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Warcraft 3 Not Until 2002

Hemos posted more than 13 years ago | from the how-may-i-serve-you dept.

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Thomas M Hughes writes "Blizzard said a few weeks ago that Warcraft 3 won't be ready in 2001. While Blizzard has never been good at meeting its release deadlines, usually its a good idea. They tend to put out decent games the first time and not have as many huge fixes, just small tweaks. " They've put the announcement in the FAQ.

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Games are for antisocial losers (-1, Flamebait)

Cmdr (Fuck You) Taco (469621) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172823)

That's why I love them.

Starcraft? (0)

ghost1911 (146095) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172841)

So this means it will be longer until the next starcraft too...

Re:Starcraft? (4, Insightful)

hillct (230132) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172912)

At least they're honest about it. It's not like thay're pushing the schedule back a couple days, on a weekly basis or something. You have to admit that's a point in their favor. It's hard to find companies with this level of integrity.

Re:Starcraft? (1)

Mac Nazgul (196332) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172944)

If you check the general FAQ at blizzard's website [blizzard.com] , this question is there: Can you tell us anything about the Unannounced Project being worked on by Team 2? and blizzards reply is: It's not Starcraft II.

So it looks like you're out of luck for a sequel.

Re:Starcraft? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2173068)

That's because the people who'll do Starcraft II are busy working on Warcraft 3 right now. Blizzard has implied quite often that they plan to make a sequel for Starcraft.

Re:Starcraft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2173264)

Yeah. It would be nice if Blizzard announces their plans (in there are any) for a Starcraft sequel.

Invalid form key: XQ6kQFU8BQ ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2172843)

Invalid form key: XQ6kQFU8BQ !

Re:Invalid form key: XQ6kQFU8BQ ! (-1, Offtopic)

Cmdr (Fuck You) Taco (469621) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172847)

Well, it does look quite invalid to me.

Re:Invalid form key: XQ6kQFU8BQ ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2172860)

Invalid form key: FrFL8CgHVg. Ha.

Re:Invalid form key: XQ6kQFU8BQ ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2173082)

Try W6S09JN9Xc. I got it from a warez site.

TF2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2172846)

I remember when Team Fortress 2 was supposed to come out as an addon to Half-life. That was what, 3 and a half years ago? Last I heard it still isn't out...

i love banjo (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2172848)

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Banjo banjo banjo.

Attn Goatse.cx crew: Goat-news on CNN! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2173009)

See it here [cnn.com] !

Good games, crappy patches. (1)

GeekDork (194851) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172850)

I'm talking about Diablo 2 here. Hell, was that a hype! And it was a great game, at least until patch 1.07. From then on, it went downhill. The expansion pach is somewhat low-quality, kinda like the Hellfile add-on to the original Diablo. Somehow, they lose it when it comes to product maintenance.

Re:Good games, crappy patches. (1)

Kean de Lacy (92857) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172872)

Respectfully, I disagree. All the patches have done a decent job of fixing the more blatant bugs and attempting to address some balance problems. As someone who doesn't play barbarians, I approve.
The expansion was fully the quality of the original game, and added much more interesting stuff. There are problems with it, certainly, but 1.09 is coming out in a few days, and that should fix most of it.

Would you like to say exactly what you dislike about 1.07?

KdL

News from May. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2172852)

I've been living under a rock. Please tell me what happened earlier this year.

I claim this 2172851st (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2172853)

post for Heidi Wall. Damn, I'd like to fuck that little whore.

Forget it! (-1, Offtopic)

Cmdr (Fuck You) Taco (469621) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172862)

You're probably jerking off to some three-year-old pictures of her. That bitch has gotten old and ugly.

Re:I claim this 2172851st (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2172863)

why is comment #2172851 conspicuously absent? jesus fucking christ, banjo is a buggy piece of shit. FUCK YOU CMDRTACO LEARN TO CODE

Re:I claim this 2172851st (-1, Offtopic)

Cmdr (Fuck You) Taco (469621) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172869)

It was deleted instantly by Michael Sims.

Re:I claim this 2172851st (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2172882)

anybody know where the trolltalk hidden sid is now?

