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Windows Replacement? ReactOS 0.3.16 Gets Themes, CSRSS Rewrite, and More

timothy posted about 6 months ago | from the but-does-it-run-dosbox? dept.

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jeditobe writes with this announcement from the ReactOS home page: "The ReactOS Project is pleased to announce the release of version 0.3.16. A little under a year has passed since the previous release and a significant amount of progress has been made. More than 400 bugs were eliminated. Some of the most significant include completion of the CSRSS rewrite and the first stages of a shell32 rewrite. 0.3.16 is in many ways a prelude to several new features that will provide a noticeable enhancement to user visible functionality. A preview can be seen in the form of theme support, which while disabled by default can be turned on to demonstrate the Lautus theme developed by community member Maciej Janiszewki. Another user visible change is a new network card driver for the RTL8139, allowing ReactOS to support newer versions of QEMU out of the box." You can download release images here. Want to see how it handles Windows software? Here are demos of Office 2003, Photoshop CS2, and OpenMPT.

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Please stop the redirection to beta (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46204481)

You claim you heard us and are working on fixing the shortcomings of beta. Then why do you keep redirecting us randomly to it, knowing it is defective in its current state ?
Stop redirecting, fix the problems as you perceive them to be, and try again.

Many opponents of beta don't believe that it is possible to fix it, but that is irrelevant. If YOU believe it needs fixing and that it is possible, your current random redirection of large groups of visitors does not make sense. It only infuriates people. The redirection to a broken product is likely the single reason for the protest in the comments to continue, and only drives more people to the alternative slashdot initiatives. Most people would probably be happy to
wait and see how you fix beta, but no, you have to push it in our face every 4th time we visit, broken as it is.

On the other hand, if you think beta is fine, and it is ok to redirect people there, then why not simply disable classic altogether and get it over with ?

kind regards,
your "audience"

Re:Please stop the redirection to beta (0, Offtopic)

LookIntoTheFuture (3480731) | about 6 months ago | (#46204625)

...then why not simply disable classic altogether and get it over with ?

This has me stumped too. Dice obviously doesn't give a fuck about our family. The current Slashdot without the beta has more value than they could possibly understand, and they are going to flush it down the toilet so they can pursue their "vision" of caching in on the Slashdot name. Which won't make them money like they think it will. Sad, indeed.

Mod me down too. It really doesn't matter any more.

Re: Please stop the redirection to beta (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46204875)

the toilet so they can pursue their "vision" of cashing in on the Slashdot name.

LOL! Family. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46205683)

Family, listen to your bullshit. There isn't any family here. Just two herds here. The circle-jerking Linux zealots, who are the most pissed about the Beta, and the rest of us nerds/geeks/old-timers, and we really don't give a fuck. Dice just doesn't care about people like YOU, nor should they.

Re:Please stop the redirection to beta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46204645)

Hear hear

Re:Please stop the redirection to beta (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46204735)

Using the URL http://slashdot.org/?nobeta=1 [slashdot.org] should fix that.

Re:Please stop the redirection to beta (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46205429)

Unfortunately, the way things currently are, that is not a fix. It is an insult.

Frankly, Dice is handling this in the worst way possible. It does not only show that they completely fail to understand the community here, apparently they also have no clue on how to appease an unhappy "audience" in general either.

Re:Please stop the redirection to beta (-1, Offtopic)

LVSlushdat (854194) | about 6 months ago | (#46205507)

Dice's response to the crap that is beta is surrealistically like EA's response to the mindless rollout of the latest SimCity.. I find it difficult to see what Dice brought to the table when they bought Slashdot.. unless their plan was to destroy it, in which case they're doing a bang-up job... You Go!! Dice..

Obligatory.. FUCK BETA!!

Solution for RSS? (0)

psychonaut (65759) | about 6 months ago | (#46205579)

Does that query string also work for the RSS feed? Because I don't browse Slashdot by visiting the front page; I use a feed aggregator and click through to interesting articles that way.

What's wrong with the beta? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46204761)

I only occasionally visit the actual /. site (instead preferring to digest my news via feed-reader), but when I did last week, I was immediately pleased with the aesthetics of the redesign. What are the (perhaps not-so-subtle) nuances I'm missing with which people are so unhappy?

