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Australia's Bureau of Meteorology Dumps Water Data Project

samzenpus posted about 9 months ago | from the that-wasn't-the-plan dept.

Australia 112

littlekorea writes "Australia's weather bureau has racked up bills of $38 million for a water data system, based on Red Hat Linux, MySQL and Java, that was originally scheduled to cost somewhere between $2 million and $5 million. The Bureau's supplier, an ASX-listed IT services provider SMS Management and Technology, did a good job of embedding itself in the bureau, with all changes having to be made by the original consultant that built it."

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We are not an audience (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184283)

I've got to say that the initial post on this topic perpetuates one of the paradigms that is sticking in the craws of Slashdot users. We are not an audience. We might be users, we might be members, we most certainly are contributors. But we are not an audience.

If you persist in thinking of us that way, then you're going to get it wrong. You serve an audience differently than you serve contributing members of a community. Most of the complaints hinge on that difference.

If we were an audience, we'd be coming here for the articles. Most of the complaints are about the comment system, how difficult it is to follow a conversation, how difficult it is leave a comment, etc. I come here, most of us come here, to read what my/our fellow slashdotters have to say. The value here is the community, and the most important contributors are other members, not the site or the editors.

If you don't get that straight, then you aren't going to "get" why we're upset, so there's no chance that you'll deliver us something that we can live with. And that community is going to vanish, leaving you with nothing of value.

You can take suggestions and maybe reduce the implosion, but unless you understand *why* we're upset, you're going to be heading in fundamentally the wrong direction.

Re:We are not an audience (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184303)

Whats the matter with all this crap about the beta site visible in every fu... fine topic ? :-(

Either some people do not know how to behave, or this site has a major failure.

Re:We are not an audience (0, Offtopic)

PGC (880972) | about 9 months ago | (#46184361)

Must be something wrong with the comments system, `cause I could swear I had replied to this... Once more then: See http://meta.slashdot.org/story... [slashdot.org] .

Re:We are not an audience (4, Informative)

Joce640k (829181) | about 9 months ago | (#46184463)

Either some people do not know how to behave, or this site has a major failure.

Correct.

Re:We are not an audience (1, Insightful)

Kell Bengal (711123) | about 9 months ago | (#46184515)

WE HEAR YOU We did tell you we wanted feedback.

If they hear our feedback, and yet do nothing to address it, then it is clear that they do not care about our opinions. If they were truly listening to the user base, there would be a simple story announcing "BETA is over - we were wrong, forgive us." At this point, that is what it will take.

Re:We are not an audience (0, Offtopic)

PGC (880972) | about 9 months ago | (#46184537)

Mod parent up

Re:We are not an audience (1, Insightful)

ixvo (2657555) | about 9 months ago | (#46184617)

sudo mod parent up

FTFY

Re:We are not an audience (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184799)

sudo shutup -u -mf

Re:We are not an audience (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46189135)

Mod parent up

Fucking idiots like you are one of the things wrong with /. nowadays. If you have mod points, use them. If you don't, shut your fucking mouth about mod points until you earn some of your own to spend.

And you're dreaming. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184931)

It has been pointed out with financial information from Dice that Slashdot is not worth it as is. It's in the hole for millions and I don't think anyone has ever made Slashdot a money maker. The only folks who made money on Slashdot were the founders who sold it off during the Dot Com craze.

In other words, Slashdot, as you know it, is a goner because it is not pulling its weight.

All these "protests" and bitching is STILL traffic to the site. And even if all you got a clue and just stopped coming here (fat chance! You're all so addicted to this site, I don't blame the management for taking you for granted.), Slashdot/Dice will just have a monetize the domain some other way.

"Slashdot.com - where to go for enterprise servers!"

Re:And you're dreaming. (0)

Pikoro (844299) | about 9 months ago | (#46184997)

But. What could the costs really be other than what they paid for the site? Subtract that, and you got what? 5 "editors" at say $80,000/yr (which is insane for how little they do, should be $30,000) So $80k x 5 is 400k/year total. Hosting should be in house. Bandwidth costs are practically non-existent, and server maintenance should be done by the editors cause they're "geeky". If they couldn't handle something as simple as that, they shouldn't even be here. I don't see the issue. I ran a site that got millions of unique users per month for damn near nothing but my personal time and the cost of an internet connection (~$80/mo). If they're losing millions, they're doing it wrong. Way wrong.

Re:We are not an audience (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184495)

Copyright law is the basis of the GPL. Copyright law says that the original holder of the copyright has the exclusive right to copy a work. The only way you can copy a work that has Copyright protection is with the permission of the author (or some other cases involving fair use that aren't relevant to this post). Most Copyright business happens as a result of contracts between the Copyright holder and those that make copies. In the book industry, the author sells his right to make copies, in some fashion, to the publisher. The publisher then creates the copies consistant with the contract, sells them and gives the author the amount of money that he or she is due (sometimes this figure is $0). This is no different than the FSF granting permission to copy a work based on a set of terms and conditions. People that publish 'political' or 'religious' works often do similar things. Many pamphlets I see contain words to the effect of "verbatum copies of this may be made without charge or further permission of X, the lawful copyright holder of this work." The GPL is based solidly in contract law, and is very similar to other software licenses in that it grants the ability to copy in a certain way, so long as certain terms are obeyed. The fact that the details of these terms differs is somewhat irrelevant when one is testing the validity of the licenese. To the extent that they are lawful is the only test that matters. And since they are lawful, SCO's claims not-with-standing, the contract is valid.

