 2 months ago | (#46179603)

Any way to disable beta?

Re:Any way to disable beta? (0, Offtopic)

tepples (727027) | about 2 months ago | (#46179635)

Universal Studios tried disabling beta, and it failed [wikipedia.org]. But you can do better by searching (Ctrl+F) for the word "classic" near the bottom of this page.

Re:Any way to disable beta? (1, Informative)

QuantumLeaper (607189) | about 2 months ago | (#46179899)

Try http://slashdot.org/?nobeta=1 [slashdot.org] at least until they switch completely over. I don't know I what I did but currently I never see the Beta.

Re:Any way to disable beta? (1, Informative)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about 2 months ago | (#46180313)

Try http://slashdot.org/?nobeta=1 [slashdot.org] at least until they switch completely over. I don't know I what I did but currently I never see the Beta.

Evidently it remembers your last use. If you are in beta and click the classic mode link, then the next time you come back you will still be in classic mode. At least for now.

Re:first (1, Offtopic)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 2 months ago | (#46179617)

Indeed, fuck the beta site.

This could have been a good flame war, fun for all the family. Instead we have the beta site hanging over us, preventing half the fanbois from participating. Fuck the whole thing.

Re:first (5, Interesting)

s.petry (762400) | about 2 months ago | (#46179803)

I have a hopefully coherent thread written here [slashdot.org] which could be a point of discussion assuming enough people want it on the front page as a stand alone article.

Re:first (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179637)

There are a lot of snarky comments in the “fuck beta” threads right now, and reading what little has been posted by soulskill, the admins actually think that they are being unfairly targeted by a mob mentality. This is a problem because the issues here will likely get managerial attention at Dice soon and if the executives see what looks like a bunch of juvenile shite in the comments, they are likely to buy into that false world view. If that happens, then Beta will be pushed through and Dice will think of themselves as victims of Anonymous or whatever.

For this reason, I wish to lead a call for all users to spend the time from now until the boycott on the 10th to repost this as soon as a new story is posted.

----------------------

Dice: Frankly, many of us want a new design, Classic is broken in so many ways. But beta is terrible, and this is what is wrong:

    * The value that Slashdot brings to its users is not in its articles. Frankly, the articles are terrible. The value that Slashdot provides is a discussion forum for self-selected nerds.

* As such, it is vital that you remember that the community is not just an audience, it is also your primary content creator.

    * Your new redesign does not allow the community to create (or even consume) content because:
                    - It makes it impossible to follow discussions in the comments sections. This is largely because of the max-width on window and the fact that of the space left over is taken up by a useless sidebar. The vertical spacing is also overdone.
                        - Slashdot has a fragile but effective moderation system. Your changes make it impossible for readers to leverage that system to read a high quality discussion and ignore the trolls.
                    - It disregards conventions of the community. UIDs matter. We’re nerds. We understand that you need to attract a younger audience, but for a lot of us (including the younguns) it is thrilling to see a post from somebody who has been there from the beginning.

    * In the last 24 hours Soulskill has bitterly commented that the community has been involved since October and that they also get emails supporting the new design; only the comments are an echo chamber. This comment demonstrates a deep incompetence in your development team. Soulskill should have been citing A-B testing numbers. A-B testing is cheap, easy and effective but instead you are taking stabs in the dark.

    * Your ability to attain user acceptance is dismal. A number of years ago, when Taco needed to modernize the site, he solicited the community for designs, and awarded the best designer and used that design. That is how you leverage a community and gain their acceptance: incorporate them in the design process. As a bonus, you won’t have utterly useless redesigns that will either ruin your website or have to be scrapped.

Re:first (1)

pr0ntab (632466) | about 2 months ago | (#46179801)

Commenters are doing such things, but it is foolish to think that management is going to throw good money after bad to redesign the site again when they've had a bad year with Slashdot Media financially. Their best bet is to simply turn it into another buzzfeed-like linkfarm and hope it generates revenue somehow (maybe sell it). So ... yeah. Let's just take her out back and put her out of her misery. Maybe some angel investor will come in and buy up the property and allow us to like support the site's maintenance via paypal. Maybe I'll grow another dick. :3

Dude, there is plenty of fat to be trimmed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179971)

Slashdot media has 35 employees. Can you believe the insanity of that? 35 fucking employees to run this site and a bunch of shit spin-offs. There is plenty of fat to trim there that will make Slashdot profitable for _years_, all they have to do is scrap this shitty beta and fire these incompetent assholes.

