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NBC News Confuses the World About Cyber-Security

samzenpus posted about 6 months ago | from the think-of-the-athletes dept.

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Nerval's Lobster writes "In a video report posted Feb. 4, NBC News reporter Richard Engel, with the help of a security analyst, two fresh laptops, a new cell phone, and a fake identity, pretended to go online with the technical naiveté of a Neanderthal housepet. (Engel's video blog is here.) Almost as soon as he turned on the phone in the Sochi airport, Engel reported hackers snooping around, testing the security of the machines. Engel's story didn't explain whether 'snooping around' meant someone was port-scanning his device in particular with the intention of cracking its security and prying out its secrets, no matter how much effort it took, or if the 'snooping' was other WiFi devices looking for access points and trying automatically to connect with those that were unprotected. Judging from the rest of his story, it was more likely the latter. Engel also reported hackers snooping around a honeypot set up by his security consultant which, as Gartner analyst Paul Proctor also pointed out in a blog posting, is like leaving the honey open and complaining when it attracts flies. When you try to communicate with anything, it also tries to communicate with you; that's how networked computers work: They communicate with each other. None of the 'hacks' or intrusions Engel created or sought out for himself have anything to do with Russia or Sochi, however; those 'hacks' he experienced could have happened in any Starbucks in the country, and does almost every day, Proctor wrote. That's why there is antivirus software for phones and laptops. It's why every expert, document, video, audio clip or even game that has anything at all to do with cybersecurity makes sure to mention you should never open attachments from spam email, or in email from people you don't know, and you should set up your browser to keep random web sites from downloading and installing anything they want on your computer. But keep up the fear-mongering."

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beta.slashdot.org (-1, Redundant)

pitchpipe (708843) | about 6 months ago | (#46183173)

Check out the new beta.slashdot.org [slashdot.org] !

Might as well get one of these before I go: Frosty Piss.

Re:beta.slashdot.org (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46183215)

Musical anushole
Hitler and pals' sexy fetus
Richard Stallman's Jesus statue
Anushole fiesta
Anus child
Anal fetus

Re:beta.slashdot.org (3, Insightful)

hcs_$reboot (1536101) | about 6 months ago | (#46183619)

I don't know where all of this (beta) thing is going. But this is currently impossible to read a story at /. Not only everyone digresses into "beta", but also no relevant "mod" is performed. I just hope it all gets fixed quickly - whatever the solution is - that starts to be annoying.

Re: beta.slashdot.org (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46183673)

Hi, it's called a "boycott."
Think of the "f beta" posts as picketing.
Also, this is pretty much a non-story.
Clueless reporter doesn't know what he's talking about - news at all damn day long on every news channel.

Re: beta.slashdot.org (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46184071)

LOL!
More than 1 person modded my troll.
Fuckin idiots these days.

Re: beta.slashdot.org (2, Insightful)

dreamchaser (49529) | about 6 months ago | (#46184735)

A boycott would be people not using /. at all. At best all the complaining and 'fuck beta' posts are unproductive protests.

Re: beta.slashdot.org (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46184895)

A boycott would be people not using /. at all.

OK, call it a strike then. Or civil disobedience.

At best all the complaining and 'fuck beta' posts are unproductive protests.

It's disruptive, yes. Unproductive, no -- if it leads to the assholes pushing beta down our throats to reconsider.

Re: beta.slashdot.org (2, Insightful)

runeghost (2509522) | about 6 months ago | (#46185021)

A boycott would be people not using /. at all. At best all the complaining and 'fuck beta' posts are unproductive protests.

That's coming. The complete boycott is Feb. 10th to Feb 17th. In the mean time, keep up the good work with the Beta comments everyone!

Re: beta.slashdot.org (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46184275)

If you think it's bad with all these 'fuck beta' posts, try reading them on Beta!

Dice shit the bed. They are ruining /. and we're trying to show them our disdain for their poorly thought out actions. Their email address for us to send beta feedback to was full and rarely accepted messages (probably a metaphor for their position on the matter). So we went public with our frustrations.

