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Quarks Know Their Left From Their Right

samzenpus posted about 9 months ago | from the spinning-away dept.

Science 150

sciencehabit writes "How an electron interacts with other matter depends on which way it's spinning as it zips along—to the right like a football thrown by a right-handed quarterback or the left like a pigskin thrown by a lefty. Now, physicists have confirmed that quarks—the particles that join in trios to form the protons and neutrons in atomic nuclei—exhibit the same asymmetry. The result could give physics a new weapon in the grand hunt for new particles and forces. Or they can search for subtle hints of exotic new things beyond their tried-and-true standard model by studying familiar particles in great detail. In the latter approach, the new experiment gives physicists a way to probe for certain kinds of new forces."

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We are not an audience (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46183709)

I've got to say that the initial post on this topic perpetuates one of the paradigms that is sticking in the craws of Slashdot users. We are not an audience. We might be users, we might be members, we most certainly are contributors. But we are not an audience.

If you persist in thinking of us that way, then you're going to get it wrong. You serve an audience differently than you serve contributing members of a community. Most of the complaints hinge on that difference.

If we were an audience, we'd be coming here for the articles. Most of the complaints are about the comment system, how difficult it is to follow a conversation, how difficult it is leave a comment, etc. I come here, most of us come here, to read what my/our fellow slashdotters have to say. The value here is the community, and the most important contributors are other members, not the site or the editors.

If you don't get that straight, then you aren't going to "get" why we're upset, so there's no chance that you'll deliver us something that we can live with. And that community is going to vanish, leaving you with nothing of value.

You can take suggestions and maybe reduce the implosion, but unless you understand *why* we're upset, you're going to be heading in fundamentally the wrong direction.

Re:We are not an audience (0, Troll)

Thanshin (1188877) | about 9 months ago | (#46183723)

tl;dr: Fuck beta.

(This is an informative post for those who don't know about the current trend. Someone might stumble upon that lone post in this article and think "Holy fuck! Either I'm getting very old or the frosty piss trolls have gotten amazingly sophisticated.")

Thanks Obama... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184189)

"If you like Slashdot classic, you can keep Slashdot classic. Period"

Re:Thanks Obama... (-1, Troll)

Thanshin (1188877) | about 9 months ago | (#46185229)

That, is a lie. Go read the fucking statement again.

And you're the kind of stupid that cause those lies to spread.

Re:Thanks Obama... (1)

Oligonicella (659917) | about 9 months ago | (#46185423)

His "quotes" indicated sarcasm.

Yes, we are (1)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about 9 months ago | (#46185025)

Yes, you are, or at least most people viewing slashdot are (some are contributors). If slashdot is serving up media to its viewers, the viewers of that media would be consumers, just like at the theater. However, being a consumer has an implicit financial aspect and people view slashdot without paying for it. As such, we aren't consumers but instead we are simply viewers and viewers of a media production are called the audience.

Slashdot refines it even further. The media being presented is news and the target audience for that news is nerds. Some may say that we can't be an audience because we can interact by leaving posts and the like. But, there is nothing inherent in being an audience that prohibits interaction. Just because on the Price is Right some people get to participate in the show directly, doesn't mean those watching in the studio aren't the audience. Likewise, writing a letter to the editor in the local paper, does not change one's relationship with the paper. You don't suddenly become a freelance reporter.

So, like it or not, the viewers of slashdot are an audience, some of them targeted and others not, but all are still the audience for the production called slashdot.

Re:Yes, we are (1)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about 9 months ago | (#46185057)

Oops, meant to respond to the post further up. My mistake.

Re:We are not an audience (-1, Flamebait)

Misanthrope (49269) | about 9 months ago | (#46183839)

I for one don't welcome out robotic beta overlords
In Soviet Russia users ignore corporate feedback
Hot grits, petrified Natalie Portman, Cowboy Neal.
Goatse is better than Beta.

You're planning on ruining the one good discussion site on the internet. fuck beta.

