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How Adobe Got Rid of Traditional Stack-Ranking Performance Reviews

Soulskill posted about 6 months ago | from the rate-yourself-on-a-scale-from-excellent-to-awesome dept.

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Hugh Pickens DOT Com writes "Bob Sutton reports that in 2012 Adobe moved from yearly performance rankings to frequent "check-ins" where managers provide employees targeted coaching and advice. There is no prescribed format or frequency for these conversations, and managers don't complete any forms or use any technologies to guide or document what happens during such conversations. They are simply expected to have regular check-ins to convey what is expected of employees, give and get feedback, and help employees with their growth and development plans. 'The aim is to give people information when they need it rather than months after teachable moments have passed,' writes Sutton. Donna Morris, Adobe's senior vice president for People and Places, says her team calculated that annual reviews required 80,000 hours of time from the 2000 managers at Adobe each year, the equivalent of 40 full-time employees. After all that effort, internal surveys revealed that employees felt less inspired and motivated afterwards—and turnover increased. According to Sutton, Adobe's bold move seems to be working. Surveys indicates that most Adobe managers and employees find the new system to be less cumbersome and more effective than the old stack-ranking system where managers must divide employees into groups — for example, maybe 15 percent of people can be assigned the highest rating. 'That goes against our core value of being genuine,' says Ellie Gates, director of management effectiveness at Adobe. 'Our goal should be to inspire people to do their best work.' Since the new system was implemented, voluntary attrition has decreased substantially, while involuntary departures have increased by 50% because the new system requires executives and managers to have regular 'tough discussions' with employees who are struggling with performance issues—rather than putting them off until the next performance review cycle comes around. 'It is reducing unnecessary cognitive load, while at the same time, nudging managers to engage more often and more candidly with direct reports to help them develop their skills and plan their careers,' concludes Sutton. 'It also bolsters accountability because managers have far more responsibility for setting employee compensation than under the old system.'"

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Let me be the first to say... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187241)

Fuck Beta.

Re:Let me be the first to say... in response to... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187357)

I guess Adobe learned what happens when you let the "Business Intelligence" folks get their grubby little hands on everything. Kinda like slashdot beta.

Re:Let me be the first to say... (1, Funny)

doti (966971) | about 6 months ago | (#46187427)

I'm waiting for a Downfall parody on this theme.

Also, fuck Beta.

Re:I'm waiting for a Downfall parody on this theme (1)

M. Baranczak (726671) | about 6 months ago | (#46187793)

"I should have stuck with Web 1.0, like Stalin!"

Re: Let me be the first to say... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187483)

Fuck creative cloud.

Cs6, and that's the way it stays.

I don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187773)

the beta isn't so different than the classic. Stop whining!

Re:Let me be the first to say... (-1, Offtopic)

jellomizer (103300) | about 6 months ago | (#46187783)

You can be part of the problem, or part of the solution.
Or in your case you can join the ranks of whiny spoiled brads who choose to complain but do neither.

Have your gripes POST THEM IN THE APPROPRIATE SPOT! I WANT RELEVANT POSTS AGAIN! I have already used up my Mod Points Offtopping you guys.

Re:Let me be the first to say... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187813)

Fuck Beta and fuck you.

Re:Let me be the first to say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46188145)

I have already used up my Mod Points Offtopping you guys.

Bwahahahahahahahaha!

With Beta Slashdot, you won't even have those?>

Beta delenda est! (-1, Offtopic)

emmagsachs (1024119) | about 6 months ago | (#46187255)

Dice made it perfectly clear that, even after all the backlash, Classic will soon be gone:

Dice ignores our complaints, while pretending to listen. Ruining every single discussion is the only option we have left.

Beta delenda est!

ADOBE BLAH BLAH BLAH (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187257)

Fuck beta

FUCK BETA! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187261)

I'm doing this right, right guys?

Oh and maybe first?

For great justice! (-1, Offtopic)

emmagsachs (1024119) | about 6 months ago | (#46187265)

Nobody buys Playboy for the articles. They do it for the hot, nude women (sadly, sans grits). It just so happens that /. is exactly the same. No one reads /. for the articles. The articles were news two days ago. And no one reads /. for the summaries. The summaries are almost always wrong.

Everyone reads /. for the comments. The comments are the /. equivalent of Playboy's naked chicks, with one crucial difference. Without the gentlemen at Playboy, there will be no naked chicks to look at. The service they provide is, for the most part, finding women that will agree to pose nude for pictures, which they most graciously distribute to their readers.

But as for Slashdot -- the good people at Dice and their "editorial" team do diddly squat around here to generate content. The articles, old as they may be, are submitted by the users. The summaries, mistaken as they may be, are provided by the users, not by Timothy, Soulskill, et al. The comments, trollish as they may be, are written by the users.