Re:I claim this 2172851st (-1, Offtopic)

Cmdr (Fuck You) Taco (469621) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172894)

It's here [goatse.cx] . (wouldn't have guessed that, eh?)

Re:I claim this 2172851st (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2172916)

you are a LIAR!!! Banjo has saved me from clicking on your evil link by informing me that the link in question is GOAT SEX. Thanks, banjo!!

Re:I claim this 2172851st (-1, Offtopic)

Cmdr (Fuck You) Taco (469621) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172931)

And who says trolltalk hasn't really moved there?

Re:I claim this 2172851st (-1, Offtopic)

pandafucker (444135) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172987)

Do you know what a panda eats? A panda eats bamboo.

Re:I claim this 2172851st (-1, Offtopic)

Cmdr (Fuck You) Taco (469621) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172993)

I'd like to fuck a panda. Goats are getting old.

Re:I claim this 2172851st (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2173112)

It got delete by micheal censormaster sims.

Is anyone surprised? (1)

Kean de Lacy (92857) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172854)

I'm more interested in what Blizzard's going to announce Labor Day weekend at ECTS.

KdL

Announcement... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2172868)

"The beer is on us."

We announce ... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2172879)

... bancruptcy

Re:Is anyone surprised? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2173204)

That Starcraft 2 will be out in 2010!

Coverage (0, Flamebait)

oddo (111788) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172865)

Why post stories about these computer games? They are not coming to any free platforms -- only those that force you to use proprietary software for every damn thing you do. (and don't tell me about dual boot -- what a moronic idea that is).

So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2172891)

Should Slashdot stop reporting about the web, just because Linux doesn't have a decent web browser?

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2172904)

Don't argue with Linux users, you can't.

Re:So what? (1)

oddo (111788) | more than 13 years ago | (#2173311)

Point me to a post where I claim I use that particular kernel.

Re:So what? (1)

oddo (111788) | more than 13 years ago | (#2173296)

Decent web browser?

I judge web browsers by

a) standards compliance
b) user interface

In my opinion, Galeon, and even Mozilla and Konqueror are far better than Internet Explorer (even on Mac OS)

Re:Coverage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2172902)

Because not everyone who uses /. limit themselves by only useing *NIX systems. And it will be available for OSX, which is as close as it gets to a melding of both worlds.

Enjoy your games of astroids, and reversie.

Re:Coverage (3, Insightful)

mindstrm (20013) | more than 13 years ago | (#2173203)

How does windows force you to use proprietary software? Just because the 'free software' crowd doesn't write software that actually works under windows?

You can get GCC for windows (and it works well). THere is no law against developing free software for windows. Poeple just *aren't doing it*

This is NEWS? (3, Insightful)

necrognome (236545) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172867)

Who is actually surprised by this? Did anyone actually expect Warcraft 3 to ship Q3 '01 when not too long ago they had only finished two of the races in the game, and hadn't done any unit balancing or multiplayer work? This is fine with me. I asked a Blizzard employee at a game convention years ago: "When will Starcraft ship?" He said, "When it's ready."

Great Story! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2172897)

"I talked to a Blizzard Employee!" Write a novel, you fucking tard.

Re:This is NEWS? (1)

tinarin (319966) | more than 13 years ago | (#2173211)

I have to agree completely. Blizzard has had a history with delivering games late, an unfortunate tradition that I expect they will continue until the end of time. This is also three weeks old! Let's have something recent in our news please!

Blizzard can take their time (2, Interesting)

Mac Nazgul (196332) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172876)

Considering the amount of hit games they have put out, I'm sure they have a sizable warchest of dough.
The only thing that comes to mind in terms of failures for Blizzard is Warcraft Adventures, which was supposed to be some animated Warcraft adventure game where you play an Orc slave. I forget exactly what happened, but the game was canceled.
But otherwise, all of their other games have been amazing fun and were devoloped for both Windoze and Macs.

Re:Blizzard can take their time (1)

AlXtreme (223728) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172952)

Actually, they canceled Adventures because they thought it wasn't good enough! This truely was a wise move, they really only want the best of the best of games. They only want perfection, thats why you'll never be sorry of buying a Blizzard game, they all become classics...


