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UAE Clerics' Fatwa Forbids Muslims From Traveling To Mars

timothy posted about 8 months ago | from the limited-jurisdiction dept.

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PolygamousRanchKid writes "The Khaleej Times of Dubai reports that a fatwa committee has forbidden Muslims from taking a one-way trip to the Red Planet. At the moment, there is no technology available that would allow for a return trip from Mars, so it is truly a one-way ticket for the colonists, who may also become reality TV stars in the process. The committee of the General Authority of Islamic Affairs and Endowment in the United Arab Emirates that issued the fatwa against such a journey doesn't have anything against space exploration, Elon Musk's Mars visions, or anything like that. Rather, the religious leaders argue that making the trip would be tantamount to committing suicide, which all religions tend to frown upon."

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Well for once I agree with religious crazies (5, Insightful)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | about 8 months ago | (#46309637)

You don't want to go to Mars? Please by all means, keep your bullshit on Earth and let us evolved human beings make a fresh new life on a fresh new planet without you!

Re:Well for once I agree with religious crazies (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46309691)

Shut it, Mars. We know what you did to Spirit.
Now you're gonna pay.

Re:Well for once I agree with religious crazies (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46309715)

Fucking noob ass islamic faggots.

Re:Well for once I agree with religious crazies (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46309739)

Well, they do have a point. Anyone going to Mars on current technology would be committing suicide. No, you won't survive on Mars. No, it won't be the fun adventure that you thought it would be.

If we had the ability to safely travel to and from Mars, just as you can travel to another country and back, they wouldn't be forbidding the journey.

Re: Well for once I agree with religious crazies (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46309805)

If you move to another country and never return, did you kill yourself? Why can't we live on Mars?

Re: Well for once I agree with religious crazies (4, Insightful)

AuMatar (183847) | about 8 months ago | (#46309813)

Lack of food, oxygen, and liquid water. Maybe it will be possible someday, but not now. This fatwa was discussing doing it now, possibly as part of the one way mission to mars that was discussed, which was a complete suicide mission.

Re: Well for once I agree with religious crazies (4, Interesting)

rusty0101 (565565) | about 8 months ago | (#46309963)

Again, how is this really different from any other colonization project? Look at the history of colonization in the Americas, and you'll see that many died out entirely as a result of being unprepared for the environment that they encountered. I suspect that you'll see similar results in the history of colonization into Australia, and if records existed, for pretty much any migration into areas where humans had not been before.

The general idea would be to find a way to draw the O2 out of the rust initially, and supplant that and the nitrogen we need from supplies sent from earth. Not cheap by any means, but then the colony would be working to grow plants to recover the O2 from CO2. Some water would be brought from Earth, but some would be recovered from ice on the planet. And food would be one of the other reasons to grow plants.

I'm not saying that the colony would survive. I wouldn't plan on giving even 10:1 against, but presumably we would learn things that could be applied to help the next colonization attempt. But then I'm not expecting the described mission to happen either. If it does, great. If it doesn't, hopefully another will before too much longer.

Re: Well for once I agree with religious crazies (4, Insightful)

CastrTroy (595695) | about 8 months ago | (#46310059)

I think the current plans for sending people to mars have no such plans though. They want to send people with no plans of sending any supplies and no plans of sending the necessary life support systems in the first place. Sending a resupply mission would be a major project, and lead times of 6 months to 2 years depending on orbits can make things difficult. With colonization they may had a high chance of death, but they were travelling places with plenty of fresh air, water, and food. Most of the deaths were due to either disease or disagreements with the locals. Many died of malnutrition. But they still had the intentions of living, those who are planning the current Mars trip have no such intentions.

Re: Well for once I agree with religious crazies (2)

Cryacin (657549) | about 8 months ago | (#46310291)

Dear Houston,

Need bread and milk.
eom

Re: Well for once I agree with religious crazies (3, Interesting)

Immerman (2627577) | about 8 months ago | (#46310085)

Actually, why bother with the rust at all? You've got all the 98% pure CO2 you could want in the atmosphere, just pressurize it and get some plants breathing it and you're good to go on oxygen. And assuming you can find a source of hydrogen you'll have all the water you need without too much trouble. Perhaps they could somehow capture the methane plumes we've detected and burn them in the same greenhouse? If you're producing enough oxygen, turning some of it into more CO2 and water would seem to be a good trade, especially if you have a use for the extra energy produced.