Re:We are not an audience (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184211)

SLASHDOT BETA LOOKS WORSE THAN GOATSE MAN.

Why can't we talk more about eating hot grits out of Natalie Portman's butt crack?

Re:We are not an audience (-1, Flamebait)

water-and-sewer (612923) | about 9 months ago | (#46184399)

You're also ruining the one good thing about this site: the discussion system and the comments of the people who use and like it.

Ever heard the story about killing the golden goose?

Uck-Fay Eta-Bay. Let's see what your corporate statement over at slashdotmedia.com has to say when your page views drop to single digits. I for one won't be visiting.

Going to be a quiet week, Timothy. Use that silence to reflect deeply on the asshatted-decision that led you to this situation.

Don't have any points to moderate you up... (1)

pacov (512801) | about 9 months ago | (#46184575)

and I was so sure that there wasn't anything worse in life than getting duped into clicking a goatse link!

Beta Boycott '14

Re:We are not an audience (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184787)

I think you forgot "Burma Shave" at the end.

Goatse (1)

Errol backfiring (1280012) | about 9 months ago | (#46185251)

Goatse is better than Beta.

Please don't give them any ideas! It's bad enough already.

Re:We are not an audience (5, Insightful)

Janek Kozicki (722688) | about 9 months ago | (#46183897)

and we want UTF-8 + MATHJAX support [stackoverflow.com] - the math rendering engine that is used by http://math.stackexchange.com/ [stackexchange.com]

MATHJAX !! + UTF-8 !!

Re:We are not an audience (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184801)

and SSL. And at least read access through Tor.

Censorship (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46183927)

Does anybody remember how Slashdot never used to delete posts? Then they were forced into it by the Scientology thing. Well, that has changed.

Stories submitted to the Slashdot firehose that take a negative view on the site's redesign are being deleted. 4 hours ago, it was full of anti-beta posts. Now they are gone. That's right. A forum that usually leaves V14GRA spam in place for posterity is deleting user content.

Then there is this [slashdot.org] comment. It was the first post on the Beta discussion thread. As such, most of the best comments are attached to it. Then, in five minutes, it went from +5 to -1 flamebait and, get this, was reordered to the bottom of the thread!

Dice PR is now a valid reason for Slashdot to delete user content. Awesome!

Oh, they put it back (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184243)

The referenced post is back at its starting position. Good job, douchbags. What else are you censoring that nobody noticed yet?

Re:Censorship (5, Informative)

Soulskill (1459) | about 9 months ago | (#46184737)

We've deleted nothing, as the vast sea of comments complaining about the beta in every story should attest to. All submissions are still around, too, though they eventually drop out of the firehose like any other submission does. If you want a simple test, bookmark the URL whenever you submit something.

I suppose it wouldn't be a redesign without conspiracy theories, though.

Given the way you guys are downmodding (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184813)

Given the way you guys are going back to yesterday's threads and downmodding all the posts about Beta wholesale after you know that other mods won't see them to push them back up again, you will forgive me for not giving your voice credibility.

Honestly, Soulskill, I don't want to be an ass to you. I understand that you have a job to do and bills to pay and that you have to push the corporate message. I also understand that you, personally, probably know what is wrong with Beta... you've been around longer than most of us, after all. You mentioned earlier that you were not involved in the design process and that you basically have no decision making power. This is the biggest failure of all: the one employee (ok, one of three employees) who have a real stake in and understanding of Slashdot are not being leveraged by Dice to ensure its future.

So, I am sure you understand us better than anyone. Soldier on, kind admin.

Re:Given the way you guys are downmodding (5, Informative)

Soulskill (1459) | about 9 months ago | (#46184917)

Given the way you guys are going back to yesterday's threads and downmodding all the posts about Beta wholesale after you know that other mods won't see them to push them back up again, you will forgive me for not giving your voice credibility.

Fortunately, you don't have to rely on credibility. Here's a story more than a day old [slashdot.org] . About 15% of the comments are rated 4 or 5, which is a pretty typical percentage, and all of them are complaining about the beta. It's like that in a lot of stories. As for submissions -- well, they pass through the firehose like everything else, and why you don't ever see submissions from a week ago sticking around in it. That's why it's called the firehose.