/. is of the users, by the users, for the users. The only people at Dice who deserve their paycheck are the IT people. The rest of you -- what is it that you do for our benefit? Why the hell do we need you clowns? Your music's bad and you should feel bad!

Beta delenda est!

Re:For great justice! (1, Offtopic)

dosius (230542) | about 6 months ago | (#46187325)

In my opinion, the answer to Beta is to try to create an alternative /. with the existing or an older design and try to woo people there on virtue of being better. Which of course any site that manages to be Slashdot without the new shit, and with perhaps actual editorial work, can't help but be better. But will they come if you build it?

Re:For great justice! (1, Offtopic)

emmagsachs (1024119) | about 6 months ago | (#46187513)

Until Dice managed to alienate the majority of its users, that was only a pipe dream. But now, that just might work. Perhaps Altslashdot [altslashdot.org] will succeed.

Re:For great justice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187931)

Currently that site is a wiki. I assume that will change.

Even Beta would be better than a wiki-based slashdot.

Re:For great justice! (1)

hubie (108345) | about 6 months ago | (#46187953)

Ok, fine! I'm going to build my own alternate /. with blackjack and hookers!

They don't care! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187437)

HA! You were already told once IN BIG CAPITAL LETTERS that you are an AUDIENCE not users. Lusers maybe but users. Beta still sux!

Best Yet (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187443)

Never been prouder to be part of this community. I'm imagining William Wallace painted half-blue on a horse screaming "They can take our Classic, but they can't make us use BETA!".

Re:Best Yet (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187685)

THIS!
IS!
CLASSIC!

Re:For great justice! (1)

Arith (708986) | about 6 months ago | (#46187533)

You know, I can't help but feel this boycott will be alot like Randy Marsh and SouthPark's Walmart boycott.

Randy: "Hey... Gerald, what are you doing?! We said we weren't going to shop at the Wall*Mart anymore!"

Mr. Garrison "Well what are you doing here, Randy?"

Randy: "I came because I wanted to make sure nobody was shopping here.

Stan: "Dad!"

Randy: "Oh all right, em maybe I was gonna buy a glass. One glass! ... And some chips... And butter. And some new pliers."

Re:For great justice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46188305)

I agree. I have an awful habit of coming here. The only way i get anything done is to drop it into my hosts file with an invalid address.

HEYYY thats an idea we can get the hosts file guy to add it to his list!

Re:For great justice! (3, Funny)

mwehle (2491950) | about 6 months ago | (#46187663)

Nobody buys Playboy for the articles. They do it for the hot, nude women (sadly, sans grits). It just so happens that /. is exactly the same. No one reads /. for the articles. The articles were news two days ago. And no one reads /. for the summaries. The summaries are almost always wrong.

Everyone reads /. for the comments.

Well no, I for one read /. for the hot, nude women.

Re:For great justice! (1)

fatphil (181876) | about 6 months ago | (#46187719)

You couldn't be more wrong!!!!!!

This is Readers' Wives.

My opinion may be ugly, it may even offend you, but it's mine, and I'm gonna lay it out in front of you whether you like it or not!

Re:For great justice! (4, Insightful)

DickBreath (207180) | about 6 months ago | (#46187877)

Calling us the Audience is like the Bee Keeper calling the Bees the audience.

Bees make honey. You can set up bee boxes and have bees live in the boxes and make honey that you can harvest. But the bees are free to leave at any time. The only reason the bees stay is because the boxes are less trouble than building a beehive. Try making the bee box unusable and the bees will just go build a beehive elsewhere. Don't believe it? They've been building beehives for a lot longer (*cough* Usenet *cough*) than bee boxes (*cough* Slashdot *cough*) have been around.

I'll keep saying (5, Insightful)

BigDaveyL (1548821) | about 6 months ago | (#46187269)

Stack Ranking only works on a short term basis where you want to trim the fat.

If you do it for too long, two things happen (a) you start cutting into good performers (b) people will not collaborate to make others look good

Re:I'll keep saying (1, Informative)

DaTrueDave (992134) | about 6 months ago | (#46187471)

Stack Ranking might not work long-term, but the moderation at Slashdot has worked long term. Let's not give it all up by moving forward with the beta site.

Re:I'll keep saying (2, Informative)

cellocgw (617879) | about 6 months ago | (#46187479)

Absolutely. There are ways around the problem that top management claims exists, i.e. that every manager will claim his group is better than the other groups (which is why they believe in small-group stack ranking). It takes a lot of effort, and a dedication to cross-team performance evaluations, root-cause analysis as to why one team may have had better schedule or cost performance than another, but it could be done. But given that most corporations consider it a workplace violation for peons to exchange salary information, don't hold yr breath.

Re:I'll keep saying (-1, Offtopic)

girlintraining (1395911) | about 6 months ago | (#46187675)

Anyone else notice that management's solution to the great slashdot uprising is to create dummy accounts and mass downmod everyone? Yeah. Like it just ended yesterday evening.