Re:Dude, there is plenty of fat to be trimmed (1)

Velex (120469) | about 2 months ago | (#46180015)

It may not be Slashdot Media employees per se. I think we have to look higher up the food chain.

Re:Dude, there is plenty of fat to be trimmed (2)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about 2 months ago | (#46180375)

Slashdot media has 35 employees. Can you believe the insanity of that? 35 fucking employees to run this site and a bunch of shit spin-offs. There is plenty of fat to trim there that will make Slashdot profitable for _years_, all they have to do is scrap this shitty beta and fire these incompetent assholes.

I don't work for Slashdot media, but I'm sure they appreciate an anonymous coward saying to fire them. After all, usually it is not the decision maker that gets fired, but the rank and file employee. Since slashdot lost money this year, it would be cheaper for Dice to fire all 35 employees and just shut down the site. That would also end the beta.

Re:first (1)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about 2 months ago | (#46180339)

Commenters are doing such things, but it is foolish to think that management is going to throw good money after bad to redesign the site again when they've had a bad year with Slashdot Media financially.

Their best bet is to simply turn it into another buzzfeed-like linkfarm and hope it generates revenue somehow (maybe sell it). So ... yeah. Let's just take her out back and put her out of her misery.

Maybe some angel investor will come in and buy up the property and allow us to like support the site's maintenance via paypal.

Maybe I'll grow another dick. :3

It's even more foolish to think that Dice is going to respond to a bunch of "Fuck Beta" comments.

Re: first (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179871)

If the admin does believe it unfair, then maybe a POLL in in order.

Re:first (1)

ImdatS (958642) | about 2 months ago | (#46180017)

Well, I guess it will be time to move on when beta becomes standard and/or the only option.

Sad that I will lose my "Karma: Excellent", but beta is really bad - actually, horrible.

Dice: Please go back to the drawing board and just make the classic/current design slightly nicer/better - that's all we need. No new fancy UI which I can't really use.

It will be a sad day when I ask for deletion of my account - all those times I spent trying to write really informative comments - lost in time like tears in rain...

Re:first (2)

DocHoncho (1198543) | about 2 months ago | (#46180273)

Has anyone seen this [slashdotmedia.com]?

Took the tour, laughed at gems like "A redesign 16 years in the making ... you know it's going to be good." LOL.

"Intuitive menus" that feature prominently the desolate ghettos that are the new "Channels," SlashBI, SlashCloud, etc. The rest is just a randomly sorted list of "popular topics."

"Social media integration" Oh, they've got Facebook spy bugs now! Too bad those dumb little buttons are probably blocked by a fairly large contingent of the userbase has those sad little abominations blocked (bonus points for IPTables or HOSTS based solutions!) they seem to exist solely to provide free advertising for cheap, lazy entities and to vigorously ejaculate banal content around the internet, like a giant mug of frothy, steaming semen. For god's sake, the stopwatch on my phone has a share feature, so you can litter your facebook with "My time is 00:01:22."

To top it all off, the tour ends with the text "The New Slashdot. Newsier. Nerdier." What the hell is so nerdy about a rotten abortion of an update that, so far as I can tell, the community nearly unilaterally despises? Hey advertisers! Come pay to advertise on a site that just alienated it's user base!

Slashdot readership to Dice (2, Informative)

gumpish (682245) | about 2 months ago | (#46179605)

Consider scrapping beta.

Re:Slashdot readership to Dice (1)

ElementOfDestruction (2024308) | about 2 months ago | (#46179619)

... didn't you just begin a sentence on the subject line and finish it in the body?

Re:Slashdot readership to Dice (1)

ElementOfDestruction (2024308) | about 2 months ago | (#46179647)

.... and then change your sig from "I automatically downmod all posts which begin in the subject line and finish in the body?"

Re:Slashdot readership to Dice (1)

gumpish (682245) | about 2 months ago | (#46179685)

Well, I could make the case that "X to Y" is more like a mail header. "Consider Z" does stand as a sentence on its own...