Re:Censorship (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184823)

What the hell - you're actually still calling this a redesign?

How? How could you possibly even think that - how could that even be in your mind at this point?

It's not a redesign - it's a deconstruction, a demolition, a long and soundly rejected betrayal of all your users desires.

It's the Ultima IX of websites.

It's cursed by such a fetid stink that you couldn't possibly be imagining to continue with THIS beta as a base for anything that would ever be accepted as a usable end product. Could you? How could you? Really - that would be just unreal.

Like any prototype, you've got to learn when you've failed - when you've got to drop a dead-end design, and embrace the better promise of the fresh drawing board.

It's far FAR cheaper than trying to push this dung-ball up an infinite hill.

Re:Censorship (4, Funny)

Bengie (1121981) | about 9 months ago | (#46184935)

We've deleted nothing, as the vast sea of comments complaining about the beta in every story should attest to. All submissions are still around, too, though they eventually drop out of the firehose like any other submission does. If you want a simple test, bookmark the URL whenever you submit something.

I suppose it wouldn't be a redesign without conspiracy theories, though.

Your facts will never persuade us!

Re:Censorship (1)

KriticKill99 (3529069) | about 9 months ago | (#46184937)

I've made a fairly recent return to this site after being gone for many years, and I have to say I'm still not impressed. The act hasn't gotten any better and although I'm still reading comments not to many people seem to like/be interested in this beta. I'm not an active community member, I only made this account to post this, but you should probably listen to what your community members want, lest you lose the one's that you have left. Many, many corporations, groups, organizations etc. have put their ideas first over the input of their users and paid a price for it, so this beta thing should probably be dropped. That said, I really don't know how this site manages to keep going. I come here partly out of nostalgia from when I used to come here daily to read, and partly to look for news I might have missed on Ars or Reddit. I generally read comments, though I really don't post. Years ago as a posting member, I wrote something that offended some uber neckbeard among your readership, who then trolled me through every comment on every article I made. As I looked for moderation or someone to fix the troll, found none. I got no response and no help with my troll. So I quit /. and found other (read better) sources for my tech news and tech related news. I don't expect that the problem has been fixxed, hell you don't even have a report button to give the appearance of giving a shit, and come beta if it is indeed bad I will probably quit this site again until I feel nostalgic enough to return or until the site finally goes belly up as it should have long ago. There are other issues to be had as well. The accuracy and legitimacy of the articles posted should always be checked by the reader, something I would not expect since the articles themselves are picked by moderators from a pool of submissions. If your going to pick and choose what articles go up, make sure they are legitimate. I've also run into a couple editorials posing as articles, by a gentleman (read windbag asshole) by the name of Bennett. Is he someone's cousin, or friend, or butt buddy or something? Cause after skimming through one of his crappy editorials, and then the comments after him, no one seems to find much value to this guy, but he also seems to keep getting articles posted. Thats bad form for a discussion forum. In general I find /. to be rife with moderator apathy and abuses. None of this is taking into account the more dated structure and somewhat feature lacking nature of the site. Perhaps if beta improves the site functionality, like dropping the difficult to follow threaded conversation model or adding that report button (and doing something with it) it might be improvement. I have a feeling its just going to cram more ads onto the screen though, or something equally asinine.

Re:We are not an audience (1)

Racemaniac (1099281) | about 9 months ago | (#46184019)

but how else will people come to this site if we don't explain spinning quarks via (american)football (aka handegg) metaphors?

and of course this needs to become a site for the wider audience, it's a wide open market, noone else is doing it, they'll corner the market in no time, while keeping all the technical users currently making this site a reasonable success :).

it's the best marketing strategy since new coke!

Re:We are not an audience (4, Funny)

Alioth (221270) | about 9 months ago | (#46184113)

An American football isn't egg shaped, so it won't be handegg. The correct term would be hand prolate spheroid.