Re:What's wrong with the beta? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46204915)

Have some comparison screenshots [imgur.com] . First, between the first two pics, note that slashdot's solution to the problem that after you get three-four comments deep in a conversation it becomes unreadable is to just not show comments beyond that point unless you repeatedly mash the get more comments button (compare to Reddit's solution of having a link directly to the rest of the thread). Also note how little text fits on the screen in the beta version compared to the classic version.

For the third screenshot, note how the fonts for different comments are different for no reason, and how small the comment box is. It's also worth noting that they've removed the maxlength attribute on the comment subject box, so instead of the browser telling you when you've reached the limit, your subject is truncated.

Re:Please stop the redirection to beta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46205775)

I see your post isn't about ReactOS. So STFU, loser.

Re:Please stop the redirection to beta (2)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | about 6 months ago | (#46205857)

by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 10, 2014 @06:47AM

Weren't you folks supposed to be on some boycott this week?

Re:Please stop the redirection to beta (3, Insightful)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 6 months ago | (#46205963)

Note that so far there has been no admission of just how bad the beta is, only promises to implement missing features and fiddle with the layout. They don't think it is badly broken, that's the problem. It just needs polishing and some more features in their minds.

The end is coming. The acknowledgement of the problems changed nothing, other than to stop the protests. It seems like most people are just waiting for the end now, consciously or not.

Please stop the denial of service spam comments (2, Insightful)

dbIII (701233) | about 6 months ago | (#46206819)

The bitching about beta looks like it could drive me away from this place before I even see beta.
WTF should we have to wade past hundreds of offtopic posts before we get to the comments about the article?

a better Beta (4, Informative)

tirnacopu (732831) | about 6 months ago | (#46204483)

Slashdot will soon return as http://soylentnews.org/ [soylentnews.org]

Re:a better Beta (0, Offtopic)

fisted (2295862) | about 6 months ago | (#46204849)

mod parent up

Re:a better Beta (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46204883)

Slashdot will soon return as http://soylentnews.org/ [soylentnews.org]

Down-mod all you want, you can't stop the signal.

Re:a better Beta (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46204943)

Show a fully-functional site first and then we'll talk. You have to be better than the Slashdot Beta at least. Currently you do not have anything to show.

Re:a better Beta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46206647)

... you can't take the sky from meeee.

version 0.3.16. (1)

rossdee (243626) | about 6 months ago | (#46204497)

Wake me when it gets to version 1.0 at least

Re: version 0.3.16. (2)

jfdavis668 (1414919) | about 6 months ago | (#46204523)

ReactOS is like Google. Will remain in Beta for years.

Re: version 0.3.16. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46204627)

At least their Betas are good.

Not like, you know, Slashdot Beta.

Yeah, fuck it.

Re: version 0.3.16. (4, Funny)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 6 months ago | (#46204837)

Sort of a master Beta, if you will.

Re: Beta, unlike Windows (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46206677)

Sure, ReactOS is beta, they're honest about it. Unlike Microsoft which ships randomly crashing Windows and that it's ready for business.

Re: version 0.3.16. (2)

enharmonix (988983) | about 6 months ago | (#46204655)

Worth putting it in a VM and at least trying it out, isn't it? However, I'm with you when it comes to putting on a real machine. I'll wait until 1.0.

Hi (-1, Troll)

C00lb34nz (3531061) | about 6 months ago | (#46204717)

My first post, hi all. What's a vm? Will this run on my dell win8 laptop ok, without ruining my current setup? Thanks. :-)

Re:Hi (2)

Koen Lefever (2543028) | about 6 months ago | (#46204777)

What's a vm? Will this run on my dell win8 laptop ok, without ruining my current setup?

Virtual Machine [wikipedia.org] , yes a VM will run on your computer and allow you to test ReactOS safely.

Oh ok (1)

C00lb34nz (3531061) | about 6 months ago | (#46204831)

Thanks.

Re:Hi (-1, Troll)

Hognoxious (631665) | about 6 months ago | (#46204855)

Do VMs run linux? And are they webscale, or do they use joins like slashdot beta?

Re:Hi (1)

mjwalshe (1680392) | about 6 months ago | (#46205581)

doesn't seem to like installing on ESXI 5.1 though

Re:Hi (2)

fizzer06 (1500649) | about 6 months ago | (#46205807)

Only one way to find out. Burn the Live version and boot it.

Re:Hi (5, Funny)

Somebody Is Using My (985418) | about 6 months ago | (#46204953)

I see the new Beta is managing to attract new readers! Welcome!