Slashdot Managers: Fuck you. You've lost another user. After this week, I'm done. Game over. Goodbye. Hope your Web 2.0 beta mcbullshit was worth it.

No, fuck you (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187809)

Slashdot Managers: Fuck you. You've lost another user.

Thank God. I hope the lot of you go to 4chan where you whiny bitches belong.

Re:I'll keep saying (1)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | about 6 months ago | (#46187947)

I think the downmodding started by legit users once they posted their reply. Whether their reply will end up being worth anything is another issue, but if they've heard the outcry (and it seems like they have), there's no reason to continue bitching until they come back with their new plan.

Re:I'll keep saying (0)

runeghost (2509522) | about 6 months ago | (#46188443)

I don't think they've really heard the outcry. "Coming back with a new plan" feels an awful lot like "wait three months and give it a new coat of paint". The slashcott is a way of trying to make damn sure it's understood this isn't simply 'I don't like it' but the much stronger 'I cannot and will not participate in a version of Slashdot like that being proposed'. With a healthy addendum of, 'WTF were you thinking in the first place!' All IMNSHO, of course.

Re:I'll keep saying (1)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about 6 months ago | (#46187875)

I've never heard these phrases before: " Since the new system was implemented, voluntary attrition has decreased substantially, while involuntary departures have increased by 50%". what's an involuntary departure? getting canned? separately, what hoops do you have to jump through to fire poor performers in California without getting sued? some people around me could definitely use an involuntary departure. ahh, if I were the boss man...

Re:I'll keep saying (0)

McGruber (1417641) | about 6 months ago | (#46187563)

Stack Ranking only works on a short term basis where you want to trim the fat.

Regarding the next performance ranking time at Dice, when someone will need to be scapegoated for the Beta Clusterfuck:

Who will Alice Hill [linkedin.com] "stack-rank" into unemployment: samzenpus, Soulskill, timothy, or Unknown Lamer?

Or all four of them?

Re:I'll keep saying (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187713)

Corporate & Other includes Slashdot Media, WorkDigital and corporate-related expenses.

Their above segment accounted for $4.3 million of $213 million total revenue for Dice.
Slashdot does not even fit Dice anyway, but they have nothing to lose by hosing it.

Re:I'll keep saying (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187577)

I was one of a handful of white kids bussed to a predominantly black public school as part of desegregation in Tennessee in the early 80's, and I can say that the mostly black schools I saw were in utter disrepair, short on textbooks, and staffed with teachers who did not compare well to their counterparts in mostly white schools. (In both cases, most of the teachers were white.) Schools in TN are some of the worst in the nation -- I went to what was regarded as the best high school in the area and didn't have to write a single essay in four years -- but the predominately black schools were even worse. We can talk all we want about the role of individual initiative, but not having the opportunity to learn will screw you good.

FUCK BETA (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187679)

seriously, FUCK BETA

I'll keep saying too (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187691)

FUCK BETA

Re:I'll keep saying (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 6 months ago | (#46187801)

Stack Ranking only works on a short term basis where you want to trim the fat.

If you do it for too long, two things happen (a) you start cutting into good performers (b) people will not collaborate to make others look good

Plus, this is Adobe. They probably had to give up after HR was the victim of 15 stack-smashing attacks in a row.

Re:I'll keep saying (1)

chispito (1870390) | about 6 months ago | (#46187831)

Stack Ranking only works on a short term basis where you want to trim the fat.

If you do it for too long, two things happen (a) you start cutting into good performers (b) people will not collaborate to make others look good

What Adobe's talking about shouldn't be revolutionary. They're just formalizing good management technique. I'm fortunate to have a great manager that already provides and accepts this kind of ongoing, timely feedback. That we have to also do the annual, stack-ranked review process is, well, unfortunate.

Re:I'll keep saying (2)

DickBreath (207180) | about 6 months ago | (#46187855)

Stack Ranking works forever. Just like Downsizing. It's like printing money. It's infinitely scalable. Furthermore Stack Ranking is sustainable -- indefinitely. Any MBA could have told you that.

And as for your talk of "good performers" those are just the creative people who upset the apple cart and don't fit into the mold properly. The worker units are all supposed to be interchangeable like spark plugs. You run them until you burn them out, then throw them away. Geez, have you even been to business school?

Re:I'll keep saying (4, Insightful)

eulernet (1132389) | about 6 months ago | (#46188159)

If you do it for too long, two things happen (a) you start cutting into good performers (b) people will not collaborate to make others look good

You are wrong.
As soon as stack-ranking is used (and not after "too long"), it shows that the individual performance is more important than the group's performance, so collaborating goes against your own interest.
Once everybody is focused on his own agenda, the best performers are getting tired by the competition and thus quit their job to a better living place.