Now all i'm just hoping for is linux support

*Trying to find Loki somewhere...*

sigh...

Re:Blizzard can take their time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2173098)

What you describe was actually Warcraft III in its infancy. About a year ago, they decided to drop most of the adventure/RPG aspect of the game and make it more into a strategy game like the previous Warcrafts.

Re:Blizzard can take their time (1)

Sandman1971 (516283) | more than 13 years ago | (#2173131)

What you mention was actually Warcraft III in its infancy. About a year ago, Blizzard moved away from the RPG/Adventure aspect to turn Warcraft III into a strategy game like it's predecessors.

I also wonder why 3 month old news is being posted on Slashdot. If you want to read up on RPG news, check out Canada Gaming [canadagaming.com] , which covered this news months ago.

Damn (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2172884)

must be a slow news day.

Kauft nicht bei Juden!

old news == slashcrap (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2172887)

old news. Its going to be a great game, but thanks for posting crap guys.

Also in the faq (2)

linuxpng (314861) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172888)

Are there any plans to port a Linux version?

We are currently developing WarCraft III for the PC and Macintosh and have no plans for versions on other operating systems.


We need to put pressure on blizzard for some linux releases. Not that it was a suprise.

Re:Also in the faq (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2172928)

Shw them that there is enough demand for a Linux version, and that it would financially viable, and then I'm sure they would.

Re:Also in the faq (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2172932)

Too bad companies that put out linux games tend to go bankrupt, huh?

Re:Also in the faq (-1, Troll)

Cmdr (Fuck You) Taco (469621) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172940)

No, that's a good thing. Proprietary software is evil, and if Linux helps putting the companies out of business, let's applaud it.

Re:Also in the faq (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2173097)

Exactly. I can't wait for Loki to go out of business. All they do is encourage the younger users to soil a prestine GNU/Linux system with prorietary closed source code. Loki isn't doing anyone a favor by spreading tyranny to Free operating systems. I eagerly await the announcement that they are shutting down forever.

Not a problem - WINE!! (1)

f97hs (207508) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172949)

Really! Starcraft is one game that has always worked very well with wine. Even several years old wintages worked amazingly well. I have no doubt it will be possible to get warcraft 3 running in wine - there will be quite a lot of people working on it. Like Counterstrike. The 3d-part might be cumbersome but not impossible.

Re:Also in the faq (0)

Anonymous Pancake (458864) | more than 13 years ago | (#2173119)

maybe you haven't noticed... linux games do not sell.. look at what is happening to LOKI.. I don't blame blizzard for not wasting money on a such a small and meaningless market.

Bioware (2)

Danse (1026) | more than 13 years ago | (#2173180)

At least Bioware will be releasing Neverwinter Nights for Mac and Linux as well as Windows. Too bad the module creation tools will only run on Windows though. I was hoping Loki would do a port of those. Guess that's not too likely now.

I prefer it this way (4, Insightful)

ferratus (244145) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172899)

I'm a really big fan of everything blizzard and War3 is something I can't wait to get my hands on. Still, I prefer that they release it 6 months late (or im this case, it's been like what, 2 years ?) and have a really stable game.

I've been playing max payne lately and while it is a great game, it's buggy as hell! They can take all the time they want, as long as they release it stable.

Anyway, blizzard is just like 3drealms : Release date ? What the hell is that ??? I think they've confused "release date" with "hype date". Can you say Duke4ever [3drealms.com] ?

Max Payne is buggy? Not for me! (2)

antdude (79039) | more than 13 years ago | (#2173184)

How is that so? Max Payne has never crashed on my Pentium III 600 Mhz system. This is not a high-end system either. It is using Windows 98 (original), a Matrox G400 video card, 256 MB, etc. It is a great game, but very little replayability unless the addons/mods are good.

What symptoms are you having?

Re:I prefer it this way (1)

GeneralChud (195074) | more than 13 years ago | (#2173291)

"Still, I prefer that they release it 6 months late (or im this case, it's been like what, 2 years ?) and have a really stable game."

hrmph. i don't think they are waiting till they have golden bits to release - they are going to squeeze everything out of diablo II (including the weak expansion set for $40) before they even give us a warcraft III playable demo. blizzard releases patches for their games well after they have been released.

