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DARPA Funds Research Into a Network-Based Interpretation of Dreams

Soulskill posted about 5 months ago | from the i-was-funneled-into-a-distortive-hub-by-percolative-clowns dept.

Science 54

KentuckyFC writes "Despite the universal experience of dreaming, psychologists and neuroscientists have little understanding of its purpose and mechanisms, or how it varies from one culture to another. So new approaches to oneirology, or dream research, are always welcome. Now a DARPA-funded research team is using network science to analyse dreams for the first time. Dreams have become amenable to network studies because dream reports and their interpretations are now widely available on the web in repositories such as UC Santa Cruz's Dreambank. The DARPA team crawled these databases in English, Chinese and Arabic for symbols that appear in dreams and their descriptions. They then created a network for each language by treating symbols as nodes and linking them to other nodes with similar descriptions. They then searched the networks for regions of more densely connected nodes that form communities. For example, in English, symbols such as 'ladder,' 'hill' and 'goal" form just such a community, representing 'achievement after a struggle.' Finally, they compared the communities from different languages to look for similarities. The results show that dream symbols seem to be connected in similar ways regardless of the cultural background of the dreamers. That provides a new window into the cultural links between dreams experienced by people in different parts of the world."

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54 comments

4/1 (2)

Tablizer (95088) | about 5 months ago | (#46340999)

April 1st coming early this year

Re:4/1 (1)

rmdingler (1955220) | about 5 months ago | (#46341229)

So My Little Pony was just a dream?

Re:4/1 (3, Funny)

FatdogHaiku (978357) | about 5 months ago | (#46341631)

So My Little Pony was just a dream?

We could ask The Dream Police... if only we knew where they lived...

Re:4/1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46342497)

Hoarding little ponies in a school locker is a serious health issue requiring multilevel dream therapy, to avoid the empty, scary dream space.

Re:4/1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46343473)

So My Little Pony was just a dream?

We could ask The Dream Police... if only we knew where they lived...

NSA Headquarters?

Re:4/1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46345725)

So My Little Pony was just a dream?

We could ask The Dream Police... if only we knew where they lived...

Thanks to the DMCA Police, the video now I was looking for now lives inside of my head. But the episode that would make the video work also goes great with Dokken. Dream Warriors! [youtube.com]

(And for you retro folks, some Eurythmics: Sweet Dreams! [youtube.com]

not 4/1, but 420 (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 5 months ago | (#46342365)

Maybe someone at DARPA has been giving the bong a workout again.

What is this really? (5, Interesting)

muhula (621678) | about 5 months ago | (#46341107)

This study doesn't have to do with dreams so much as word association. If you think that multiple cultures having similar dream interpretation reinforces anything about what the dreams actually mean, you'd be a bit misled

Re:What is this really? (1)

icebike (68054) | about 5 months ago | (#46341147)

And if you think you see a rational reason why DARPA should be involved you would be further misled:

Just how this work fits in to DARPA’s broader mission to create breakthrough technologies for national security is rather obscure. But a better understanding of the similarities and differences between cultures is surely in everyone’s interests.

Maybe the Borg is closer than we think!

Re:What is this really? (5, Insightful)

dcollins117 (1267462) | about 5 months ago | (#46341405)

And if you think you see a rational reason why DARPA should be involved you would be further misled:

They have an interest in keeping soldiers in good working order and that includes mental health. Whether dream reasearch can further that goal is an open question, but as long as they are willing to fund the research, I don't see a problem with it. Who knows? Maybe it will help, maybe it will be a dead end. Let's do the science and find out.

Re:What is this really? (1)

AHuxley (892839) | about 5 months ago | (#46341423)

Classic work for anthropologists, linguistics and translators with deep internet searching and great gov funding :)
The main aspect would be to get a first hint of any forum posts about political ideas - even via dreams and "who" is doing the interpretation.
Basically the jargon needed to shape and infiltrate any new age or faith based or cult around the world or just mess with their forums if they become interesting..
The wider public gets hints of such efforts e.g. The Human Terrain System (HTS) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H... [wikipedia.org]
The other option is long term efforts to place a person into a group. A local willing to work for a foreign government for cash may not have the skills/background to move up in a faith based group.
Over years the ability to fit in and hold discussions on varied topics may be helped with a database expected faith based material.
Beyond that think about the need for sleep and what the lack of sleep can do.....

Oneirology Is Dream Research? (1)

rmdingler (1955220) | about 5 months ago | (#46341165)

Damn. Smartest guy in the room.

I will totally be using that one tomorrow.

Fix the headline! (4, Funny)

tlambert (566799) | about 5 months ago | (#46341189)

Fix the headline!

"DARPA funds psychic friends network"

!!!

Re:Fix the headline! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46344091)

Fix the headline!