I can't wait for a tech website to report on the /. revolt of 2014. I also expect a few MBAs to do their thesis on how not to ignore your content providers and ad targets when they provide unmistakable signs of disappointment and resistance.

Re: beta.slashdot.org (0)

hcs_$reboot (1536101) | about 6 months ago | (#46184683)

I didn't say these beta posts are bad. I said Fix it! because it is annoying - whatever the solution is: improve || remove beta. /. is a very particular site with no equivalence. Some people want to create a new site, why not. But, as we say, you know what you have, you don't know what you'll get. So, I'd prefer to go for a mediation-solution, where everyone agrees on a strategy to have slashdot back on rails.

Yeah, yeah, we get it now... (1, Informative)

captainpanic (1173915) | about 6 months ago | (#46183705)

There is a discussion topic about the Beta. It is only about 5 items down from this one. We all get it: you don't want the Beta (and I share your feelings, btw). But can we please just keep on enjoying Slashdot too?

Re:Yeah, yeah, we get it now... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46183759)

There is a discussion topic about the Beta. It is only about 5 items down from this one. We all get it: you don't want the Beta (and I share your feelings, btw). But can we please just keep on enjoying Slashdot too?

No. Fuck beta!

Re:Yeah, yeah, we get it now... (5, Insightful)

pitchpipe (708843) | about 6 months ago | (#46183785)

But can we please just keep on enjoying Slashdot too?

But that's the point isn't it? I want to keep enjoying Slashdot as I have for years, but that is most likely going to change, and well, there isn't a really good alternative out there. So I'm trying to communicate that in the one way that will make them reconsider: fucking up the comments. For some reason the Dice clones think that this site is very similar to a tech section from HuffingtonPost.com, and that all they need to do is tweak the UI to drive up traffic. If they can see that the fucked up comments are actually hurting traffic maybe they'll get the message that Slashdot really wasn't what they thought, and that it really is all about the moderation system and comments like everyone has been trying to tell them.

I'm not hopeful though. The sheer arrogance in corporate board rooms today is breathtaking. Look at the Xbone. They had lots of people shouting at them that they were headed for disaster, people who really cared. They told those people that maybe they ought to get with the times. Those people did: they bought PS4s.

Re:Yeah, yeah, we get it now... (1)

PGC (880972) | about 6 months ago | (#46183893)

Interesting how suddenly all Fuck Beta posts are modded away. PS. Fuck Beta.

Re:Yeah, yeah, we get it now... (1)

PGC (880972) | about 6 months ago | (#46184021)

The discussion about Beta is 5 items down, 6 items down, 4 items down, 3 items down, 2 items down, 1 item down, 0 items down and 1 items up ,,,,

blah blah, topic here. (0, Offtopic)

girlintraining (1395911) | about 6 months ago | (#46183185)

Dice Holdings Shows Internet How to Royally Screw Up Website Without Being Hacked

FTFY

I think the Beta (0, Offtopic)

o_ferguson (836655) | about 6 months ago | (#46183191)

is just a marketing ploy, like New Coke.

Re:I think the Beta (0)

pitchpipe (708843) | about 6 months ago | (#46183357)

Right!? This [imgur.com] could be their marketing poster.

Re:I think the Beta (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46183811)

Right!? This [imgur.com] could be their marketing poster.

Fuck New Slashdot. The good old /. would have used Natalie Portman!

Beta betta bugga off (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46183201)

Or we will.

Yours, your content providers.

It's almost too easy (0)

Drew617 (3034513) | about 6 months ago | (#46183211)

"You should set up your browser to keep random web sites from downloading and installing anything they want on your computer."

Yes, we should.

Also: olives and feta.

Re:It's almost too easy (1, Insightful)

game kid (805301) | about 6 months ago | (#46183419)

I'll admit Slashdot has serious balls to link to a news site that just got its own redesign, with the exact response that this site's beta got (and deserved just as much).