~chudly

Fixing after it's published (5, Informative)

SilentChris (452960) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172900)

"They tend to put out decent games the first time and not have as many huge fixes, just small tweaks."

Have to disagree with that. Normally, with games like WarCraft and StarCraft, Blizzard has been pretty good updating frequently after the release with small fixes.

But the Diablo series has had it's share of problems, the first with the hacking of the file on the local hard drive to boost your stats (which Blizzard never really fixed), and the second with being published clearly when the servers weren't ready to handle the load. Most disturbing is that many of these companies promising "massively-multiplayer RPGs" create 200,000 CDs for launch and then get surprised when more than half these users end up on their servers. It's a real problem, as countless editorials in gaming mags demonstrate.

If you're going to sell 200,000 CD's, make sure your servers can handle 200,000 users. If you're waiting to release a game "until it's done", make sure it's actually done when you release it.

Re:Fixing after it's published (1)

nEoN nOoDlE (27594) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172966)

Diablo isn't just a multiplayer game, it's single player. Is it that bad to assume that all 200,000 people will not go on to the damn server before beating the original single player game? What's bad is when the makers of World War 2 online released a couple thousand copies of the game the first day and not only couldn't handle the load, but also had thousands of bugs and missing features that were promised on the box. And WW2 Online is a multiplayer only game.

Re:Fixing after it's published (5, Insightful)

Jimmy_B (129296) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172989)

But the Diablo series has had it's share of problems, the first with the hacking of the file on the local hard drive to boost your stats (which Blizzard never really fixed), ...
This was a conceptual problem in the first game, not an implementation problem, which is why they weren't able to fix it. In Diablo 2 they created the Realms, which fix this problem by keeping the save files out of the players' hands.
... and the second with being published clearly when the servers weren't ready to handle the load. Most disturbing is that many of these companies promising "massively-multiplayer RPGs" create 200,000 CDs for launch and then get surprised when more than half these users end up on their servers.
Actually, Blizzard DID prepare for load. Before releasing they conducted a 100,000-user stress-test of their servers. What they then found was that after they released, players went directly to the realms instead of playing single-player first, creating load problems. They were quite responsible about dealing with these problems, though, working to get more bandwidth and tune the server software. Also, Diablo 2 is not and was never advertised as "massively multiplayer" (though it is multiplayer).

Blizzard's been very careful about their reputation, and thus about what software they'll put their name on. The last five Blizzard games (plus expansions) were all successes; those that weren't (see Warcraft Adventures) were cancelled or delayed and reconsidered. I have faith that they'll use the extra time to make a better game, and that had they not done so, we would've been disappointed. No, they're not perfect; no company is. But they do deserve respect for refusing to shove games out the door when they need more time, and for correcting the mistakes they do make as quickly as they can.

Score -5, (Redundant) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2172903)

you only post about 1% of the stories submitted AND THIS WAS THE BEST ONE???!!!

Von Rex (5, Insightful)

Von Rex (114907) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172909)

They tend to put out decent games the first time and not have as many huge fixes, just small tweaks.

I guess Hemos hasn't checked out the Battle.net message bases lately. Maybe after he reads his first 500 messages complaining about the endless delay for the upcoming huge patch that will fix the dozens of current bugs he'll alter his position.

And we're not talking about tweaks here. We're talking about bugs that allow certain users (druids and barbarians, I believe) to crash any other user. There's also a nasty bug that allows the stealing of entire accounts, though that won't work on all servers. These bugs have been exploited for weeks and there hasn't been any response from Blizzard. I wish they would issue some small tweaks instead of telling people to wait for the mega-patch.

And then there's the class balance issues. A lot of people think that the expansion set, along with the 1.08 patch for the normal game, have pretty much destroyed all gaming potential of Diablo 2. I don't hold quite as extreme an opinion myself, but then again, I play a sorceress, the class most people think is dramatically overpowered. If I was a warrior, trying to hack my way through hordes of "physically immune" (what a concept, what is this, DC comics?) monsters, I'd probably have a different opinion. In fact, I doubt I'd even bother playing the game.