Re: Well for once I agree with religious crazies (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46310243)

Because colonisation on Earth didn't require being in a place with high radiation, very low temperatures, no oxygen, no water and no food. It is also massively more difficult to put something into space, let alone send it to Mars, than to travel via methods such as boats or caravans. Colonisation on Earth wasn't a guaranteed death sentence for everybody but colonisation of Mars with current technology is.

Re: Well for once I agree with religious crazies (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46310325)

The Americas have an atmosphere with plenty of oxygen, running water, and edible flora and fauna. If the colony collapses, people can just go native. If there's a loss of atmosphere in a Mars colony that has no return vehicle, everyone dies.

Re: Well for once I agree with religious crazies (5, Insightful)

JustOK (667959) | about 8 months ago | (#46309977)

Life is a suicide mission

Re: Well for once I agree with religious crazies (4, Funny)

Immerman (2627577) | about 8 months ago | (#46310089)

Come now, don't be such a pessimist, over half the humans who ever lived haven't died*, you gotta like those odds.

*depending on you definition of human. If you include homo erectus the ratio is no doubt somewhat smaller..

Re: Well for once I agree with religious crazies (1)

JustOK (667959) | about 8 months ago | (#46310173)

Never tell me the odds.

Re: Well for once I agree with religious crazies (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46310095)

I didn't sign up for this, sir!

Re:Well for once I agree with religious crazies (2)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | about 8 months ago | (#46310011)

Well, they do have a point. Anyone going to Mars on current technology would be committing suicide.

With that logic you're committing a suicide no matter what you do. You *will* die whether you stay on Earth or move somewhere else, there is currently no way of avoiding that. Also, since almost anything that you do in life is harmful to you you are actively committing a suicide, albeit a slow one.

Re:Well for once I agree with religious crazies (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46310191)

Ok, then by that logic, what is the point in staying alive? You should just shoot yourself and be done with it.

Re:Well for once I agree with religious crazies (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46310049)

The thing is that no matter where you live you will die. Eventually. Choosing to live your life on Mars will mean a fairly low life expectancy, but so does living in UAE. Are we all "committing suicide" because we haven't moved to the country with the best life expectancy? That would be Monaco, BTW. Or Japan, if we ignore city-states.

Re:Well for once I agree with religious crazies (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46309745)

Good thing is that once life there IS viable, you'll be long dead and will be no risk to anyone else's sanity.

Re:Well for once I agree with religious crazies (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46309781)

The Imams have got to go! They have ruined Islam. Just like various priesthoods have ruined most other religions. The problem with Islam is that about 70-80% of the Koran is directly tied to political administration.

Re:Well for once I agree with religious crazies (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46310165)

In all honesty however, for Mars One, it probably won't be a successful mission. Not because the flight isn't possible, but, If you check the list of who is managing that mission, very few are scientists. It seems to be more a team run by marketing outfits, and only 1 or 2 people actually had any experience with Space (only 1 of which was an actual rocket scientist).

Re:Well for once I agree... Me, too. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46310263)

> ...let us evolved human beings make a fresh new life on a fresh new planet without you!

Evolved? You're kidding, right?

Also, this is not gonna be like BB... it will be just like Jackass -- except networks will probably turn off the live feed to avoid the boring "save us, we don't wanna die" routine.

Too bad it will probably mean the death of some kids who didn't thought life could end so easily -- but, then, how many voyages have had no return right here on Earth because of wars?

Re:Well for once I agree with religious crazies (3, Insightful)

Khalid (31037) | about 8 months ago | (#46310323)

Please stop this fatwa unsanity !

The muslim word is full of stupid jerks who use religion and the beliefs of other people to serve their own agenda, while pretending speaking in the name of Islam. This is not different from a stupid christian priest who give his opinion about a a society matter, they only represent themeslves.