A VM or "virtual machine" is a type of computer program that creates an emulated software environment. Not that any real person actually knows what that means. Think of it as a sort of a computer that runs on another computer. You can run multiple "virtual machines" on a single computer; then you give access to individual "VM" to all your clients or employees. Busy executives like yourself love VMs because it saves them so much money on hardware; why waste money on 100 servers when you can just buy one and make it look like you have 100 computers! All your peons down in IT would probably recommend against running it on Windows8, but that's just because they like running complicated things like Linux. Windows 8 can handle VMs just fine, and - thanks to its colorful and touch-friendly interface - it's so easy to use that you can fire all those overpaid geeks and have your secretary handle everything for you. Think of the cost savings!

I hope that helps; this is just one of those useful tips you'll find on the new Slashdot, now featuring shorter articles and nice big pictures. Not only has Slashdot has been redesigned to make all this computer gibberish more palatable and understandable for management and accounting types, but we've hidden all the comments from all those grumpy greybeards and nerds to make for a better C-level executive experience! Thanks for coming, and enjoy your stay!

Re:Hi (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46205175)

If you are not a troll and this is a serious question: If you don't know what a VM is, don't try to use something like ReactOS. Start with something easier, like Ubuntu.

If you are a troll, very well done.

Re:Hi (0)

WhirledOne (213095) | about 6 months ago | (#46205813)

VM means Voice of Music (http://www.thevoiceofmusic.com/ [thevoiceofmusic.com] ).

VM was a US company that was a major manufacturer of record changers, especially in the 1960's and early 70's. While VM did not sell a lot of phonographs under its own name, and thus may not be well-known to most Americans, it sold millions and millions of changers on an OEM basis to a lot of US manufacturers. Often these had customized elements such as tone arms and trim, and badged with the purchasing company's brand name, so as to appear distinctive to the end user.

VM also produced tape recorders and tape mechanisms to be OEM'ed to other companies, but these never attained anywhere near the sales success of their record changers.

What this has to do with Slashdot, I'm not sure. Oh, wait-- you meant another meaning of "VM". Sorry!

Re: version 0.3.16. (1)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | about 6 months ago | (#46205949)

I take a gander every couple of versions. I filed a bug report a while back, which hasn't been fixed, or at least for the ancient version of the software I was trying to run, so I'll test myself when I get the chance.

You could always try installing to a usb thumb drive.

Re: version 0.3.16. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46204927)

Inkscape went from 0.35 to 0.48 in its 11 years of existence, and is one of the very best and most useful software the free software community has produced. Don't take the 1.0 number too seriously, because there are many other numbering schemes.

Re: version 0.3.16. (1)

jordanjay29 (1298951) | about 6 months ago | (#46204955)

I've been waiting for them to hit version 0.4 for about 5 years now. The goal is admirable, but by the time ReactOS hits 1.0, I can't imagine Windows will be using the NT platform anymore.

Re: version 0.3.16. (2)

dreamchaser (49529) | about 6 months ago | (#46205085)

Windows will most likely always use a kernel and HAL based on the original NT model.

Re: version 0.3.16. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46205463)

My first post, hi all. What's a HAL? What's an NT model?

P.S. love the new Beta, keep up the good work!

Re: version 0.3.16. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46205553)

by the time ReactOS hits 1.0, I can't imagine Windows will be using the NT platform anymore.

Then a compatible alternative will be more needed than ever.

Feature Parity? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46204511)

Have the ReactOS guys reached feature parity with NT4 yet? Last time I tried it, it was almost as unusable as slashdot beta!

Re:Feature Parity? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46204621)

They started the project over from scratch recently.

Apparently the old codebase was like polishing a turd.

boycott slashdot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46204531)

please join us, currently at http://soylentnews.org/ (which will be up in few hours). Tomorrow we will start collecting suggestions for a new name for altslashdot. People will have one week to submit suggestions for a new name. Then we will have voting. If you are really an old timer, then you would know Bruce Perens. He is very excited to be working with us.

Re: boycott slashdot (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46204667)

Unless the new site runs on ReactOS, please shut the fuck up about slashdot beta.

Re: boycott slashdot (3, Interesting)

enharmonix (988983) | about 6 months ago | (#46204671)

Unless the new site runs on ReactOS, please shut the fuck up about slashdot beta.

Re: boycott slashdot (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | about 6 months ago | (#46204871)

If the new site runs on slashdot beta and you're from Soviet Russia, ReactOS shuts the fuck up about YOU.