Re:Slashdot readership to Dice (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179865)

Go fuck yourself, you homosexual pervert.

Re:Slashdot readership to Dice (2, Interesting)

globaljustin (574257) | about 2 months ago | (#46179755)

Consider scrapping beta.

agree...i hate that we have to hijack threads to say this but they need to stop

plz Dice...stop...just stop

slashdot's 'look and feel' is fine how it is...ok, some could say its dated...but the is **not** to hack the content down to a big 'feed' that buries content under graphics

leave the main layout the same! tinker with logos/colors/menu types etc. but **don't remove whole sidebars** and put giant squares of color where informative text used to be

this is the worst trend in "U/X" right now....the idea that less information is somehow better and that users somehow prefer all content from one giant feed pipe

please...just stop...

if you want to make it look snappy, fine, but dont reduce the complexity & information level

Re:Slashdot readership to Dice (2)

Velex (120469) | about 2 months ago | (#46180155)

Exactly.

I would be happy with [FUCK] BETA if it weren't for the superfluous sidebar that continues down the page to infinity and beyond, limiting space for comments and the various other layout issues. The font size is too big for another thing. Now I know I can hit ctrl+- a few times, but I mean, come on! I want comments to be the full width of my window, and I want to choose whether I want to see all comments when I'm moderating and whether I just want to browse at +1 or +2 depending on my attention span any particular day. In fact, I don't give a FUCK BETA whether a comment was modded up because it was funny, insightful, or interesting or whatever. All I care about is how many moderators thought the comment was noteworthy when I don't care to browse at 0 or -1.

FUCK BETA is like everything I hate about the mobile site brought to a desktop site. I even do "request desktop site" on my phone when browsing Slashdot because the mobile site is worthless. I once tried modding on the mobile site, and not a single mod ever took place! (Still had my mod points when I got home!)

We can argue about whether or not it's too AJAXy or whether JQuery is too onerous. All I want is the Slashdot I know and love for its threaded comment system and moderation/meta-moderation system. More power to Dice if they can realize a functional AJAXy vision of that in my opinion as long as it degrades gracefully for browsers such as elinks (yes, I actually do use elinks on occasion!) and screen readers, but FUCK BETA is not that.

I'm getting desperate. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179863)

I'm willing to accept them replacing the comments with Google+ at this point if it means beta goes away.

Racial overtones to "MOVIN' ON UP"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179609)

My understanding is that the phrase "MOVIN' ON UP" comes from the theme song of a 1970s and 1980s American TV show called The Jeffersons. It is also my understanding that the show revolves around an African-American couple and the trials and tribulations they must deal with in their daily lives.

Given its ties to the African-American culture and experience, I find it a very odd phrase to be used here. While there are African-Americans here, no doubt, it is my understanding that the Slashdot demographic is generally that of the middle-aged white male.

The contrast between the phrase's origin and how it's being used here gives me the impression, perhaps wrongly, that we're being mocked by it.

It's inherently contradictory, at its most elemental level. The Slashdot beta is obviously inferior to the existing site. Some may even go so far as to say that the beta site is a steaming pile of horse shit. So being forced to use it clearly is not comparable to "moving on up" in society.

At a deeper level, the use of that phrase gives me the impression, again perhaps wrongly, that we users of Slashdot are considered an "underclass" here, much as African-Americans have been historically treated as such in the United States. It's as if we're being told that we are individuals with no free will; we are forced into doing the bidding of others. In this case, we are forced against our will to use the rancid Slashdot beta site.

I think it's a very poor choice of words, personally. While I don't care much for political correctness, I also do not care much for the unnecessary use of phrases that may be misinterpreted so easily. I care even less for wording that may very well be mocking me and my fellow Slashdot users, especially when there's the possibility that there's a racial element to it.

Re:Racial overtones to "MOVIN' ON UP"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179833)

Please, STFU. Do you have any clue how idiotic you sound?

AC to Slashdot: Consider offering "classic" option (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179613)

I think it is clear nobody likes your shitty Beta design. If you don't give us the option to continue using the "classic" mode we will leave.

