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Firewire Receives An Emmy

Hemos posted about 13 years ago | from the a-length-of-cable-wrapped-around-the-statue dept.

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AxsDeny writes: "The makers of the ever-so-popular FireWire, Apple Computer, are being given an Emmy by the television industry. Apple will receive the primetime Emmy, which is given by the Academy of Television Arts & Sciences, in a ceremony later Wednesday at the Goldenson Theatre in Hollywood. " So, maybe we can start giving Pulitzers for better keyboards and Oscars for a printer that really prints scripts well. Heh.

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Good (-1, Troll)

rellort (146793) | about 13 years ago | (#2204896)

I always said Apple needs an emena.

Re:Good (-1, Offtopic)

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Re:Good (-1, Offtopic)

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Re:Good (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2206157)

WTF is an "emena", dumbass?

Geez (1)

O (90420) | about 13 years ago | (#2205448)

Talk about a lame-ass publicity stunt. Does anyone else think this is incredibly stupid?

Re:Geez (1)

Pravada (217899) | about 13 years ago | (#2205997)

In primetime, it DOES seem pretty dumb. The Oscars give the technical awards at a different show, it's not the same with the Emmys? Or did Steve Jobs threaten to unleash those horrible Jeff Goldbloom ads again?

Actualy... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2206015)

Actualy, these things are pretty serious, not just publicity stunts.

My Father and his partner once got an Academy award for all the work he did on digitizing audio. (Robert Ingebretsen and Tom Stockham.) Him and his partner 'invented' it, it's actualy a very big thing. I remember the ceremony.

It's not as big as the movie academy awards or the enetertainment emmys, but that's just because the American public is for the most part, idiots.

Re:Actualy... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2206019)

Your dads 'partner'? How very San Fransisco bath house...

Re:Actually... (1)

Pravada (217899) | about 13 years ago | (#2206029)

Academy awards, non-primetime (technical achievement are the day before).

Re:Geez (2, Insightful)

WiggyWack (88258) | about 13 years ago | (#2206058)

Publicity stunt? What did Apple have to do with it from a marketing standpoint? They regularly give an Emmy for this sort of thing - technological advances in TV and film.

publicity stunt (1)

Essron (231281) | about 13 years ago | (#2206065)

It would only classify as a publicity stunt if Apple took action. What do you want them to do, refuse the award?

Firewire is AWESOME, and it makes dealing with audio and video files and applications much eaiser. Having a 1 inch tall hot-swappable 100GB drive is clearly incredible. It brings me great joy, and gives me this wierd fuzzy feeling.

Apple got this award because they invented a quality product which saves the television industry time and money. Perhaps thats why PC's adopted it?

It is a bit silly, giving an emmy to an inanimate entity, but if that post about Video Toaster getting one as well, I think its more than appropriate.

For you unfortuante, stricken, diseased Windoze lovers: Why not contact Jack Valenti and ask him to nominate Bill Gates for an Oscar, presented for making the nightmare of our Orwellian future not just a book, but a reality.

Re:Geez (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2206078)

You mean to tell me that an IEEE standard which became the ultimate tool for amateur video doesn't deserve recognition?

Have you ever played with a Firewire capable computer/camera combo? Go get a Mac. Get a cheap MiniDV camcorder (I have a Cube and a Canon ZR10). Record some video. Plug the camera in and open iMovie, it comes free with your Mac.

Watch how you press the 'Import' button and all of your video gets transferred to the computer at 1:1 time. Watch how fast-forward/rewind functions in iMovie do the fast-forwarding/rewinding on the camera for you. Watch how you can drag and drop your video clips in any order, cut and paste snippets around, add in wipes/digital effects, add sound tracks..

Watch the expression on your face, through the camera, as you realize that you just made a video that looks professional and can be burned to CD or DVD. Perfect for Indy Media or just recording your vacation and sending to all your friends.

If Apple doesn't deserve an Emmy for that, noone does.

Too bad that Apple sucks (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2205982)

they suck. suck my balls, mr. garrison

Re:Too bad that Apple sucks (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2206182)

Go mumble to your self in the corner.