Re: boycott slashdot (1)

richlv (778496) | about 6 months ago | (#46205079)

in my timezone, one more hour. until then, please, find the person responsible for slashdot "beta" and fuck him/her. they very much need it :)

Re: boycott slashdot (1, Insightful)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 6 months ago | (#46205983)

Sorry, some of us give a shit and don't want the site to die. Feel free to give up, but don't try to shut down other people's protests.

Join beta. (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46204541)

Join our side. It may have problems, but they can be fixed. Beta is your friend. Beta is life.

Cyrillic? (1)

Chad Smith (3448823) | about 6 months ago | (#46204549)

Do you have to think in Russian?

One day.... (5, Interesting)

Voyager529 (1363959) | about 6 months ago | (#46204611)

Now before I say anything, do know that I GREATLY applaud the efforts of the ReactOS platform. I am incredibly impressed by the huge undertaking the ReactOS team has decided to pursue. Programming an open source, binary-compatible alternative to Windows is, in my opinion, the most difficult OSS project to ever make happen - after all, Microsoft can't exactly do it right when they have the actual source code, a lot more software developers, and a LOT more money. I do one day hope to be able to use it as a primary operating system that will work with my existing hardware and software as seamlessly as it presently does with Windows, leaving Windows as a memory as the ReactOS community take the best parts of OSS development and apply it to making my very expensive Windows software run.

One day.

I really don't mean to be a jerk to the devs, because I know that I have no skill, talent, or ability to write an operating system. I know that they have to hit a constantly moving target, while making plenty of rough decisions along the way: two pieces of software exist. One doesn't work past Windows XP. One works only on Vista/7/8. Which do you make compatible? Microsoft clearly has their way of going ("forward", i.e. Win8 apps), but ReactOS could easily spur adoption by catering to people who have $5,000 pieces of hardware that are no longer made, perfectly fill their needs, and don't have drivers for >WinXP. This is a tough question to answer, and one I do not envy or posit a response.

Based on their demos, it seems that they're going the 'Open Source XP' method, as can be deduced based on their demos of Office 2003 and Photoshop CS2, the former being four revisions out of date, and the latter being five (assuming we count 'CC' as a single version). If the /only/ thing it will run is old software that is not being updated, I understand that - it's no longer a moving target, after all. However, constantly playing catch-up with Microsoft, though inherently a consequence of the nature of the project, is all but impossible to truly consider a replacement.

Perhaps I need to read up on their website or do some Google searching, but are they planning to start eyeballing Win7 at all? What about more recent iterations of DirectX? I'd love to be independently wealthy enough to dump a few million at the project, and yes, next payday I plan on sending $20 or somesuch to the cause. That doesn't mean that the devs will be able to achieve critical mass effectively.

Having said all of that, if they could get an OSS flavor of Windows ThinPC up and running (i.e. completely iron out hardware compatibility and a remote desktop client), and charge even some nominal amount for it so that companies could use it instead of ThinPC (which is stupidly licensed), that'd be a great way to start making inroads.

Re:One day.... (4, Interesting)

Belial6 (794905) | about 6 months ago | (#46204893)

I believe that you can use a standard Windows RPC client with ReactOS.

I would agree that they need to get some adoption. I think (which has no real bearing on what they should really do) they should work at getting some of those high value applications working 100% on ReactOS, and then create an installer so that the application could install into a version of ReactOS that launches the application by default and that installs into a Virtual machine. This would make ReactOS a compatibility layer for all of those old applications. Any bugs or missing features in ReactOS that are not used by the specific application would not matter.

Another option would be to try to work with someone like GOG [gog.com] . GOG already uses DosBox and ScummVM to run a lot of games. Having a system that would allow them to package old Windows games would enhance their offerings. Particularly if the system was cross platform, which ReactOS installed to a VM would be.

Re:One day.... (4, Interesting)

TheloniousToady (3343045) | about 6 months ago | (#46205007)

leaving Windows as a memory as the ReactOS community take the best parts of OSS development and apply it to making my very expensive Windows software run.

I honestly don't understand how anybody could think Windows is expensive. I really think it's cheap considering what an extremely complex piece of software it is. It's probably cheaper per byte than any other software, unless you consider free (as in beer) software. For example, I recently paid about $140 for it, but I paid $40 yesterday for a mere music program. If you think of Windows as a major component of a computer like an HDD or processor or whatever, its cost is about on the same scale.