Beta Sucks! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179615)

Please post this to new articles if it hasn't been posted yet. (Copy-paste the html from here [pastebin.com] so links don't get mangled!)

On February 5, 2014, Slashdot announced through a javascript popup that they are starting to "move in to" the new Slashdot Beta design. Slashdot Beta is a trend-following attempt to give Slashdot a fresh look, an approach that has led to less space for text and an abandonment of the traditional Slashdot look. Much worse than that, Slashdot Beta fundamentally breaks the classic Slashdot discussion and moderation system.

If you haven't seen Slashdot Beta already, open this [slashdot.org] in a new tab. After seeing that, click here [slashdot.org] to return to classic Slashdot.

We should boycott stories and only discuss the abomination that is Slashdot Beta until Dice abandons the project.
We should boycott slashdot entirely during the week of Feb 10 to Feb 17 as part of the wider slashcott [slashdot.org]

Moderators - only spend mod points on comments that discuss Beta
Commentors - only discuss Beta
  http://slashdot.org/recent [slashdot.org] - Vote up the Fuck Beta stories

Keep this up for a few days and we may finally get the PHBs attention.

-----=====##### LINKS #####=====-----

Discussion of Beta: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=56395415 [slashdot.org]

Discussion of where to go if Beta goes live: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3321441 [slashdot.org]

Alternative Slashdot: http://altslashdot.org [altslashdot.org] (thanks Okian Warrior (537106) [slashdot.org])

WORST. BETA. EVER. (0, Flamebait)

2phar (137027) | about 2 months ago | (#46179621)

For a start, remove the MOVIN ON UP banner.

Postpone any plan to 'migrate' people to the beta at this time and make it clear that you have.

Go back and at least make sure all the current comments-handling functionality is in place on the new site before even thinking of trying it again. Run a story on the current site about the beta again when you have done that, and see how it's received in the comments [you know - the thing Slashdot excels at] before switching people over to it.

Then again, the above only matters if you're concerned about keeping the current user base. That's open to question.

Alleged Apple patents on Android (5, Informative)

tepples (727027) | about 2 months ago | (#46179623)

There's nothing to keep Apple out of the Android market as a secondary phone market.

Of course there is. Apple isn't allowed to distribute copies of Android to the public except under license from Linus Torvalds, Google, and other contributors to Android. If Apple accepts the license of Android (mostly Apache v2 and GPLv2), it has to give the public an implicit or explicit license to patents that Apple holds that Android allegedly infringes. So unless Apple wants to end up dropping lawsuits against Samsung, it has to refrain from making an iDroid.

Re:Alleged Apple patents on Android (1)

TWX (665546) | about 2 months ago | (#46179707)

You'd need to read up on SCO vs Novell et al, I don't think that the argument by Novell and company that SCO had implicitly granted permissions for the code that they were suing about by continuing to distribute the successor to Caldera OpenLinux, which contained a GPL license with the theoretically offending code, was recognized. If it had been then the suit would not have lasted for as long as it did.

-1 ontopic (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179753)

Fuck you. Today,
fuck beta is all there is to say.

Re:Alleged Apple patents on Android (0)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about 2 months ago | (#46179849)

Apple's rich enough to duke it out with the other Big Boys over patents. But they don't want to dilute their high end hardware brand. It would be like BMW producing cheap Ford Locus copies. People buy Apple because they want "something special".

Re:Alleged Apple patents on Android (2, Informative)

TWX (665546) | about 2 months ago | (#46179947)

They (BMW) already have a lower-end model, it's called the Mini Cooper.

And Mercedes has Smart, and even had Smart in North America for a time.

And the analogy falls apart when one considers that Apple isn't really a premium brand anyway. Unfortunately the premium brands are essentially gone now. SGI, Sun, hell, even HP and IBM had their high, high end workstations. Apple doesn't make high-end, they make commodity. They make some things that are better than others, but for every Cadillac they have plenty of Buicks and Chevrolets.

Re: Alleged Apple patents on Android (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179959)

BMW make the mini.
VW makes Skoda's and Audi's

Re:Alleged Apple patents on Android (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179867)

If what you said was true in any way that would mean that anyone who builds an Android phone would be forfeiting patent rights to anyone else building an Android phone. We know that's not true.
 