Re:We are not an audience (0)

PGC (880972) | about 9 months ago | (#46184545)

Damn, these kind of protest-posts are truly a mind-fuck. At least with the FB posts, I directly know what it is about, hereby I keep thinking WTF? Ps. Fuck Beta

Re:We are not an audience (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184725)

Please post this to new articles if it hasn't been posted yet. (Copy-paste the html from here [pastebin.com] so links don't get mangled!)

On February 5, 2014, Slashdot announced through a javascript popup that they are starting to "move in to" the new Slashdot Beta design. Slashdot Beta is a trend-following attempt to give Slashdot a fresh look, an approach that has led to less space for text and an abandonment of the traditional Slashdot look. Much worse than that, Slashdot Beta fundamentally breaks the classic Slashdot discussion and moderation system.

If you haven't seen Slashdot Beta already, open this [slashdot.org] in a new tab. After seeing that, click here [slashdot.org] to return to classic Slashdot.

We should boycott stories and only discuss the abomination that is Slashdot Beta until Dice abandons the project.
We should boycott slashdot entirely during the week of Feb 10 to Feb 17 as part of the wider slashcott [slashdot.org]

Moderators - only spend mod points on comments that discuss Beta
Commentors - only discuss Beta
  http://slashdot.org/recent [slashdot.org] - Vote up the Fuck Beta stories

Keep this up for a few days and we may finally get the PHBs attention.

-----=====##### LINKS #####=====-----

Discussion of Beta: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=56395415 [slashdot.org]

Discussion of where to go if Beta goes live: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3321441 [slashdot.org]

Alternative Slashdot: http://altslashdot.org [altslashdot.org] (thanks Okian Warrior (537106) [slashdot.org] )

Re:We are not an audience (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184739)

If we were an audience,

YOU would be entertaining us.
We however are entertaining ourselves. Your theater, but we are the actors capiche?

Re:We are not an audience (2, Insightful)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | about 9 months ago | (#46184865)

I actually couldn't initially believe it when timothy described the commenters as "an audience".I mean, I could have genuinely accepted "peanut gallery", but audience is really just too much considering how most of the performance is actually made down here in the comments.

Then again, such an attitude would explain a lot of the editorial decisions over the years. Have the slash editors really been looking at the site as a news blog first, and a commenting system second? For all these years?

Re:We are not an audience (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184921)

We're an audience just like the audience when they show Rocky Horror Picture Show.

slashcott: Feb 10 - 17

Re:We are not an audience (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46186039)

My interpretation of the slashdot crowd is older, liberal, IT folks. Embittered by not reaching what they consider their potential, they read news daily about technology hoping for some little bauble that'll make their life better, or some obscure scientific notion that makes them feel relevant again, and bitch when it's not technology-related.

That, my friend, IS an audience.

Re:We are not an audience (0)

Jaysyn (203771) | about 9 months ago | (#46186981)

Bzzzt, wrong. I read *news* at Ars Technica. I come over here to talk about it.

I stopped reading slashdot... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46187669)

Because of the "community."

I'm a human being in the business of IT, not a basement dwelling linux zealot. I want information, not advocacy.

More content and less circlejerk would be great.

beta boycott next week! (1, Offtopic)

rr_at_slashdot (1924306) | about 9 months ago | (#46184289)

See you all back on February 17!

Re:beta boycott next week! (-1, Offtopic)

PGC (880972) | about 9 months ago | (#46184329)

It is not februari 10th yet

Re:beta boycott next week! (1)

rr_at_slashdot (1924306) | about 9 months ago | (#46184353)

Have a nice weekend and see you back on February 17th! ;)

Re:beta boycott next week! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184915)

Notice how the number of comments has dropped off? Normally they're about 1/3 to 1/2 of normal. Looks like people are already taking their warm bodies, and not posting.

As a fun fact, some people will remember other sites Digg, or LGF for example where they either did massive site redesigns or pissed all over the people who made the site. Notice how their decline into the ashes of history continues? Right. /. has a chance to fix that by actually listening to their userbase who comment and drive the site with the unique information they provide. If they don't, those of us who do post unique, interesting, and insightful information will go away. If they do listen, then the site will get a reprieve until the next MBA with their head up their ass tries the same thing.

As a useful protip to the staff who are reading this, DICE's "going forward plan" will kill the site.

Re: beta boycott next week! (1)

LordWabbit2 (2440804) | about 9 months ago | (#46186861)

clearly he only reads /. at work (instead of working)

Re:beta boycott next week! (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | about 9 months ago | (#46187125)

Beta and Mobile delenda est and Ecrasez le Infame while we are at it.