Video Toaster (1)

Skuld-Chan (302449) | about 13 years ago | (#2205983)

As I recall the Newtek Video Toaster got this award once :). Very nice!

Apple sucks (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2205988)

Apple sucks

Steve Ballmer loves him some software developers. (0)

cpeterso (19082) | about 13 years ago | (#2205991)

Steve Ballmer loves him some software developers [] .

IEEE 1394??? (1, Flamebait)

ChristianBaekkelund (99069) | about 13 years ago | (#2205992)

The makers of firewire, "Apple"?...


Why does Apple get this award and not the IEEE for making the IEEE 1394 spec to begin with?...Apple just slapped a fancy name on it and stuck it in a lot of their computers.

Re:IEEE 1394??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2206005)

well, except for the fact that IEEE 1394 is a technology developed by Apple, not the IEEE

Re:IEEE 1394??? (1)

levl289 (72277) | about 13 years ago | (#2206013)

the IEEE ratified the standard, they didn't come up with it. That's like saying Underwriters Laboratories makes everything they test.

Re:IEEE 1394??? (2)

BluedemonX (198949) | about 13 years ago | (#2206037)

Gandhi's a plagiarist. That quote originally came from Oscar Wilde.

Re:IEEE 1394??? (1)

levl289 (72277) | about 13 years ago | (#2206110)

And Oscar Wilde may have gotten it from his butler. But who's counting?

Re:IEEE 1394??? (3, Informative)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | about 13 years ago | (#2206016)

Actually, Apple came up with it.

It was Firewire first, then it was IEEE-1394.

Re:IEEE 1394??? (1)

matasar (8397) | about 13 years ago | (#2206017)

Apple to scoop up Emmy for FireWire []

Apple did create Firewire. The More about Firewire [] page has the following:

IEEE 1394 was conceived by Apple Computer and then developed within the IEEE 1394 Working Group. The IEEE 1394 standard is a scalable, flexible, easy to use, low-cost digital interface that will integrate the worlds of consumer electronics and personal computers.

Low Cost My A$$ (1)

Mastagunna (251788) | about 13 years ago | (#2206096)

A cable costing 50 bucks is not low cost. Yes its fast, but it is not low cost in any extent of the imagination. If it was 5 bucks, maby, even 12, but 50 no way. (I am talking Canadian)

Re:IEEE 1394??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2206068)

Jeeze.. don't they teach you "smart guys" at MIT anything, like maybe how to look up an IEEE standard.

Unexplicable quote (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2205994)

Why was an Intel vice president quoted in an article about Apple, Firewire, and Emmys? What does Intel have to do with it? In an article about Universal Studios winning an award, would they have a quote from a vice president at Warner Bros.? That really doesn't make sense...

Re:Unexplicable quote (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2206097)


Intel is supporting Firewire now NOT USB 2

Stop the insanity now (3, Funny)

cnkeller (181482) | about 13 years ago | (#2206000)

So, maybe we can start giving Pulitzers for better keyboards and Oscars for a printer that really prints scripts well.

In a similar stance, the Coca-Cola Company has been given the lifetime achievement award by the ACM for keeping programmers coding

moderators: -1 to this story for woo-f*ing-hoo

Sounds like a good chance... (1)

DESADE (104626) | about 13 years ago | (#2206001)

for Steve Jobs to plug Pixar during his acceptance speech.

Re:Sounds like a good chance... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2206059)

And you know he's going to do it. The guy simply cannot give an Apple keynote without showing a clip from one of the "Toy Story" movies at some point.

Apple does count (1)

Mac Nazgul (196332) | about 13 years ago | (#2206004)

In regards to an earlier story, I think this further proves that Apple does count. Well some my not like their computers or interface, they have contributed a lot of other technological innovations to the computer market.

Oh, shush (1)

javaman235 (461502) | about 13 years ago | (#2206006)

You OSS people are all just jealous because Linux didn't get one.