Re:Well for once I agree with religious crazies (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46310335)

Isn't being born like committing suicide?

Let it begin! (5, Insightful)

MPAB (1074440) | about 8 months ago | (#46309639)

Cue witty jokes about blowing oneself up not counting as suicide.

But they should also forbid being born, as everyone that does will die eventually.

Re:Let it begin! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46309657)

Then I heard Nixon speak. Hearing Nixon speak sounded more like a breath of fresh air.

Re:Let it begin! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46309839)

It does if it's infidels.

Re:Let it begin! (3, Informative)

mwvdlee (775178) | about 8 months ago | (#46310003)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F... [wikipedia.org]

As you might have guessed, Fatwa's aren't really laws as much as they are rules that may or may not be followed depending on whether an individual Muslim wants to.

Re:Let it begin! (1)

N1AK (864906) | about 8 months ago | (#46310155)

Modding this a troll seems a little harsh. It's not unusual for religions to include different groups with vastly different interpretations of what a good follower should or shouldn't do. Personally I find it equally amusing that they have the time to worry about this and that they've taken such a backwards view. What level of risk is ok before it is effectively the same as suicide? Does the benefit to others mitigate that in some way?

planet of the apes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46309655)

that would be mad funny if in the planet of the apes he came down and saw a bunch of Muslims with camels and he pounded his fists on the ground yelling NOOOOO when he saw the statue of liberty

Well, they could (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46309665)

declare a jihad against those little disbelievers up there, and then send some suicide martyrs to fight them, no ?

Re:Well, they could (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46309795)

from the religion that brought you Istishhad suicide bombers, "you can't go to mars and advance science exploration and the boundaries of human knowledge that would be suicide(without a exploding vest in a crowd of innocent civilians)"

Re:Well, they could (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46310069)

Suicide bombing is not approved by mainstream Islam. Just like mainstream Christianity doesn't approve of anti-abortion terrorism.

planet of the apes (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46309667)

read the title

UAE known as experts in . . . CAMELS (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46309669)

So it's not like there are any candidates there anyway. Oh, experts in terroristic suicide killing, but that's not useful in SPAAAACE . . . yet!

planet of the apes springs to mind (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46309673)

planet of the apes springs to mind

Buddhism (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46309685)

"the trip would be tantamount to committing suicide, which all religions tend to frown upon."

Hey get your Judeocentric religious world views out of here! Buddhism goes so far as to feature a story of the Buddha himself committing suicide just to feed some hungry tiger cubs.

Which is insane like all religions, but I reserve the right for their insanity to be characterized accurately!

Re:Buddhism (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about 8 months ago | (#46309829)

Buddhism goes so far as to feature a story of the Buddha himself committing suicide just to feed some hungry tiger cubs.

[citation needed]

No, seriously. I'm a Buddhist and I've never heard of such a story. Linky, please.

Re:Buddhism (4, Informative)

Stormwatch (703920) | about 8 months ago | (#46309855)

I assume he's thinking of this tale. [monkeytree.org]

Using their own logic... (2, Insightful)

Taelron (1046946) | about 8 months ago | (#46309687)

then staying on Earth, living out your life and dying is also tantamount to suicide too. So you are damned if you do and damned if you dont...

Re:Using their own logic... (2)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about 8 months ago | (#46309837)

Like the man said, "Nobody gets out of here alive."

Re:Using their own logic... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46310133)

It's a good thing if religious nuts won't follow us on a new planet.
If only they had done the same thing with the US.

@Al Kai Da - RTFF - Read the fucking .. (5, Insightful)

burni2 (1643061) | about 8 months ago | (#46309699)

.. Fatwa

Stop blasting yourself into pieces, it's forbidden,
and no your chance to survive is below the mars mission.

Re:@Al Kai Da - RTFF - Read the fucking .. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46310053)

Stop blasting yourself into pieces, it's forbidden, and no your chance to survive is below the mars mission.

Unless, of course, the plan is to blow yourself up... on Mars!. Had to throw in a plot twist there.

Re:@Al Kai Da - RTFF - Read the fucking .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46310061)

On second thought, that's more of a plot device than a plot twist. Which makes sense, since it involves devices detonating.