Re:It's almost too easy (4, Interesting)

Guy Harris (3803) | about 6 months ago | (#46183527)

I'll admit Slashdot has serious balls to link to a news site that just got its own redesign, with the exact response that this site's beta got (and deserved just as much).

No, it deserved it more. Next to nbcnews.com, beta.slashdot.org is a masterpiece of clean Web design. (Hell, the new nbcnews.com makes buzzfeed.com look not too bad.)

I use a better tactic (4, Funny)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 6 months ago | (#46183469)

My computer is password protected, and I simply don't give the password to NBC reporters. So far, no viruses yet! :-)

Beta (0, Offtopic)

Oh Gawwd Peak Oil (1000227) | about 6 months ago | (#46183213)

Slashdot Beta confuses the world.

Re:Beta (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46183287)

lol you win

I Am Confused About Cyber-Security (0, Offtopic)

dcollins (135727) | about 6 months ago | (#46183219)

I mean, how could Slashdot Beta be such a steaming pile of shit for half a year and still be expected to be rolled out? Was Dice hacked by Russian malware? Are the pipes not like trucks? Is Natalie Portman planning to blow up the House of Lords?

Down with Beta (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46183229)

How fitting that Beta would have an article about someone not understanding the technolgy they are working with.

Hit those hackers with beta (0, Offtopic)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | about 6 months ago | (#46183235)

They'll swear off computers forever.

Re:Hit those hackers with beta (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46183295)

They'll swear off computers forever.

Good idea! I think I'll start now. CONNECTION RESET

Unfair Comparison (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46183243)

My Neanderthal house pet is much more sophisticated than Slashdot Beta!

And these are supposed to be professional media (4, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 6 months ago | (#46183267)

This NBC thing is why I treat blogs and traditional media with equal amounts of respect and skepticism. The "real" media is actually far more prone to making things up wholesale than any blogger, who lives and dies by reputation, ever did.

Re:And these are supposed to be professional media (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46183539)

To be fair, they're less shit than beta.

Re:And these are supposed to be professional media (0, Offtopic)

Yaur (1069446) | about 6 months ago | (#46183655)

idk, hijacking the back button is pretty low even compared to beta.

Not Watching (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46183277)

FYI, the world doesn't watch NBC.

Re:Not Watching (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46184061)

I think this was posted by one of the subset of North Americans who think that North America (or even just the USA) is the world. See also: World Series.

Re:Not Watching (2)

jmac_the_man (1612215) | about 6 months ago | (#46184781)

The World Series is so-named because the best baseball players in the world come to the United States to play because US teams will pay them more money than teams in their country.

Re:Not Watching (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46185115)

Also because nobody else in the world (except Fidel Castro) gives two fucks about baseball.

Let me explain it this way: the US is Dice. Beta is baseball. Dice loves Beta just like US loves Beta. Everyone else hates baseball, much like everybody hates Beta.

2% of USA watches NBC news (1)

raymorris (2726007) | about 6 months ago | (#46185053)

Beyond that, about 7 million people, or 2% of the US, watches NBC news on a given night. 98% of Americans didn't watch that broadcast.

NBC News Confuses a Few Senior Citizens About Cybersecurity
Ftfy

Beta schmeta (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46183303)

Stop with the fucking beta crap and thinking people need a change! Don't fucking fix what isn't broken. If there is a loss of revenue look at the management as fault, not the fucking website. Sounds like DICE looked at /. as a quick rich scheme. FAIL!!!!!

Re: Beta schmeta (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46183395)

Simmer down, bitch.

Revive Kuro5hin.org (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46183313)

NT

CNN, too (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46183343)

They recently confused the URL for a website with the website itself [cnn.com] .

Classic Slashdot (0, Offtopic)

dknj (441802) | about 6 months ago | (#46183345)

This is off topic, but I was getting a warning at the top of Slashdot that classic is going to be going away soon (looks like in 2 months).

How many readers are going to leave if the overlords cut off slashdot classic completely?