Re:beta boycott next week! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184911)

See you all back on February 17!

Pro Tip for Boycott: Add the word 'BOYCOTT 10-17' your Slashdot bookmarks so that you don't accidentally forget and click on it.

Re:beta boycott next week! (1)

fatphil (181876) | about 9 months ago | (#46185347)

Why? Only if we're coming back to sling shit again until they say "we were wrong, we didn't have a clue what we were doing". But life's too short for that - we need a new home, one that's not under DICE's idiotic control.

Beta sucks (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184315)

Down with slashbeta

Beta (2, Insightful)

pitchpipe (708843) | about 9 months ago | (#46184317)

Beta is so bad, all of the comments have turned to shit!

Re:Beta (2, Insightful)

PGC (880972) | about 9 months ago | (#46184369)

Yeah, Fuck Beta.

Agencies taking their clients money (3, Insightful)

mrthoughtful (466814) | about 9 months ago | (#46184319)

It sucks when some designers or an agency comes along and takes all your money and then produces utter shite, which you are expected to pay for, because you asked for their advice. Like Slashdot. What an epic mess.

Re:Agencies taking their clients money (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184421)

How much did you pay for Slashdot?

Re:Agencies taking their clients money (1)

Joce640k (829181) | about 9 months ago | (#46184469)

How much did you pay for Slashdot?

It's a business. They make money somehow...

Re:Agencies taking their clients money (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184659)

Yeah, but how?

Re:Agencies taking their clients money (1)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | about 9 months ago | (#46184697)

I think many of us have been wondering how /. manages to stay alive since the site's creation you know...

Re:Agencies taking their clients money (1)

ShaunC (203807) | about 9 months ago | (#46184835)

Yeah, but how?

By selling ads to show us. Thing is, if there is no "us," there are no ads to sell. They haven't gotten that memo yet.

Re:Agencies taking their clients money (1)

rossdee (243626) | about 9 months ago | (#46184749)

There is an option to subscribe, at least on the classic site.

But so far I haven't seen anything from them that says "if you subscribe you can keep access to the classic site"

I probably would subscribe if I hd to to keep thte classic interface.

Theres no way I would pay for the Beta

BTW Is it pronounced Bee Tar or Bay Tar
I have heard people say both
How did the original Greeks pronounce it

Who lives in the Beta quadrant? The Alpha quadrant is where the Federation and the rest of the species that show up in TOS and TNG are from
The Gama quadrant is accessible through the Bajoran wormhole in is run by the Dominion
and Delta quadrant is where Voyager went, and has lots of Borg

So who is in ther Beta quadrant?

I suppose I should say something about Australia dumping wate so I am on/off topic
What do Climatoligists predict will happen to Australias climate as climate change gets worse?

Re:Agencies taking their clients money (1)

JustOK (667959) | about 9 months ago | (#46184811)

Isn't if full of lifeguards? That's what I remember from BetaWatch.

Re:Agencies taking their clients money (1)

fatphil (181876) | about 9 months ago | (#46185433)

In Greek, it's more like vay-ta (probably /veita/ in ASCII-IPA).
I have no idea where the voiced bilabial plosive (stop) came from.

racked up bills of $38 million (2, Funny)

Chrisq (894406) | about 9 months ago | (#46184331)

racked up bills of $38 million for a water data system

for that amount of money they could have secured a water supply for a small town, or provided flood defenses along half a mile of a river.

Re: racked up bills of $38 million (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184373)

And bought back slashdot from a bunch of soulless high level marketers

FUCK BETA

Re: racked up bills of $38 million (3, Insightful)

crutchy (1949900) | about 9 months ago | (#46184539)

for that amount of money they could have secured a water supply for a small town, or provided flood defenses along half a mile of a river.

a private company, maybe
a government agency... not a chance in hell
government is the definition of waste

US5722418 + US5644363 + GoogleGlass (0)

Anachragnome (1008495) | about 9 months ago | (#46184363)

The kind of information they are trying to stop flowing...by intentionally killing Slashdot .

US5722418
+
US5644363
+
GoogleGlass
+
Acceptance
=
????

If history is any sort of an indicator, any rights we sell today, our children must buy back with blood tomorrow

Boycott, vote up anti-beta submissions (2, Interesting)

magic maverick (2615475) | about 9 months ago | (#46184365)

Hi Folks,
It's your regular neighborhood troll magic maverick , and I've got a small couple of requests for you.
1. In the firehose, vote down as offtopic anything that isn't related to the beta. Vote up anything that is related to the beta.
2. Join the boycott from 10th to 17th Feb. Demonstrate that without the commentators, /. will obviously die.

Cheers,
Now back to your regular scheduled trolling.

Re:Boycott, vote up anti-beta submissions (4, Funny)

StripedCow (776465) | about 9 months ago | (#46184723)

Meanwhile, at Slashdot headquarters:
"Wow, the comment statistics have really been going up lately."
"Must be related to those 25% of users that are using beta now. They seem to like it. Keep pushing it!"