How is this a suicide? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46309703)

Choosing to live the rest of your life in a distant location is not a suicide in any way. If they choose to see this as suicide, then why do they allow youngsters to enroll in their armies? That looks a heck of a lot closer to suicide.

mars death (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46309747)

Something can and will go wrong on the mission that will cause you to die before you die of natural causes.

Re:How is this a suicide? (2)

khallow (566160) | about 8 months ago | (#46309751)

Choosing to live the rest of your life in a distant location is not a suicide in any way.

From the article:

âoeSuch a one-way journey poses a real risk to life, and that can never be justified in Islam,â the committee said. âoeThere is a possibility that an individual who travels to planet Mars may not be able to remain alive there, and is more vulnerable to death.â

It does sound pretty flimsy as an argument. But keep in mind that current one-way plans to go to Mars really haven't even gotten to the Power Point stage yet. They don't really have a lot of incentive to burn brain power on this. I suspect this is a nice way to say, "please don't fall for these scams".

Re:How is this a suicide? (3)

Firethorn (177587) | about 8 months ago | (#46309903)

It does sound pretty flimsy as an argument. But keep in mind that current one-way plans to go to Mars really haven't even gotten to the Power Point stage yet. They don't really have a lot of incentive to burn brain power on this. I suspect this is a nice way to say, "please don't fall for these scams".

I think there's translation issues, but what it amounts to is that the proposed mars journey is not only effectively one way, they're also not hauling enough supplies for you to live the rest of your life.

So rather than living to ~70 or so minimum, assuming no accident takes you out earlier, you're going on a trip with no real scientific value other than studying how you end up croaking, where your life on mars maxes out at around 3-5 years* from lift-off. You're not fighting a war, you're not dying to save others, etc...

Would the Fatwa have been issued if the proposal was 'The plan is to visit mars and come back, but we figure the odds are 50-50 that something will happen that we can't make it back, but in return we'll collect all this information that may help explorers in the future'? Maybe, maybe not. There's plenty of hazardous expeditions that Muslims have gone on without having a Fatwa issued against it - scaling Mount Everest, visiting the South/North pole, etc...

*From what I've seen of the proposal.

Re:How is this a suicide? (3, Insightful)

erikkemperman (252014) | about 8 months ago | (#46310047)

There's plenty of hazardous expeditions that Muslims have gone on without having a Fatwa issued against it - scaling Mount Everest, visiting the South/North pole, etc.

And the ISS, if I remember correctly. There were some issues in determining the direction in which to pray, but those were resolved. Wonder how that would work for Martian Muslims, though.

Re:How is this a suicide? (3, Interesting)

Firethorn (177587) | about 8 months ago | (#46310343)

I think that the idea is that while visiting the ISS is 'hazardous', there's a lot of hazardous things out there, the religion doesn't forbid hazardous. What it forbids is outright suicide. Join an expedition to reach the top of Everest without a plan to return? That's suicide. Riding a russian rocket up to the ISS? Let's call it a 1% chance of death. Dangerous, but not suicide. For that matter, sacrificing yourself for others (war, evacuation and such) isn't considered suicide either, even if death is certain.

As for the Martian Muslims, it depends on which sect they belong to - the simplistic method is simply to pray facing the Earth, but there's something forbidding praying towards the sun(so when Mars and the Earth are on opposite sides...). Then there's the fact that they don't actually use a straight line calculation, they use the shortest route, which means using a circle route on earth... Alaskan Muslims pray pretty much straight north because of that. Also means that you have an actual direction rather than 'into the ground' while on the opposite side of the planet. But when on mars it'd likely be the retrograde orbit to reach Earth.

Assuming significant colonization of mars by practicing Muslims, I wouldn't be surprised if some leader there just declares a 'Spiritual Martian Mecca' on Mars for them to face when praying.

Oh, and there's the clarification that if you're spending more worry about which direction to pray in than the prayer itself, you're doing it wrong and that there's an 'any' option in that case. Oh, and you shouldn't change facing during the prayer, even if Mecca is going to pull a 180(start facing towards, end facing away) during that time. Figure out the direction in an expedient fashion(computers are allowed) and pray.

