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The DMCA Is Just The Beginning

timothy posted more than 13 years ago | from the quick-while-they're-not-looking dept.

The Almighty Buck 390

dr. greenthumb writes: "With the Sklyarov-case still fresh in memory, the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) wants to rally up against the Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA) in order to preserve privacy and freedom of speech. The FTAA is currently negotiating agreements with several countries in the Western hemisphere concerning, among other issues, intellectual property rights. According to the EEF, the FTAA organization is considering treaty language that mandates nations pass anti-circumvention provisions similar to the DMCA, except the FTAA treaty grants even greater control to publishers than the DMCA."

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Begin this (-1, Troll)

ubertroll (153053) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195711)

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Re:Begin this (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2195724)

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Re:Begin this (-1)

ubertroll (153053) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195726)

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Re:Begin this (2, Informative)

cecil36 (104730) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195727)

Excellent reply to WIPO, Congress, FTAA, and anyone who wants to support the DMCA and its offspring.

BTW, lame first post

Re:Begin this (1)

superdude2006 (516573) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195871)

lol. Definately true dat. That was a total waste of a first post.

Re:Begin this (1)

kwallace01 (513969) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195984)

You must mean a waste of a 2195711th post.

Re:Begin this (0)

buttfucker2000 (240799) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195988)

right, i'm so glad taco changed that. as we can clearly see it has eliminated almost all of the crapflooding faggotry around here.

this really should be (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2195924)

modded up, contra DMCA, FTAA etc.

i just don't get it (2)

linuxpng (314861) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195714)

When you think about it, people are behind these corperations and they are screwing themseleves as well as us. I just don't understand why these people keep passing tougher and tougher laws. I suppose they must not obey them. This is all obvious I imagine, but it's a slow day. :)

Re:i just don't get it (2)

modecx (130548) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195735)

Because they stand to benefit more form the persecution of freedom lovers, than to have those freedoms themselves.

Re:i just don't get it (2)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195886)

What you have is the confusion created by imagined losses in the minds of accounting types.

Take for example, a company that has 100 million dollars in sales in one year, with 20% of that as profit.

What the accounting types do is say that because sales could have been 200 million in a year, but were not because the speculative losses due to possible piracy, there is a loss of 100 million dollars.

Mind you this is purely speculative, undocumented, and paranoid.

But what this does is encourage various companies and organizations to persue legal remedies in a vain attempt to recover imagined losses. It provides a convenient scape goat for having a shit product in the first place.

That is why you have legal processes like this, and treaties that surrender the self rule of the member countries

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Re:i just don't get it (3, Interesting)

vanguard (102038) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195962)

In addition to my technical degrees, I also have an accounting degree. FWIW, accountants generally live and die by their own integrity. It's hammered into us in a big way during our training.

They have no desire to trump up false claims because it would ruin their name. Their name is the most important asset that an accountant has. If I was asked to calculate how much we lost in sales I would probably poll a sample of the pirates (assuming that's possible) and ask them if they would have purchased the product if that was the only way they could have obtained it.

Using that sample I would deduce the total amount of potential revenue lost to theft.

I think the exaggerated claims you're referring to come from lawyers, not accountants. (On a side note: I started to doubt the entire accounting business now that pro forma financial statements are becoming the norm. However, that's unrelated to this topic.) PS Don't haze me for being off topic. I care about my Karma.

It is time for protest in the streets (2, Insightful)

takochan (470955) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195897)

It is time for protest in the streets..

A handful of people protesting for Dmitry managed
to get this into CNN. It is time for more of
the same.. I suggest Ben Franklin's Birthday
as a day of protest (not sure when it is, anyone know?), as he as a politician who understood
technology and its potential misuses (IP controls/patent bogosity..etc) and reminded us
to fight against it.

We also need a website (or a GNU political party
or something), that lists out in plain english
what these congress people are voting for and
who is giving them the bribe money to do so (and
link it from all over, so everyone knows what
they are up to, and will call them on it).

Corporate fascism is definately taking over, and
I am starting to be not proud to be an American
anymore.. we must take to the streets.. banners
& protest.. its a whole civil rights movement,
and it involves all of us to stop this
corporate techno fascism before it goes any
further...

This is 1984.. in real life...

It won't stop unless we get out there, and make
it stop...

[Re: Dmitry..sigh, the day that the US arrests
someone for thoughtcrime... I thought I'd never
see it in real life.. we should all stop being
so naive]

Re:It is time for protest in the streets (3, Insightful)

takochan (470955) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195935)

More on this stream..

Most of us on ./ understand information, how
to use it, and disseminate it, widely, and
very quickly..

It is high time that we start to do this, before
we lose ALL our rights. Make websites, link to
them at the bottom of your pages. Get people
in the streets..