Re:Boycott, vote up anti-beta submissions (1)

plasticsquirrel (637166) | about 9 months ago | (#46185119)

I'm pretty sure "Slashdot Headquarters" consists of a few cubicles with a few underpaid admins. Dice Holding Company's headquarters are probably much nicer, but I doubt that there are many employees there either! I'm willing to bet that there are just enough to get by and make profits by dismantling websites and genericizing acquisitions according to an unimaginative formula that they believe will help them make net profits in the long run.

Hot Grits on Natalie Portman's butt cheeks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184733)

FUCK BETA. BETA SUCKS. FUCK DICE HOLDINGS COMPANY. DICE HOLDINGS COMPANY SUCKS.

Dennis Ritchie: I think the Linux phenomenon is quite delightful, because it draws so strongly on the basis that Unix provided. Linux seems to be the among the healthiest of the direct Unix derivatives, though there are also the various BSD systems as well as the more official offerings from the workstation and mainframe manufacturers.

Dennis Ritchie: My own computational world is a strange blend of Plan 9, Windows, and Inferno. I very much admire Linux's growth and vigor. Occasionally, people ask me much the same question [about Linux], but posed in a way that seems to expect an answer that shows jealousy or irritation about Linux vs. Unix as delivered and branded by traditional companies. Not at all; I think of both as the continuation of ideas that were started by Ken and me and many others, many years ago.

FUCK BETA. BETA SUCKS. FUCK DICE HOLDINGS COMPANY. DICE HOLDINGS COMPANY SUCKS.

Slashdotters unite! Revert to your feral nerd forms!

Re:Hot Grits on Natalie Portman's butt cheeks (1)

Kell Bengal (711123) | about 9 months ago | (#46184779)

Slashdotters unite! Revert to your feral nerd forms!

NERDBOTS ASSEMBLE!

Re:Boycott, vote up anti-beta submissions (1)

magic maverick (2615475) | about 9 months ago | (#46185023)

LOL someone is butthurtz about my post and modded it off topic. I guess I'm going to need a bigger shotgun.

I sucked a lot of cock to get where I am. (-1, Offtopic)

magic maverick (2615475) | about 9 months ago | (#46184375)

I only want to be the best that I can.

My mouth is stained.

Ah fuck it, you know what? Fuck you and your mother, I'm not getting paid enough to post this shit.

Re:I sucked a lot of cock to get where I am. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184433)

This effectively rules out any Linux 2.0-based systems. And considering the uptimes needed to get on the list (659 is the lowest when I'm writing this), Linux 2.2 has had very little time getting on the list. Should've been up since sometime around the end of april 1999 (somebody check this?). This allows for about 3-4 months from the release of linux 2.2.0, which means that the only admins to put this on their webservers would be freaks who just gotta have the latest bleeding-edge thingy running their server, and I'm very sure that these freaks have upgraded their systems since. Furthermore, this rules out any linux-kernel newer than 2.2.7 (which was released april 27, 1999) Now, if I remember correctly, 2.2.0 - 2.2.4 had *issues*. (and 2.2 didn't get wide acceptance before sometime after 2.2.10 or so... no wait... Red Hat released a version with some 2.2.5-version, I think... Of course, that proves nothing.)

Reminder (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184377)

It is rude to randomly redirect visitors to beta.slashdot.
Even more so because beta sucks.

Providing a hard to find opt-out, adding /?nobeta=1 to the url, just upgrades the aggravation level from "rude" to "insulting and infuriating".
The only acceptable option is, as always, opt-in.

I guess you need reminding. a lot.

Re:Reminder (4, Insightful)

PGC (880972) | about 9 months ago | (#46184389)

I guess you are right. Hereby another reminder: Fuck Beta.

Re:Reminder (5, Informative)

pejyel (1275304) | about 9 months ago | (#46184431)

It is rude to randomly redirect visitors to beta.slashdot. Even more so because beta sucks.

Providing a hard to find opt-out, adding /?nobeta=1 to the url, just upgrades the aggravation level from "rude" to "insulting and infuriating". The only acceptable option is, as always, opt-in.

I guess you need reminding. a lot.

that's why everybody's heading to this page to talk about what our options are if DICE refuses to hear us. [altslashdot.org]

I HATE BETA (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184395)

It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming close on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a cockeyed miracle could save *BSD from its fate at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dying

Millions flowing into a sh*tty project... (2, Insightful)

gridzilla (778890) | about 9 months ago | (#46184449)

... that sounds exactly like BETA!

Let's stick with the old layout Mmkay?

Re:Millions flowing into a sh*tty project... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184467)

What truly scares me is how folks like this are lusting over something they could never even utilize. I could *maybe* understand someone's desire for a Cray (and even that's a stretch), given the company's interesting history (and even more interesting founder, Seymour Cray). But a cluster of PCs?? What's so great about having racks upon racks filled with x86 systems sitting in your den that will recieve little or no use? And really, what's so great about a Cray in your own home? What are you going to run on either? Distributed TTY GNOME? And no, you're not going to be able to recompile the Linux kernel in two seconds with -any- cluster. You're better off builing a nice desktop PC and a companion server. Lust over the 100 GHz PC that you'll be running in just 8 years.