HTH, HAND.

MOD PARENT UP (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184247)

+1 pedantic nerd

The very best kind.

But seriously, +1 informative. Might as well blow a *few* positive modpoints on non-FUCK B3ta posts

Re:We are not an audience (2)

Convector (897502) | about 9 months ago | (#46185189)

A prolate spheroid doesn't taper to points on the end. You'd need an infinite series of spherical harmonics to describe an American football, not just the degree-2 term. Though it's sufficiently elongated that spherical harmonics might not be the best basis set. Bessel functions?

Re:We are not an audience (4, Informative)

gshegosh (1587463) | about 9 months ago | (#46184451)

How ironic that the quote at the bottom of Slashdot says now

Build a system that even a fool can use and only a fool will want to use it.

Re:We are not an audience (1)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | about 9 months ago | (#46185091)

It's not handegg metaphors that will get you a wider audience, it's car metaphors. It's like when your fourth and long, deep in your own territory with a manual transmission and you don't know how to drive with a stick shift. See?

Thank you re: first post (1)

basecastula (2556196) | about 9 months ago | (#46184043)

Thank you.

Rather bizarre... (1)

Relyx (52619) | about 9 months ago | (#46184491)

Hang on, what?

That's a rather random post on an article about quarks...

I really like the new Slashdot. It's 2014 after all - the site has to keep up with modern technology. Classic Slashdot was starting to look rather long in the tooth.

Yes we are (1)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about 9 months ago | (#46185045)

Yes, you are, or at least most people viewing slashdot are. Some people are contributors, those who post the articles, but the vast majority are viewers, even if they post comments.

If slashdot is serving up media to its viewers, the viewers of that media would be consumers, just like at the theater. However, being a consumer has an implicit financial aspect and people view slashdot without paying for it. As such, we aren't consumers but instead we are simply viewers and viewers of a media production are called the audience.

Slashdot refines it even further. The media being presented is news and the target audience for that news is nerds. Some may say that we can't be an audience because we can interact by leaving posts and the like. But, there is nothing inherent in being an audience that prohibits interaction. Just because on the Price is Right some people get to participate in the show directly, doesn't mean those watching in the studio aren't the audience. Likewise, writing a letter to the editor in the local paper, does not change one's relationship with the paper. You don't suddenly become a freelance reporter. You can right a letter to the editor every day and you would not be considered a contributor in that realm, but you would still be a subscriber (viewers of slashdot are not subscribers, because that implies something you ordered, being delivered to you).

So, like it or not, the viewers of slashdot are an audience, some of them targeted and others not, but all are still the audience for the production called slashdot.

Re:We are not an audience (1)

meta-monkey (321000) | about 9 months ago | (#46185567)

Agreed. The stories on Slashdot I generally saw the day before on Reddit or elsewhere. But I come to Slashdot for the discussion, because this is the place where I find the most knowledgeable posters. If I can't read the comments and participate in the discussion, what the fuck is the point? To read three-day-old stories? Meh.

So... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46183727)

Quarks are smarter than many females...

Re:So... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46183745)

Quarks are smarter than many females...

:)

Quarks also know a good website from a shitty beta (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46183729)

Um, Fuck Beta? Are we still doing that?

Re:Quarks also know a good website from a shitty b (0, Troll)

j_presper_eckert (617907) | about 9 months ago | (#46183793)

Yes and no -- I've heard that "fuck the beta" is now "olives and feta". Tryin' ta be a wee bit classier with our needlessly-provoked volcanic rage and contempt, by dressing it up in some Cockney rhyming slang. (Not my idea, but I saw it and liked it.)

Re:Quarks also know a good website from a shitty b (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184233)

I will not fall for your tricks, Timothy!

FUCK BETA! BETA SUCKS!

Natalie Portman's butthole smells like a lady's butthole.

Re:Quarks also know a good website from a shitty b (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184465)

To nitpick: Cockney rhyming slang does not rhyme with the obscured word. "Fuck the olives" would be more in the spirit of it, or "Donald the olives."