The fact is that all the media people I work with LOVE Apple. They DREAM about G4's, and there's alot of good reason too, as far as what it makes available to the basic user as far as video editing and what-not...Realistically there isn't alot of competition within the price range.

As a Linux fan, its an area that I would like to see the penguin break into a bit more myself, but this happens to be one area where Mac's proprietary archetecture seems to pay off a bit...There is some multimedia software for Linux, but the hardware support just doesn't seem to be there yet.

Re:Oh, shush (2)

geekoid (135745) | about 13 years ago | (#2206049)

You OSS people are all just jealous because Linux didn't get one.

Why are you comparing Software to hardware?

Re:Oh, shush (2)

Pope (17780) | about 13 years ago | (#2206098)

Mac's proprietary archetecture

It's an IEEE standard! You can get FireWire PCI cards! How is that proprietary?

Jobs? Steve? (1)

h. simpson (464174) | about 13 years ago | (#2206007)

Well....I wonder who will go up to get the award...seeing as Firewire was developed before Jobs came back from exile. Maybe it will be Steve Wozniak...maybe...

Re:Jobs? Steve? (1)

Justen (517232) | about 13 years ago | (#2206040)

Actually, Tom Boger and Eric Anderson will be accepting the award. I don't know who Boger is, but Anderson helped develop FireWire. =)

Article? Read? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2206052)

'nuff said.

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Red bow ties... (1)

Justen (517232) | about 13 years ago | (#2206009)

I bet Steve has his best red bow tie picked out. ;-)

Seriously, though, FireWire is a great thing, not only for the television industry... Many schools have begun using desktop video much more since the FireWire/iMovie combo became available. It really is awesome to see a bunch of third graders put together a movie about a book they just read.


Re:Red bow ties... (1)

codelord (516548) | about 13 years ago | (#2206146)

I would agree with its significance especially with schools and such. But an emmy.....hmmmmm.... - HomerJ

Apple could recieve multiple awards.. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2206011)

And the winner for the most useless OS is...
The company whose CEO you would NOT want to talk at a dinner party is..

Perhaps even the initial posting is trollbait... (1)

tomdarch (225937) | about 13 years ago | (#2206012)

You know it's bad when the main posting is trolling

To the whiners who grumble about Firewire being the basis for an Emmy (in engineering), I say shut up and mod Linux so that it's the freaking best video editing environment ever, and you'll get yerself an Emmy too!

...and another Emmy should go to the Congress... (2)

Alex Belits (437) | about 13 years ago | (#2206014)

...for DMCA.

Freaking industry whores.

Re:...and another Emmy should go to the Congress.. (2)

Rimbo (139781) | about 13 years ago | (#2206057)

For what..."Best comedy?"

I mean, the's a joke, right? I mean, all this stuff with Sklyarov, Felten, and that Norwegian's not really happening, right? I keep waiting for someone to say, "Ha ha, jokes on you!" and suddenly I wake up from the bad dream and the DMCA (Devil's Media Coercion Act) is history...

Re:...and another Emmy should go to the Congress.. (2)

sharkey (16670) | about 13 years ago | (#2206063)

There's an award for "A Sleazier Piece of Crap Than Temptation Island?"

no pick (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2206020)

I hope Tom Boger keeps his fingers out of his nose when accepting the award for Apple...

Check your facts first. (5, Interesting)

piecewise (169377) | about 13 years ago | (#2206022)

Apple came up with the technology entirely independent of anyone. It's then handed to the IEEE for standards-recognition. Apple controls the technology, IEEE controls things about branding and reviewing the technology itself, etc.

So you're wrong, it IS Apple's.

FireWire = IEEE 1394 = Sony i.LINK

As of right now, FireWire is the #1 recognized brand of IEEE 1394.

am i the only one... (1)

Phork (74706) | about 13 years ago | (#2206023)

who thought firewire now had an enemy?

Re:am i the only one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2206031)

am i the only one...
Yes. No +1 funny for you, mate.

Re:am i the only one... (1)

bendude (135729) | about 13 years ago | (#2206093)

No, that's what I read too.