Just more clueless FUD from the clueless masses.

Re:Alleged Apple patents on Android (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179901)

This is funny, of course they'll use Android. They don't make anything themselves. Haven't you noticed how Mac OSX is a blatant rip off of Red Star OS? Glorious Leader spent several hours creating an operating system from scratch only to have it stolen by these capitalist lapdogs.

 

Re:Alleged Apple patents on Android (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46180035)

I was railing your mom'a ass yesterday morning and all she kept screaming was "fuck beta", fuck beta!"

Re:Alleged Apple patents on Android (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46180103)

What the fuck are you on about? The GPLv2 says nothing about patents. The GPLv3 has a patent clause in it, but I'm sure none of the Android code uses GPLv3.

Wozniak to Slashdot (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179625)

Fuck Beta

Since slashdot is now run by marketing... (0, Offtopic)

MarkRose (820682) | about 2 months ago | (#46179631)

Since slashdot is now run by marketing, why not let them know about the beta where they might listen? Slashdot Media on LinkedIn [linkedin.com].

Jesus Christ they have 35 employees (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179847)

How can that be possible? How can they have possibly have 35 employees and not one competent web designer?

BRING ON THE BETA AND ALL THAT IS GOOD !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179653)

Because what is good for Dice is good for Slashdot and what is good from Slashdot is good for us !!

NOT !!

P.S. It will not work !! Beta is dead !! BUT !! Classic is already dead !! Beta is the new classic !! WELCOME TO MY NIGHTMARE !!

Users To Slashdot: Consider Building A Usable Site (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179661)

Consider offering a site that is not based on garbage.

Beta Sucks (2, Informative)

tekpagan (113878) | about 2 months ago | (#46179671)

Beta Sucks
Join the boycott Feb 10-17.
If Beta is still here on the 18th I will not return.
Do not fix what is not broken.

Re:Beta Sucks (0)

Mitreya (579078) | about 2 months ago | (#46179811)

Join the boycott Feb 10-17.
If Beta is still here on the 18th I will not return.

Exactly. Let's do that
I have been here for well over 10 years, and I am now investigating possible /. alternatives.

We should have a discussion titled "Where would you go should Beta become permanent?"

Re:Beta Sucks (2, Insightful)

Princeofcups (150855) | about 2 months ago | (#46179815)

Beta Sucks
Join the boycott Feb 10-17.
If Beta is still here on the 18th I will not return.
Do not fix what is not broken.

Please stop with this boycott nonsense. It accomplishes nothing except letting you "think" that you are doing something when you are powerless to do anything.

Re:Beta Sucks (0)

sexconker (1179573) | about 2 months ago | (#46179939)

Beta Sucks
Join the boycott Feb 10-17.
If Beta is still here on the 18th I will not return.
Do not fix what is not broken.

Please stop with this boycott nonsense. It accomplishes nothing except letting you "think" that you are doing something when you are powerless to do anything.

So you want to boycott the boycott? That accomplishes nothing except letting you "think" that you are doing something when you are powerless to do anything.
I'd rather boycott your boycott of the boycott.

F
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K

B
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A

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK BETA!!!!!!!!!!

Re:Beta Sucks (1)

pitchpipe (708843) | about 2 months ago | (#46180303)

Please stop with this boycott nonsense. It accomplishes nothing except letting you "think" that you are doing something when you are powerless to do anything.

Actually, it will just be a test to myself more likely. I won't go on Slashdot for a week in boycott. At the end of the week I'll come back to see if beta is 'live'. If it is the boycott will still end, and Slashdot will be a website that I used to go to.

Side note to all you longtime users/posters: I just want to thank you for all of the great commentary over the years, some comments have changed me and some had tears streaming down my cheeks with laughter.

The nerds are dead. Long live the nerds!

Re:Beta Sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179853)

Consider it done!

captcha: bunkmate

Re:Beta Sucks (0)

B1ackDragon (543470) | about 2 months ago | (#46180087)

I will join you. I just burned all 15 of my mod points on other stories voting up "fuck beta" posts, but I won't even visit the site from the 10th to the 17th (or whenever we settle on for a boycott). It will be interesting to see how often I get mod points after this debacle is over one way or another ;)
Slashdot has never been a paragon of beauty OR usability, but this redesign really kills the discussion; I even gave it a shot.