Re: writing to congressmen.. maybe it works but
I am not sure.. because congress people only work
for those people who pay them.. which means
not us.. so we have to put fear in their
hearts... take to the streets.. get in on the
front page of every paper in the country..make
them scared.. and they'll listen..

Protests, a manifesto (citizen's rights in the
IP age.. reasonable copyrights (ie. it expires
in 10 years).. and a whole slew of other things.

As well, we should keep protesting Adobe in
spite of what they say now.. they put Dimtry
in hock, so until he is free, protest them..
make Adobe use the same power they used to
get things like DCMA, to now get rid of it,
or we dont stop..

Thats the only way it will work, and only way
they will listen. Give hell to politicians to
take corporate bribes and pass laws that are
so obviously against the interests of the
people in the interest of corporate checks, and
give hell to the companies that are paying
those bribes..

Imagine a world where the govt. and corporations
(with the power of the laws they PAID for) can
search your PC (or the one in your office),
record everything, send the police to your house
and jail you for IP crimes (oops, your son
put a copy of IE on that old laptop, and the
license server at Redmond caught that! $6000 fine), or speechcrime (Dmitry), or thoughtcrime
(DeCss). This is what's coming people, unless
you get out there and do something.

It is war people.. wake up, or you will all
be prisoners of this orwellian future..

Organize yourselves (slashdot ed's?), get
a platform/manifesto, call the press, and
get out in the streets and make yourselves heard..
put fear in a politician today and remind them
that they had better answer to YOU.. or else..

I plan to, I hope many of you will do so as well
in your own cities/areas..

It's been time, join the club (2, Interesting)

Jett (135113) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195949)

There have already been large protests against the FTAA. In Quebec City, Canada a few months ago they had a huge protest. There is a growing global anti-corporate movement. In case you haven't noticed, there has been a series of large protests over the past few years throughout the world against corporatization/capitalism/neoliberalism. The next big protest is S30 (September 30) against the IMF/World Bank in D.C. Some websites you might be interested in:

http://www.stopftaa.org/
http://www.citizen.org/pctrade/gattwto/gatthome. ht ml
http://www.indymedia.org/
http://www.zmag.org/ZNETTOPnoanimation.html

Re:It is time for protest in the streets (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2195972)

Hear Hear!
RMS for Tyranical US Dicatator!

Re:i just don't get it (2)

A Commentor (459578) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195907)

It's leadership (CEO, Board of Directors, etc.) which are pushing for these changes...

They make MILLIONS/year, and with these extra restrictions, they stand to make MILLIONS more. At that point the $15 DVD, CD, Book is just noise. If they can double their income, what should they care about having to buy a few more items at $15 each...

Do you need buy.com Coupons [garlanger.com] ?

Re:i just don't get it (2)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195959)

Shhhh! You're making it sound like "freedom fighters" don't want to pay for things, almost like they want the unbridled right to pirate and copy to their hearts content! No no no...the official line is that they want "fair usage" rights to copy "their own" CDs. You see all they want is the right to make MP3 copies of all the CDs they themselves own, and copy games that they legally have copies of, and books that they have purchased. You almost make it sound like they want everything for free...nah that's not the freedom fighter goal...

Re:i just don't get it (2, Insightful)

darkPHi3er (215047) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195933)

"...people are behind these corperations and they are screwing themseleves as well as us.."

SORRY! (really) but they aren't...

one trivial example, i have numerous friends in the record industry with CD collections numbering in the thousands, how many have they paid for?

from as few as 1 in 25 CD's to as many as 1 in 15 CD's so, obviously they benefit from their positions (at 15$/pop that's thousands of dollars)

another less trivial example, i know a person who just was promoted to a very senior executive position at an entertainment company, they're making 7 figures,

now, this person's large income is derived from the fact that a very large "information asymmetry" exists, this asymmetry in the case of books, television, films and music derives from the fact that a very small group of companies can act as a "market lockout" mechanism (we all remember that term, right?)....

so, maybe you are a better singer than Robert Plant or Beck or Mariah Carey or a better screenplay writer than Robert Towne or Bill Goldman or Jerry Zucker or a better actor than Jack Nicholson or Helen Hunt or Alicia Silverstone or Freddie Prinze Jr -G-

but without someone making the conscious decision to allow your talent to be exhibited, you'll be slinging pastrami at your local restaurant for the rest or your life.

the number of available channels for exhibiting/promoting/distributing such materials are being increasingly owned/controlled by fewer and fewer companies (who themselves are positively Gibsonian in global reach, influence and control)

the DMCA is just the latest of a spectrum of a wide variety of Intellectual Property laws that have been carved out by American Corporations (and European and Asian, with the E! Industry leading the pack in special interest IP legistlation w/o a close second, which would prob be Tech Companies)

it is now a race between the "content controllers" and their proxies (the US Congress, the EU legislature, et al) and the technologists

RIAA, DMCA, Napster and all the other battles going on now are just barely the opening skirmishes in what promises to be a long, long fight to allow the efficient use of digital technologies and to rationalize IP laws to reflect the new and oncoming distribution technologies...