I certainly wish the ReactOS folks well, but I'm not sure what problem ReactOS solves. Folks who are enamored with being able to customize their OS already have Linux and several other open-source choices. So, at best, ReactOS just saves me $140. I wouldn't turn that down with all things being equal, but otherwise, I would much rather pay $140 for an HDD or processor that works well than get one for free that doesn't.

Re:One day.... (3, Insightful)

Jmc23 (2353706) | about 6 months ago | (#46205065)

Something tells me 3,000,000 was around the point slashdot died.

Re:One day.... (1)

TheloniousToady (3343045) | about 6 months ago | (#46205125)

That's a convenient breaking point - why not choose 2353707 instead? Anyway, if you're suggesting that I don't subscribe to all of the Slashorthodoxy, you're exactly right. In fact, I also didn't during my past ten years as a lurker.

Re:One day.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46205845)

It is really closer to 65536

Re:One day.... (1)

TheloniousToady (3343045) | about 6 months ago | (#46206267)

It is really closer to 65536

Now that one probably even predates my time as a lurker! Then again, if only the first 65536 accounts are qualified to provide valuable content here, it's no wonder that Dice wants to pull the plug. ;-)

Re:One day.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46205097)

I got a different reading out of the GP's post. The cost being referred to was for Windows-only applications, which can easily be a lot more expensive than Windows itself. And often those specialized applications lack support for newer versions of Windows, so it doesn't matter what Windows costs: Microsoft won't sell you a version of Windows that both runs those applications and still gets bug fixes. That's the niche that ReactOS has an opportunity to fill.

Re:One day.... (1)

TheloniousToady (3343045) | about 6 months ago | (#46206247)

I got a different reading out of the GP's post. The cost being referred to was for Windows-only applications, which can easily be a lot more expensive than Windows itself.

After a careful re-reading of it, I think you're right. I guess he's looking to save the $140 or so cost of Windows itself to help with the overall software budget.

It's not about saving money (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46206665)

He clearly just wants an open source platform to run his Windows-only applications on without relying on WINE, and doesn't get abandoned like XP is about to be.

Re:One day.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46205623)

I honestly don't understand how anybody could think Windows is expensive. I really think it's cheap considering what an extremely complex piece of software it is.

The reason people use windows is because of its drivers and the programs. The drivers are developed by the hardware companies and you pay for them when you buy the hardware. The programs you pay for separately.
If you start to consider what Windows components you actually use it is horribly expensive.
A desktop program launcher with a network stack taken from bsd and some filesharing shouldn't be that expensive.

Re:One day.... (5, Informative)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | about 6 months ago | (#46205317)

ReactOS is at a point where it is as compatible as it is going to get, if you get it to a bug free state. The issue is ultimately with other Microsoft libraries that are "part" of Windows, but not. Things like MFC, ADO, VB6 runtime, Terminal services, just to name a few are things we take for granted that just aren't going to be part of ReactOS. They have proxy DLLs with functions that do nothing, but they are monumental tasks all by themselves and most software needs these tidbits to run.

Re:One day.... (3, Insightful)

Bite The Pillow (3087109) | about 6 months ago | (#46205669)

With a proper installer, an application requiring those would provide the version it needs, aka DLL hell. If some form of SxS is implemented, you get version specific runtime and no DLL hell.

There has been no need to rewrite those, for that reason, other than having stubs to link against. And since they reuse wine libs, it may be a wine stub rather than something reactos intends to work.

Once you are enlightened, your statement is now false. It will get more compatible. And if you require those libraries and it is legal do to so, you can obtain them directly from Microsoft, or the app developer, or anyone.

There is a reason they are called redistributables. Guess what that is? Go on, I'll give you a hint if you need one.

And most programs need terminal services? No, some very specific ones do. And that is the idea behind thorium virtual kickstarter. If people fund it, it will exist.

Re:One day.... (2)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | about 6 months ago | (#46206107)

Negative. You may not redistribute these packages/DLLs to a non Microsoft Windows platform. It is right in the license.

Re:One day.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46205519)

>but are they planning to start eyeballing Win7 at all?

IIRC, they are a win32 API-based OS. So, no.

Re:One day.... (2)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 6 months ago | (#46205889)

There's something of an elephant in the room with ReactOS: If it ever got good enough to become a viable alternative to Windows, it's likely that Microsoft would unleash an army of lawyers upon it. But so long as it remains nothing more than a niche tool to run legacy apps that newer versions of Windows can't, they have to reason to do so.