So that we won't forget the Woz... (1)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | about 2 months ago | (#46179677)

It's that time of year again! Wozniak needs to remain visible and he delivers his usual controversial quotes to internet to feed the link baits.

Beta sucks btw.

would make Android into Apple's slave (1)

globaljustin (574257) | about 2 months ago | (#46179843)

Wozniak needs to remain visible and he delivers his usual controversial quotes

maybe Woz does this...idk...but on the merits this is an awesome idea. this is what actual "innovation" in business looks like

the iphone running Android would make Google into Apple's bitch...

strategically, you get them on your hardware with the option of using Android software...fine...if Google gets testy, **users can switch to iOS easily**

Android users on iPhone would always be *one click* away from iOS...that would let Apple dictate development terms to Android

fanboi disclaimer: I use devices with both Android and iOS so im not pimping one over the other..

why oh why malda (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179705)

Why did you leave slashdot in the hands of bunch of marketing soulless faggots who created Beta
Fuck beta

Re:why oh why malda (-1, Troll)

sexconker (1179573) | about 2 months ago | (#46179975)

Why did you leave slashdot in the hands of bunch of marketing soulless faggots who created Beta
Fuck beta

Because he needed both hands - one for the magnifying glass and one for the tweezers - to find his micro penis.

beta is worse than meego (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179709)

Fuck beta.

I've long considered Steve Wozniak a person to respect for his contributions to the early home PC market, but this right here? This is where he jumped the shark.

Not enough ad revenue? Why not piss off the users? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179711)

What kind of brain-dead moron, when confronted with low ad revenue for a site, proceeds down a path that pisses off the users?

"Hey, I have a hemorrhoid! I'll shove a hand grenade up my ass to fix it!"

WRONG (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179723)

There are very good reasons.

1. profit - Apple already earns most of the profits to be made http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2013/08/22/apple-samsung-dediu-profits/
2. Control - unless they fork it, Google is in control , and if you are going to fork it why not just stick with IOS
3. Good taste - Apple does NOT want to be associated with all the low end crap
4. No eco-system - Apple will NOT want to support iTunes etc etc on a platform they don't control, particularly if people try to run the Apps on 3rd party phones

So if Apple were to make a high quality Android phone , it would probably cost the same money as the iPhone , so they may as well stick to IOS because its working for them.

Re: WRONG (2)

Scowler (667000) | about 2 months ago | (#46180009)

Apple should take this in the opposite direction... Provide tools to migrate Android data to iOS. For example, allow an Android user iCloud access, and be able to load that data (including app-specific data) from iPad/iPhone. Make the bar to convert to iOS as low as possible.

Comment to Wozniak (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179731)

Consider retiring or putting more effort into research before suggesting what you did.

Oh and down with Beta...

Don't care - Screw BETA (0, Offtopic)

Adeptus_Luminati (634274) | about 2 months ago | (#46179737)

You cannot ignore us forever... soon enough we will ignore you.

Re:Don't care - Screw BETA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179985)

.. and don't forget, we are the ones who provides the content for which people visit your site. And FUCK BETA!!

errrr.. no (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179741)

That's about a likely as Microsoft building their own Linux distro

Yes, quite the cautionary tale indeed. (1)

sootman (158191) | about 2 months ago | (#46179785)

The moral of BlackBerry's demise is, "Don't make be a show-moving turd and make crappy decisions when you're not the the world's most valuable and profitable company at the same time." I think Apple has a bit of a cushion before Mr. Cook is commiserating with Messrs. Lazaridis and Balsillie.

Seeing as how Apple managed to survive without ever shipping a Mac running Windows, I doubt we'll ever see Apple-made hardware leaving the factory with Android installed. That said, it's a neat idea, but it's about as pointless as wishing Ford would ship a Mustang with a Corvette engine.

In other news, slashdot beta still sucks.

fuck beta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179795)

fuck beta, fortunately i am still on classic in my browser at work

Would be a user-experience downgrade (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179797)

I'm one of those "retards" that still have a dumbphone, but having tried both iOS and Android, if I'd ever get a smart one, it sure as hell would not be one running Android.