Of course (1, Insightful)

blamario (227479) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195716)

What is good for Microsoft is good for America. At least, better than for the rest for the world.

Re: What the *^*#$% (1)

Caez (470978) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195896)

nothing the "Redmond Washington-based software giant" does is good for anyone! Windows is just a piece of crap that good ol Bill knew he could make money off. Windows is the only OS out there (as far as most people are concerned) and Mac. Linux is gaining ground!! But, Windows never helps anyone.

Re: What the *^*#$% (1)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195963)

Windows is a very nice software product (and with each iteration it's getting better), and at some point you'll realize that fighting the "good fight" through FUD just doesn't achieve anything other than short-term victories at the expense of long-term saturation. It just tends to be that open-source zealots tolerate a lot more without complaining, while the same faults would incite riots in Windows.

Dmitry Sklyarov makes me horny (-1)

ubertroll (153053) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195717)

Whenever I look at this picture [eff.org] , I have to jerk off immediately.

Re:Dmitry Sklyarov makes me horny (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2195784)

His wife is nasty. Granted, HE was the wife while in prison. You know all those hackers going to jail are tossed-salads waiting to happen.

fresh (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2195718)

turd. get it in ya!

Can a nigga get a table dance? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2195722)

Check it out check it out, WHOO! Shake dat body!

Re:Can a nigga get a table dance? (1)

phillymjs (234426) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195743)

Only if you can prove the music being played during said table dance is in compliance will all relevant licensing, and the use of the table is in accordance with the guidelines set forth by the TPAA (Table Producers Association of America),

Re:Can a nigga get a table dance? (-1, Offtopic)

buttfucker2000 (240799) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195811)

shut up, FAGGOT

Rule of thumb... (4, Funny)

gloth (180149) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195723)

If an organization calls itself ??AA, it's gonna take away you freedom... MPAA, RIAA, FTAA... makes you wonder what comes next :-)

FSAA (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2195730)

it killed 3dfx and took away my freedom to buy a Voodoo card. man that shit sucks

Re:Rule of thumb... (1)

cha0sadddddddd (323712) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195736)

NRAA....No Rights At All

Re:Rule of thumb... (1)

Trebuchet (98044) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195738)

What about just plain old AA (Alchoholics Anonymous)? :)

Re:Rule of thumb... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2195745)

African American Freedom Association... :)

Re:Rule of thumb... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2195795)

Fuck, that worse then all of the other associations combines.

If they fucking like 'africa' so much, let em go back. Hell, let taxpayers foot the bill. And the ones that stay back need to shut the fuck up about blackwards to africa and all that stupid shit.

Re:Rule of thumb... (1)

Swaffs (470184) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195956)

Uh, I hate to point out the obvious, but that would be AAFA, which isn't an ??AA.

Re:Rule of thumb... (1)

TheMeld (13880) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195759)

How about AAA? Hasn't curtailed any of my freedoms lately. Pulled me out of a few nasty spots too!

Re:Rule of thumb... (1)

papa248 (85646) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195809)

gosh darn Alchoholics Anonymous took away my liquor.

Re:Rule of thumb... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2195824)

If an organization calls itself ??AA, it's gonna take away you freedom... MPAA, RIAA, FTAA... makes you wonder what comes next :-)

Well According to Ulrich Drepper the newest organization is the RSAA its a so-called "steering committee"

Unfortunately papa Richie didn't seem to agree with Ulrich on his definition freedom.

Not free as in beer, but free as in Gnu/Free.

Re:Rule of thumb... (1)

talonyx (125221) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195906)

You would appear to be wrong.

BCAA, the British Columbia Automobile Association, can give you freedom from headaches by providing towing services and help for you and your vehicle when in situations like locking your keys in the car.

Thank you.

Re:Rule of thumb... (1)

gloth (180149) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195932)

Hereby I let it be known that I apologize most humbly to the British Columbia Automobile Association! May they always find shady roads and a gallon of gas on their voyages through beautiful Canada!

Re:Rule of thumb... (5, Insightful)

aralin (107264) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195912)

If an organization calls itself ??AA, it's gonna take away you freedom... MPAA, RIAA, FTAA... makes you wonder what comes next :-)

When you consider that AA stands for American Association in most cases, its very unfortunate that term 'American' is associated with anti-freedom efforts here.

Time to join the NA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2195744)

The more I hear about the so called "free" trade area of the Americas, the more I worry about the future of the American people.