Re:Classic Slashdot (0)

Adult film producer (866485) | about 6 months ago | (#46183651)

Many people will and we're trying to stop it. Although my ID is quite high I've been here since '01 and will leave for good if that BETA junk is the new face of slashdot.

It's bad.. bad, bad. Let's stop it before it happens!

Re:Classic Slashdot (3, Interesting)

amn108 (1231606) | about 6 months ago | (#46184161)

I thought people come here for content, not stylesheets?

Thinly veiled attack on Russian security (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46183351)

They have publicly stated they plan on monitoring every internet connection originating from Sochi. Cellular or wired. Big surprise.

The word "cyber" is so 1999. (4, Insightful)

j_presper_eckert (617907) | about 6 months ago | (#46183359)

No one here gives a shit about that lame "o noes hax0rz in mah cup of coffee" NBC article.

The real news is that, after having read tonight's even *more* lame, unhelpful, patronizing and disappointing Slashdot Beta feedback thread, it's now clearer than ever that this ship of ours is sinking. At long last, I think that Netcraft really HAS confirmed it. :/

Soulskill and the other Dice weasels may indeed be "listening" to us, but they've still got a righteous hard-on for destroying this website regardless of how many times we've rubbed their noses in the beta's odiferous offal. I don't believe their calculated, faux-caring, used-car-salesmen spiel for one moment.

The question now is: Exactly when do we take to the lifeboats, and to what safe harbor do we start rowing towards?

~JPE

Re:The word "cyber" is so 1999. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46183547)

I think technocrat is coming back. Go there.

Re:The word "cyber" is so 1999. (1)

Tom (822) | about 6 months ago | (#46184543)

after having read tonight's even *more* lame, unhelpful, patronizing and disappointing Slashdot Beta feedback thread

Strange, that must've fallen through my filters somehow. Where is it?

Re:The word "cyber" is so 1999. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46184553)

http://www.altslashdot.org/wiki/index.php?title=AltSlashdot

Watched the video (1)

sh00z (206503) | about 6 months ago | (#46185203)

Bonehead reporter couldn't even open the Macbook Air box! It shows him *tearing* one end open like it's a mailer. I would venture to say that every Apple product made in this century has pretty elegant "Frustration Free" (TM-Amazon) packaging. What an idiot.

Yay! Beta moderation at last (0, Offtopic)

hmckee (10407) | about 6 months ago | (#46183361)

I've now got some moderator points to burn. I've checked out the Beta and I agree it's mostly BAD, but it does have a few interesting features. If they can fix the many problems I could deal with it. So, I'll be moderating all posts with constructive criticism. Or not. Who knows.

Re:Yay! Beta moderation at last (2, Insightful)

phantomfive (622387) | about 6 months ago | (#46183589)

but it does have a few interesting features.

Like what?

Re:Yay! Beta moderation at last (1)

Racemaniac (1099281) | about 6 months ago | (#46183791)

"appealing to a wider audience"

Re:Yay! Beta moderation at last (1)

arth1 (260657) | about 6 months ago | (#46184995)

"appealing to a wider audience"

Why would they want to appeal to CowboyNeal? He's busy with his new site!

Re:Yay! Beta moderation at last (2)

hmckee (10407) | about 6 months ago | (#46184171)

How did I get marked as a troll? Probably should have turned off the karma bonus. Oh, well.

The redesign is less cluttered. I like the static (always at the top) header. The comment widget is nice.

I only said there are a few things I like, there's a lot more I don't.

An idea, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46183373)

Why not develop secure systems and applications?

But we can still trust everything else, right? (1)

mc6809e (214243) | about 6 months ago | (#46183383)

I wonder what experts in other areas are complaining about.

It can't be just this one area they get wrong.

Sochi (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46183405)

It's not hard to believe there might be a lot of attacks on wireless devices in Sochi. The place is pretty fucked up. Whether these reporters and their consultants know their ass from a wifi antenna or not.