Fuck Beta (3, Insightful)

FunPika (1551249) | about 9 months ago | (#46184479)

Please post this to new articles if it hasn't been posted yet. (Copy-paste the html from here [pastebin.com] so links don't get mangled!)

On February 5, 2014, Slashdot announced through a javascript popup that they are starting to "move in to" the new Slashdot Beta design. Slashdot Beta is a trend-following attempt to give Slashdot a fresh look, an approach that has led to less space for text and an abandonment of the traditional Slashdot look. Much worse than that, Slashdot Beta fundamentally breaks the classic Slashdot discussion and moderation system.

If you haven't seen Slashdot Beta already, open this [slashdot.org] in a new tab. After seeing that, click here [slashdot.org] to return to classic Slashdot.

We should boycott stories and only discuss the abomination that is Slashdot Beta until Dice abandons the project.
We should boycott slashdot entirely during the week of Feb 10 to Feb 17 as part of the wider slashcott [slashdot.org]

Moderators - only spend mod points on comments that discuss Beta
Commentors - only discuss Beta
http://slashdot.org/recent [slashdot.org] - Vote up the Fuck Beta stories

Keep this up for a few days and we may finally get the PHBs attention.

-----=====##### LINKS #####=====-----

Discussion of Beta: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=56395415 [slashdot.org]
Discussion of where to go if Beta goes live: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3321441 [slashdot.org]
Alternative Slashdot: http://altslashdot.org [altslashdot.org] (thanks Okian Warrior (537106) [slashdot.org] )

Re:Fuck Beta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184511)

The real catch here is a VCP with no rewind. There won't be any DVD's as they will figure out that with video cassettes and no rewind, they will have your viewing habits, as you will have to purchase a new tape each time you wish to watch something!!! To assure this, they will likely not really attach the tape to one spool to make sure that you don't build an illegal external rewinder. They wouldn't want you to be able to view that tape that you legally purchased more than one time.

Re:Fuck Beta (1)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | about 9 months ago | (#46184535)

Please post this to new articles if it hasn't been posted yet. (Copy-paste the html from here [pastebin.com] so links don't get mangled!)

On February 5, 2014, Slashdot announced through a javascript popup that they are starting to "move in to" the new Slashdot Beta design. Slashdot Beta is a trend-following attempt to give Slashdot a fresh look, an approach that has led to less space for text and an abandonment of the traditional Slashdot look. Much worse than that, Slashdot Beta fundamentally breaks the classic Slashdot discussion and moderation system.

If you haven't seen Slashdot Beta already, open this [slashdot.org] in a new tab. After seeing that, click here [slashdot.org] to return to classic Slashdot.

We should boycott stories and only discuss the abomination that is Slashdot Beta until Dice abandons the project.
We should boycott slashdot entirely during the week of Feb 10 to Feb 17 as part of the wider slashcott [slashdot.org]

Moderators - only spend mod points on comments that discuss Beta
Commentors - only discuss Beta
  http://slashdot.org/recent [slashdot.org] - Vote up the Fuck Beta stories

Keep this up for a few days and we may finally get the PHBs attention.

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Discussion of Beta: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=56395415 [slashdot.org]

        Discussion of where to go if Beta goes live: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3321441 [slashdot.org]

        Alternative Slashdot: http://altslashdot.org [altslashdot.org] (thanks Okian Warrior (537106) [slashdot.org] )

All of you who don't like the Beta, just put 'I hate Slashdot Beta!' in your SIG and find something else to talk about. Just for god's sake stop hijacking threads with this off-topic whining. The rest of us have all long since noticed that you don't like the new site layout.

Re:Fuck Beta (1)

PGC (880972) | about 9 months ago | (#46184657)

Yeah, you are right. Fuck Beta.

Re:Fuck Beta (1)

N1AK (864906) | about 9 months ago | (#46184785)

I thought that for the last couple of days. Then I tried using Beta for a couple of threads and it is a much less enjoyable experience so I can understand the frustration. Putting "Fuck Beta" in a signature isn't going to do anything to change the owners mind. Being polite and respectful and offering feedback, has apparently, been ineffective. So what would work? Making the comments section largely unusable by spamming it with "fuck beta" comments perhaps? You have to consider that the pro-beta comments are being moderated favourably which implies that it isn't just a few bitching change adverse users but a widely held view.

Yes, it inconveniences people who wanted to get insightful comments but that's exactly why it's more likely to be effective.

on topic thread here (5, Interesting)

crutchy (1949900) | about 9 months ago | (#46184509)

this article seems to imply that linux was the reason for the cost blowout... and not that it was managed by a government agency.

look at any project administered by any government agency around the world... how many are on budget? why is that? it has nothing to do with linux and everything to do with government waste

Re:on topic thread here (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184521)

In the United States, the standard railroad gauge is exactly four feet, eight-and-one-half inches wide. Why? Because that's the way they built them in England. Why did they build them that way in England? Because that's how wide English tramways were. And why were they that width? Because the people who built the trams also built wagons, and wagons wheels were that far apart. Why? Because the ancient Roman roads in England had wheel ruts exactly that far apart. Why? Because those ancient ruts were made by the wheels of Roman war chariots, and their wheels were exactly four feet, eight-and-a-half-inches wide. Why? Because Roman war chariots were just wide enough to accomodate two Roman war horses.