Wozniak has ruffled feathers before (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179851)

Wozniak has ruffled feathers before, in fact many times. This post concerns merely one issue though.

That is why, even as a longtime apple 2 -> Mac - OS X -> iOS pro developer I admire him for his candor when he slams Apple.

Usually he is right, even if he attacks his own investments, both financial or intellectual.

The best time he attacked apple was back around 1991 or 1992, when in a little publicized shaming of Apple, he complained about Apple's near retarded renaming of names and macros in the header files so that everything you compiled year to year would continually break. Including... THE ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE interface headers!

I had 500 kilobytes of hand crafted assembler and I got so sick of apple ruining my life with capricious and continual spelling changes (they foolishly use way too many abbreviations, and then gradually add more letters over time, like microsoft)... that I made my own headers for assembly language based off frozen header forks.

That way my stuff can always assemble and compile for many many years. This was for a variety of products with over 500,000 paid for licensed copies.

When wozniak bitched about the header utter disrespect at apple, I was so happy to have him in my corner.

Truthfully, Apple source code headers have always been 4 times more logical and better than microsofts, but in OS X they at least have various mechanisms to allow older code to compile with newer headers, with over 5 year overlap, if not 7. Also in OS X there are tools that can extract headers from apps or from the entombed headers in ".framework" files. So the header horror years are long over, except when bridging legacy mac, legacy windows, and Cocoa all into one huge namespace. ... i am digressing...

Breaking it year to year was foolish and wozniak called apple on it, for apple hiring morons.

Wozniak was always semi approachable, and I also like the fact that one of two of wozniaks non personal phone lines was always listed and publicly accessible in his den his whole career, for the polish joke on the tape he left. Many I know called it up in the late 70s early 80s. I was thrilled to see the thing in the recent movie "Jobs". Truthfully, Steve Jobs too, except in person on the sidewalk, was also very very openly approachable, primarily via beth or his other secretaries as intermediaries. And steve was far more humble than biographers give credit. In mid 2000s he drove his own kid to school every day on the way to work, not too many fathers did that.

A serious attempt to get some increased RPMs from (1)

gnujohn (1429147) | about 2 months ago | (#46179895)

A remarkable tale. Not only is Woz reported as having farted at the Church service, we are to believe that he expected applause for his flatulence? But no, this must be a '/. beta bug', coming out of the closet.

Damn, this could have been an interesting topic (5, Insightful)

excelsior_gr (969383) | about 2 months ago | (#46179905)

I was very interesting in reading what the slashdot crowd would have to say on this topic and on the opinion of Woz. However:
1. The slashdot crowd is too pissed of with Beta, so all they do is keep complaining about it, and,
2. If they didn't complain and Beta was rolled out in silence then I would still not be able to read what the slashdot crowd had to say on the comment of Woz, because the discussion section of Beta sucks.

So, pretty please, with sugar on top, take back the fucking Beta.

half wasted space (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179907)

half the space is wasted with all the comments jammed in a narrow column, WTF slashdot beta?

i agree and disagree (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179927)

Blackberry DEFINITELY should have come out with one of their phones (hardware) running Android. However i cannot say the same for Apple.

I would absolutely love a modern, high performance Android phone WITH A REAL KEYBOARD. (and not on the side!!!)

We have spoken... (1)

Nightbrood (6060) | about 2 months ago | (#46179929)

DICE, the community is trying to tell you something. We hope you are listening. This Slash Beta idea you all got obsessed with rolling out is a REALLY bad idea. You obviously tried pencil whip the user feedback portion of your launch plan otherwise the comment system wouldn't have devolved into an outright revolt against the Beta in EVERY. SINGLE. STORY. you have posted today.

Additionally, you should keep in mind that while we love Slashdot, we recognize all good things must come to and end. If this is what you want to do, then do it. However, don't expect a large portion of the community to follow you down that path. I know this because they have told you ALL DAY. I know this because I this community, unlike many others, is made up of the people who have the skills and abilities to REPLACE you. I know they will replace you because you've made them passionate about the cause. Even I, a 4 digit UID and pro-lurker, am fired up enough to post! Fix this guys or the community will fix it for you.