Basically, stack-ranking encourages selfishness.

Re:I'll keep saying (1)

richlv (778496) | about 6 months ago | (#46188419)

but what about static website without comments ? that would be slashdot beta, of course ! ;)

Re:I'll keep saying (0)

synapse7 (1075571) | about 6 months ago | (#46188455)

But how did they get rid of Beta?

Wait a minute... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187271)

...where are the FUCK BETA replies?

Have we already discussed... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187275)

how sucky the beta is

Beta betta bugga off (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187293)

or we will.

Yours, your content providers.

Can Adobe also get rid of... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187297)

...the new beta design?

No commenting? A flaw? (-1, Offtopic)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 6 months ago | (#46187303)

Is this correct? With the new (beta) design, there is no article commenting? Or is this just a flaw in the beta? Even with commenting, the design really suck. Lot's of white space and "design" ... Short on content, almost unreadable.

Comment from Beta (1)

ripvlan (2609033) | about 6 months ago | (#46187635)

Hey look - this is a comment input from the beta.

I'll give you the white space. It feels like we've all got pitchforks and are standing at the gates of the User Experience.

Maybe the UX designer got a deal on whitespace from the cloud vendor. Next will be pastel colors and strange thin outlined buttons that convey nothing to the user until they click them (cough... iOS7).

Re:Comment from Beta (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 6 months ago | (#46187775)

Maybe my work browser isn't processing the Comment JS correctly. Odd...

Immature (5, Insightful)

The Cat (19816) | about 6 months ago | (#46187321)

Stack ranking is for managers who are not grown-ups.

Train your people. Teach them to improve. Defend them while they learn. Make them better and they will make the company better.

If you are in charge and something goes wrong, it's your responsibility. It's your fault. And if it isn't your fault, it's still your fault because you're the manager.

You are responsible. 100% of the time. No exceptions.

Take responsibility for your job and do your job. Train your people. Take care of your people. Grow up.

Re:Immature (1)

tFunc (2618093) | about 6 months ago | (#46188379)

Stack ranking is for managers who are not grown-ups.

Train your people. Teach them to improve. Defend them while they learn. Make them better and they will make the company better.

If you are in charge and something goes wrong, it's your responsibility. It's your fault. And if it isn't your fault, it's still your fault because you're the manager.

You are responsible. 100% of the time. No exceptions.

Take responsibility for your job and do your job. Train your people. Take care of your people. Grow up.

Well said. Wish I still had mod points for this.

Fuck Beta (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187337)

Please post this to new articles if it hasn't been posted yet. (Copy-paste the html from here [pastebin.com] so links don't get mangled!)

On February 5, 2014, Slashdot announced through a javascript popup that they are starting to "move in to" the new Slashdot Beta design. Slashdot Beta is a trend-following attempt to give Slashdot a fresh look, an approach that has led to less space for text and an abandonment of the traditional Slashdot look. Much worse than that, Slashdot Beta fundamentally breaks the classic Slashdot discussion and moderation system.

If you haven't seen Slashdot Beta already, open this [slashdot.org] in a new tab. After seeing that, click here [slashdot.org] to return to classic Slashdot.

We should boycott stories and only discuss the abomination that is Slashdot Beta until Dice abandons the project.
We should boycott slashdot entirely during the week of Feb 10 to Feb 17 as part of the wider slashcott [slashdot.org]

Moderators - only spend mod points on comments that discuss Beta
Commentors - only discuss Beta
  http://slashdot.org/recent [slashdot.org] - Vote up the Fuck Beta stories

Keep this up for a few days and we may finally get the PHBs attention.

-----=====##### LINKS #####=====-----

Discussion of Beta: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=56395415 [slashdot.org]

Discussion of where to go if Beta goes live: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3321441 [slashdot.org]

Alternative Slashdot: http://altslashdot.org [altslashdot.org] (thanks Okian Warrior (537106) [slashdot.org] )

Slashdot, make Beta permanent NOW! (-1, Offtopic)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 6 months ago | (#46187841)

Slashdot, obviously you have a lot of beta haters. The solution is to make Beta permanent now, to drive them all away. I don't mind it and from what I've seen you'll lose no users of real value. Do you let a crotchety handful of people be the albatross that drags your site down into irrelevance, feel free to move forward no matter how loud the screams are from a tiny minority.

The constant whining of the Beta Assholes has made me a staunch supporter of Beta, or indeed any other changes you care to make to the site. The enemies of progress must not be allowed to win.

Re:Slashdot, make Beta permanent NOW! (2, Insightful)

Arith (708986) | about 6 months ago | (#46187923)

I for one am half with you, yet not.
I'm getting sick of seeing "down with beta" etc. Versus the discussion I like seeing.
At the same time this 'handful of crotchety people' seems to have made quite a loud noise, and seem to make up quite a few people.... and they have a point. Beta is not ready. To say that they(slashdot) were going to make beta mandatory in the near future, in a similar state it's in now. THAT is a joke.