Plop (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46183875)

The most annoying thing about beta is the horde of brainless morons polluting the comments.

Re:Plop (1)

PGC (880972) | about 9 months ago | (#46183929)

Like the posts from ACs as yourself.

Re:Quarks also know a good website from a shitty b (0)

PGC (880972) | about 9 months ago | (#46183903)

Yes, We are. However, strangely all posts regarding Fuck Beta are modded down...

Re:Quarks also know a good website from a shitty b (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184323)

Yes, We are. However, strangely all posts regarding Fuck Beta are modded down...

Of course, other than in the appropriate story, that could be from people like me. I modded a couple as 'offtopic' on stories that had nothing to do with it because THEY ARE OFF TOPIC.

On the story regarding the beta though, I modded a couple up because they were insightful (and I agree completely, the beta in its current form completely sucks and probably can not be salvaged... if they're intent on a redesign, they probably need to start from scratch).

Re:Quarks also know a good website from a shitty b (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46185261)

Strangely? They're getting spammier than MyCleanPC or APK's HOSTS File Solution.

let's talk about b3ta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46183771)

I wonder if they are censoring variations of the word too.

Re:let's talk about b3ta (1)

PGC (880972) | about 9 months ago | (#46183931)

Apparently they are. Then in plain english: Fuck Beta.

Quarks also know... (-1, Flamebait)

luckymutt (996573) | about 9 months ago | (#46183779)

...the difference between good design and Beta.

the phrase "FUCK BETA" will forever be echoed across the internet to express displeasure in unnecessary, crap changes to useful, working systems.

Here are a few things that are crap about Beta:
During the day at work I access /. on my phone. Even though I tell my browser to report as desktop, not all the page content is getting through (apparently.) So, I cannot scroll to the bottom and click on "Classic Slashdot" because it isn't there (on my Android.)
I can't log in. Seriously, I click the menu icon at the upper left, it expands to show the link to Sign In. I click it, and all it does is re-load the current page.

Besides that, it is a design nightmare. It looks like a Fischer Price toy. I presume you are trying to be trending looking, following social media sites' design to try and attract new users? I dunno, that doesn't make sense, either...I'm just guessing here.
The point is, stop trying to look trendy-minimalist. It hurts the eyes (especially on a mobile device,) and you've lost functionality. And you are also at risk of losing your user base.

I promise you this, though: regardless of what happens - Beta goes forward or it is Killed off, the phrase "FUCK BETA" will forever be echoed across the internet to express displeasure in unnecessary, crap changes to useful, working systems.

Re:Quarks also know... (1)

holyjoly (1120865) | about 9 months ago | (#46184263)

Slashdot quote of the day : "Build a system that even a fool can use and only a fool will want to use it."

The Baby and the Bathwater (1)

jomama717 (779243) | about 9 months ago | (#46185299)

I can't think of a better idiom to describe what all of you assholes are doing with this Fuck Beta business. Even if you get what you want, something that has changed from "guaranteed access to 'classic'" (even though it's not *really* classic) to "oh yeah, and not just classic, classic with X, Y and Z!!" at this point the site will be ruined because you pimply little fucks have latched onto some kind of mob mentality and will not quit.

The new shit is buggy and is missing features, they've said they'll handle it, let them. Very depressing to see that the general sorry state of discourse in this country has spread now to this site. Fuck the unreasonable vocal minority. I miss the site, quit holding it hostage.

Beta Quarks (2)

SillyPerson (920121) | about 9 months ago | (#46183787)

I am actually quite upset by the recent developments. The "Audience" article clearly showed that the current Slashdot management has nothing to offer but meaningless marketing speak. I, for once will join the Slashcott next week.

Fuck Beta

Better to protest (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46183815)

Honestly, it is better to keep protesting. Keep the lurkers away to drive their stats down. That is likely the only metric that Dice understands.

The Fine Print doesn't cover Beta (1)

Svartormr (692822) | about 9 months ago | (#46183789)

The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way.