Perhaps it is time to join The National Alliance [natvan.com]

NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2195881)

Punk ain't no religous cult

Punk means thinking for yourself

You aren't hardcore cos you spike your hair

When a jock still lives inside your head

Chrous:

Nazi Punks

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Nazi Punks...FUCK OFF!

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If you're gonna fight, get outta here

You ain't no better than the bouncers

We ain't tryin' to be police

You ain't the cops, this ain't anarchy

Repeat chorus

Ten guys jump one, what a man

You fight each other, the police state wins

Stab your back when you trash our halls

Trash a bank if you got real balls

You still swastikas look cool

The real nazis run your schools

They're coaches, businessmen and cops

In the real fourth reich you'll be the first to go

Repeat Chorus

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You'll be the first to go

You'll be the first to go...unless you think!

hey, good one (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2195916)

but you need to customize for slashdot

Re:Time to join the NA (1)

Jett (135113) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195883)

What does neoliberalism have to do with racist thugs like the National Alliance?

Law upon law... (5, Insightful)

Mr.Spaz (468833) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195747)

Civil disobedience, anyone? This kind of legislation is equivalent to the police smashing down your door because you pop open the TV set you bought labeled "Do not open, refer to authorized service center" on the back. If they're going to sell it to me, there is no one on this Earth that can say what I can and cannot do with it. Oh, I know, they're only "leasing" you the software bits. Uh-huh. I'm all for action. If it gets bad enough, I say we resort to busting crackers out of jail and straight-out open resistance. You can't step on people with laws like this forever.

Re:Law upon law... (1)

Overrated Nazi (398459) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195803)

I'm up for it. Where can we get organized :P

Re:Law upon law... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2195901)

If it gets bad enough, I say we resort to busting crackers out of jail and straight-out open resistance

But what would Brian Botano do? Anyone care to blow up the Baldwin residence?

Re:Law upon law... (1)

Swaffs (470184) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195967)

Don't tell anyone, but I cut that tag off my matress...

I got something to say to the DMCA (-1, Troll)

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Re:I got something to say to the DMCA (-1)

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Fuck You To Hell, Commie Nigger!!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2195761)

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Re:Fuck You To Hell, Commie Nigger!!! (-1)

ubertroll (153053) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195770)

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It will get worse before it gets better... (2, Insightful)

ByTor-2112 (313205) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195753)

I fear that these type of laws and treaties will become more common in the next few years. The "content industry" is struggling to reclaim the territory they slowly lost over the years. Napster made it painfully obvious to them that the whole industry has been asleep at the wheel.

Unfortunately, by blinding lashing out at the community we are just that much further from reaching a compromise between consumers and companies.

Canada (2)

mr100percent (57156) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195754)

The DMCA is twisted! and wrong! Twisted and wrong!

Dang, this means moving to canada will not make me safe.

In fact, I might be stuck in another country that has no free speech, and no human rights, and a stricter DMCA.

Re:Canada (5, Insightful)

mikethegeek (257172) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195791)

"In fact, I might be stuck in another country that has no free speech, and no human rights, and a stricter DMCA. "

You might be more right than you know. The US Constitution will eventually cause the demise of the worst of the DMCA, that is, if an honest judge ever hears a case (not a MPAA shill like Kaplan). It hasn't happened yet, but it eventually will, as the fair use rights circumvention in the DMCA are contrary to years of Supreme Court precedent (such as the Betamax case).

All it should take is a smart lawyer arguing that digital is no different than analog, the only difference is that the IP cartels are LYING about it being different so as to flout the Constitution in ways they were smacked down on in cases relating to analog technology. Judges may be clueless with regard to technology, but they are DEFINATELY not clueless if informed that a "fast one" is being pulled on them.

However, those who live elsewhere may not have the advantage of having a Constitution written by men who loathed overreaching government more than any other founders.

And, even here, I'm not completely confident that the Constitution will prevail, as we've suffered under regieme after regieme, both in the white house and in congress since 1933, who have ALL subverted the Constitution for their own personal and political gain.

Re:Canada (2)

FFFish (7567) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195847)

Dream on. The American government is owned and run by corporate interests. The time is rapidly coming when "in the best of public interests" is an antique notion.

At least Canada has a history of socialism, which makes it a bit more likely to look out for Joe Public. Not that it makes a *lot* of difference, what with the crooks in government.

Re:Canada (1)

mr100percent (57156) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195856)

That sounds too cynical for me. There are some people out there who just won't accept fistfuls of cash to overlook severe stuff.

Hey, the MS trial didn't degrade into that, thank god.

Re:Canada (2)

mikethegeek (257172) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195908)

"At least Canada has a history of socialism, which makes it a bit more likely to look out for Joe Public. Not that it makes a *lot* of difference, what with the crooks in government."