We might be sick of seeing it, but I think it's a necessary evil. Now if we could get this kind of response to truly important matters *cough*NSA*cough* then we might have some hope for humanity.

Re:Slashdot, make Beta permanent NOW! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46188215)

no sign of a trend yet, perhaps there is a twitbook tag? http://www.google.co.uk/trends... [google.co.uk]

Re:Slashdot, make Beta permanent NOW! (1)

richlv (778496) | about 6 months ago | (#46188427)

it's not just not ready, it is a complete disaster. and i had to see it to agree with those people

When did stack ranking start? (2)

0123456 (636235) | about 6 months ago | (#46187349)

Because this could explain why the Adobe software I used in the 90s and early 2000s (e.g. Premiere) was such a crash-ridden heap of bugs.

Re:When did stack ranking start? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187423)

This effectively rules out any Linux 2.0-based systems. And considering the uptimes needed to get on the list (659 is the lowest when I'm writing this), Linux 2.2 has had very little time getting on the list. Should've been up since sometime around the end of april 1999 (somebody check this?). This allows for about 3-4 months from the release of linux 2.2.0, which means that the only admins to put this on their webservers would be freaks who just gotta have the latest bleeding-edge thingy running their server, and I'm very sure that these freaks have upgraded their systems since. Furthermore, this rules out any linux-kernel newer than 2.2.7 (which was released april 27, 1999) Now, if I remember correctly, 2.2.0 - 2.2.4 had *issues*. (and 2.2 didn't get wide acceptance before sometime after 2.2.10 or so... no wait... Red Hat released a version with some 2.2.5-version, I think... Of course, that proves nothing.)

Their "WE CARE" = REVOLVING DOOR (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187363)

Dice Holdings, Your "We care" post is a joke. You don't care. You keep on saying we want your feedback. You assure us you're listening but you're not. Because it's obvious NO ONE wants your Slashbeta garbage. It dumps 15 years of history and community and everything Slashdot stands for in order to whore itself out to the dumbest folk to squeeze out more revenue.

You ask us what we want, but you keep on going about your Slashbeta destruction. You keep on asking for UI UX feedback but Beta is still a terribly unprofessional piece of garbage.

Just all the glitches I see reveals it was put together but a bunch of soulless marketing fuck faces with no soul whatsoever. Fuck you for yanking this site's historic roots and turning into another generic, bland looking piece of shit site that is UI UX design... All individuality ruined by shit walled gardens. The creative, free internet is further lost with the existence of Slashbeta. DOWN WITH BETA.

Too much beta to fuck (-1, Offtopic)

jovius (974690) | about 6 months ago | (#46187399)

What's that huge block of text doing there? Even the long summaries without paragraphs looked better on the classic site.

The site is transforming from iconic to mediocre. A 90s design paradigm in a modern responsive framework. New entry for the producers' CV: updated the website, killed the community.

I don't like Beta (-1, Offtopic)

blue_teeth (83171) | about 6 months ago | (#46187407)

Please drop the idea of this Beta. Thank you.

Reviews (3, Interesting)

djupedal (584558) | about 6 months ago | (#46187419)

In Japan, the Manager is responsible if an employee screws up. If an individual does something merit worthy, the entire team takes credit. As well, the freshman hires have no say in their job assignment - higher ups work all that out and take any heat...they sort it later as skills and relationships mature.

Re:Reviews (1)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | about 6 months ago | (#46188103)

That sounds noble. But I think it's noteworthy that about the only Japanese software I ever come across is hiding in embedded systems. So I'm not sure we can point to that Japanese model as something we should clearly emulate.

Moderators are Dice shills (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187425)

Hence all the downvotes the anti-beta posts are getting.

Fuck beta, fuck the moderators.

storm drain (3, Interesting)

epine (68316) | about 6 months ago | (#46187455)

The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. — F. Scott Fitzgerald

Stack ranking, meet regression to the mean.

Yes, p accomplishes 1-p (for some p, always) but it's not necessarily the same people in the p pie slice year over year. The Pareto does not state that 20% of the people with account for 80% of the output and will continue to do so, because as we all know 100% of what drives performance is whether you have it, or you don't, end of story.

Sapolsky on Heights And Lengths And Areas Of Rectangles [edge.org] :

The problem with "a" gene-environment interaction is that there is no gene that does something. It only has a particular effect in a particular environment, and to say that a gene has a consistent effect in every environment is really only to say that it has a consistent effect in all the environments in which it has been studied to date. This has become ever more clear in studies of the genetics of behavior, as there has been increasing appreciation of environmental regulation of epigenetics, transcription factors, splicing factors, and so on. And this is most dramatically pertinent to humans, given the extraordinary range of environments—both natural and culturally constructed—in which we live.