"DARPA funds psychic friends network"

!!!

Dammit! I read that as "psychic fiends network", which filled me with hope for the destruction of humanity!

Onward... (2)

Anna Merikin (529843) | about 5 months ago | (#46341293)

Toward a digital Tarot. From Wikipedia : Tarot: "From the late 18th century until the present time the tarot has also found use by mystics and occultists in efforts at divination or as a map of mental and spiritual pathways...."

What, exactly, is the difference between a digital map of "closely connected symbolic nodes" on a network and a "map of mental and spiritual pathways?

Re:Onward... (2)

AHuxley (892839) | about 5 months ago | (#46341545)

It really depends on the funding, time in history and needed results.
From psychological analysis of leaders to trying to shape their faith or change/out pace the mystics they use.
Telling a leader that larger historical forces are at work might distract them from military reports or intelligence leaking reality.
Start a coup too early, late based on faith based guidance and a friendly gov stays in power.
Start a grass roots protest too late and a friendly dictator stays in power or can change the message.

Regardless of what you're dreaming (1)

msobkow (48369) | about 5 months ago | (#46341453)

The boss is gonna be pissed if you don't wake up and get your ass back to work. :P

DARPA... has released another cover story. (-1, Offtopic)

strstr (539330) | about 5 months ago | (#46341503)

These guys are sitting on classified technology and research into mind reading and mind alteration, called TAMI; Thought Amplifier and Mind Interface...

The technique became possible in 1974, when Robert Malech invented a radar system that could read and alter brainwaves remotely, thereby allowing the DoD, CIA, US DOJ and others to deploy a system which soon allowed all brainwaves to be monitored on a world wide scale using the existing radar systems of 1976. The patent is 3,951,134, Apparatus and method for remotely monitoring and altering brain waves. Boom, suddenly they're decoding evoked potentials and seeing what you see, hear, think, feel, and.. dream. At this point, over the last 35 years, a shit load of psychic warfare has went down, Americans have been tortured and abused with it, and mind alteration and reading had been perfected. Dreams can not only be read, but fully simulated, and they know how to track its effects and what its purpose is. I cannot devulge specifics, but their secretive research should be targeted and disseminated, because they are lying at every coner with these bullshit articles. They come out saying they don't know the purpose of dreams, .. this is only true in the public realm, and its a flat out lie. On top of that, similar cover stories ran by the DOD like they say they are just starting synthetic telepathy research in 2008, when the technologies been in use covertly for dozens of years .. and whistleblowers like Dr. Robert Duncan say it has been perfected, ..

Please click through to this page for Dr. Robert Duncan's books, the patents, and his interviews on Coast to Coast and Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory TV show on TruTV. http://www.oregonstatehospital... [oregonstatehospital.net]

Here are Duncan's credentials. He has worked for fortune 500 companies, the DOD, CIA, and US DOJ.. He has the most expensive American education money can buy and he specializes in technologies like directed energy, AI, and brain-computer interfaces. He has interviewed thousands of victims, of this system used for covert mind control, which he says he helped design. Additionally, it does heart rate and vital tracking, movement tracking, and license plate scans from space : http://www.coasttocoastam.com/... [coasttocoastam.com]

I personally experience simulated dreams every night, which were made with this system. They computer generate the dreams, and use story boards to construct the story and landscapes, .. neurofeedback allows me to control and adapt the dreams, telling the computer how to change it in response to my thoughts and impulses. People are fully tied into their memories during dreaming, and that is incoporated.

Part of Dr. Robert Duncan's book The Matrix Deciphered:

Here is secret #1 that has been suppressed by the forces of ignorance in the government. There was a patent that I will keep referring to throughout this book because of the importance of the work. It is published in the appendix. In 1974, Robert Malech, an employee of Dorn & Margolin Inc., a major defense subcontractor in radar design now owned by EDO Corporation an even larger all defense contractor in electronic warfare, invented a fairly simple radar device that could read whole brain electrical activity at a large distance . It has the major advantages of no wires and full brain electrical activity analysis, not just points on the skull surface. He discovered and perfected a way to use some simple electromagnetic oscillations anywhere from 100Mhz to 40 Ghz to read brainwaves by "illuminating" the brain and its electrical conductance then reading the return signal. The imaging method observes the changes of frequency resonances, amplitude, and phase which represent the states of neuron depolarization throughout the brain.

Secret #2. But more profoundly, he discovered that he could influence brain waves if precisely timed with a return training signal. He had no idea that at this moment in history, he had accidentally destroyed democracy as we envision it to be. The military and surveillance community immediately picked up on the patent and within two years had reprogrammed their communications and surveillance satellites and terrestrial phased arrays with the new concepts. The rapid deployment of this technology occurred because it only required software changes in already existing radar, imaging, and communications' terrestrial dishes and satellites. Many additional spy satellites have been launched since to bolster the system. So in 1976, on the bicentennial of this great nation, a system called TAMI was born. TAMI is an acronym for "Thought Amplifier and Mind Interface". A more invasive "Big Brother" technology came about before George Orwell's prediction of 1984.