It's an invisible pink elephant (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46206763)

Using the belief that this will happen to avoid using ReactOS is like using the belief that the second coming of Christ will solve global warming to avoid using solar panels.

Re:One day.... (3, Interesting)

dbIII (701233) | about 6 months ago | (#46206865)

A little anecdote that exposes a bit of the can of worms. Some years ago a software developer made a little program to get files via a non-MS file serving protocol (I can't remember which one). To his astonishment it also worked with the "Microsoft" SMB file serving protocol because that turned out to have been derived from the other without attribution or money changing hands. The free software project later went on to be Samba.
MS have too much of a mess with bits from all over the place to be able to playing ownership games on anything from a few years ago. They've got better things to do than a PR disaster and feeding another team of lawyers for a decade.

Re:One day.... (1)

Trax3001BBS (2368736) | about 6 months ago | (#46206067)

Based on their demos, it seems that they're going the 'Open Source XP' method, as can be deduced based on their demos of Office 2003 and Photoshop CS2, the former being four revisions out of date, and the latter being five (assuming we count 'CC' as a single version).

I still use Photoshop CS2, I'm aware Photoshop is to be ah rented in the future if not now, seems that would be an easier install as you don't have to mess with a windows installer (Adobe ain't gonna pay for it's use). The demo uses in but it's not an on-line version.

I can't help but laugh at all the people that will be trying to reuse the key shown to unlock their Photoshops.

Re:One day.... (2)

NJRoadfan (1254248) | about 6 months ago | (#46206251)

I can't help but laugh at all the people that will be trying to reuse the key shown to unlock their Photoshops.

CS2 has been effectively "free" since Adobe turned off the activation servers and gave away the keys.

Re:One day.... (1)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | about 6 months ago | (#46206069)

The userspace application compatibility is shared with wine and will thus target whichever APIs that modern applications require.

Last I checked, they were basing their compatibility of the underlying OS on XP 5.2 (Windows Server 2003). Developing an NT clone is a moving target, when you consider MS have had several evolutions since in the form of Vista, 7 and 8. They wanted to get to a point where their OS core was stable (XP compatible) and worry about Windows 9 driver compatibilities when the product was mature enough to re-base, rather than shifting goalposts every few years.

Re:One day.... (2)

OhANameWhatName (2688401) | about 6 months ago | (#46206641)

will work with my existing hardware and software as seamlessly as it presently does with Windows

Harsh..

JAZ and ZIP drive support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46204659)

And can Norton Commander take advantage of EMS memory cards?

Slashdot replacement (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46204731)

Everybody go to http://www.soylentnews.org

Re:Slashdot replaced... with nothing (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | about 6 months ago | (#46205075)

why go nowhere?

Re:Slashdot replaced... with nothing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46205157)

Well, nothing is still better than Beta.

Anyway, try http://www.soylentnews.org/wiki/index.php?title=SoylentNews

Re:Slashdot replacement (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46206595)

Sounds good. What I suggest is that we all go to it and post "FUCK SOLYENTNEWS" comments in every thread, over and over again, until the website isn't usable.

On Topic (4, Informative)

mexsudo (2905137) | about 6 months ago | (#46204769)

"ReactOS is a free and open-source operating system based on the best design principles found in the Windows NT architecture. Written completely from scratch, ReactOS is not a Linux-based system and it shares none of the UNIX architecture. The main goal of the ReactOS project is to provide an operating system which is binary compatible with Windows. This will allow Windows applications and drivers to run as they would on a Windows system. Additionally, the look and feel of the Windows operating system is used, such that people accustomed to the familiar user interface of Windows would find using ReactOS straightforward. The ultimate goal of ReactOS is to allow people to use it as an alternative to Windows without the need to change software they are used to." anybody tried this? pretty obscure, first I heard of it.

Re:On Topic (4, Informative)

jordanjay29 (1298951) | about 6 months ago | (#46204975)

It's been around for years, quietly chugging away. The goal is admirable, but with the sluggish progress I've seen, I have little confidence that there will be an actual product someday that will operate as a FOSS platform for natively running Windows software.

10 year old software? (1)

thebes (663586) | about 6 months ago | (#46204795)

Why use 10 year old software to demo a "Windows replacement"? If a successful demo only works because it is old software, that somewhat speaks volumes.