What does stack-ranking achieve as a long-term evolutionary pressure? It helps the company accumulate the people who are best at concealing their dips, no matter how the chill winds blow.

Just what you want cultivate, a whole cadre of engineers specializing in meteorology.

There was a different passage about genetics I was trying to find. A population will only retain multiple genetic phenotypes if each of those phenotypes is advantageous in some circumstance or environment. Any phenotype that dominates across the board, in nearly every circumstance, soon extinguishes the competition.

That we have so many phenotypes indicates that human circumstance is extremely fluid.

Re:storm drain (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187505)

This constant Slashdot mantra of Freedom == Choice is both naive and self-centered.
Freedom is not the ability to do whatever you want. A society that is Free because it has no slavery, is not "free" by your definition because people aren't free to own slaves. A society that is politically Free is not "free" by your definition because people aren't free to politically surpress others.

Freedom always exists in context. We live in a society, and everything we do is strongly affected by those around us. The only way to ensure our freedom is to demand that the society actively protect our freedoms (and in turn, each of us individually protect each other's freedoms).

It is only in this way that support for freedom can make any sense. With your argument you rail against RMS for wanting you to use Free Software, all because you don't want to be condemned for using proprietary software. And yet, that proprietary software very clearly restricts what you can do. All RMS is saying is saying what he thinks you should do, but the proprietary software makers not only tell you what you should do, but what you must do (or not do), under threat of legal action. And RMS is the bad guy?

How does it help freedom to let a person sell themselves into slavery? How does it help freedom to impose voluntary censorship? How does it help freedom to accept proprietary software?

RMS views software in a moral and principled manner. This bothers you, because you don't do so, and you don't even want to be reminded of moral distinctions. If you had larger moral goals which proprietary software helped achieve, I could respect that -- even if I didn't agree with your goals, I would still respect you for having convictions. But I seriously doubt you -- or all the other free==choice advocates -- have any moral passion that drives you to be critical of those who do
If you were a privacy advocate that developed encryption algorithms in the public domain so they could be used in proprietary programs, then it would make sense: you value privacy above the freedom of your code. If you were a misguided FBI programmer making closed email sniffing programs, at least I could see where you were coming from. And if you are someone who can only get a job developing closed software, then I can empathize. But why would you attack those who have chosen not to make compromises? If you learn RMS's convictions and say, "I cannot choose that path", that is a choice for you to make. But why do you fault RMS for expressing his convictions? Why do you fault him for defining what he thinks is right without compromise? Why do you fault him for making explicit the differences between his ideas, and the compromised and sanitized ideas of Open Source?

And again... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187517)

Beta will continue until morale improves
(captcha: miscarry)

There is a lesson here for slashdot (5, Insightful)

Arker (91948) | about 6 months ago | (#46187525)

" 'The aim is to give people information when they need it rather than months after teachable moments have passed,' "

This is a very important thing, and it's kind of sad that it IS something that people in business sometimes realize, rather than being something we could assume everyone capable of forming complete sentences understands.

And that's why it is really important that Timothy, who thinks we form a passive 'audience' here, who somehow imagines that occasionally pushing the button to publish a user submission under his name, without even fixing the obvious typos first, qualifies him as the creator of the site, really needs to feel some backlash today. Not in 6 months when the whole site goes, today.

It's also why each and every member of the staff that encouraged the delusion that this 'beta' was a reasonable, workable idea needs to be gone now. Not in 6 months when the whole site goes, today.

Because those teachable moments are short, and these are not minor little mistakes anyone could make. These are possibly the biggest mistakes anyone in their position could make, in regards to their work. They are mistakes that you would expect from someone who was just recruited from a business school last week and had spent no more than 20 minutes lurking before deciding to change everything.

Re:There is a lesson here for slashdot (2, Interesting)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 6 months ago | (#46187833)

Can you imagine what the Beta site dev team's reviews will be like?

"Well, everyone hated it so much they threatened to leave the site. A few went off and set up alternatives, some organized a boycot, others just bitched about it in every single story. The entire project seems to be a complete disaster and everyone wants to keep the old site. On the plus side you managed to get a personal best 27 buzzwords per paragraph into the requirements spec, so well done and here's your bonus."

Re:There is a lesson here for slashdot (1)

Arrogant-Bastard (141720) | about 6 months ago | (#46188157)

This. One hundred times this.

The teachable moment for Dice is RIGHT NOW. They can either admit what everyone knows (that Beta is a horrible downgrade and should be killed immediately) or they can let their massive out-of-control egos continue to drive their decision making...and drive Slashdot right off a cliff.

The question that remains is whether they're smart enough to realize that, or whether they will persist on the path they've chosen -- which leads inexorably to a future where people talk about Slashdot in the past tense and catalog its downfall alongside that of other sites whose operators failed to listen to their masters: US.