Ha! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46309729)

Even the crazies think this is nuts!

Religon (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46309731)

Yawn, no one cares.
ps: There is no god.

Re:Religon (2)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about 8 months ago | (#46309845)

YOU might not care.

But the fact that many, many other humans DO care is a factor that you should not dismiss so quickly or lightly, Grasshopper.

Nothing to see here, move along (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46309753)

No committing suicide. I think the other religions have something similar.

Hold the lines (4, Funny)

Dorianny (1847922) | about 8 months ago | (#46309779)

I can't see many religious people lining up for an expedition to discover if life evolved on another planet. They still don't believe that it evolved on this one.

Yay (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46309801)

Given all the difficulties inherent to survival on Mars, the last thing you need are Muslims.

Fine. (1, Interesting)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 8 months ago | (#46309811)

More space for the rest of us.

Re:Fine. (1)

EnsilZah (575600) | about 8 months ago | (#46309945)

Only until the hard part is done, then it's not suicide anymore.

Re:Fine. (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 8 months ago | (#46310009)

Someone may one day make a lot of money running ferry ships from outpost settlements to Earth and back so very rich Muslims can visit Mecca. The target market may be very tiny, but their religlin obliges them to go if they can afford it.

Re:Fine. (1)

Tanuki64 (989726) | about 8 months ago | (#46310127)

Oopps... nope... Mars mission is nothing for me... No women for the rest of my life.

Shouldn't he issue a Fatwa against Smoking? (5, Interesting)

Mr_Wisenheimer (3534031) | about 8 months ago | (#46309817)

After all, Tobacco leads to the premature death of most people who use it.

I always thought of suicide as the act of killing yourself just for the sake of killing yourself. While one might call something a "suicide mission", that is not the same as suicide, is it? If a soldier stays behind to man a turret in the face of certain death to provide covering fire so his comrades can escape, is he committing suicide?

Welcome to the 7th century (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46309823)

Islam, the religion of ignorance and hate

glad that was cleared up (1)

singlevalley (1368965) | about 8 months ago | (#46309847)

now, onto the less important things...

Don't agree with the reasoning (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46309859)

I'm not Muslim, but the internal logic of the decision doesn't make sense to me.

Most religions hold suicide distinct from doing a good thing that happens to get one killed--like, say, refusing to recant one's faith under persecution and getting executed for it. If the trip is a really good thing for humanity (the person does useful science or exploration that wouldn't just be done by a rover anyway), and someone's taking the trip for that reason and not specifically to get killed, then looked at that way it's not suicide. If it were tourism that were likely to kill someone that might be different, but it's not.

The summary in the Khaleej Times is: 'Whoever opts for this “hazardous trip”, the committee said, is likely to perish for no “righteous reason”'--I'm saying a one-way trip to Mars for science *is* a righteous reason.

Re:Don't agree with the reasoning (1)

omar.sahal (687649) | about 8 months ago | (#46309965)

Actually in the case of someone recanting ones faith in the face of persecution Islam is ok with that, as long as you don't really mean it and your trying to save your life. What many on Slashdot don't know is it's an imperative to preserve life in Islam, we do have Muslims, with a belief backed by enormous amounts of oil money, that would use suicide in military situations though. The death under persecution argument doesn't support your hypothesis. P.S. it is very possible that there's more to it than I know.

Re:Don't agree with the reasoning (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46310131)

I would say there is a -huge- amount you don't know. Might I suggest at least studying some of their religious texts before you make any claims -whatsoever- about what their beliefs are. There's a reason there are so many suicide bombers. Guess what, it has nothing to do with preservation of life. Well.. at least so long as it's not Muslim life.. and so long as it's the -right- kind of Muslim life... Of course.. people who think that Islam, Christianity, and Judaism are 'Non-violent' and "preach love" are just fooling themselves and may in fact be the most dangerous form of astroturfer I've ever come across. Just turfing it in real life mostly instead of just forums and reviews.