But your Beta abomination is the cause of most of the comments now. >:(

the thing about quarks is (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46183797)

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/257866/keyboard-smash-o.gif

Waiting for the fuck beta faggots to show up. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46183801)

Oh, here they are.

Re:Waiting for the fuck beta faggots to show up. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46183835)

You having fun with your new toy, the mirror?

Re:Waiting for the fuck beta faggots to show up. (1)

PGC (880972) | about 9 months ago | (#46183915)

Interesting how 90& of all FB-haters are ACs ....

Re:Waiting for the fuck beta faggots to show up. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184083)

We have to be in order produce this much noise from functional standpoint and IP blocking.

Re:Waiting for the fuck beta faggots to show up. (2)

DrJimbo (594231) | about 9 months ago | (#46184085)

Interesting how 90& of all FB-haters are ACs ...

That is probably associated with the fact that 25% of them are forced to use it [slashdot.org] :

Right now, we're directing 25 percent of non-logged-in users to the beta; it's a significant number, but it's the best way for us to test drive this new design.

Given how obviously horrible the beta design is, this sentiment on the best way to test drive it is quite galling. OTOH, I am thankful they are not responsible for design airplanes or automobiles:

Yes, for the first test-flight we have filled 25% of the new plane with unsuspecting passengers but this is the best way for us to test drive our new design.

It has occured to me that maybe they trying to alienate the slashdot community

Re:Waiting for the fuck beta faggots to show up. (1)

PGC (880972) | about 9 months ago | (#46184095)

I am misunderstood. When I mentioned FB-haters, I meant the one who hate FB-posters. My apologies for the confusion. NB: Fuck Beta

Signatures not visible unless logged in? (1)

Anachragnome (1008495) | about 9 months ago | (#46183845)

Title says it all. Is this recent?

I kinda feel I've been told to shut up. :(

Re:Signatures not visible unless logged in? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46183889)

Shut up. Shut your whore mouth.

Re:Signatures not visible unless logged in? (1)

TapeCutter (624760) | about 9 months ago | (#46183895)

Let me guess your occupation - Apple Genius?

Re:Signatures not visible unless logged in? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184261)

Joke's on you, buddy, I'm unemployed. #fuckbeta

Re:Signatures not visible unless logged in? (1)

PGC (880972) | about 9 months ago | (#46183949)

You are only allowed to voice your opinion in the appropriate channels so it can conveniently be redirected to /dev/null. Also: Fuck Beta.

Re:Signatures not visible unless logged in? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184955)

No, this is not recent. I've been on this site nearly a decade, but never registered an account.
I've never seen a sig.

Nothing new here? (4, Informative)

PiMuNu (865592) | about 9 months ago | (#46183887)

Back to the article... Parity violation has been known in quarks for many many years - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K... [wikipedia.org] (hint: CP violation means charge-parity violation, which is a special case of Parity violation)

Re:Nothing new here? (1)

MouseTheLuckyDog (2752443) | about 9 months ago | (#46183911)

Yes I was wondering about that.

On soviet Slashdot... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46183907)

beta fucks you!

Looking for a good usenet newsreader. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46183913)

Suggestions for an all purpose usenet newsreader?

New user (serious question!) unfamiliar with the territory.

While I got your attention, where might I find the new slashdot, or it's usenet facsimile?

CAPTCHA: fumbled

Re:Looking for a good usenet newsreader. (1)

PGC (880972) | about 9 months ago | (#46183975)

Indeed, where can we find the new /. ?

Re:Looking for a good usenet newsreader. (1)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | about 9 months ago | (#46184125)

http://pullup.herokuapp.com/ [herokuapp.com]

It is by pull request only, so you have to be able to program Node.js in order to become a user.

No discussions yet, only user submitted links.

Re:Looking for a good usenet newsreader. (1)

water-and-sewer (612923) | about 9 months ago | (#46184439)

Thunderbird is a good cross-platform solution, though its competences are basic by the standards of people who love Usenet. But it's easy to get for Mac, Windows, Linux, FreeBSD, etc.