Re:on topic thread here (1)

TapeCutter (624760) | about 9 months ago | (#46185101)

SciAm's "connections" was a great column!

Re:on topic thread here (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184559)

Now, perhaps with proper microstructuring, you could make a system in which electrons under a potential difference tunnel across a gap, carrying heat without providing a thermally conductive path back to the cold side, and perhaps you could get high cooling efficiencies out of such a device. Granted, you still have to pull the heat off the hot side of the device, but if you could (for example) have the cold side at 20C next to your CPU, and the hot side at 120C exposed to an air stream, you will move more heat into the air stream than you would from the 50C surface of a CPU that was not actively cooled.

Re:on topic thread here (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184601)

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Re:on topic thread here (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184613)

who would knowingly eat shit and CmdrTacos jizz?

the CEO of Dice

Re:on topic thread here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184963)

this article seems to imply that fuck beta was the reason for the cost blowout... and not that it was managed by beta

look at any beta by any beta around the world how many are fuck beta? why is that? it has nothing to do with fuck beta and everything to do with beta.

There i fixed it.

Re:on topic thread here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46185027)

But if it were Windows, then all the blame would clearly be on Windows. Since it's Linux, Linux is the victim of this

Re:on topic thread here (4, Insightful)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | about 9 months ago | (#46185515)

The problem is the tender system is broken. Government projects in Australia are contracted to the consulting company who promises to deliver a solution in the shortest time and the smallest budget. They then sign a blank cheque based on the expected initial phase of development and then the company puts its hand out until completion.

What happened here is that the company promised to deliver a solution at $2.5million a year and has managed to milk the system for an additional $30m ! So it's a government department, certainly, but the contractor exaggerated its ability to deliver.

I've worked for a government IT project, directly employed by the department, where years after the original company did handover, we were still cleaning up the mess. No documentation, no code comments, some of the worst anti-patterns I've ever seen. Too many cowboys in the industry and it's a pity the government just don't have an in-house development team.

Yea yea yea (0)

Big Hairy Ian (1155547) | about 9 months ago | (#46184593)

"did a good job" and "with all changes having to be made by the original consultant that built it" in the same sentence surely this is an oxymoron!

Sorry will have a go at BETA on my next post

Re:Yea yea yea (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184615)

You may be wondering what CmdrTacos special taco is. You will be wishing that you hadnt been wondering after you finish reading this post. To make his special taco, CmdrTaco takes a taco shell and shits on it. He then adds lettuce, takes out his tiny withered dick (otherwise known as his Commander Beta Sucks), puts his special taco sauce on it which means he jacks off on the taco, and adds a compound to make the person who eats the taco unconscious. Of course, the compound does not make the person unconscious until the taco is fully eaten. Thus CmdrTaco force-feeds the taco to the unsuspecting victim. After all, who would knowingly eat shit and CmdrTacos jizz?

Diff between Using and Being FLOSS (4, Interesting)

Coeurderoy (717228) | about 9 months ago | (#46184611)

This waste of public money illustrate the fact that companies might be "Pushing Open Source" but not wanting to be "Open Source"...

Using "free" software is not really relevant if the company does not integrate a policy of putting software back into to "free" pool...
If they would use best practice, the level of contribution (+ probabley higher reuse) would make sure that they are not the "only player avaiable"...

And of course going over 80% increase of the initial deal should get you axed anyway, how the hell did it grow to 38 in 18 month ?

    Somebody willing to "show" his/her code would probably not end up in this situation, additionally even if the deal would be "more expensive than initially planned"
    at least the Australian government would have something they could promote, share, sell to other countries....
    That way they just have a big hole in the public account (and probably some people who have got a very nice and totally undeserved bonus of some form or another...)

Re:Diff between Using and Being FLOSS (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184639)

I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci-Fi writer Stephen King was found dead at his Maine residence this morning. Apparently, Mr. King was working in his garage when a loaded nailgun fell off of a workbench, causing it to discharge and riddle him with approximately 37 penny nails. He then fell face-first into his newly-poured concrete driveway, where he hardened and was found six hours later by his son Owen. I'm sure he will be missed by the Slashdot community - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his impact on the advancement of Objectivism as the "hip philosophy" of the 21st Century. Truly an American icon.

So this is how Slashdot dies. (0, Offtopic)

McDutchie (151611) | about 9 months ago | (#46184619)

Much like Digg did. How sad.

Re:So this is how Slashdot dies. (1, Offtopic)

StripedCow (776465) | about 9 months ago | (#46184637)

The worst part of it is: M$ will outlive Slashdot...