Secret #3. Stealth RADAR techniques were first recorded by observing the Russian bombardment of the U.S. embassy in Moscow with microwaves. Using high powered steered phased arrays and focused directed energy from two sources next to each other, one can create a nearly undetectable "scalar" wave, or destructive interference at the point of interest. With just a minor energy interaction, the interfering beams bounce back with strong signal to noise ratio to be resolved at the sources again. This allows for any imaging technique to be done from extremely large distances. In effect, it makes distance irrelevant to the detection feature, be it RADAR, MRI, or ESR imaging.

At the same time, the Russians had discovered and were developing similar capabilities. This accelerated the secret arms race that continues to this day. The research and capabilities have come a long way in the last 30 years. Even if one didn't have direct access to the knowledge of surveillance capabilities, one could project out in time 30 years knowing technology developments increase at an exponential rate. At that time the military demonstrated the capability of reading automobile license plates from satellite images.

In order to cover up and not draw attention to mind reading radar, the whole field of psychic phenomena and paranormal psychology was invented to deceive the civilian populations of what was occurring. The Russian's showed their hand when they started bombarding the U.S. embassy in Moscow with microwaves in the late 60's, and then with the 7 Russian Wood Pecker transmitters that began operation in 1976 pointed at the U.S.

Unfortunately, due to the nature of this new weapon, many human minds are needed to create the database of specific brain data necessary to increase the effectiveness on a larger and larger population. These are referred to as the "Cataloguing and Cloning operations". In this context, cloning does not refer to human cloning, but EEG cloning. Many have misunderstood this fact and then it was popularized by the T.V. series "X-Files". These cloning operations are what plague the human race today as every country feels the need to have this weapon that requires torturing and killing many people of their own populations to develop.

EEG cloning means to copy someone else's brainwaves onto another person. The discovery made by Robert Malech allows this to be done wirelessly anywhere in the world. A new military division emerged called The Psychic Warfare Unit initially stationed in the Pentagon but most likely it was rolled into the Psychological Operations, Electronic Warfare, and Informational Warfare Units. Initially this became a great intelligence gathering tool. Psychically spying into other people's minds was an incredible feat.

I don't use the term EEG cloning much because it refers only to the special case of observing a targets mind. That is only one aspect of the technology. Malech discovered he could influence brain waves just as easily as reading them. So at the other extreme, a psychic warrior can EEG clone his brainwaves onto a target. This is symbolized in the movie "The Matrix" where the agents take over random citizens bodies while in pursuit of the heroes. The correct terminology to describe everything in between the two extremes is EEG heterodyning. Heterodyning is an engineering term which means to mix signals. So EEG cloning is just a special case of EEG heterodyning.

EEG cyber hive mind is another term used for EEG heterodyning for non-weapons use experiments. These are collectives of people who share one common set of brain waves. They jokingly refer to the process of forcing someone into a collective as "Borging" them, a reference to the evil cyborg civilization from Star Trek. They are studying both the long term effects of being in this kind of collective mind configuration and how to use it to control, spy through, disable, or kill a target. They also are studying communication and organization without spy gadgets of any kind for synchronized missions.

The emerging field which intersects at the physics of psychology is called "psychophysics". The dynamics of the mind are well described from neuroscience reductionism. Artificial neural networks have been around for over half a century. But the new challenge is to map exactly the subjective experiences of consciousness to the physics of organic intelligences informational signal processing including biochemical and electromagnetic. The word "Psychophysics" has additional connotations that are quite appropriate in the way that this field has evolved in the secret labs around the world. The tools of psychophysicists are called psychotronics. It is this area of research that has given rise to all the conspiracy theories on the New World Order psychoterrorists, secret societies involvement, mind control and satanic cults. Mind control weapons are the holy grail of the ultimate weapon and has given birth to the world's most notorious, sociopathic scientists which in turn have spawned a generation of the most intense human suffering for weapons testing efficacy the people of this planet have ever endured.

The First Documented use of Mind Reading RADAR

In order to reduce the effects from the bombardment of the U.S. embassy in Moscow with microwaves, they put up microwave screens on the windows of the building. Oddly enough, this actually had the opposite effect of increasing the microwave intensity inside. The only way this can happen is if interferometry was being used on the embassy. If you block a path of the interfering / heterodyning wave fronts, you can lessen the destructive interference pattern thereby increasing the measurable energy. This was the first documented use of so called "scalar weapons". ...