Re:Von Rex (1)

Ty (15982) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172988)

You stupid jackass. Comments written in italics are NOT written by the slashdot editor.

This is why... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2172926)

we must demand everything be Free Software. Blizzard is taking my Stallman-given rights to play Warcraft 3 in 2001.

This came out 5/23/01? (1)

MikeyNg (88437) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172934)

Actually I think it's more along the lines of July 23, but this is old news. Sorry.


In other Blizzard news, they're supposed to make not one, but two announcements at ECTS [ects.com] this year. So we'll see how that works out.


Hurry, we need you! (2, Interesting)

Ezubaric (464724) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172937)

The lack of a recent Blizzard release has crippled the traditional college LAN party. While you can depend on a Blizzard RTS game to get off the ground quickly and finish within a couple of hours, most other strategy games either are twitch fests that finish before you can get comfortable with your laptop teetering on somebody's mini-fridge or Sim Base extravaganzas that take all night to resolve.

Starcraft can only last so long, and people are already going back to Warcraft II . . . good, balanced RTS games that don't require everyone to have a copy of the CD are quickly running out, and we're left playing dusty games, crappy RTS games, or ughh . . . first person shooters.

I want a quality Blizzard release as much as the next person, but the sooner the better . . .

Re:Hurry, we need you! (1)

KingJawa (65904) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172981)

Kohan [kohan.net] -- which /. pimped last week -- is a fantastic RTS game, and I'm told that one only needs 1 CD for a LAN game. (It may be 1 CD for 2 or 3 people, not sure. Check the message boards at the above link.)

WC2 was a fun RTS, but it was truly a clickfest. Kohan (and for that matter, Total Annihilation) were both much more robust games. But neither really became SimBase games; either would make an excellent LAN party game.

Finally this would be on-topic (5, Interesting)

JoeShmoe (90109) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172942)

I have been a fan of RTS games since, well, Blizzard practically invented them with Warcraft on the Macintosh.

But the big downfall of RTS games, and why I think many people hate them, is that as the genre has progressed, the interfaces have not. Ultimately victory comes down to not managing resources or having brilliant strategy, but being nimble enough to control the interface.

Take StarCraft, for example. To control your troops you assign them to hotkeys. The problem is that when you mix unit type within a group, you lose the ability to give them advanced commands. So you have to assign separate hotkeys by type and you end up using five or six of them just for one attack.

Unit grouping is another factor. You can carefully arrange your troops in a formation that gives them the advantage, but when you order them from point A to point B they arrive in one big jumble. Often times, unit will arrive at a destination one by one and get slaughtered.

The question I have...how hard would it be to develop some kind of basic programming language for these type of games? In StarCraft, Reavers cause an enormous amount of damage. I would want my characters to attack them first, overriding any previous attack orders. Or, for Zerg troops, if their health dips below a certain point, automatically burrow.

I know there are free software version of many strategy games in the workd (like FreeCIV) but are there projects attempting to recreate open source versions of RTS type games? So that this type of functionaly could be added?

And to Blizzard if there are any employees reading, why not work on this as a nice standby to WarCraft III? It should be very simple to develop a way of giving commands from scripts instead of point and click.

- JoeShmoe

Correction (1)

whatnotever (116284) | more than 13 years ago | (#2173080)

Because I'm bored, I went and found you a correction [gamespot.com] . Dune II is what most people tend to think of as the first RTS (it was the first to be called such), though apparently there was something RTS-like for the Sega Genesis before that.

Oh, and as for an open RTS, there's FreeCraft [freecraft.org] .

Re:Finally this would be on-topic (1)

yorgasor (109984) | more than 13 years ago | (#2173095)

You can check out www.freecraft.org [freecraft.org] for an open source implementation of warcraft. It's been a while since I've tried it out, it may be quite usable now.

At any rate, you've got some great ideas on usability. Stop by the site and make your suggestions to the maintainers, or step up to the plate and start coding it in.

Re:Finally this would be on-topic (0)

Anonymous Pancake (458864) | more than 13 years ago | (#2173102)

I tried the windows version and it didn't work at all.. I also had to do alot of weird configuration with it.