This will be Canada's undoing as well. A socialistic government is already stealing from others to give away goodies to you. Where is the moral difference between using force of a gun to steal from someone, and using the force of government (also a gun) to steal from someone?

A government powerful enough to give things to you also has the power to take away from you. I prefer a government, such as that under the US Constitution, that DENIES such power to the government. Unfortunately, the US Constitution has been given but bare lip service for many years now, and the DMCA is one result.

Ergo, the MORE socialistic (ie, like Canada in your view) the US has become, the MORE authoritarian and powerful the government has become. Which, in turn, corrupts it and allows corps to buy what they want. Face it, the welfare state takes a lot of cash to run, corps have the cash to keep it running, and in turn, gets a disporportionate amount of leverage as a result.

Shrink the government, make it live within the law (Constitution), and you will have less corruption.

Atenshun Slashdoterz! (0, Troll)

CeramicNuts (265664) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195955)

if you're putting DEFINITELY in all-caps you really should spell the word correctly. this error is made countless times here on /. by otherwise reasonable sounding people (1).

definitely. as in de-finite.

(1) does not apply to CmdrTaco and other admitedly poor spellers

Heh... (1)

Overrated Nazi (398459) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195756)

I read that as "In order to preserve piracy"... double take. ahh!!! :)

Old News: FTAA heavily protested in Quebec (2, Informative)

gfecyk (117430) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195757)

First Seattle, then Quebec City. Boring. Protestors can't come up with any more interesting arguments.

Even older news: Most of the industrialized world's leaders signed treates in 1996 [ic.gc.ca] (!) to enforce copyright law and property law. The FTAA has little to do with these treaties that were signed yonks ago.

I wish the Jihad here would find a way to quash the myth that the open source movements are about taking property rights away. You are behaving exactly like they say you are and it isn't helping you any.

Re:Old News: FTAA heavily protested in Quebec (2)

sulli (195030) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195866)

Well, we could start by not smashing store windows. Then people might take us seriously. It's a thought...

Re:Old News: FTAA heavily protested in Quebec (1)

inversesinewave (470448) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195978)

The purpose of a protest is to gain attention. When people protest non-violently in a designated protesting area 10km away from the site, do you think they are going to be on the news? Hell no.

Unfortunately the only way to get on the news, and therefore raise the attention of the masses (either positively or negatively), is to act violently.

Re:Old News: FTAA heavily protested in Quebec (2)

sulli (195030) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195991)

we don't want that kind of negative publicity though. maybe street protests just aren't that effective compared to other methods?!

Correct Link (5, Informative)

ReadParse (38517) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195758)

The link should point to the Electronic Frontier Foundation [eff.org] , which is different that the Eisenhower Fellowships [eef.org] .

Cheers,
RP

That's right (-1)

ubertroll (153053) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195762)

EFF also has my favorite picture [eff.org] of that hot Sklyarov guy.

Re:Correct Link (1)

puppet10 (84610) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195990)

I think they need the automatic link embedding to extend to their own posts.

Who wants a nice buttfuck? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2195772)

I'm gonna cum in your swirled purple anus!

Don't let the date stamp on this post fool you.... (-1)

Pr0n K1ng (160688) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195774)

This is in fact the post which came before all the others. It is, in fact, the first post.

Get it in ya, spork_testicle!

Re:Don't let the date stamp on this post fool you. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2195785)

Now look at you. Without your hidden sid, what's left of you? Oh, that's pathetic.

21st post baby! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2195776)

what's the diff btwn flamebait and troll anyway?

insert goatse ref here

Too late!? (1)

agusus (470745) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195777)

Darn, this story should have been up here days ago...

The next meeting of the FTAA Negotiating Group on Intellectual Property Rights is Aug. 22 in Panama, and public comments will be most effective if received before this date. This means it should be mailed by Aug. 18 at the latest, in the US, and even sooner from other countries. (Unfortunately, the FTAA site does not provide mechanisms for Web-submitted comments.)


Now it's too late to send in our opinions... The EFF could have gotten a lot of support if this had posted on Slashdot a few days ago (article was issued Aug. 16).

Re:Too late!? (1)

aicra (239865) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195810)

Western Union Telegram?
$10

if we all dont do something about crap like this (1)

cha0sadddddddd (323712) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195779)

everyone needs to go to http://www.congress.org, or better yet kill a tree.but its not hard at all to go there, enter your zip code, and write ALL your elected reps and tell them what a piece of shit the dmca and all its kin are.
please be polite, congressmen dont like being flamed.
tell your family and friends and coworkers and anyone else who will listen to do the same(i do).
also make sure NOT to vote for the asswads that passed this irrehensible piece of garbage and make sure TO vote for whoever runs against them.also then send them a letter(if they win) telling them the reason they got you vote is because thier opponent voted for the dmca.
and if you dont...well dont come bitch at me when we have no rights anymore...i do my part

Re:if we all dont do something about crap like thi (2, Informative)

GlassUser (190787) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195911)

I wrote representative Bentsen (D) and senators Gramm (R) and Hutchison (R). Who did YOU write to? (all of you, not just the parent author)

More practically, I got a reply from Bentsen yesterday. While his wording was the "politically correct" middle of the road drivel the average politician spouts, it seemed a little on the intelligent side. I am slightly encouraged by this letter, though it is fairly certainly a stock letter, and I know he's aware of one constituent's view of the issue.