Dislexicks Untie!!

The REAL question is.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2206025)

How much will thier stock drop after Steve goes up and makes a speech?

No, the REAL question is.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2206070)

Why didn't you read the article first? Steve isn't accepting it. Jeez.

The Real Award (1)

HerbieTMac (17830) | about 13 years ago | (#2206027)

This award was actually titled "Best Technology Standard, Barbershop Quartet or Kitchen Utensil".

Apparently Apple beat out IEEE 802.11, the Be-Sharps and Ron Popiel's combination prune-pitter/diaper squeezer.

I wish I had moderator points... (1)

T. (128661) | about 13 years ago | (#2206106)

Cuz this one made me laugh!

Credit due? (1)

mystery_bowler (472698) | about 13 years ago | (#2206034)

Since I don't use video editing software or, for that matter, have a digital video camera, this might not be a relevant question, but here goes: What exactly of this did Apple do? They didn't create "FireWire", just gave it a snazzy name. They didn't shoot the footage, they don't make cameras and, as far as I know, they don't make digital video editing software. If they are given an Emmy for having nice-looking monitors or some sort of Special Achievement in Technology award for making the G4, fine. But did they even do anything to warrant being given an award for FireWire? Am I missing something?

Re:Credit due? (1)

Lance Fuckhoff (516992) | about 13 years ago | (#2206062)

Am I missing something?

Yes, dear friend, always. Apple invented FireWire circa 1993. Then they passed it on to the IEEE, who then gave it their official blessing and the glorious resonant name "IEEE-1394."

You are thinking of Sony, who calls their power-less version of FireWire "i-Link," of all things.

Re:Credit due? (2)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | about 13 years ago | (#2206067)

Again, yes...Apple did create Firewire-IEEE 1394-iLink.

Actually iLink is a little different. It uses a 4 pin interface instead of the 6 pin that the rest of Firewire uses, the two pins missing are the power pins.

Re:Credit due? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2206071)

Actually, they did create FireWire. It became an IEEE standard after they finished developing it.

Re:Credit due? (2)

Jeffrey Baker (6191) | about 13 years ago | (#2206077)

Yes, you're missing everything. Apple invented FireWire. They spent a lot of time creating it. Then they allowed IEEE to put it through a standards process.

It's Apple's technology.

Re:Credit due? (1)

r1ch (166865) | about 13 years ago | (#2206080)

Well, yeah, you are missing something. The IEEE [] just ratified the standard and furthered it with their working group. It was Apple's work originally.

They DO make VidEditing Sftwre! (1)

Essron (231281) | about 13 years ago | (#2206107)

Final Cut Pro II (by Apple) is giving Avid Suites a run for their money. The company I used to work for produced a TV series on a G4 and it passed broadcast spec's in the UK. It is good enough for professional video applications.

Also, Quicktime has always been superior to WMP and RealPlayer: you can play it while downloading it (without streaming) and you can easily save and edit the files if the host allows you to.

Re:They DO make VidEditing Sftwre! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2206112)

Final Cut Pro II (by Apple) is giving Avid Suites a run for their money.

Not really

Credit earned... (2)

2nd Post! (213333) | about 13 years ago | (#2206138)

You've got several good replies, but in bits and pieces...

Apple did...
They created FireWire
They gave it a snazzy name
They got it IEEE ratifed as IEEE-1394
They created workstations and laptops with Firewire integration
They created software (iMovie, iMovie2, and FinalCutPro) to integrate said workstations with FireWire camcorders
Gigabit ethernet, for streaming of large digital files to and fro

What Apple didn't do...
Create digital camcorders
Create FireWire camcorders
Create FireWire hard drives
Create FireWire CDRWs

Those are key components of this award, however =)

Now, lets be fair! (2)

Archeopteryx (4648) | about 13 years ago | (#2206039)

As television is s technical medium, advances in video arts and sciences have always been the subject of Emmy awards! When I was at Zenith, while it was a real corporation and not just a brand name, we had two Emmy's that were proudly displayed in our lobby. One was for the invention of TV Stereo, and I believe the other was something to do with digital TV.