From a story I've linked below:

Dmitry Kozak, a Russian deputy prime minister in charge of preparations for the Olympics, complained about water being wasted by hotel guests when said; "We have surveillance video from the hotels that shows people turn on the shower, direct the nozzle at the wall and then leave the room for the whole day,"

It didn't occur to Kozak that someone might have a problem [theverge.com] with being surveilled in the shower until after he blurted this interesting bit of knowledge.

You just have to wonder what sort of pay-offs went into this Sochi Olympics deal. Russia is a deeply fucked up place to begin with and Sochi is a special level of fucked up within that.

Re:Sochi (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46183969)

Without ShowerCams, how are they gonna make sure no "illegal gay activities" are taking place?

Re:Sochi (1)

swb (14022) | about 6 months ago | (#46184777)

Didn't the State Department issue some kind of data security warning, too?

Given the shadowy nexus of Russian organized crime and the intelligence services coupled with the security applied against the "terrorist" threat and the the opportunity to eavesdrop on a large amount of visiting dignitaries, it doesn't seem at all surprising that there would be a high threat environment.

I would think that you would expect your data connections to be sniffed at a minimum and probably attempts to intercept SSL which would be largely effective against most ordinary users. Even HTTP proxying and malware injection doesn't seem unlikely.

I'd be less inclined to think that every machine would be subject to full-scale port scans and intrusion attempts, just from a resource perspective.

Re:Sochi (1)

PRMan (959735) | about 6 months ago | (#46185217)

Why do you think they won't give out shower curtains? Because they block the camera of course.

ALSO CONFUSING - BETA (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46183447)

Also very confusing is the existence of Slashbeta. It reflects badly on humans as a species for bringing such garbage into this world.

I'm confident when the sun dies and explodes into super nova whatever the fuck - Humans will look back on their entire history and regret most the creation of Slashbeta.

Nice analogy here! (-1, Troll)

mi (197448) | about 6 months ago | (#46183461)

Engel also reported hackers snooping around a honeypot set up by his security consultant which, as Gartner analyst Paul Proctor also pointed out in a blog posting, is like leaving the honey open and complaining when it attracts flies.

Or like wearing a mini-skirt and complaining, when you get raped...

Re:Nice analogy here! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46184165)

...or like voting for Obama's second term and complaining when you lose your job.

comp.misc on Usenet is the new Slashdot (2, Funny)

RocketRabbit (830691) | about 6 months ago | (#46183487)

Comp.misc on Usenet is the new Slashdot. It is a totally abandoned group, and I have already inaugurated it. Nobody even uses it, so we won't be offending anybody.

Come one come all, join the Slashdot exodus on usenet! Eternal September is a free Usenet provider, and you can read news with Seamonkey, MS Outlook, Opera, Unison (pay product), or the classic Unix programs such as tin, rn, slrn and so forth.

Usenet is free, distributed, uncensored, and allows you to shit-can offensive posters. While it doesn't have moderation per se, the number of replies a topic gets can indicate how interesting the topic is. Additionally, a conversation can go on for months or years (or decades as some have) so you can keep that flamewar going, and with the handy killfile feature you don't have to worry about spamming other people!

Join me there!

Re:comp.misc on Usenet is the new Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46184055)

Usenet was a little bit before my time, so I'm unsure of proper eitquette here—Eternal September wants my real name to rgister an account. On the web you never give out your real name. It it the same on Usenet, or will I be viewed as a troll or coward for hiding behind my email?

Trying to get off on the right foot and all that.

Re:comp.misc on Usenet is the new Slashdot (1)

RocketRabbit (830691) | about 6 months ago | (#46184153)

They collect your real name but you can post under any persona with any email address you choose, valid or not. The real name never makes it off the eternal september servers, I think it is there so they can comply with legal requests and scare off child pornographers.

Confessions Of an Ex-SLASHDOT BETA user (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46183553)

Day 1: It wouldn't stop, the redirecting. At first I thought it was malware. Had my first drink in a long time.

Day 2: Barely had the strength to carry on as the BETA REDIRECTIONS continue.. trying not to talk to hallucinations at the bar and in the bathroom which laugh at me about these redirections.