I'm still waiting to hear from my senators, but mainly just for confirmation. As they're republican, I expect less acceptable view on the issue (with them leaning toward big money interests), but at least they'll know MY opinion, and I'm responsible, in part, for their job security. You people (well, the americans in the audience) should try writing the people whose salaries you pay. It gives you a short-lived feeling of power at the very least, you may even get warm-fuzzies.

Times like this... (5, Interesting)

Medieval_Gnome (250212) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195781)

It's times like this you just have to feel hopeless. We (meaning the good ol' US of A) have captured a Russian giving a speech showing that some 'industry quality' encryption was nothing more than a XOR with a constant byte, and passed laws that give harsher penalties to programmers than to some murderes! And the worst part is that nobody else seems to CARE!

(And watch as I am moderated to -1 for this comment)

Re:Times like this... (5, Insightful)

blang (450736) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195965)

And the worst part is that nobody else seems to CARE!


What did you expect? We're living in a democracy. It doesn't mean things will be OK, or even acceptable. It means that the country is (ideally) ruled by the majority of the people.
So what we get is the dictatorship of the majority. Most people are stupid, so they deserve stupid laws. They even deserve a stupid president. Just too bad nobody recognizes the joke is on them.

Global Big Brotherism on the Rise (2)

Louis Savain (65843) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195789)

Fascism is the only way to enforce IP laws. They must have control over what you see and what you download. In other words, the government is going to be spying on you big time, not a little bit like before. The FTAA is also a way for the have nations to economically dominate (i.e., enslave) the have-nots since most IP in the western world is owned by Europe and North America.

There is no stopping it. They are armed to the teeth and they own the mass media. We're all shit out of luck. Goodbye liberty! I will miss you.

Re:Global Big Brotherism on the Rise (5, Insightful)

mikethegeek (257172) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195852)

" Fascism is the only way to enforce IP laws. They must have control over what you see and what you download. In other words, the government is going to be spying on you big time, not a little bit like before. The FTAA is also a way for the have nations to economically dominate (i.e., enslave) the have-nots since most IP in the western world is owned by Europe and North America."

You make an excellent point. Fascism is on the rise worldwide, though most of the world has ALWAYS been non-free, elective republics being only a recent phenomenon largely condfined to the Western world. And even there, most of the West didn't become democratic until after World War II, only 50 years ago or so.

History shows that most republics don't last more than 30 generations, the United States being in fact, the LONGEST lasting one. However, given the increasing despotic and authoritarian nature of the US government, I believe an argument can be made that we've already crossed the line into fascism. If we haven't crossed, we're percariously balanced on the edge.

As I've stated before, I believe the US has been becoming less free since 1933, when our first "king" came in to power (FDR) and single handedly removed all Constitutional restraint on the federal government. All in the name of "empowering government to do more FOR you".

Well, as you know, everything works both ways, a government that can do things FOR you, has equal power to do things TO you. Such as confiscate on average, about 50% of your income in various direct, indirect, and hidden taxes, so as to fund "bread and circuses" which both buys votes and keeps the majority cowed.
Giving our government this awesome power is what corrupted it. Who else, but the wealthy and powerful would be able to "buy" the use of this power?

The DMCA is many ways is the ultimate expression of such abuse, as it's complete narrow-special interest legislation, completely at odds with precedent, the Constitution, and morality. The kangaroo court nature of the 2600 trial exposed just how far the rot has gotten into other instutions. The corps have owned Congress and the White House for many years, but now they own the courts (judges come from lawfirms, who represent corps, who in turn pay obscene "speaking fees" to judges).

Which is why the DMCA must be fought. Believe me, it's only the BEGINNING of where things are headed, not the end. But nothing will happen so long as the majority of Americans keep looking on the government as some kind of nanny, thus empowering the government to do more for them, which in turn empowers it to do more TO them.

I'm not optimistic. The "bread and circuses" genie was let out of the bottle almost 70 years ago, and there is no sign of it being even checked, much less reversed. I find it ironic that the MOST evil of all states (Nazi Germany, the USSR, Communist China) are the ones who "take care of" their (obiedient) citizens with handouts stolen from the pockets of others. Somehow though, this gets distorted as "compassion".