StackExchange please help us (0)

StripedCow (776465) | about 9 months ago | (#46184663)

StackExchange, can you please build us a new Slashdot?

You have most of the code already in place (comments need to be hierarchically structured, though).
You have the servers.
Most importantly, you have lots of sincere users with a background in programming, physics, etcetera.

Re:StackExchange please help us (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184767)

Right, let's turn open-ended discussions into a bitch fest about how questions and posts don't meet the requirements and downvoting it into oblivion instead of actually addressing issues and being constructive...

BACK ON TOPIC... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184679)

FUCK BETA. BETA SUCKS. FUCK DICE HOLDINGS. DICE HOLDINGS SUCKS.

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FUCK BETA. BETA SUCKS. FUCK DICE HOLDINGS. DICE HOLDINGS SUCKS.

IRL DDOS of DICE 888-321-DICE (3423) (-1, Troll)

Halapchik (2217994) | about 9 months ago | (#46184685)

So since the Dice corporate overlords seem to be oblivious to the desires of the "audience", and seem to only care about the $$, it would follow that the way to get the attention of said corporate overlords is to impact their business at Dice.com. I propose an IRL DDOS of their phone lines. Emails can be deleted by the million, but phone calls on the other hand take up valuable time from their limited support staff. Please feel free to contact Dice support and keep their reps on the line for a few minutes. Talk POLITELY (hey they work for a living too) about how their bosses own a website called Slashdot which is an integral institution of the internets, and how Dice is destroying it.

Even if only 10% of us make one phone call once a day, thats over 40,000 phone calls. Once their customer service department becomes too overwhelmed by calls to function, and if we can make it persist for a few days, you can bet that the higher ups will take notice.

Here is their customer service line: 888-321-DICE (3423)

If you have more phone numbers for Dice, please post them as well.

Oh ya, BETA can suck an unwashed shit covered cock after an all night ass rape orgy.

BOYCOTT 10-17 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184689)

Fuck beta. We are not coming from 10 to 17 of February so you learn your lesson.

Will it also dump the... (0)

ppff (936472) | about 9 months ago | (#46184703)

Slashdot Beta ? I will join the boycott. 10th to 17th February. If the beta is not dumped the 18th, I will not come back. I just cannot understand how they can make such a sucky design.

This is the way the Slashdot ends... (0, Redundant)

wbr1 (2538558) | about 9 months ago | (#46184711)

This is the way the Slashdot ends
This is the way the Slashdot ends
This is the way the Slashdot ends
Not with a big bang but a beta.

Fuck BETA (0, Offtopic)

puffingbear (1948096) | about 9 months ago | (#46184751)

Fuck BETA, that is all

TFA disagrees with submission summary (5, Interesting)

maynard (3337) | about 9 months ago | (#46184753)

According to TFA:

SMS Management and Technology won the IT initial development contract in June 2009 in a deal initially expected to be worth at least $2.5 million per year.

The audit office questioned the value of the project, which is estimated to have reached $38.5 million for associated systems and applications by 30 June 2013.

So, across four years what should have cost $10M wound up costing nearly $40M. However:

Within 18 months, however, four change orders had been processed, increasing the value of the deal to over $15.4 million in the first two years

Thus, change orders from a client who changed milestones mid-stream:

The milestones for the contract were not tightly specified, nor was the extent to which the industry partner staff would be integrated with or separated from internal bureau IT staff roles and deliverables.

Leading to a situation where, "The contract began to resemble a time and materials contract rather than a fixedâfee contract contingent on achieving milestones and deliverables." Meaning that the client kept changing their mind so often the consulting firm was required to baby a system they hadn't thought through to begin with and had thus grown into a monstrosity that served disparate and disorganized goals.

No wonder it went over budget.

But that has nothing to do with open source and everything to do with bad project management. Notice that they've solved the problem by choosing "...a replacement, based on an off-the-shelf software product."

Which, if it meets their needs - bully for them. But is more likely an imposed solution to a problem they hadn't clearly defined to begin with. Thus, it's likely they'll find themselves in the same situation. Not because open source software is bad, or the commercial software is bad, or the consulting firm was probably bad... but because the bureau of meteorology has no idea what it wants to do with this data.

The problem here is with undefined goals set by management. Until they face that fact they'll go round this merry-go-round again and again. And taxpayers will foot the bill.