Murderer (1)

Flozzin (626330) | about 8 months ago | (#46309865)

Bringing a child into this world is murder. You know that new life will die. There is 0 chance that they will live forever. Therefor you create life while knowing it will suffer and die. This is a pretty flimsy case. There are other things that are just as risky. If not more risky.

"suicide, which all religions frown upon" (0, Flamebait)

thephydes (727739) | about 8 months ago | (#46309873)

Except if you are blowing yourself up in the name of God.....Fucking hypocrites!

Re:"suicide, which all religions frown upon" (2, Insightful)

artor3 (1344997) | about 8 months ago | (#46309927)

You realize Muslim people aren't a hivemind, right? The people blowing themselves up aren't the ones issuing this fatwa. I presume you're an atheist... are you a "fucking hypocrite" for opposing mass murder, given the actions of Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot?

Re:"suicide, which all religions frown upon" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46310073)

That is a bad example to prove that he is also an hypocrite. A better argument would be that all humans are hypocrites at one level or another and at some point of life.

Re:"suicide, which all religions frown upon" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46310093)

Oh that old story again. So if Stalin had been a vegetarian he would have killed in the name of all vegetarians? If Pol Pot liked classical music he murdered in name of all classical music lovers? Of course not. The fact that they might have been atheists has nothing to do with what they did, they didn't do it "in the name of atheism".

Also Atheism is not an organized institution like religions are, so there's no one that can speak "for" atheists, that's like someone who would speak "for" people who love sunsets.

Religions on the other hand *are* and therefore *can* and *do* assert influence. It's not enough for example that individuals are against horrific deeds performed by some few fanatics of their religion, it's their institution that solely by the fact that it represents many many millions that has a moral obligation to speak out and let know they don't condone these kind of acts, and then they need to go out and *teach* that to their constituency.
If you don't do that... then indeed they are "fucking hypocrites".

Re:"suicide, which all religions frown upon" (2)

artor3 (1344997) | about 8 months ago | (#46310219)

So when these atheist dictators banned religion and went around killing those who practiced it, that was just ONE BIG COINCIDENCE and had nothing to do with their atheism?

Riiiiight. Just grow up, and realize that religion, atheism, whatever... none of those things kill. Assholes who think their way is the only way... they kill. Assholes with your mindset, only with more power and less morals.

Also Atheism is not an organized institution like religions are, so there's no one that can speak "for" atheists, that's like someone who would speak "for" people who love sunsets.

You realize Catholicism isn't the only religion, right? Most religions don't have a central authority. Any Islamic scholar can issue a fatwa. But the fact that 99.9% of Muslims oppose terrorism doesn't seem to be swaying the terrorists. Because, again, religions aren't hive minds. Members don't really have much influence over each other, and they have even less influence over people who have already proven themselves willing to kill.

Re:"suicide, which all religions frown upon" (4, Insightful)

abies (607076) | about 8 months ago | (#46310327)

But the fact that 99.9% of Muslims oppose terrorism doesn't seem to be swaying the terrorists.

Quotation needed. I think that you are considerably underestimating amount of 'angry Muslims' in the world.
If you would say 99.9% of Muslims aren't _actively_ involved in terrorism - sure. But oppose?

Because, again, religions aren't hive minds. Members don't really have much influence over each other, and they have even less influence over people who have already proven themselves willing to kill.

Now, this is pure BS. Religions are closest thing people have to hive minds (I count cults of dictators, like in NK, as a religion, even if it is not using world 'god'). Religons influence minds of people in extreme ways. Think about Scientists or other strange cults/sects - this is example of religion completely brainwashing the person. Bigger religions are trying to be slightly more subtle, but still, religion is probably best mind manipulation tool ever invented by mankind.

Re:"suicide, which all religions frown upon" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46310103)

You realize Muslim people aren't a hivemind, right? The people blowing themselves up aren't the ones issuing this fatwa. I presume you're an atheist... are you a "fucking hypocrite" for opposing mass murder, given the actions of Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot?

The flaw there is assuming atheism is a religion rather than a state of mind.

There is no church of atheism and no holy text containing commandments; being an atheist is a self-description, a label, and nothing else.