Re:10 year old software? (2)

mysidia (191772) | about 6 months ago | (#46204861)

Why use 10 year old software to demo a "Windows replacement"? If a successful demo only works because it is old software, that somewhat speaks volumes.

Office 2007 and newer have this crappy 'ribbon bar', so since Office 2003 is so widely used... in a way it makes sense.

I also suspect the newer UI APIs aren't fully implemented, so, perhaps... indeed only the old software actually works.

Re:10 year old software? (1)

thebes (663586) | about 6 months ago | (#46205301)

I also suspect the newer UI APIs aren't fully implemented, so, perhaps... indeed only the old software actually works.

I know you are just guessing, but my counter-comment is: so they have caught up to the UI API from 10 years ago?

Re:10 year old software? (1)

Nerd Flanders (1574575) | about 6 months ago | (#46205651)

Well, with all the abandonware (or existing software that otherwise wouldn't justify an expensive update) that does't work with recent versions of Windows since Vista... Wouldn't a working, F/LOSS, maintained Windows XP replacement prove useful? After all, MS was compelled to provide a "Windows XP mode" in Win7 pro for this use case, but they won't provide XP updates any longer!

Re:10 year old software? (1)

NJRoadfan (1254248) | about 6 months ago | (#46206265)

Plenty of people are still using a 12.5 year old version of Windows for their day to day computing tasks!

Slashdot Replacement? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46204865)

Can anyone recommend a good slashdot replacement? Slashdot beta is worse than Windows!

Please read before modding down. (-1, Offtopic)

emmagsachs (1024119) | about 6 months ago | (#46205013)

I have visited this website on a near-daily basis for over a decade. I have greatly benefited from its community, whether +5 Insightful or -1 Troll. It thus saddens me to watch Slashdot be changed into a bland, cookie-cutter news site, a la the present incarnations of Engadget and Digg. I am perhaps in the minority in this, but I kindly urge you to read this post, and others like it, and to consider joining the week-long Slashcott [slashcott.com] that begins on Feb 10th. I realize that posting off-topic comments such as this is disrupting the Slashdot experience for many of you, and I do apologize for it. But can you honestly say that the new Beta interface does not already disrupt Slashdot for all of us? These anti-Beta posts can quite rightly be viewed as "a series of shock slogans and mindless token tantrums", to borrow a phrase, but since we feel that we are ignored by Dice, this is the best that I, like many other slashdotters, could come up with.

What company directs 25% of its users to a partially-working, not-ready-for-production website? Please realize that Beta will not have the features that we want, because they interfere with Dice's plans for Slashdot. Dice presents Slashdot to their advertisers as a "Social Media for B2B Technology" [slashdotmedia.com] platform. B2B - that's the reason Beta looks like a generic wordpress-based news site. To be sure, a large precentage of Slashdotters work in IT, but Slashdot is most certainly not a B2B site.

Nevertheless, Dice is desperate to make money off of Slashdot, even at the cost of losing much of its current userbase. Turning Slashdot into a social platform for IT "decision makers" is a Haily Mary attempt to recoup the failed investment Dice made in buying Slashdot. As they have revealed in a press release [diceholdingsinc.com] detailing their performance in 2013, this acquisition has not lived up to their financial expectations:

Slashdot Media was acquired to provide content and services that are important to technology professionals in their everyday work lives and to leverage that reach into the global technology community benefiting user engagement on the Dice.com site. The expected benefits have started to be realized at Dice.com. However, advertising revenue has declined over the past year and there is no improvement expected in the future financial performance of Slashdot Media's underlying advertising business. Therefore, $7.2 million of intangible assets and $6.3 million of goodwill related to Slashdot Media were reduced to zero.

The new Beta interface is not the result of a superficial makeover. Keeping in mind that Dice felt confident enough to present it as the new face of Slashdot to 25% of its visitors, it is safe to say that the new commenting and moderation system is exactly how they intended it to be. It is a new design that deliberately cripples the one thing that makes Slashdot what it is today, viz. thebest commenting and moderation system online today. From the users' perspective, there is nothing wrong with Slashdot that demands gutting its foundations and dumping the one part of Slashdot we exactly like. As others have commented, this is an attempt to monetize /. at any any cost [slashdot.org] , and its users be damned. Dice views its users, the ones who create the site [slashdot.org] , as a passive audience. As such, it is interchangeable with its intended B2B crowd. We, the current users of Slashdot, are an obstacle in Dice's way.