People should learn how to make graphical installers and configuration tools for games if they ever expect NORMAL people to use them

Re:Finally this would be on-topic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2173137)

As someone with extensive SC experience against some of the top players back in the day, I have to vehemently disagree. You suggest automating the game with a "basic programming language". Well since resource gathering is kinda bothersome, and its too hard to manage everything in combat, and unit production is just repetitive, why don't we automate EVERYTHING so i don't even have to play?
And a programming language in an rts? Have you ever been on battle.net? You know, a lot of people consider programming WORK, and considering the demographic group blizzard sells games to, that idea would be plain suicidal from a marketing standpoint.
I'll just counter one of your examples in an effort to not get too repetitive, because I think my message is clear. You say your troups arrive one by one and get slaughtered because of lack of formation. That's completely false. There are two ways to solve that problem, both of which require control and thought, which is a good thing. One way is to set a series of waypoints for units of equal speed past any tight or constraining obstacles. Units only spread out into a string if they "rub" against narrowly spaced obstacles. The other solution which can be used independently, or in combination with the first, is having a scout troop. For example if you're terran you don't just go waltzing about with a squadron of unsieged tanks, you have an scv/vulture/marine (any relatively expendable and quick unit) maye a screen ahead warning you of any impending attacks.

In summary, more control is GOOD. Its what determines skill and makes the game fun.

Re:Finally this would be on-topic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2173163)

i have to disagree with you on your point about interface. i think it is exactly the ability to microcontrol that separates the average player from the best.
also, from my experience at this years e3, warcraft3 will definitely be worth the wait. hmm, now that i look back on it maybe i should have taken the opportunity to talk to some of the blizzard people there instead of just playing w3. anyway, civilization 3 will be in stores in two months, that should make the wait much easier.

Re:Finally this would be on-topic (1)

nEoN nOoDlE (27594) | more than 13 years ago | (#2173254)

how hard would it be to develop some kind of basic programming language for these type of games?

I don't think the problem is with the difficulty of making a small scripting language for the game, the problem would be in balancing issues. The person with the best script would win and it would discourage newbies from even trying to play the game.

I'll wait (2, Interesting)

Big Montana (315852) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172955)

Aside from the delay, which comes as no surprise, I think that Blizzard has a good chance to make a truly impressive 3D RTS, that will blow away its peers and match the performance of their other games.

All of their other titles have relied on 2D (even Diablo 2, which is 2D and enhanced with 3D). StarCraft ran well even on non-bleeding edge gaming hardware. I have always loved their attention to detail in performance. They are the anti-Funcom (anyone who plays Anarchy Online with its 1FPS in towns even with a GeForce 2/3 knows what I mean). People who knocked Diablo 2 for its lack of "revolutionary" graphics were missing the big picture, IMHO.

Total Annihilation was an impressive 3D RTS in its time, however when the units filled the screen, performance fell through the floor. I'm optimistic that Blizzard, in committing to 3D in WCIII, will find a way to avoid this.


Still searching for my Inner Adult...

Hi! How are you? (-1, Troll)

Sircam (473096) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172956)

I send you this Google cache link [google.com] in order to have your advice


See you later. Thanks

Re:Hi! How are you? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2173084)

luser

Three Constants in life: (4, Funny)

UserChrisCanter4 (464072) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172957)

Death

Taxes

a Blizzard or 3D realms game that's "Just around the corner!"

Erm... we're reporting vapourware on Slashdot? (1)

tangent3 (449222) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172962)

In other news, these other games have been delayed again until *insert random date in the future*

1. Duke Nukem Wait Forever

2. Daikatana II

3. Battlecruiser 2002AD

Great games but... (1)

mess31173 (462954) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172974)

What is the deal? You would think that with Blizzard's boatloads of cash that if they wanted to get a game out by it's advertised release date that they could just hire on some more programmers and get the job done. But, I guess that would be logical and sometimes big companies don't seem to follow the logic standards.

But, on the other hand, I guess pushing back the release date is better than releasing a crappy/buggy game.

Re:Great games but... (1)

smileyy (11535) | more than 13 years ago | (#2173056)

You would think that with Blizzard's boatloads of cash that if they wanted to get a game out by it's advertised release date that they could just hire on some more programmers and get the job done.