Electron Spin Resonance (ESR)

This is the secret sauce that the conspiracy kills to keep secret. Notice that there are no ESR machines in hospitals. Why? Because it would become immediately obvious how easy it is to read body electricity from RADAR, i.e. brain waves at a distance. The basic concept is simple and very analogous to the way Magnetic Resonance Imaging works. It works on manipulating spin and gyro frequency of electrons.

Electron Spin Polarity Resonance (EPR)

In this imaging technique the spin polarity is measured by flipping it which adds or subtracts energy from the system. Energy must be conserved so a photon is given off if it goes to a lower energy spin state. It is "heated" during the movement to a higher energy state prepping it for a synchronized transition back to a lower energy state. The body's electricity is modulated into delayed state transitions because of the local electric field variations. This return signal is processed and the very high signal to noise EEG patterns are extracted. The sensitivity is truly "science fiction" like. Even a single nerve or neuron firing can be picked up individually. This gives new meaning to Signal Intelligence.

Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI)

Very similar to the way magnetic imaging works with the spin of the nuclei of atoms with their magnetic moments. ...

Millimeter wave, Infra-red and Visible Wavelength Satellite Imaging

This topic is self explanatory. Everyone has seen the incredible detailed infrared imaging capabilities of the military. They can see heat signatures through walls. What do haunted houses, ghosts, alien abductions, and the Bermuda Triangle have in common? Remember how the air becomes electrified before a haunting by the appearance of a poltergeist in movies inspired by this weapons testing on the public? We've busted our ghost in the machine! Remember how planes would be downed in the Bermuda Triangle because their compass needles and instruments would go haywire? Those were directed energy attacks from the Puerto Rico Radar field built in 1959. Remember all the shows about cars stalling and radio stations flipping right before an alien abduction scenario? These are all the same RADAR tricks but with varying degrees of lethality. These tricks are all done by the same technology and the usual criminals in the bowls of the beast. ...

Van Eck Hacking
Hacking the human brain

Computer hackers are always finding ways to zombify as many machines as they can. This means that they find a way to hack into your system and install remote control software of some sort. The Military's programs, called Zombie I-V, were similar in goal. They wanted to be able to hack into people's minds and create remote controlled zombies. They succeeded over 30 years ago and the technology is now close to perfected. There is a stalking phenomenon occurring in America and around the world. Read "Terrorist Stalking in America" for another perspective.

There are three kinds of stalkers one of which have been released by the freedom of information act documents that describe government stalking programs, or goon squads as they are called in slang. CIA and other agencies training their employees for intimidation tactics abroad and in the US are one form of the members of terrorist stalking gangs. The CIA has used these tactics to help overthrow governments and intimidate leaders of other countries many times in history.

The second purpose is to play into society's programming that people who think government agents are following them are crazy. Discrediting an individual through mud slinging, black mail, or erratic behavior has been a high priority documented skill for these agencies.

The other two types of stalkers are more dopes and victims of zombification. The global system, TAMI, can hone in on a compatible mind and instantly be able to manipulate it to some varying degree dependent upon many factors. The offense practices their trade by influencing people near a targeted individual to convey information only pertinent to them, for spy games. These people are everyday citizens unfamiliar with this high technology. The effects are so subtle without lots of training to detect, nobody would be the wiser. They would at most just question why they did that or felt the need to say that. ...

Monitoring of Life Signs and Psychic Star Wars Defenses

So almost every human is monitored and tracked by various integrated technologies. One justification for TAMI is that a global system to monitor everyone is necessary to alert the military in case of a psychic war and protect the leaders from electromagnetic influence. But of course in reality it is used for the exact opposite purpose. Uniqueness of heartbeat and breathing patterns (list patents).

Other Star Wars Directed Energy Weapons Plans

I have seen plans for electromagnetic rail guns for launching projectiles in space at other satellites. They use superconducting high powered magnets to accelerate projectiles faster than bullets.

Imaging the brain and other Earth objects

From my protected sources I have seen, brain images derived from the TAMI system. I was not told how they were produced but I can reverse engineer some possibilities given what I know about surveillance capabilities. Using cognitive modeling techniques, one could construct a PET or functional MRI like image showing brain activity simply using the phase, amplitude, and frequency information from mind reading RADAR. A spectral image could be constructed based on models of brain function and an electron spin resonance topographical head map. Since the brain activity is precisely known, it could be rendered and displayed in a 3-D image. Other methods might include using sub-millimeter or Terahertz wave length RADAR or Earth Gauss MRI/ESR techniques. Incredible that this can all be done with a constellation of spy satellites or ground based phased arrays. In medicine one technique is called computed tomography or CAT scan which use x-rays to obtain image data from different angles around the body and then uses computer processing of the information to show a cross-section of body tissues and organs. X-rays are not used for obvious health reasons by the equivalent RADAR imaging but any or all wavelengths under the visible spectrum can be used to obtain a very good image of a person. The infamous HAARP phased array that stretches across Alaska is capable of Earth penetrating tomography. ...