Day 3: Discovered the BETA redirections were random, and while at first they looked somewhat usable, when I looked at me and my monitor screen in the mirror, a horrible woman with flesh hanging off of her body looked back, trying to lead me into a dance as the word BETA appeared across her rancid breasts.

Day 4: These BETA corridors go on FOREVER! On the plus side, I've taken up disassembling vehicles to corner this BETA beast and sacrifice myself rather than lead others to discovering it. I ate some red snow.

Day 5: Finding it harder to concentrate. I've ate some more of the red snow. The taste is starting to grow on me.

Day 6: This typewriter is the only entertainment I have, apart from throwing things at the walls, trying to get some response from the BETA which is now taking over my mind.

Day 7: Hahahahahha! Would you believe it? I'M STILL BEING REDIRECTED TO SLASHDOT BETA PAGES! AHAHhahahaah! Type, type, ding, ding! Wooo!

Day 8: The hallucinations are actually real! Would you believe it? They have offered to help me if I agree to work for them. I'm thinking about patenting this delicious red snow, the taste is unreal!

Day 9: Having black out sessions where I cannot remember large passings of time. Found some makeup, thought I'd paint a joker smile on my face to amuse the people only I can see!

Day 10: Productive today, part of what I wrote for my new screenplay:

I cannot opt out of Slashdot BETA!
I cannot opt out of Slashdot BETA!
I cannot opt out of Slashdot BETA!
I cannot opt out of Slashdot BETA!
I cannot opt out of Slashdot BETA!
I cannot opt out of Slashdot BETA!
I cannot opt out of Slashdot BETA!
I cannot opt out of Slashdot BETA!
I cannot opt out of Slas

(drops of blood on paper)

Re:Confessions Of an Ex-SLASHDOT BETA user (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46184009)

WHERE can I GET some MORE of this RED SNOW?!?! It's DYNOMITE!

The users have spoken. (0, Offtopic)

Adult film producer (866485) | about 6 months ago | (#46183601)

It's time to renounce slashdot beta and promise it will not be back. No more doublespeak.

not even in Sotchi (2)

tero (39203) | about 6 months ago | (#46183635)

..they were in Moscow..

Funny.. (4, Interesting)

Adult film producer (866485) | about 6 months ago | (#46183637)

How all of the comments about Beta are being moderated to ZERO or worse since that recent story.

Stay strong people... uprate slashbeta comments despite this blatant attack on the userbase.

Re:Funny.. (4, Insightful)

Thanosius (3519547) | about 6 months ago | (#46183953)

Shit, you're right. There's no way the entire Slashdot community has immediately decided to down-mod fuck beta posts so quickly after the official discussion topic.

It's amazing DICE and associated fuckers honestly think we wouldn't notice this. They REALLY think we're dumb fucks.

Re:Funny.. (2)

Anachragnome (1008495) | about 6 months ago | (#46184047)

"Stay strong people..."

Can I be in your next movie? I want to be as FUCKed as BETA. /.

Since I cannot add this much to my signature, and the fact that signature isn't visible unless you are a logged-in user, this will have to do...

US5722418
+
US5644363
+
GoogleGlass
+
Acceptance
=
????

If history is any sort of an indicator, any rights we sell today, our children must buy back with blood tomorrow.

Re:Funny.. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46184633)

The off-topic posts about beta annoyed me before there was a story about them, but I understood their reason. While there's a story on the front page where they're on-topic, I'd like to be able to find the on-topic comments on other stories.

Dice, are you listening? (1, Funny)

Gordo_1 (256312) | about 6 months ago | (#46183699)

What I really want in the new design, is easier access to SlashDataCenter and SlashCareers.... oooooh and SlashBI. I really can't get enough 'Business Intelligence' news formatted as a two paragraph article with a large stock image and zero comments!

Re:Dice, are you listening? (2)

thegarbz (1787294) | about 6 months ago | (#46183937)

Who gets their business intelligence from a site that has managed to set off a new record in pissing off the largest number of people in one go?