Must resist....MUST. RESIST. SPOCK! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179937)

Story with Wozniak, Apple and Android...MUST RESIST! SPOCK! SPOCK! Slahsot Beta - SPOCK!

Scotty, beam. Me. Up! SPOCK!

MC - COY! I. NEED. Sorrian Brandy!

Give me the brandy!

I wonder if beta fixes things that are actually br (1)

thevirtualcat (1071504) | about 2 months ago | (#46179969)

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This previous line was supposed to read "Like UTF-8 Support." in Unicode look-alike characters.

Incidentally, I don't think they need to throw out the new layout entirely. Just fix the things about it that are horribly broken. Like the huge swaths of empty space at the sides of the screen. Especially the right. Also the comment system.

Alas, I fear that it's only marginally less likely that Apple would build an Android phone than Slashdot is to address any of the community concerns about the layout.

What is a good alternative to slashdot if this cha (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46179979)

As a long time slashdot reader, and thus a long time Internet user, I have seen many other technically oriented websites fade away as they chase "mainstream" viewership. Slashdot did not lose quality overnight with the beta design, this is just another example of how Dice is casting aside it's core community in its attempts to better "monetize the asset" of slashdot. If this trend continues, the "beta" switch will be he last straw for many. What web site is the "escape plan" for my fellow dedicated "slashdot of old" users?

What a perfect example of why beta is bad... (1, Offtopic)

Daneurysm (732825) | about 2 months ago | (#46179987)

This is absolutely astounding. This is one of the most absurd articles I have seen posted to /. in years...the amount of fanboy rage, absurd theories, wild conjecture, fallible prophesying....so much. This is such a juicy article. We have practically been waiting for this since the beginning of the iOS vs Android wars...

...and instead we have focused our efforts on drawing attention to the horrid design that is threatening our digital homestead.

If that doesn't drive home the point that beta = bad, well, I just don't know what will.

Flawless karma be damned, fuck beta.

After over 15 years of this site being my home page I will simply walk away and never look back if the concerns of the user community are not taken into serious consideration. Slashdot is the community.

A real shame. (1)

simonwalton (843796) | about 2 months ago | (#46180011)

I really hope that someone with the skill and resources is creating an alternative for us all to flock to with a similarly functioning moderation system.

It would be amazing if Apple... (1)

fabioalcor (1663783) | about 2 months ago | (#46180033)

... ah forget about it. FUCK SLASHDOT BETA. The coments aren't even working here, all I've got is a stupid message "Shazbot! We ran into some trouble getting the comments. Try again... na-nu, na-nu!".
Fuck you Dice Holdings.

Fuck Android (-1, Troll)

Tailhook (98486) | about 2 months ago | (#46180129)

and Fuck Beta too.

Why would Apple downgrade from iOS to Android? Android works, but iOS is superior, and I say that as a loyal Nexus S/4/5 buyer. I don't even own an iPhone/whatever, but I know Objective-C/iOS/Xcode is an inherently better platform than Android's development stack; it's faster, more stable and easier to target.

Apple doesn't make a lot of bonehead maneuvers and, unlike Dice's attitude towards their CONTRIBUTORS, I expect they value their customers too much to inflict an obvious fail like that.

Sorry Woz, but I think Apple will, and probably should, remain the semi-boutique alternative that it has always been.

As for Slashdot Beta... well, they better take a few steps back and start listening to their contributors; forums are really easy to make. This crufty little corner of the Internets still punches above its weight with genuine nerds, but they're a fickle bunch and they're pissed off something fierce. Mea culpa time; suck it up, find a grown-up on the payroll that knows how to be sincere and has the authority to un-fuck this deal and get him in front of this.

Or not. It's your choice.

An example of why Beta is bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46180293)

Need an example why Beta is bad? Try finding comments relevant to this topic (or any other topic) on Beta, then try it on the normal Slashdot. ... This also means that if the admins are using the Beta layout themselves, they will never find the more detailed complaints and only see "Fuck Beta".

WTF? Beta? Rename: Awesome Big Fuck (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46180403)

Who wants to be associated with the "beta" of anything? 1. Rename to "Awesome Big Fuck." 2. Sit back and watch the praise flow in. I'm not a manager but I work for one. I know how these types of decisions are made.

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