My money is on the latter. Every response I've seen so far from them is full of PR happytalk and bullshit. I think they truly believe that they can pull this off if they lie about it long enough and consistently enough. After all, that's how business is done these days, for the most part.

Rank System: Beta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187541)

Fuck beta

Advice from how to run a company from Adobe (1)

BitZtream (692029) | about 6 months ago | (#46187593)

Is not something I really want, ever.

I love Beta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187607)

The Beta version rocks. I like it, I like it a lot.
Don't understand the beef you have with Dice or the Beta.

Why would Slashdot remove the classic design? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187621)

Because they want to lose users and shut down the site. That's why.

Ricky said it best. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187625)

Fuck this court. Fuck Jim Lahey. Fuck Randy. Fuck those two idiot cops right there. Fuck suit dummies. As a matter of fact fuck legal aid. Fuck Danny and Terry's Buffalo Chicken Wings. Fuck all the old wood in here. Fuck the moon. Fuck corn on the cob. Fuck squirrels. Fuck me, fuck you, FUCK BETA!

And fuck you, Dice

http://AltSlashdot.org/

Ricky said it best. (-1, Offtopic)

computersareevil (244846) | about 6 months ago | (#46187661)

Fuck this court. Fuck Jim Lahey. Fuck Randy. Fuck those two idiot cops right there. Fuck suit dummies. As a matter of fact fuck legal aid. Fuck Danny and Terry's Buffalo Chicken Wings. Fuck all the old wood in here. Fuck the moon. Fuck corn on the cob. Fuck squirrels. Fuck me, fuck you, FUCK BETA!

And fuck you, Dice

http://altslashdot.org/ [altslashdot.org]

Reposting logged-in to get it ranked higher.

Re:Ricky said it best. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46188251)

fuckbeta.com is still available, 3, 2, 1, ....

Adobe is a glitch-ridden heap of garbage (1)

ikhider (2837593) | about 6 months ago | (#46187665)

Too much time and effort is spent on verifying whether the user is a paying customer rather than making their software work. It crashes frequently, freezes up, the 'tech support' is useless, installing and updating is a nightmare. Furthermore, if you are a Adobe cloud user and not near an internet connection (to verify you are a paying user, even though you paid and installed everything) it will not work until you get near a hotspot to sign in and then you can use it. Somehow, we are forced to use this crap in the industry. Even if they open a linux port, I am not sure that will make Adobe less glitch-ridden.

If Adobe is doing it... (0)

dysmal (3361085) | about 6 months ago | (#46187673)

Doesn't necessarily mean it's a good thing. When was the last time Adobe did something with peoples best interests in mind or anything that would be considered even remotely humane? If Adobe hated /. Beta, that would be one of the only ways i'd even consider embracing it.

Yep, that makes sense (5, Insightful)

neminem (561346) | about 6 months ago | (#46187695)

Since one of the things that drives me the MOST crazy about my current job, and MOST makes me think about quitting, is in fact the near-constant requests for writing various self-assessments, goal documents, and other such things that are not actually related to my job, and which don't actually seem to be used for anything other than making the people responsible for requiring all of those documents look like they're doing useful things. Drives me crazy. After all that, our performance reviews tend to basically say "yep, you're doing fine. Have a raise that is exactly in line with inflation, just like everyone else is getting."

Re:Yep, that makes sense (4, Insightful)

sydbarrett74 (74307) | about 6 months ago | (#46188521)

That self-assessment stuff is mostly wankery. I want my boss to be candid about what I'm doing right, and what I'm doing wrong. And tell me then and there, not six months later.

Re:Yep, that makes sense (1)

ISoldat53 (977164) | about 6 months ago | (#46188531)

Crap! They want managers to manage? If they do that how are they going to have time to kiss ass. Every manager I ever had had me write my own evaluation. Modern management is down-up "What can my employees do for me," in stead of what can I, as a manager, do to make my employees more productive.

fuck beta! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187711)

Dice made it perfectly clear that, even after all the backlash, Classic will soon be gone:
"Most importantly, we want you to know that Classic Slashdot isn't going away until we're confident that the new site is ready."
Dice ignores our complaints, while pretending to listen. Ruining every single discussion is the only option we have left.
Beta delenda est!

involuntary departures have increased by 50% (2)

fredness (95020) | about 6 months ago | (#46187715)

Sounds kind of intimidating.

Re:involuntary departures have increased by 50% (2)

Moof123 (1292134) | about 6 months ago | (#46188057)

Yeah, that caught my eye too.

Dead wood needs to be cleared out, and I am curious if that is what is going on, or if it is just creating a climate of fear. Dead wood generally doesn't up and leave because of a bad review, good talent with other options does. Think Wally vs. Dilbert. Wally learns to burrow in year after year, Dilbert pulls his hair our over the failures he didn't cause but gets blamed for. So in the common stack system, dead wood tends to accumulate despite poor reviews, and good guys who just had a rough year end up motivated to leave.