Seriously though this has got to be a world record. They say they inflicted 25% of users to this? Well this is a website which cripples servers all over the internet just by linking to them. 25% of that bandwidth is a metric fukton of pissed off users.

Wow, what a circus! (2)

jones_supa (887896) | about 6 months ago | (#46183707)

I don't like the beta either but I didn't expect this kind of chaos to ensue. No proper discussion can be had in any article as they are filled only with beta comments. Interesting situation indeed. I'm grabbing the popcorn.

Re:Wow, what a circus! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46183857)

B=====D ~~ leaky penis wins every time ~~

Re:Wow, what a circus! (1)

thegarbz (1787294) | about 6 months ago | (#46183947)

Did you expect a proper discussion could be had about an article which describes a dumb clueless internet user thinking the entire world is trying to hack him because he doesn't understand how it works?

Re:Wow, what a circus! (1)

PGC (880972) | about 6 months ago | (#46184077)

Not a proper one, but the discussions at Slashdot are usually informative and/or entertaining to read. But back to more important matters: Fuck Beta.

Same everywhere (4, Insightful)

Tom (822) | about 6 months ago | (#46183719)

It's the same everywhere you look. The current state of IT security is horrible, utter and total crap, and the main reason is that most of the people who work in the sector have no clue, starting from journalists like those and consultants and... well... almost everyone else.

The reason is that much like cryptography, real security is hard. It's not something you pick up in a week course when your boss decides someone in the team needs to specialize on security. There are a great number of actual experts and over the years I've had the pleasure of meeting or working with many of them, but it's a small world and the total number of experts available world-wide is far smaller than the demand for manpower in the security "industry".

Plus it's a bikeshed problem [wikipedia.org] . Lots of people know a little bit about security, so focus is given to the parts that people believe they understand, instead of the real problems. When I do consulting (I don't very much, I dislike it, but I occasional take jobs because I enjoy the problem, or the company) my metaphor for that is that in IT security, it is very easy to find someone who will sell and install you a 3-inch solid steel door with military level security locks for your front door, but very difficult to find someone who will walk around the house with you and point out the easily broken windows and the open basement door.

Here's a free business hint: When you hire a security consultant, ask them for a quick suggestion for a password policy. If you get the two decades old "at least x letters, at least 1 special character, at least 1 number", don't hire them. That bullshit was adequate on Multics systems in the 70s. Today, it will weaken your password security if you programmatically enforce it. (and yes, I have the data to back that up, but that's a short presentation and not a comment field).

So yes, these journalists are spreading bullshit. They are like the power users in a company - the nightmare of IT support. They probably know a little about security, just enough to get it wrong.

Re:Same everywhere (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46184367)

It's the same everywhere you look. The current state of IT security is horrible, utter and total crap, and the main reason is that most of the people who work in the sector have no clue, starting from journalists like those and consultants and... well... almost everyone else.

That explains olives and feta

Re:Same everywhere (2)

magamiako1 (1026318) | about 6 months ago | (#46184851)

I disagree with you on the "most people who work in the sector have no clue" statement. People have long known about IT security issues. It's not like things like "sub7", "winnuke", "nimda", "code red", etc. weren't issues.

We've long known about NTLMv1 issues and it was strongly recommended as a hardening practice as early as 2001/2002 when Microsoft implemented it.

The issue has never been "nobody having a clue", but more like, "Management not giving a shit". Yes, the state of information security is atrocious. But that doesn't stem from the IT guy so much as it comes from having to approach management, "Hey; we need to upgrade to this system to improve our security and reduce our risk."

Blame IT for not being able to put it well, or blame them for not being able to play the social game well enough to get the boss to want to listen to them over their friends. But in some cases, you really don't have much leg to stand on. Even if you were logically correct, even if you were on the boss' good side; the reality is the guy who says "NO DON'T UPGRADE JUST STICK WITH WHAT YOU GOT AND THROW THIS LITTLE BOX IN FRONT OF EVERYTHING!" is going to win--all of the time, for the simple fact that he appeals to the boss' wallet.