Memory Probing

One of the more useful aspects of this technology is the ability to probe memories. The EEG heterodyning practice attackers play the same game with all victims. They are able through two techniques to walk the victims back in time to think that they have been linked to the victim since birth. Since the capabilities of remote neural stimulation are nearly identical to electrical probes in the brain, a random neural stimulation will trigger memories. This is not used for targeted memory recall, but rather for finding and recording memory anchors for further investigation.

Those memories are used through synthetic telepathy conversations to make the target remember other connected events. Of course direct vocal interrogation techniques can achieve the same results. Over time, this process is effective to get a complete profile of a person's life. Another tangential method used in connection with interrogations is an injected guilt signal. This forces memory recalls in conjunction with a specific memory anchor. So if you feel guilty about some particular memory, those additional memories will surface. And the last method used in these psychic games is more incredible. While the databases storing mental activity are impressive they still don't have the ability to record every human's brain activity continuously for later parsing. They instead sample activity in time and save it. They only have clips of a particular mind, throughout their life, stored for later review. This cuts down on the 1.4 Terabytes per second collective human geopsyche throughput that would be required. 1.4 Terabytes x 31,536,000 seconds in a year = 44,150 Pentabytes per year. The capabilities of computer storage will reach that soon enough for DoD budgets. So reviewing a particular targets brainwave clips, allows them to appear like they have been with the subject of experiment for their entire life through demonstration of knowledge of earlier events.

This brings up the topic of criminal law. Think about how we could perfectly convict crimes against other people. In the movie "Minority Report", their society is able to prevent all premeditated violence. Only crimes of passion continue to be unstoppable. What a shame our government keeps this technology secret for pathetic military and spy uses.

Re:DARPA... has released another cover story. (1)

jddeluxe (965655) | about 5 months ago | (#46341735)

So the tinfoil hat isn't such a bad idea after all???

Re:DARPA... has released another cover story. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46341767)

I hope you didn't use cut'n'paste on all that.
Because if you did now "they" know, and you will be in a lot of trouble.
Dont you realise since windows95 everything you cut, even if you dont paste it, gets sent directly to the NSA.

So that dream where I am flying... (1)

Irick (1842362) | about 5 months ago | (#46341617)

And then suddenly fall like a rock tword a large uncaring abyss with the screams of a uncountable more poor souls filling my ears as we collectively rush onward to an inevitable shared oblivion:
That's about packet loss?

Re:So that dream where I am flying... (1)

stoploss (2842505) | about 5 months ago | (#46342751)

And then suddenly fall like a rock tword a large uncaring abyss with the screams of a uncountable more poor souls filling my ears as we collectively rush onward to an inevitable shared oblivion:
That's about packet loss?

No. It's about Beta.

Sometimes a cigar... (1)

Bob_Who (926234) | about 5 months ago | (#46341679)

...is just a penis

aside from deception what's killing us now today? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46341709)

at a 10% tipover rate & millions infected it's the so-called byrd flu, which does not seem to bother the byrds around here but some of the ordinary citizens are not making it. nothing to read about like when w. va & n. carolina went on thirst based lockdown blackout save for 'official' rhettorhea. by all spiritual aspects we remain bankrupted & searching for answers that match the lies.... better days ahead for sure

At some point... (1)

egcagrac0 (1410377) | about 5 months ago | (#46341771)

Will they discover what electric sheep dream of?

peer review in (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46341773)

informal as all get out http://www.youtube.com/results... [youtube.com]

Slashdot only allows anonymous users to post stuff our advertisers like & it's not you

dream of time before the WMD on credit cabals (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46341915)

seems like around a 1000 years ago, here, before millions of natives were slaughtered for the lowest of motives..... there was no pollution, war, shysters, shyloks, clergy, hired goons etc... a genuine pristine utopical setting..... just a dream for sure?

Darpa seeks to shield populace (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46342035)

from the overt affects associated with the coming Case Nightmare Green. That should be obvious. The stars are almost right...

OK DARPA, tell me what this means. (1)

bistromath007 (1253428) | about 5 months ago | (#46342291)

I once had a dream where I was sleeping on the floor behind the couch in my dad's living room. A cat jumped over me, waking me up. Then an alpaca looked over the back of the couch and started bleating at me. More like screaming, really. It turned around and tried to climb backwards over the back of the couch, and I had to hold its foot to keep it on that side so it wouldn't step on me. Then I noticed that it was starting to shit. The extreme terror of being trapped underneath a shitting alpaca mercifully woke me up before any got on me.