Re:Global Big Brotherism on the Rise (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2195979)

The price of my balls is 50$

Things will work themselves out...Think about it. (1)

javaman235 (461502) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195796)

I think that the DMCA and similar legislation shouldn't be too worried about, and will work itself out in time. All that happens when they ban, for instance, publishing flaws in encryption schemes, is that people can no longer do it legally. This empowers those who disregard the law, and gives them profit.

I will be called an idealist, but I believe there's enough brains in our government and the companies involved to figure this out over time. Companies like Adobe will realize that it is better to have law abiding college professors publishing your errors (and contibuting to a fix) than to have inheritly illegal hackers explioting them for their own gain.

Re:Things will work themselves out...Think about i (1)

mefus (34481) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195861)

All that happens when they ban, for instance, publishing flaws in encryption schemes, is that people can no longer do it legally.
That's not all, in fact most people I've talked with regarding this think we are embarking on a slippery slope the end of which is over a gaping chasm of totalitarian control of open discussion.

Re:Things will work themselves out...Think about i (1)

mefus (34481) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195891)

I will be called an idealist...
I think the word you are looking for is optimist. RMS is an idealist (and an ideolog.)

The needed adjustment won't occur without your involvement. I tried to use the slashdot search engine but it's down... I wanted to point to a recent article in which the primary (republican) backer claimed there was no opposition when the DMCA bill came out of committee (and to hide their votes they used a voice vote... you can't know how your congresscritter voted.)

Serfs UP! (2, Funny)

Dutchmaan (442553) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195802)

Each new law seems to shave away another form of the consumer actually owning anything. What's next..building all our towns around the corporate castle so we can run inside if we're the target of a hostile takeover...

Every year we move closer and closer to a true corporate feudalism... Funny thing is, we're very willing to give them the power to do it if they throw a free toaster or the equivalent our way...

Can someone please unclick the "repeat button" on the history maker.... At the very least put it on shuffle!

Re:Serfs UP! (1)

Radical Rad (138892) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195889)

What's next..building all our towns around the corporate castle so we can run inside if we're the target of a hostile takeover...

That's why Bill built his castle near Seattle.
Puget Sound makes a hell of a moat!

HaHaHa (1)

slander (50106) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195818)

eff.org != eef.org
I love it!

here's the deal (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2195821)

The United States as a country values property rights VERY highly. The US got to its position as the world industrial power by supporting business, not by stamping it out. Even if you disagree with the DMCA because it can be used in some questionable situations(like the Dmitry case) you have to admit that in most situations the law is just. Let's say Ford invents a new device that allows cars to drive on auto-pilot. Should GM be allowed to reverse engineer the thing and use it as their own?? Of course not.

I'm going to say it even though it makes me look like a troll: If you don't like the laws of the US then move elsewhere. The United States is the country of business and will rightly or wrongly do anything to defend corporations. You are totally free to move wherever you want in the world so I really don't understand what you are all complaining about. Move to the UK or something!! Or go to Iraq or Afghanistan where the US has ZERO infulence.

No, no no, you got it all wrong. (3, Funny)

qwerty123 (63677) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195836)

The EFF is not opposed to the FTAA because they're trying to extend the DMCA. Instead is the JLA who have allied with MSFT in an attempt to subvert NASA into not using CDA so the RIAA falls because as we all know MSFT is trying to capture all 3 and 4 letter domains so they can patent all abbrivations of names. The is SWC signing out.

As expected (1)

de Selby (167520) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195844)

Hit it the gut.

..then kicked.

Intellectual Property (2, Interesting)

dragons_flight (515217) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195849)

Ideas are unique in that I may freely share my ideas with you without diminishing my own knowledge. The digital age has made it so that many other media are also reproducible at neglible cost to the individual.

By constrast, Intellectual Property Law serves the legitimate purpose of attempting to guarantee that the originator of an idea or creative work can earn income based on his creation without competing with others who grasp what it is he has done. Unfortunately quite often digital technology circumvents this process my allowing people free access to music, art, books, software, etc. without ever compensating the inventor.

Ultimately fair use comes from the principal that people should be able to use portions of a work when doing so is not for financial gain and to do so does not cause a lost of income to the property rights holder. As long as people percieve that they are losing money, they are not going to be happy about technologies that allow for copying and sharing.

This is something that the world will have to confront. I don't think the answer is to shut down the development and use of technology. Clearly when people are using technologies for illegal financial advantages, they can be targetted with existing law. The question is what to do with all the small time players who only "steal" a few MP3s or a little software?

What I would like to see is a paradigm shift in how we think about digital information and creative works. A world where music, movies, software, etc. are entirely free and subsidized by the government could be a wonderful place to live. Of course with fewer or no economic incentives the produce these works, one might lose quality people who value the huge profits of today. Trnasitioning to such a world would be a hard sell and lengthy process. Perhaps if subscription services become the norm then we can progress until everyone pays a flat tax for "entertainment & software services".