When you close your eyes, do you dream about me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2206044)

I got a 10-inch nail and tried to swallow it, which made me vomit. Then I licked the vomit off the floor and Cosey helped me lick the vomit off the floor. And she was naked and trying to sever her vagina to her navel with a razor blade-- well, she cut it from her vagina to her navel with a razor blade, and she injected blood into her vagina which then trickled out, and we sucked the blood from her vagina into a syringe and injected it into eggs painted black, which we then tried to eat. And we vomited again, which we then used for enemas.

Linux deserves an Emmy to then (1)

ndogg (158021) | about 13 years ago | (#2206050)

I say Linux deserves an Emmy too then. It was, after all, Linux that brought us Shrek and Final Fantasy. Let us not forget that Linux also rendered the Titanic in, well, Titanic. It will no doubt bring us more of such wonders in movie making in the future. It just seems inevitable that the entire industry will switch to Linux rendering farms.

Of course, if anything is learnt from this, the Emmy will probably go to Red Hat under the false pretense that they are the ones responsible for Linux.

Re:Linux deserves an Emmy to then (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2206101)

Emmy is for TV, Oscar is for movies. Shrek, Final Fantasy, Titanic are movies not TV!

Re:Linux deserves an Emmy to then (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2206116)

Wow three movies? Sure Linux HELPED with a handful of films but Mac's pushed the other 99%.

Love you,
Trolly McBean

Re:Linux deserves an Emmy to then (2)

2nd Post! (213333) | about 13 years ago | (#2206123)

Um, you mean an Oscar, right? Emmys are given for television where Oscars are given for films...

And everything you just named is a film...

heuh? (1)

WildBeast (189336) | about 13 years ago | (#2206051)

Good God I must have been misinformed, I thought I could do do digital video editing using USB or via an AGP port with a graphic card such as ATI All in Wonder. Better return my PC and buy a Mac.

Re:heuh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2206090)

DV over USB? hehehe you're funny

Re:heuh? (1)

Archeopteryx (4648) | about 13 years ago | (#2206095)

Don't worry, many people have made this same mistake. No need to be ashamed!

Your PC should be kept in the closet and loaded with Linux for your in-home firewall/router/mail server. Then you can use your new Macintosh for the important things, like video.

Re:heuh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2206119)

You're clearly not a film maker.

Love you,
Trolly McBean

Re:heuh? (1)

Essron (231281) | about 13 years ago | (#2206125)

the fact that ANYONE even bothered to develop video via USB solutions is awful. The quality is offensive.

Re:heuh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2206163)

Please, try actually doing some work with that ghetto junk and get back to us.

Well... (4, Informative)

2nd Post! (213333) | about 13 years ago | (#2206172)

I guess you have been misinformed, at least a little bit.

Macs do all of the above, now, what with iMovie and iMovie2, straight out of the box, without dealing with buying a video card and software, etc.

Grab a digital video camera, an iBook, and you have yourself a portable digital video workstation. Not terribly powerful, mind you, but very convenient.

Working over USB? How the heck do you capture film, then? From a video source to a box to be compressed before sending it over the meager USB line? Last I checked, the video quality over most USB video boxes was 320x240 motion jpeg at a fairly low framerate... as opposed to the DV standard of 720x480 DV compression at 29.xx fps...

Similarly via the ATI AiW card, though they probably get better framerates and resolutions... on the other hand, that's entirely dependent upon the CPU speed and the ability of the AGP bus/drivers to stream the data to the CPU to compress on the fly.

The whole point of the award and the contribution Apple made, with FireWire and their Macs, is that *any* two bit (well, I guess most television studios would prefer a more impressive title) hack director can make movies and films for a measly $2k investment. Television studios can now use FireWire CDRWs, DVD-Rs, HDs, camcorders, Macs, and software to keep the entire production chain digital and seemless.

So that's why Apple gets the award for FireWire =)

FireWire gave them the technical advantage.