On the Mac, though you have to pay for it, there's Unison, which is nice. Otherwise you can google MT-Newsreader or Pineapple Newsreader, both of which have been updated from the old Mac OS9 days and are useful and good software.

There are a ton of newsreaders for Windows. A lot of people like Gravity or Forte, but I'm not on Windows so don't use either. At work, where I am not allowed to install software on my Windows box I use Sylpheed from a pendrive, and you can get it at pendriveapps.com

Finally, Usenet on a smartphone or tablet is awesome! If you have an Android phone, check out Phonews or NNTP Newsreader, both of which have free and paid versions. It's the number one thing I do with my smartphone. And on the Ipad there's Newstap, which provides a better UI but which I find a bit slow if you have a long list of groups that you read.

See you on comp.misc at Usenet.

If you need a newsgroup/usenet provider I recommend newsgroupreviews.com. It's a site that takes advertising but it's run by guys who love Usenet. I personally pay for a provider, as it's better quality. I got a great deal at Blocknews. Individual.net is better quality because they keep it spam-free, but they don't carry all the groups, and comp.misc is one they don't carry. There are free providers out there, but I find they are often choked with spam and occasionally drop posts. That was the case for AIOE a while ago. Albasani.net is better, and eternal-september is also good.

Quarks beta nigger (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46183939)

Poops nigger Beta ruin quarks and sucks dick fuck beta nigger. Too sad miss old /. :( :( :( :(

Slashdot Betas Know Their Left From Their Right ? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46183963)

BUCK FETA !

Re:Slashdot Betas Know Their Left From Their Right (1)

xushi (740195) | about 9 months ago | (#46183995)

LOL I wish I can mod you up :)

Olives and quark? (1)

fleeped (1945926) | about 9 months ago | (#46183991)

hmm I'd rather have olives and feta, the one true taste combo.

Re:Olives and quark? (1)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | about 9 months ago | (#46184139)

I was never a DS9 fan. All that benjamin messiah nonsense...

Thank you for explaining left and right to me(!) (4, Interesting)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 9 months ago | (#46184041)

to the right like a football thrown by a right-handed quarterback or the left like a pigskin thrown by a lefty.

Oh, thanks, I was having such trouble working out what you meant by "left" and "right." And thanks for confusing some of your non-American readers with your references to footballs that you throw (what's that about?), and then referring to them almost immediately afterwards as "pigskins" instead.

Of course it's a terrible analogy anyway, since particle spin is only loosely analogous to every-day spin.

If it was that kind of spin, wouldn't "clockwise" and "anti-clockwise" be better words for it anyway? "Left" and "right" need a decision on which point you're looking at as well as direction.

Does it all come from electrons spiralling left or right in the old particle accelerators?

Re:Thank you for explaining left and right to me(! (2)

PGC (880972) | about 9 months ago | (#46184185)

I also have no idea how football will rotate when it is thrown by an right-handed quarterback .... footballs are meant to be kicked, hence the name. I have no idea how the addition of a quarterback will make me understand "rotates to the right" better. Clockwise and counterclockwise are just like right and left, relative to your point of view. Perhaps orientation quaternions would have been better. Ps: Fuck Beta

Re:Thank you for explaining left and right to me(! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184763)

Clockwise or anti-clockwise depends on your direction of travel - if you're behind a clock, you see the hands moving the other way around. Left/right refers to the direction your fingers curl when you do a thumbs up - the thumb is the direction of travel, while the direction the fingers curl gives you the rotation. Left/right-handed is the usual terminology.

Re:Thank you for explaining left and right to me(! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46185277)

All quarks spin counter clockwise, you're just looking at it from the wrong perspective ;)

Seriously this article is a disservice to science.

#fuckbeta

FUCKBETA (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184101)

FUCKBETA

FUCKBETA1 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184111)

FUCKBETA1

Fuck Beta (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184127)

Fuck Beta. Classic or bust, Dice.