Re:involuntary departures have increased by 50% (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46188111)

Ah so the existing top stack ranked employees figured out how to get rid of who they dont like without having to bother to get rid of someone else at the same time. Give it 2-3 more years before showing real results.

Fuck beta!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187765)

Fuck beta!!!
That's what happen when clueless MBAs are in charge...
Fuck Slashdot beta, stop this madness;.

Misread (1)

xymog (59935) | about 6 months ago | (#46187769)

I misread "stack-rank" as "slack-rank." Not sure there's a difference. Glass is half full or half empty either way.

THIS IS WHY SLASHDOT IS DOOMED (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187791)

Alice Hill
http://www.linkedin.com/in/alicehill

PRESIDENT OF SLASHDOT MEDIA

Proven track record innovating and improving iconic websites (CNET.com, Dice.com, Slashdot.org, Sourceforge.net) while protecting their voice and brand integrity; extensive board level and governance experience especially with non-profit volunteer communities, open source developers, and local chapters and projects worldwide.

This is who CMDRTACO handed the reigns to. I don't know who to be mad at... The current Dice faggot fucks or the original Slashdot folk who basically left what once was the greatest discussion on the internet to the WORST SOULLESS hands possible.

Down with Beta.

BETA (-1, Flamebait)

ppff (936472) | about 6 months ago | (#46187843)

no more beta!

RIP SLASHDOT (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46187915)

Dice holdings may claim that their activism is motivated by compassion
      or by moral principle, and moral principle does play a role for the
      Dice holdings employee of the oversocialized type. But compassion and moral principle
      cannot be the main motives for leftist activism. Hostility is too
      prominent a component of leftist behavior; so is the drive for power.
      Moreover, much Dice Holdings behavior is not rationally calculated to be of
      benefit to the people whom the leftists claim to be trying to help.
      For example, if one believes that affirmative action is good for black
      people, does it make sense to demand affirmative action in hostile or
      dogmatic terms? Obviously it would be more productive to take a
      diplomatic and conciliatory approach that would make at least verbal
      and symbolic concessions to white people who think that affirmative
      action discriminates against them. But Dice Holdings do not take
      such an approach because it would not satisfy their emotional needs.
      Helping black people is not their real goal. Instead, race problems
      serve as an excuse for them to express their own hostility and
      frustrated need for power. In doing so they actually harm black
      people, because the activists' hostile attitude toward the white
      majority tends to intensify Slashdot mutiny.

Re:RIP SLASHDOT (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46188407)

why does it say "coming soon" on the tabs at the top. I havent looked at this BEta thing until today but thts a bit pants. almost like a bug.

And yet, Flash still sucks (1, Insightful)

GPS Pilot (3683) | about 6 months ago | (#46188053)

Every time Adobe releases a new version of Flash, I install it, hoping against hope that finally Flash will no longer crash several times per week (or drain my laptop battery like a vampire). If Adobe has such enlightened management, why haven't those things been fixed?

Re:And yet, Flash still sucks (1)

hack slash (1064002) | about 6 months ago | (#46188489)

What pisses me off about Adobe's Flash is the installer, every time it asks me to update it asks me wether I want to have it automatically updated in future, or ask me, or never. I select ask me, and it asks me every fucking time, I bet if I selected the automatically one it would never ask me again.

It's annoying nagware, and they'll never change that aspect because they just want everyone to blindly accept every new version they shove out.

And it's still shite at playing video in a webpage compared to a standalone video player.

Huge Sycophant DOT Com writes (-1)

ShaunC (203807) | about 6 months ago | (#46188115)

...Slashdot beta is like an alcoholic's turd. Slimy, runny, if it even has any substance at all. Mostly it's just burning liquid.

Re:Huge Sycophant DOT Com writes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46188373)

How dare you!

I'm an alcoholic, and I can assure you that my turds have FAR more substance than Slashdot Beta.

Amazing! (2)

sootman (158191) | about 6 months ago | (#46188433)

"There is no prescribed format or frequency for these conversations, and managers don't complete any forms or use any technologies to guide or document what happens during such conversations. They are simply expected to have regular check-ins to convey what is expected of employees, give and get feedback, and help employees with their growth and development plans."

So instead of having some ridiculous regimented (10-question, 2 page form weekly! monthly! quarterly!) bullshit, they're going to let their managers be humans, and let them manage their employees? What a ground-breaking idea. Let me jot that down somewhere.

Just like saving a file... (1)

sydbarrett74 (74307) | about 6 months ago | (#46188503)

Feedback from our bosses should be like saving a file: early and often. I can't tell you how many times I've heard of a manager showing his/her dissatisfaction too late: during 'the talk' about the direct report being let go.
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