Market Exposure (1)

sabinm (447146) | about 13 years ago | (#2206053)

Hey, there are many people out there who think that Apple is just a niche market for Designers and Architects using AutoCAD

Now, just think old ladies in jogging suits can download their soap operas to a firewire HD and have their favorite soap beau streamed to them on demand.

It's kind of nice to see that more than M$ is getting some publicity out there. I know more than a few people who purchased their computer to use AOL and watch DVDs.

Let's hope this kind of publicity will give apple a bigger chunk of the consumer pie. Hate Emmys, but love Mac

Re:Market Exposure (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2206178)

I see where you're going with this, but AutoCAD doesn't run on a Mac.

And AutoCAD sucks, anyway. Idiot.

the real question... (1)

Faceprint (2612) | about 13 years ago | (#2206055)

who are the other nominees? and will steve jobs gush when they announce the winner?

LAME (1)

ioman1 (474363) | about 13 years ago | (#2206066)

This is pretty dumb. I have never heard of anything like this. Apple is getting desperate in their advertising and marketing.

You're a fucking idiot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2206130)

Let me get this straight.

You're bitching (incorrectly, by the way) about Apple getting desperate in "advertising and marketing," and yet your .sig shills a site that offers "digital lifestyle" bullshit?! BAHAHAHA

If you're in high school, I'll forgive it -- error of judgement. Otherwise... sheesh.

Re:LAME (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2206134)

They had nothing to do with the award you idiot.

Another non-film maker bitching, cool.

Love you,
Trolly McBean

Technical Oscar (2)

E1ven (50485) | about 13 years ago | (#2206076)

IIRC, They give out special Technical Oscars.
They aren't awarded at the show, but in a special ceremony before hand.
My former employer, AVID [] won one, and had it displayed in the lobby for quite some time.

The Mac really has done quite a bit of work in making video editing on a professional level possible. I think that their recognition is a "Good Thing" (tm)

Colin Davis

Viva Le Garden Hose (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2206084)

I hereby nominate Garden Hose for an Emmy. Join me!

No wonder Hollywood is fucked... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2206091)

...they're all using Macintoshes.

Double Standard (2, Insightful)

Eslyjah (245320) | about 13 years ago | (#2206102)

You all know that if some GPL'd piece of software won an Emmy, you'd be talking about how wonderful it is that the Community got the recognition. So let's be fair and let Apple have their cake.

On the other hand, this is not news for nerds, and I don't really care much about anyone who wins an Emmy, so I'm a little disappointed to see it on /.

Re:Double Standard (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2206164)

Double standards on Slashdot?! No way! Hahahahaha

Apple's FireWire Not the First (4, Informative)

maggard (5579) | about 13 years ago | (#2206108)

For those confused it's not unusual for a product that has had profound influence on the Television Industry to recieve an Emmy. Communications Satellites [] have been honored, video [] cards [] have been honored, DVD technology [] has been honored, MPEG [] has been honored, now it's Apple's FireWire high-speed digital interconnect.

Why Apple for it's FireWire [] and not IEEE for it's same 1394-1995 [] spec or Sony for it's i.Link [] (again the same)? Because Apple is the one that did the development and the popularizing of the technology thus their holding the majority of the patents [] & controlling the licensing [] .)

Re:Apple's FireWire Not the First (2)

maggard (5579) | about 13 years ago | (#2206126)

Eeps, patenting & licensing should have pointed to 1394la []


The Emmy and Esther (1)

TACD (514008) | about 13 years ago | (#2206109)

Why is the Academy of Television Arts & Sciences giving out their award to a computer company, besides the stupidity of the reasoning behind it? Did I miss that episode of Esther?

Maybe we should all just be grateful the it's not Microsoft getting the award for 'helping to integrate the modern computing world', or some crud like that.

It surely won't hurt any for Apple to get some extra money and publicity for a while; perhaps Microsoft will sit up, take notice, and clean out one more bug in Win XP just to be on the safe side. Gaach.