Telling business leaders they need to not only spend money in IT, but spend it repeatedly and regularly, is something that is almost never going to go over well. And it's something that's needed to keep up. The "bar" itself is constantly moving.

Re:Same everywhere (2)

aaarrrgggh (9205) | about 6 months ago | (#46185551)

A very low percentage of IT people understand security issues to a sufficient degree to be able to act on them in the abstract. Talking to the director of IT at a very large defense contractor a few years back about a new proposed SCADA network, I showed him the plan for our isolated network, and the proxy/firewall connection to his corporate network, and asked him how they wanted to treat it. He was prompt to ask who needed access, how much throughput would it need, and if we needed more than one IP address.

I then went into my laundry list of bigger issues, so he suggested they just get a dedicated DSL line for it so it didn't need to be connected to the corporate network, and just make the SCADA vendor responsible for security!

People want to put security issues into buckets. The problem is that issues today are substantially more complicated than that.

Just look at slashdot beta... That is what "news for nerds" is trying to be now. Lowest common denominator only, please.

phone av? (1)

Necroloth (1512791) | about 6 months ago | (#46183799)

there's antivirus software for phones?! I've never seen anyone use such a thing or hear it advertised. Perhaps it's because I'm safe... I use a Blackberry Z10...

Welcome to our world (5, Informative)

Lord Kano (13027) | about 6 months ago | (#46183877)

You know that angry "What the fuck?" bubbling up in the back of your mind?

That's how gun enthusiasts feel when news people start making nonsensical claims about guns.

When some dumb ass says "military style" or "assault magazine clip" or someone ridiculous nonsense, we feel the way you do watching this story.

LK

The Mass Migration Has BEGUN! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46183901)

See you on the other sites!

Re:The Mass Migration Has BEGUN! (1)

Notlupus (1893060) | about 6 months ago | (#46184313)

Flappy butts

Privacy vs. Shows (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46184063)

What worries people is their pathetic privacy. But what really matters is if the professional behind the scenes are prepared and competent to achieve their duty. So, what is this duty about security? Enjoy the pleasure of looking others necessity, or focus on what matters, which is keep the system on pace so everybody into it can achieve their duties also?

you FAIL It (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46184105)

and its 4long term schemes. Frankly

So the reporter is a moron (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46184237)

So its okay for the US spying agencies, to get away with this of years and NBC [the media/press] didn't care [and I'm sure the US spying agencies made there collecting of data look like hackers] now this shit stain is shocked to find out the Russian Government does the same?

Great work!!!! Ohhh boy I'm I relieved..

Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46184413)

FUCK THE BETA!

All the Slashbeta comments moderated to -1 (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46184555)

Fuck you DICE, fuck YOU VERY MUCH!

And fuck Slashdot Beta!

FUCK BETA (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46184645)

Fuck beta.

IRL DDOS DICE 888-321-DICE (3423) (1)

Halapchik (2217994) | about 6 months ago | (#46184817)

So since the Dice corporate overlords seem to be oblivious to the desires of the "audience", and seem to only care about the $$, it would follow that the way to get the attention of said corporate overlords is to impact their business at Dice.com. I propose an IRL DDOS of their phone lines. Emails can be deleted by the million, but phone calls on the other hand take up valuable time from their limited support staff. Please feel free to contact Dice support and keep their reps on the line for a few minutes. Talk POLITELY (hey they work for a living too) about how their bosses own a website called Slashdot which is an integral institution of the internets, and how Dice is destroying it.

Even if only 10% of us make one phone call once a day, thats over 40,000 phone calls. Once their customer service department becomes too overwhelmed by calls to function, and if we can make it persist for a few days, you can bet that the higher ups will take notice.

Here is their customer service line: 888-321-DICE (3423)

If you have more phone numbers for Dice, please post them as well.

Oh ya, BETA can suck an unwashed shit covered cock after an all night ass rape orgy.

lolol (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46185223)

this website is uglier than the backside of a refrigerator!

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