I'd really like to know what the hell that's all about.

Re:OK DARPA, tell me what this means. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46342979)

I once had a dream where I was sleeping on the floor behind the couch in my dad's living room. A cat jumped over me, waking me up. Then an alpaca looked over the back of the couch and started bleating at me. More like screaming, really. It turned around and tried to climb backwards over the back of the couch, and I had to hold its foot to keep it on that side so it wouldn't step on me. Then I noticed that it was starting to shit. The extreme terror of being trapped underneath a shitting alpaca mercifully woke me up before any got on me. I'd really like to know what the hell that's all about.

Burma shave!

I have this recurring dream... (1, Offtopic)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | about 5 months ago | (#46342343)

...about the second letter of the Greek alphabet [wikipedia.org] and I always wake in a cold, cold sweat, screaming "oh my God, NO!" Can't figure out what it means.

enhanced interrogation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46342351)

think about it.

lucidity (2)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 5 months ago | (#46342433)

Who knows what DARPA is really doing and how much of this is just part of the "4 D's", (Deny, Disrupt, Degrade, Deceive).

https://firstlook.org/theinter... [firstlook.org]

But forget DARPA for a moment. Since we're talking about dreams, if you have ever considered learning to have lucid dreams, you really ought to go ahead and do it. It's terrific.

I started playing around with the idea in 2010, and it took me a few months but now I've learned to lucid dream at will. It's the most goddamn fun you can have asleep. Plus, it's really useful. I've done things like solve problems in dreams and have the solution at hand when I wake up (it's not always going to actually solve the problem, but it will always make you think about the problem difficulty) and I've even been able to learn to play pieces of music that I'd previously found very difficulty, by playing them in my dreams, even to the point of seeing the score (it's not exactly the same, but it seems to me that if you rehearse something in a lucid dream, it actually helps you in practice when you try it awake).

Honestly. Give it a try. There are plenty of primers on how to do it available. It's easy, you just have to be patient and practice something called a "state test" at various times through the day. It can be as easy as looking at a street sign, and then looking away for a moment and then looking back to see if it says the same thing. The idea is, that you are testing to see if you are awake or in a dream. Then, when you have practiced this a while, you'll be dreaming and you'll do a state test and then WHOA! you'll realize your dreaming and then it's off to the races. There are other techniques too.

Lucid dreaming can make your dream life a blast.

Re:lucidity (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 5 months ago | (#46342443)

but it will always make you think about the problem difficulty

Sorry, I meant to say, "...it will always make you think about the problem differently"

Re:lucidity (1)

Ol Olsoc (1175323) | about 5 months ago | (#46342695)

idea in 2010, and it took me a few months but now I've learned to lucid dream at will. It's the most goddamn fun you can have asleep. Plus, it's really useful. I've done things like solve problems in dreams and have the solution at hand when I wake up (it's not always going to actually solve the problem, but it will always make you think about the problem difficulty)

I've used dreaming to solve problems for years, long before what I knew what lucid dreaming was. It's really freaky, fun, and funny when it's a group project with a difficult problem, and I would wake having it solved. Almost always the last dream of the night. My better half usually knows when I've solved something also.

Freaks the co-workers out, so I come up with another explanation if they don't know me well.

And it isn't magic either. During the day, I am confronted with a lot of different problems, and the difficult ones of course require more thought, which is at a premium. So last thing I try to think of before nodding off is the problem, and so often, the brain churns it over while I'm sleeping, and reports back right before I wake up.

And yes, when I hit an answer, it's wonderful fun.

Re:lucidity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46342789)

Lucid dreaming can make your dream life a blast.

I'm glad you are enjoying it. I have the contrary perspective: lucid dreaming is nothing but annoying for me. I have a subconscious grip on reality that disallows any "fun" during a lucid dream.

For example, I will realize I'm dreaming and decide I want to soar up to the clouds. My damn mind says "not so fast!" and instead I end up hovering a foot off the ground for a second or two. Basically, anything that my mind knows is impossible to accomplish in real life is off limits. I eventually get so frustrated I wake myself up.

Interestingly, this is the same effect I had the only time I tried hallucinogens: my mind spent the whole time rejecting the experience. That was less than pleasant since you simply have to wait for the drug to metabolize rather than waking up.

Re:lucidity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46343855)

I used to be like that, but the past few years I have gotten over it and made my brain realize that FUN and Fun are two different concepts and that both can be enjoyable. (see Dwarf Fortress, dying is FUN)

Re:lucidity (1)

lazy genes (741633) | about 5 months ago | (#46343187)

I am really good at lucid dreaming. I can form my dreams into a movie and fast forward, reverse,and slow motion. When you slow them down you see that they are packed with information, about a million times the amount that you actually see. Dreaming is all about the mind trying to predict what is going to happen in the future. It is using past experiences to solve future events. The brain is a quantum computer. The only thing that stops you from using it to solve other equations is your own discrimination and prejudice.