Re:"suicide, which all religions frown upon" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46310149)

http://news.yahoo.com/atheist-mega-churches-root-across-us-world-214619648.html
http://firstchurchofatheism.com/

Re:"suicide, which all religions frown upon" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46310115)

Islam is nothing like Catholicism or its derivates in that regard. There are many sets of clerics issuing many (often conflicting) fatwas, and part of the tradition of that religion is debating who is interpreting the texts correctly over any given issue.

Atheism is not a religion per see (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46310129)

Atheism is just the disbelief in gods and it means nothing else. Heck even buddhist IIRC are "religious" atheist. So your comaprison with mao lenine or whomever fail on so many points it isn't funny. Furthermore the one you cited did not murder because of atheism, or in the name of atheism , but mostly to grasp at power and eliminate discontent and opposition. There is nothing in atheism which makes one want to murder or justify murder. On the other hand in many religious book , including the bible, murder in the name of gods is actually "fine". So really if you want to justify genocide, simply say that you are following the old testament for example. Plenty of stuff inside to justify genocide.

Re:Atheism is not a religion per see (1)

N1AK (864906) | about 8 months ago | (#46310183)

So your comaprison with mao lenine or whomever fail on so many points it isn't funny.

No, it's completely valid. A muslim who believes in peace and leaving others alone living in Birmingham has nothing more common with a Jihadist Somali suicide bomber than I, an atheist, have with Pol Pot. Being a muslim doesn't entirely define someone, nor does any religion fortunately, and it's no fairer to tar them all with the same brush than it is when extremists do it to 'all westerners' etc.

Re:"suicide, which all religions frown upon" (2)

gtall (79522) | about 8 months ago | (#46310185)

Bullshit. Point to the Fatwa against Jihad.

Re:"suicide, which all religions frown upon" (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about 8 months ago | (#46310235)

You realize Muslim people aren't a hivemind, right?

Actually, the problem is that a lot of radical Muslim terrorist haven't realized that they are a hivemind.

Islamic terrorism is a world problem that can only be solved by Muslims. Those radicals will not listen to anyone else besides their fellow Muslims.

The USA can send as many armies as it likes to places all over the world . . . but that will not stop those terrorists. India could hatch another Gandhi who could starve himself to death . . . that would not stop Islamic terrorism either. The only folks in the world who can possibly put an end to all this madness are fellow Muslims.

So maybe it would be a good start if some of these Fatwa folks would start issuing Fatwas against terrorism . . .?

Unfortunately, it really doesn't seem like mainstream, peaceful, Muslim folks have any interest in taking on the radical Islamic terrorist folks.

So we're stuck with the status quo. I don't expect to see any changes in this in my lifetime.

Suicide bad (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46309877)

Murder, on the other hand, is something all major religions find okay as long as the victim is someone they don't like.

Re:Suicide bad (1)

outsider007 (115534) | about 8 months ago | (#46310233)

...and not a fetus.

Oh no! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46309893)

I'm going to take this just as seriously as the other meaningless jabber from the General Authority of Islamic Affairs and Endowment in the United Arab Emirates.

Imaginary controversies (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46309897)

Is the "problem" of the spiritual implications of Muslims on Mars actually of concern to anyone, anywhere, aside from these "clerics?" Is NASA proposing to make a Reality Mission to Mars with a Buddhist, Catholic, Sikh and Muslim on board?

What, pray-tell, do the muftis and imams advise wrt "East" during prayer while in orbit around, say, the Moon? Are these hypothetical Muslims supposed to aim back to Earth?

Eventually we'll end up with female Muslims in space... complete with helmet integrated niqab...?

This has got to be the single most absurd manufactured controversy I've seen yet. Congratulations Islam; you've invented an "issue" out of whole cloth and managed to perturb the global media. Where is Pat Condell when you need him!?

This explains why Republicans... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46309901)

are always so anti-NASA.

People should be less ignorant (1)

Beryllium Sphere(tm) (193358) | about 8 months ago | (#46309919)

"All religions"?!

It makes sense to study what drives the inhabitants of this planet, which is often their religion.

Newsworthy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46309993)

So what? Is it that hard for people to understand if not respect others religion? This constant provoking of religious believes got to stop, it only leads to unneeded conflict.