FUCKBETA2 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184149)

FUCKBETA2 FUCKBETA1 FUCKBETA

Spin is not rotation!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184583)

First of all fuck beta.

The description of the electron spinning left or right is completely wrong. Spin is an intrinsic property of the electron and it has nothing to do with it spinning left or right.
Spin relates to its angular momentum but there is no rotation. And electrons are not "balls". Period.

And don't forget to boycott Slashdot 10-17th Feb.

FUCK BETA!!!

parity violations (4, Interesting)

Iamthecheese (1264298) | about 9 months ago | (#46184647)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaon#CP_violation_in_neutral_meson_oscillations [wikipedia.org]

Wikipedia has this to say: Since neutral kaons carry strangeness, they cannot be their own antiparticles. Which, to me, may as well me an incantation to be mumbled over three skulls and a chicken. What real-world thing can be made with this knowledge?

[FUCK BETA] BOYCOTT QUARKS (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184699)

Instead of coming to Slashbeta, this "audience" is going to a fucking quark from 10 to 17, and will balance it for the sake of sending a big FUCK BETA to you.

FUCK BETA

FTSB (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184715)

no text

Fuck Beta now = Slashdot in Google (0)

asifyoucare (302582) | about 9 months ago | (#46184793)

It took a day or two, but now when I google "fuck beta" all the top results are from slashdot. Yay.

Re:Fuck Beta now = Slashdot in Google (4, Insightful)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about 9 months ago | (#46184959)

It took a day or two, but now when I google "fuck beta" all the top results are from slashdot. Yay.

Yeah, we should be proud of that. Now slashdot has already been added to most filters, reducing access to millions of people, because of the potty mouth nerds who couldn't find a better way to articulate their frustration.

Re:Fuck Beta now = Slashdot in Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46185095)

Google has likely trapped you inside a filter-bubble [wikipedia.org] .
Startpage.com (which serves Google-results) shows no slashdot (so far). Not even when including Adult results.

The best way to escape your filter-bubble is to simply stop using G.

Re:Fuck Beta now = Slashdot in Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46185591)

When beta rolled out in Oct, people expressed their opinion without the potty mouthiness. It didn't work. I think the Google filter is a GREAT by-product of using profanity because one feels helpless. This will hit Dice where it hurts... "audience" count. People leaving and nobody coming in means less revenue. This is the ONLY thing they care about.

-Audience Member

Re:Fuck Beta now = Slashdot in Google (1)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | about 9 months ago | (#46185165)

It took a day or two, but now when I google "fuck beta" all the top results are from slashdot. Yay.

I wouldn't be surprised if that works the other way around, too.

Fuck Slashdot Beta (1)

ShaunC (203807) | about 9 months ago | (#46184863)

Give me Classic (permanently) or give me death!

Spin (1)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about 9 months ago | (#46184945)

If the spin of the particle (electron in the summary) is germaine to the observed properties of the particle does that mean there are two different particles involved. For instance if a left spinning quark or electron interacts this way and a right spinning quark or electron interacts that way, are there two different types of quarks or electrons involved.

Until now, there have been neutrons, protons and electrons. However, does this really mean there are six atomic particles instead of three?

Americans don't even get where they went wrong (1)

Dunbal (464142) | about 9 months ago | (#46185105)

Like a football thrown...

Don't you get it? Even now don't you get it?

Where is the story? (1)

aaaaaaargh! (1150173) | about 9 months ago | (#46185181)

I can't read it, because when Beta smears all over my screen I have to close my eyes :(

The future of Slashdot (1)

tist (1086039) | about 9 months ago | (#46185341)

Horrible article (1)

Lawrence_Bird (67278) | about 9 months ago | (#46185513)

Besides leaving out that the uncertainty in the reported measurements is still very large, this article is about as poorly written as possible.

But what about the quarks? Like electrons, they can spin one way or the other as they zip around inside protons and neutrons.

Electrons do not "spin" like footballs and quarks do not go zippity doo da.

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