Re:lucidity (1)

coinreturn (617535) | about 5 months ago | (#46345675)

My main problem with lucid dreaming is that once I know I'm dreaming, I tend to wake up. Also, my dream life is a blast without doing the lucid thing.

Re:lucidity (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 5 months ago | (#46350321)

Also, my dream life is a blast without doing the lucid thing.

Sure, dreaming was always fun. But there is absolutely nothing like being able to regain agency in the dream state.

Seriously, if you're a vivid dreamer, you're halfway there. Give it a try. You'll wake up upon gaining dream awareness for a while, and then you won't. And once you have that experience of not waking up when becoming aware of being in a dream, you'll wish you had learned the technique sooner.

Re:lucidity (1)

coinreturn (617535) | about 5 months ago | (#46355869)

Also, my dream life is a blast without doing the lucid thing.

Sure, dreaming was always fun. But there is absolutely nothing like being able to regain agency in the dream state.

Seriously, if you're a vivid dreamer, you're halfway there. Give it a try. You'll wake up upon gaining dream awareness for a while, and then you won't. And once you have that experience of not waking up when becoming aware of being in a dream, you'll wish you had learned the technique sooner.

Seriously, I have given it a try. It's just that I'm already such a light sleeper, that awareness of sleeping is enough to wake me, pretty much every time. Enough so that if I become aware I'm dreaming, I try to convince myself that I'm not.

Re:lucidity (1)

Udom (978789) | about 5 months ago | (#46347015)

Charles Bonnet Syndrome. Some people who lose their vision report florid visual hallucinations, and anyone who spends a day wearing a blindfold is likely to experience them as well. We assume that we see with our eyes, but the eyes are only the start point. The brain takes the raw information feed and constructs our visual reality for us. When you're dreaming that system is constructing a visual reality disconnected from the usual input from the eyes. The majority of theories we hear about the nature of dreams suffer from a profound ignorance about how visual information is processed.

Dreamscape (1)

AcesDnied (2542270) | about 5 months ago | (#46342557)

But DARPA instead of the CIA...

Dumb as can be (0)

dargaud (518470) | about 5 months ago | (#46342991)

Dreams are just the garbage disposal of human memory after a day of accumulating cruft. If you do a memory dump _during_ the garbage disposal of a software, of course you'll end up with pieces that contain _some_ info, more or less connected to other pieces of info. It's not entirely random, but it's not interesting either. There was a lamba-calculus paper a decade ago that proved that any sufficiently advanced computation required a garbage collection, and the obvious conclusion was that dreams are just that. I'd like to find that paper again.

I think I know who the lead programmer is. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46343317)

His name is Joesph and he wears a technicolor coat. His boss keeps on wanting to steal it. The wages suck, literally slave wages. Coworkers are annoying, they sing way too much which is unprofessional. He's looking to relocate some place up north.

He told us so... (1)

Consistent1 (1115817) | about 5 months ago | (#46343395)

To sum it up in 3 words:
Carl Gustav Jung.

I'm a Cyberneticist, Just give me the money. (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 5 months ago | (#46343753)

Please? I have a sleep disorder called Sleep Paralysis. [wikipedia.org] In other words I have waking dreams. Before and after (and sometimes during) sleep my body will become paralyzed, and I hear the rushing sound of my brain waves shifting into a sleep pattern -- I stay conscious while my body (and brain) goes to sleep. During sleep random neurons fire in the brain. I experience a very wide range of stimulus (read "tiny hallucinations") which I can discern individually. When a neuron cascade happens in my visual cortex I'll see a white flash in the shape of the neuron group (a tree shape with roots and no leaves). When my auditory processing center is stimulated I'll hear something that sounds a crash with increasingly heavy compression artifacts over a second or so. Deeper auditory stimulus can yield short phrases or sounds. Visual stimulus further in from my visual cortex yields geometric patterns and shapes (the object recognition part of my brain, I suppose). Stimulus deeper in may trigger both visual and auditory stimulus, which usually takes up only a part of my visual field -- It's overlain upon what I see, and occurs deeper into sleep.