Re:Newsworthy? (-1, Troll)

Dunbal (464142) | about 8 months ago | (#46310211)

Why should I respect stupidity and willful ignorance? Because that is what religion is. ALL religion.

Censoring (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46310017)

How come you always moderate my posts? Care to answer that? No, well i guess that's because you have no real good reason for doing so other than your judgmental attitude.

That prohibition on suicide has worked wonders (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46310101)

I havent heard of any suicide terrorism from the islamic world. yeah i know some muslims might argue that its more like dying in battle as long as its perceived to be in defense of islam, while some may say its certainly suicide and is forbidden. thats the best part about big books of choose your own adventure. you can interpret a set of rules in the quran, the hadith literature, the tafsirs, the torah, the bible, etc in any way you see fit and you cant be wrong. when you are told to mow down people for imaginary rules being broken, or for believing the wrong thing and you say "no, when it says 'kill them' it means something else" you cant be wrong if you can find a nice peachy verse provided you jettison or weasel out of the direct commands. "homosexuality is wrong, it says right here in leviticus! i even believe it so much that i got a tattoo of it" "you know it says in the same book that tattoos are also a crime that you should be killed for, right?" "oh thats just a metaphor or an allegory or some other thing that makes my awesome tattoo great and 2 men kissing totally wrong"

Shouldn't it issue a Fatwa against suicide bombing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46310105)

Shouldn't the Fatwa committee issue a Fatwa against suicide bombing?

It just shows how inconsistent, irrational and selfish these Fatwa committee members are.

I laugh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46310125)

I think it's kinda funny that this is coming out of a religious leader in a foreign country's mouth and not Christian-American ones.

Now to be honest. Any and all trips to any heavenly body other than the Moon is suicide. Not because it's currently a one-way trip, but because the actual economics of the trip do not allow for designing a two-way trip. We simply can't send a space ship and land it. Though...

Why not just leave the ship in orbit? Have we not learned anything from games like OUTPOST and Alpha Centauri? Send down pods on carbon fiber ropes instead of landing them in the most one-way means possible. Leave the mothership in orbit.

A return trip would likely require a little more planning. Anyone going to mars would be stuck there for at least an earth year (1 mars orbit is nearly 2 earth orbits) and a bit. Unfortunately any ship we design to go there is unlikely able to produce the needed fuel to come back. According to at least one documentary (with the topic of evacuate earth) , if we had to do it now, we could, but we'd be basically packing up the richest/smartest people and telling everyone else to welcome their fiery god of death or something.

Which comes back to my point about suicides. Would it not be considered suicide to NOT leave earth, even if it means never coming back? Would the religious people never want to go even if it meant the planet would be destroyed anyway? (No not happening, but just on the basis of "we've been lucky so far", we should have humans on more than one planet, even if one of those are less hospitable. We need to advance robotic technology much much farther than it currently is though.

Irony (4, Funny)

Dunbal (464142) | about 8 months ago | (#46310209)

the religious leaders argue that making the trip would be tantamount to committing suicide, which all religions tend to frown upon."

Brought to you by the religion that also endorses suicide bombers, because some suicides are actually ok.

But... but... (4, Insightful)

Maritz (1829006) | about 8 months ago | (#46310265)

What if there's a school on Mars that has a girl in it? It's not going to blow itself up now, is it?!?! More short-sightedness from the 'clerics'.

Re:But... but... (1)

X10 (186866) | about 8 months ago | (#46310295)

I'm sure Iran's space progam is solely aimed at sending a missile to that school.

Re:But... but... (1)

Maritz (1829006) | about 8 months ago | (#46310305)

With a loyal mujaheddin strapped on, I should hope..!

This from a religion (1, Insightful)

msobkow (48369) | about 8 months ago | (#46310287)

This from a religion famous for suicide bombers.

What a shame the radicals and terrorists don't actually READ the Koran.

So is staying on earth (2)

giorgist (1208992) | about 8 months ago | (#46310311)

Pretty much anybody staying on earth or even having returned to earth after going to space has died here. There is no technology yet that can change that.
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