Hidden agenda? (4, Offtopic)

.@. (21735) | about 13 years ago | (#2206114)

This isn't too surprising. The 5C coalition (includes all major video equipment manufacturers and many content producers) are about to eliminate your ability to record any form of audiovisual entertainment without their prior consent.

How? HDCP/DTCP (see They will require all audiovisual equipment (your receiver, DVD player, cable box, speakers, TV, STB, VCR, etc.) to connect to each other via firewire, to ensure end-to-end digital transmission.

Why end-to-end digital transmission? Two reasons:

1) They don't want you recording anything without their permission. Content will have a set of bits that define if and how many times it may be copied, and at what resolutions. There's a possibility this new equipment will also incorporate the ability to restrict the number of times it may be viewed as well. The entire bitstream will be encrypted. No "approved" device, no content. Period. And they reserve the right to remotely disable any device at any time.

2) They want to control the AV quality of what you watch. Want to watch Pay-per-view? Great. Want to cough up an extra $5 to watch it in 1080i or 720p? You don't? Too bad. 480i for you. Want to watch the Superbowl in anything other than 480i? Are you ready to pay for the privilege? You'd better be. Want to watch HD content? Better be 5C compliant; they won't allow that over analog connectors at all.

Some people already aware of these issues say "Don't worry; it'll be years before even the first pieces of 5C equipment are available at the high-end, and more years before it's achieved enough penetration to matter."

Perhaps. But the penetration has begun. Sony is now selling the KDP-34XBR2, the first in a series of 5C-compliant sets. It's in stores. Sony's cut a deal with Cablevision to roll out 5C-compliant cable boxes (Sony is a member of the 5C coalition).

It's not a matter of if, but when. A matter of months rather than years.

Yes, the movie industry is all aflutter about IEEE 1394 (aka FireWire). And that's because it's the delivery vehicle for their final and total control over what you see, how you see it, and how much you're going to pay for it.

Re:Hidden agenda? (2)

MrBogus (173033) | about 13 years ago | (#2206149)

It should also be pointed out that Sony has big plans for iLink (their brandname for 1394/firewire), and wants to see it as the universal interconnect for the digital home theater of the future. However, they essentially put it on ice for everything (except for camcorders) until the 5C copy protection stuff could be implemented. As you mentioned, the first 1394 TV has just come onto the market.

For the home computer user, Firewire might seem a little useless right now, unless you are doing video or using a removable drive. However, in the future, being able to seemless connect and control your TV and stereo systems could bring about some great applications. That is, unless the copy protection stuff locks it up to the point of being useless.

Re:Hidden agenda? (2)

.@. (21735) | about 13 years ago | (#2206175)

The 5C copy protection scheme -- HTCP -- has been part of i.Link firmware since at least 1999. 5C is a done deal. The equipment hits the market starting now. In 18-24 months, there will be serious doubt as to whether major broadcast/narrowcast events, PPV, and HD content will be viewable without end-to-end 5C equipment.

It's not just Sony. It's *everyone*. Matsushita. Hitachi. Intel. Toshiba. The content producers. The delivery channels. Everyone. See

heh (2)

Mike Hicks (244) | about 13 years ago | (#2206128)

``ever-so-popular FireWire''

Heh, right. I wish it was more popular -- it seems like great technology, but from what I've seen, so much has been encumbered by proprietary technology and software interfaces. (or, at least, that seems to be why it isn't supported all that well in Linux yet).

Of course, I could be completely wrong..

Re:heh (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2206153)

You are.

Try using a Mac.

Love you,
Trolly McBean

What's the problem? (2)

Wesley Felter (138342) | about 13 years ago | (#2206174)

It looks like Linux supports [] camcorders, storage devices, and even FireWire networking. (Apple invented FireWire, yet they don't even support FireWire networking!) I'm sure there are bugs, but in general I can't think of anything missing.

JPEG got one too (1)

wjr (157747) | about 13 years ago | (#2206171)

A few years ago I was attending a JPEG meeting where the Emmy that JPEG had just won was being proudly shown around. It's a recognition of contributions to the hard technical work of TV production.
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