Sometimes my hearing will cut out as I go deeper into sleep, vision will also 'cut out'. During a "nod-off" where one's head typically droops I've noticed this is almost always accompanied by a hypnogogic hallucination. The random synapse firing can trigger just about any kind of impulse. There are sensations of moving, falling, rising, etc. In both pre-sleep and hypnapompic (post sleep) hallucinations I've experienced ideas or conceptual hallucinations -- These are VERY hard to distinguish from the random thoughts that bubble up from one's subconscious, however being practiced in meditation I can normalize and mitigate my thoughts, but theses conceptual hallucinations I can not control. For example: "Syntax exists orthogonal to meaning", "subdimensions are indistinguishable from hyperdimensions", "Sub cell particles supply accumulated attributes each pass", were some I had last night; Sometimes they are very meaningless, the last one is a solution to a problem in my thermodynamics simulation, I probably would have got that idea later, it just got sparked while going to bed. I also have "mood" hallucinations: Anger, arousal, fear, joy, etc. will briefly be triggered. I once hallucinated a church bell and a stucco wall up close, and became afraid... I tried and failed to find any scary faces in the wall pattern, it was just a mood stimulus.

After waking (and during sleep) the hypnapompic hallucinations become longer in duration -- The cascades of neurons seem to go on longer. Eg: Instead of flashing a visual "tree" the pattern will branch out and become larger. The auditory hallucinations grow in length too. The "Episodic" hallucinations of dreams seem to be stitching together of these longer random stimuli.

Beyond lucid dreaming, I have transitioned into full consciousness very slowly while dreaming -- The dream "comes apart" at the seams of the hallucinations. While dreaming that I had ordered one of everything on the menu at a restaurant and panicking because I didn't have my wallet, I realized I couldn't have eaten that much food, and that I was dreaming. I walked out of the restaurant without paying, and the clerk was fine with my statement, "This is my dream, I don't have to pay if I don't want to." I thought I saw a car coming down the road, perhaps to pick me up, but it was a giant scaly snake / worm (like something from Tremors or Dune), I heard it "call out" or "honk" but recognized the sound as a typical "overly compressed" sounding auditory cascade. When I turned my attention away from the visual hallucination I noticed the world surrounding it was blackness, I looked "back" but could not summon up the restaurant.

Other random visual and auditory hallucinations occurred for another 5 minutes or so until I regained ability to move. I opened my eyes before the paralysis was fully gone and watched the hallucinations appearing and fading "in front of" my eye's inputs. I sometimes can muster a flop of the arm before the hallucinations disappear and I've discovered my hand goes right "behind" hallucinatory things that seem close to me (typically the aliens or demons that frequent my morning bedside), apparently my brain doesn't know about Z-Buffers...

So, that's what dreams are. There's no "interpreting" them. They're just random firings of your synapses. I think this helps to scrub away residual 'memory' from the pathways that is non-essential, while re-enforcing the more important things, and possibly helping the hippocampus to coordinate the areas to trigger when "remembering" something later. I've found that there are several different kinds of dreams, some where I'm just a passive observer of randomness, and others where I'm far more cognitively engaged and either exploring or problem solving. I think some dreams may help safely experiment with social situations, explore dangers, think of 'new' techniques to try, etc. This is what I would research -- Differentiating types of dreams and determine their benefits, and possibly how to trigger the kind you want.

But no, DARPA will just piss all that money away on some quacks who haven't even ever seen their own neurons fire. What a shame.

Red Dwarf. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46343885)

So now I can finally record my dreams?!
HELL YES.

Video related. [youtube.com]

We obviously have to go deeper (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46344305)

tssia!

ladder, hill, goal? seriously? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46344477)

What is this, Scientology? A teambuilding workshop? These sound like the worst clichés of motivational quackery. I've never dreamt of ladders and goals, and when I do, it probably relates to some experience I had with a ladder and doesn't "symbolize" achievement. I thought symbolist dream interpretation was disproven. Learn lucid dreaming and try to find out what dream content has to do with your individual experience, not some lie about collective archetypes. The kind of metaresearch they do is just a positive feedback loop. It reinforces clichés. It means nothing.

Interesting and relevant to human evolution (1)

3seas (184403) | about 5 months ago | (#46344877)

This is moving in the direction of transition we are currently going through but here science trying to understand it. Where in the process science will mostly just produce supporting research of the merging of our consciousness with our subconscious. Accessing the last link in the article a mention of the iliad caught my attention as I know Julian Jaynes uses the Iliad and the Odyssey to show difference between functioning in a subconscious state and of functioning in a conscious state. As such I updated a wiki page first paragraph to add this in. http://abstractionphysics.net/... [abstractionphysics.net]

Now all we need is a (1)

Mister Liberty (769145) | about 5 months ago | (#46344879)

DARPA funded Horoscope research, and we can safely do anything we like with the masses.

DARPA Almost Scoops Jung...Almost (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46345307)

Um...Jung did this a hundred years ago, didn't he? Even back before we had them fancy computer things and that internet. All he had were: patients, patience, listening, and thinking.

Fuck you DARPA.

Darpa Dreaming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46345589)

Darpa = Bad Dreams. Read psyche warfare /.

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