Ummmm...right...and you've done how much software development?

Re:Great games but... (4, Insightful)

dangermouse (2242) | more than 13 years ago | (#2173057)

... could just hire on some more programmers and get the job done.


There are books written about how doing this fails to help.

Re:Great games but... (2, Insightful)

shawnmelliott (515892) | more than 13 years ago | (#2173181)

That's under the assumption that more manpower is the solution. There is a happy medium where manpower and output are @ their best. When you add more and more developers you may even hit a point where you are counterproductive IMHO.

In other words (1)

Karn (172441) | more than 13 years ago | (#2172997)

buy Kohan now!

Vote HERE for Starcraft II... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2173042)

Everyone who wants to see Starcraft II, reply below....



2002 (1)

agdv (457752) | more than 13 years ago | (#2173050)

2002? Gee, by that time the characters will have developed new technology, and it will be nothing but Starcraft all over again...

Re:2002 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2173118)

Starcraft all over again? You mean a great, million-selling game with story & humor to match its balanced gameplay that will keep us occupied for 18+ months?! Bring it on I say.

Great (1)

banka (464527) | more than 13 years ago | (#2173051)

Who plays these Warcraft games?? I thought all true buchos played Counterstrike.

howdy (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2173070)

A white man was walking along the beach one day when he happened upon a bottle.
When he opened it, a genie popped out and said, "Hey!" The man replied, "you're a
genie, right?"
"Yes," said the occupant of the bottle. "I'm a genie. What about it?" "Well," the man
says, "you're supposed to grant me three wishes, right?" "NO!" says the genie. "That
ended centuries ago. I don't do that anymore. I'm retired now. Just put me back on the
bottle and drop me back on the beach where you found me."
"Awwww..c'mon!" persisted the man. "Grant me a wish!" "Oh...all right!" the genie rolled
his eyes. "You get one wish...and ONE WISH ONLY! And it had BETTER be exactly
what you want because it WILL come true!"
The man was ecstatic. He scratched his head, thought about it for a while, and finally
whispered something in the genie's ear. "Okay," said the genie. "Your wish will come
true at nine o' clock tomorrow morning! Now put me back in the bottle!" "Great!" the
man said. He put the genie back on the beach and went home. He got a good night's sleep,
called his girlfriend and asked her to come over, took a nice long hot shower...
At exactly 9:00 AM, the doorbell rang. The man opened it to find three Skinheads standing
at his door each holding an arm of rope, eyeing him suspiciously. "Tell us," one finally said.
"Are you the guy who wanted to be hung like a nigger?"

Good for them (2)

jchristopher (198929) | more than 13 years ago | (#2173071)

Good for them. We're living in an era of "just get it out the door" software. Blizzard stuff, on the other hand, just works, and works fine. Updates are minor, few, and far between.

If it was anyone else I'd be complaining, but Blizzard stuff is usually worth the wait.

Maybe I'm confused... (1)

Snodgrass (446409) | more than 13 years ago | (#2173074)

But isn't this the second (or third) time they've delayed the game?

I thought it was supposed to be out earlier this year...then October of this year...and now, next year?

I'm still looking forward to it...if the addiction level is anything like WarCraft I&II and StarCraft then I'm in real trouble ;)...but if they're not careful they're going to go the way of Star Wars:TPM...so much dragged out over-hype that there's no way it will live up to the expectations of the public.

But in the end I would much rather have a sweet, stable game then a crappy game they just shoved out the door. It's nice to see that they actually want to give us our money's worth...an unpopular trait in today's corporate world.

i remember (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2173077)

I remember when warcraft 3 was announced i said it would be delayed by a couple years. Some stupid script kiddie fag was like no way man it will be out on time! Hahah, you fucking cocksmoker, games never come out on time. I told you, you little warez n script fag. Hello when was the last time a much anticipated (over hyped) game was released ontime? uh never. What this is supposed to be shocking? fucktards.

Better a delay than what we normally see (5, Insightful)

penguin_nipple (127025) | more than 13 years ago | (#2173128)

IMHO, looking at the low quality of alot of games out there that do get released (*cough* Myst III *cough*).