This is why they ignore the detailed feedback we have given them in the months since Beta was first revealed. This is also why they now disregard our grievances and complaints. Their claims of hearing us are a deliberate snow job. It is only pretense, since at the same time they openly admit that Classic will be cancelled soon [slashdot.org] :

"Most importantly, we want you to know that Classic Slashdot isn't going away until we're confident that the new site is ready.

There is a reason [slashdotmedia.com] why "News for Nerds, stuff that matters" no longer appears in the header:

Slashdot Media’s brands include Slashdot and SourceForge. These technology sites provide access to tools, software and forums for enterprise IT professionals working in all industries and companies from the world’s largest to small and medium-sized firms. Slashdot and SourceForge harness the power of social that no other tech site can compete with.

Slashdot Media provides its partners with proven integrated media strategies to effectively influence technology buyers. With over 15 years experience working with the largest and most engaged professional technology communities, Slashdot Media’s expert staff continues to contribute to the success of its partners branding, demand generation, and social media marketing programs.

Don't hold your breath waiting for Dice to fix Beta. Their vision of Slashdot is a crippled shadow of the site as it is today. Don't let them pull the wool over your eyes. Dice doesn't need us. And If you do decide to boycott /. for a week, please resist the urge to visit it just to see how the boycott is doing [slashdot.org] ...

testicularcancerdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46205143)

testicularcancerdot

About 2 Years Too Late (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46205041)

This would have been a wonderful alternative for businesses running WindowsXP now that Microsoft support is ending. But I think they are too late to the party. By the time this is ready for production deployment people will have already put other solutions into place.

Toy project (2)

ledow (319597) | about 6 months ago | (#46205259)

Is it just me that sees ReactOS as a "lab" kind of software - it's theoretical and doesn't follow the outside reality.

I can't see how it can ever catch up to, say, a lightweight virtualised Linux with Wine for those people who want to avoid a Windows licensing fee. The overhead of a full Linux is absolutely minimal on modern hardware while the hardware support and control is phenomenal.

Sure, I imagine purists prefer a ReactOS but it's really only for the purists and always has been. Which is probably why Wine etc. get much more of a developer following.

Re:Toy project (4, Informative)

TuringCheck (1989202) | about 6 months ago | (#46205451)

Actually the whole idea of ReactOS was to provide a binary compatible kernel so Windows drivers could be loaded unmodified.

At the time ReactOS was started the lack of drivers was seriously hurting Linux. Meanwhile the situation has changed and drivers for Linux are no longer something unheard of.

Also note that ReactOS and Wine share a lot of the higher level library code - in fact all libraries that are pure Win32 with no calls to native libraries.

Question re: compatability. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46205475)

The real question:
Is ReactOS going to be 100% compatible with Blue Screens, Malware and Viri?

If not, then it probably won't run enough of the software that's available.

It definitely has to pass Windows Genuine Advantage checks, I wonder how that will go....

OS/2 Warp Clone (0)

martiniturbide (1203660) | about 6 months ago | (#46205481)

I'm looking for help on an OS/2 Warp open source clone. Comments, suggestions or hate mail is welcome. Even flaming is considered good feedback on the OS/2-eCS community :) http://openwarp.blogspot.com/ [blogspot.com]

Re:OS/2 Warp Clone (1)

Trax3001BBS (2368736) | about 6 months ago | (#46206263)

I'm looking for help on an OS/2 Warp open source clone.

Comments, suggestions or hate mail is welcome. Even flaming is considered good feedback on the OS/2-eCS community :)

http://openwarp.blogspot.com/ [blogspot.com]

Alas I never could get OS/2 to install, had to set up a video camera and record the monitor while it was loading; then sneak up on the error frame by frame - was my video driver.

Being before public Internet access I was stuck. Doom was telling me to play it just one more time; and I lost interest.

OS/2 would be a very nice os to keep running, while never running it myself all around me were and was coming across as a much nicer OS than Windows was pushing.

Oh ya; I'm make a great Admin, lots of server commands I'd like to try out :}

I Wish you luck.

Windows replacement (1)

jennatalia (2684459) | about 6 months ago | (#46205981)

I'd recommend Pella, though, they are expensive. You could go with Curadco for a cheaper replacement.

I'm switching to this from XP in April (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46206713)

All I needed was evidence that audio worked, thanks!

Not surprising (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46206771)

Office 2003? Just like many open sores offerings, a decade late.

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