Re:TFA disagrees with submission summary (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184821)

Around 1991-1992, I started getting into playing with UNIX variants. At this time, almost everyone and his dog has a commercial UNIX. Dell, Mt. Xinu (had source with it), Sun (Solaris 2.x was not around, so it was still SunOS 4.1.x, AIX was out, being a BSD with SVR4 extensions, and Apple's A/UX was out, System V to the core. NeXTStep was out, very much BSD. All of these either required fairly expensive hardware and/or the OS was priced too high for a humble University of Texas student. So, at that time, were two new varients that were free to play with. One was Linux (3 dists, TAMU, MCC, and SLS), and the other one was 386BSD, which the binaries came on 11 floppies, X and source, about 20-30. 386BSD from Jolitz was very stable, and from booting the compressed boot/root disk was amazing what it had on, on just one floppy. I promptly had 386BSD running, and posted for help for two small issues in the BSD/386 newsgroup (BSD/386 and 386BSD shared the same newsgroup. BSD/386 was BSDI's commercial UNIX.) I got the answer I needed quite quickly, and politely. (A bug in 386BSD would freeze the console until you logged in via a serial port, and did an 'su'. Bog knows why that fixed it.) I played with that, had docs on Linux, but I never started using Linux until about 1993. At the time, development was seeming to be stagnent on the 386BSD front, and Linux was _the_ OS to hack for. I soon got SLS, then Slackware (which I still keep a subscription to, as that distribution deserves my support). Soon after, 386BSD broke into two camps wanting different things -- FreeBSD for better x86 tools, NetBSD for better cross-platform portability. Around mid-1995, OpenBSD split off, mainly for personal differences, but for other factors as well -- having very good security, IIRC. Now, we have three BSD's, each very solid. (All have S/KEY built into the login sequence, so if you don't have an ssh client, you can still telnet in, using a one-time password algorithm, something I had to bolt onto Linux) All in all, neither is better, each has a different reason for being around, and the *BSD and Linux infighting is just plain foolish. Microsoft is the target, and all 4 OS's are now in the 'catch MS's taillights' mode, instead of going into new territory.

beta is hard to look at (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184775)

*In case nobody else already mentioned it, the beta comment layout's flat grey boxes are hard to see if your screen isn't perfectly calibrated, or you want to read without glasses, or your vision generally isn't that great.

*The beta look may be more modern, but this isn't a fashion site, the community prefers function over form.

*Fashion blog themes made by kids on tumblr have better visibility without sacrificing the functionality of the site.

Fuck BETA (1)

delta98 (619010) | about 9 months ago | (#46184815)

It looks like shit. Where was this designed , a coding bootcamp?

Re:Fuck BETA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46185525)

Not a coding camp, but a web UI design camp.

It looks like a bunch of design newbs threw together every current design fad they could name, with no concern whatsoever for the overall goal of the system (keep commenters showing up and contributing content every day) or even its basic usability.

How long is it going to be before some of these nitwits and their moronic bosses rediscover "form follows function"? Given that they never should have forgotten it, it's already been way, way too long....

Beware the lesson of gay.com (0)

Powercntrl (458442) | about 9 months ago | (#46184829)

Once the most popular chat and dating site for gays and lesbians, gay.com launched a bad redesign to their site and their subscriber count never recovered. The redesign broke compatibility with all of the third party chat clients and the redesigned on-site chat was so unreliable when it launched that it sent most of their users running to competing chat/dating services. By the time most of the bugs were fixed, it was already too late - a fundamental paradigm shift had taken place, their users had switched to smartphone apps and no longer had much interest in sitting at home in front of a computer.

Had they brought the full functionality of their popular dating site to mobile devices, history may have played out differently. Instead, they launched a horribly broken desktop site and sealed their fate. Dice could learn a lot from this failure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G... [wikipedia.org]

There's always Hacker News (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184875)

While the Beta mess is sorted out (I hope it is!), why not cool down your nerves and relax at Hacker News [ycombinator.com] . That's most close to Slashdot of the sites I can think. Comes with a premium no-frills UI that is great with all devices, and HTTPS out of the box. Pair that with newsyc20 [twitter.com] Twitter feed and you're all set.

* FORK FORK * FORK FORK * FORK FORK * (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46184943)

thank you.

Too early in the morning to... (1)

darkz0r (2779267) | about 9 months ago | (#46184967)

....point out that Beta sucks ?

More news: Slashdot dumps users with beta site. (2)

urbanriot (924981) | about 9 months ago | (#46185369)

In other news, a high school co-op student 'working' for Slashdot has racked up an undisclosed amount of semester time designing a new beta site, a site heavily criticized by any user that's pushed into it. Many users are attempting to pool their resources to create an alternative Slashdot site as they feel the owners of Slashdot.com aren't listening to their criticisms since the current site is fine the way it is and doesn't need any the horrid beta design.

I will Adblock on Slashdot until Beta goes away (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46185401)

lol revenue, amirite DICE?

stories about dumping trial projects? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46186361)

If enough headline stories are about dumping expensive beta upgrades to things that are not broken maybe BETA can be canned ?????

You FAIL it (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46186513)

during this file aal; in order to go MOViE [imdb.com] as WideOpen,

A not unusual situation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46186833)

What has very likely happened is that, at each stage, the contractor has delivered something that sort of meets the specification (which was probably inadequate since the customer did not understand their requirements, let alone the issues and trade-offs), but is obviously unusable - hence the inevitable change order. It is also quite likely that they sold the the customer on the desirability or even the need for changes that lead to the need for more changes. Of course if the in-house expertise is lacking, it is almost inevitable that things will go from bad to worse. One of the perverse things in these situations is that the poorer the quality of the work, more money the contractor will end up being paid.

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