I am personally fine with waiting for complete, mainly correct, runnable, optimized and fun game rather than a piece of cruft. The gaming industry has a habit of producing alot of junk at the expense of quality. So far as I am concerned, get it right, and I'll be a dedicated customer for life. Companies like Dynamix, Id, and Blizzard do their absolute best to produce games of quality - for that I thank them and always purchase their games. Think about it too...some other game developers will release a decent game, then lock it up so it can never be expanded to enhance the game in the future.

Much like Aliens vs. Predator - GREAT game - but it just stagnated after a while because the game was locked very, few mods etc and I stopped playing it.
Not that I didn't like the game, it just died. I can't say that I have had that experience with any of the above mentioned companies. I play their games often, I purchase their products gladly - because they make great games period! They seem to have balanced the marketroid interference with quality products in an intense, horribly stressful, fast paced, and unforgiving market. Gamers are the worst critics I think you'll all agree...

I am a programmer by trade too - and you couldn't drag me kicking and screaming into the gaming industry - I'll stick to developing scientific applications for Linux thanks very much! But I have an enormous amount of respect for these developers...so hurrah!

When Warcraft 3 comes out it will kick ass and I'll be playing it for years...heck I'm still playing warcraft2!

Fantastic (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2173143)

I can't wait for the Loki port!

this is the proper way. (4, Insightful)

Restil (31903) | more than 13 years ago | (#2173167)

This is how software is SUPPOSED to be written and released. You work on it until its ready. Until its perfect. Until everything works exactly the way you want it to, with no flaws. THEN you release a beta test to find those issues that nobody in the development or testing team could find. If designed correctly, most flaws will simply be specific hardware issues that weren't completely tested in house or balancing issues with gameplay. But I played Starcraft and I never saw any major bugs.

Keep up the good work Blizzard.

-Restil

wcbackstab (0, Offtopic)

Bodero (136806) | more than 13 years ago | (#2173191)

One thing's for sure, the minute Warcraft 3 is out the door, I'll be ready to backstab helpless souls on Battle.net, just like I do on Starcraft.

scbackstab.com [scbackstab.com]

True (2, Interesting)

Goldberg's Pants (139800) | more than 13 years ago | (#2173192)

I've played a large number of Blizzard games, and while they DO tend to not have to release a large number of patches, they did kinda drop the ball on Diablo 2 as the multiplayer side of it was hosed up royally.

There were also huge problems with Battle Net when starcraft was released. Battle Net now is MUCH better than it used to be.

Another thing going for Blizzard is they don't drop their games quickly. Starcraft, which was released around 3 years ago now, is still supported, and they recently released a new patch to fix some issues. Diablo is still being supported too.

Too bad they don't seem to like Linux since Blizzard seem to be one of the few game companies that give a damn about their customers, and aren't just out to ship product.

This could lead to real problems (2)

ColGraff (454761) | more than 13 years ago | (#2173300)

Yes, I know, it's wonderful that Blizzard is waiting until the game is stable and perfect and bug-free. Good for them. But while they work on this one game, other developers are working like mad trying to shove out the most graphically intensive games they can, as quickly as they can. "Damn the bugs! Full speed ahead!"

The problem this could create for blizzard is that when Warcraft III is released, it will look graphically dated compared to buggier, less fun games that came out a month before and only spent a year in development, thus working with newer hardware and software right from the get-go. Consider Daikatana, for example. Yes, I know it had a bunch of issues above and beyond crappy graphics, but just consider those graphics for a second. Why did Daikatana use the old, Quake II engine? Because when they were starting work on the game (actually, a little after they started work on it) that was the best engine available. By the time newer hardware and software came out, there was already so huge a committment to QII engine, and so much more work to do, that it just wasn't possible to move to a better engine. This "engine lag" is a risk all games with really long development cycles run, and games like Warcraft III and Duke4ever might fall prey to it. Admittedly, a lot of games with long dev cycles are very successful, but many aren't.

If warcraft II suffers from engine lag, will it still be attractive to the average (not hardcore) gamer? I don't know.

That's OK. (1)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 13 years ago | (#2173310)

I was really waiting for Starcraft 4 anyway.
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