It could happen...

Re:Intellectual Property (2)

camusflage (65105) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195974)

It could happen...

Sweet. Then we can have edgy and innovative entertainment and software from the likes of phone companies, the USPS, and others who have zero incentive to innovate or compete, and possibly even a disincentive in that they may fall off the gravy train if they rock the boat.

Thanks but no thanks. Count me out. I'd take to sucking corporate ass on a daily basis before having the government say what is good and not good in software and entertainment. Think back to the early nineties with the whole NEA thing, or Ed Meese and the pornography crusade before that. Just because we elect them doesn't mean they don't fsck up on a fairly regular basis (DMCA anyone?).

Cool "No FTAA" photo (1)

mbrubeck (73587) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195894)

Earlier this year, protesters put up some anti-FTAA posters in my Seattle neighborhood. I have a pretty good picture [hmc.edu] of one of them. It might be useful for an anti-FTAA web page or something. Feel free to use it however you want.

By the way, the article's first link to the EFF is wrong (points to eef.org instead).

Re:Cool "No FTAA" photo (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2195980)

How about T-shirts?

No
F ucking
T rade
A greements
A nymore!

Hello Latin America? Who to Call? (3, Interesting)

idonotexist (450877) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195902)

A true free trade agreement is one for liberalization allowing for the free flow of goods. Certainly IP should be covered, but not to this extent. DMCA is anti-liberalization and hampers the development of technological advances.

Given the importance of this issue, it seems having lobbying/communication is required in Latin American nations regarding this subject.

How can this issue be communicated to those in Latin America with potential interest/influence of local governments? Has someone forward this information to Miguel de Iczara? I understand he has connections to the current administration in Mexico. Perhaps there are technological associations in Latin America who may be communicated this issue and rallied?

Given the effect of the DMCA in the US, American citizens probably have little influence --- maybe those in Latin America can make a difference.

Treaties/laws (1)

DrkShadow (72055) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195928)

Now, laws like the DMCA can be taken to the supreme court and declared unconstitutional and we can be rid of them. Now for a somewhat basic question for some:

Can the same be done for signed treaties? or are with stuck with them even if they are determined unconstitutional?

I've heard that the US and most other nations ignore a lotta the things that the UN does, but I don't know if we could ignore something like this, nor get out of it.

-DrkShadow

Scary Stuff (2)

Maul (83993) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195940)


And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.


-Revelation 13:16-17 (KJV)


Not that many Slashdotters are the Bible reading type, but passages like these become scarier and scarier to me whenever I hear about these types of laws that put more control on the marketplaces being proposed world-wide. Seems like DMCA and similar laws being thrown about there could just be the beginning of total control over the consumers. Could we one day see laws that not only say HOW we can use our purchased goods, but also say WHO can purchase in the first place?


The idea is scary, even if one doesn't believe in such scriptures.

Nerds Unite, And RUN! (1)

E-Rock-23 (470500) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195946)

I say we all put down our keyboards and run for public office. We have the smarts to write sensible laws. Hell, most of it is common sense, really. But the old farts in Washington seem hellbent on keeping things "old world" nowadays, a fact which sucks.

First thing that needs to happen: Strom Thurmond needs to either retire or just expire. He's what, 90something? I'm sure he was a good man back in days when that mattered, but now it's differant. He's obsolete.

We, the young (and not-that-young-but-still-not-old), should weasel our ways into the system slowly and quietly. Then, when enough of us hold important offices, we change the system. It can happen, we just have to get off of our a$$es and try to make a differance...

My uncle, a State Rep here in PA, is getting me started. I plan on making whatever dent I can...

Fighting a rear-guard action here... (4, Insightful)

Bonker (243350) | more than 13 years ago | (#2195986)

Kudos to the EFF for jumping on this and drawing negative publicity to it before it becomes as big a thorn in the collective side of the public as the DMCA. Of course, signed treaties are an order of magnitude harder to overcome than laws.

BUT...

Those who care have been fighting this sort of thing on an emergency basis. We have to shoot down ever single encroachment on our rights in response to those encroachments.

Instead, why don't we do the same thing that those trying to take away our freedoms are doing and start sponsoring treaties or laws that protect those freedoms. Seriously, the EFF is in prime position to start this kind of lobbying! Let's just get a few legal hotshots to start authoring 'sponsored' legislation like the RIAA, MPA, and BSA have done. Let's start contacting other governments and get them to start thinking about treaties that protect public domain and fair use.

The idea here is to fight fire with fire. Treaties can often 'trump' laws, but with the right treaty in place...

C'mon, if I'm gonna pay a membership fee to the EFF, I'd like to see some of it used for proactive work like this.
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