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Quebec Language Police Target Store Owner's Facebook Page

timothy posted about 8 months ago | from the at-least-they-don't-require-german dept.

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New submitter wassomeyob writes "In Canada, the province of Quebec has their Official Language Act of 1974 (aka Bill 22) which makes French their sole official language. It has famously been used to force business owners to modify signage to give French pre-eminance over other languages. Now, the Quebec language police seem to be extending their reach to Facebook. Eva Cooper owns Delilah in the Parc — a shop in Chelsea, Quebec near the Quebec/Ontario border. She received a letter from the language office telling her to translate everything posted on her store's Facebook page into French."

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France is obsolete today. (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358297)

France is obsolete today. Face this and get over it. Idiots.

Re:France is obsolete today. (2)

Sockatume (732728) | about 8 months ago | (#46358353)

Yeah, everyone has upgraded to France Mini. I think that's in Vegas or something.

Re:France is obsolete today. (1)

jockm (233372) | about 8 months ago | (#46358553)

Um are you sure you don't mean "French"? Because this post is about something that happened in Canada...

Re:France is obsolete today. (2)

SeeSchloss (886510) | about 8 months ago | (#46358591)

Well, this is Canada, not France.

Re:France is obsolete today. (1)

NotDrWho (3543773) | about 8 months ago | (#46358647)

this is Canada, not France

When it comes to Quebec, what's the difference?

Re:France is obsolete today. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358797)

this is Canada, not France

When it comes to Quebec, what's the difference?

That's like asking what is the difference between a Texan and an american. :)

Re: France is obsolete today. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358825)

Same difference between england and usa

Re:France is obsolete today. (0)

SeeSchloss (886510) | about 8 months ago | (#46358943)

Different countries usually have different laws, for one thing. But you probably don't know that if you're American.

Re:France is obsolete today. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358675)

France is obsolete today. Face this and get over it. Idiots.

And you Sir are a fucking ignorant.
Quebec is not France. Quebec is one of Canada's provinces to the north of that cesspool that is the US of A.
France is on the other side of the pond.

Re:France is obsolete today. (1)

c-A-d (77980) | about 8 months ago | (#46358977)

According to Wikipedia, French is still spoken around the world in 29 countries, including Canada, 11 of which it is an official language (wikipedia is wrong here... it's 12. In Canada, French is an official language and is enshrined in the Constitution).

And in other news... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358329)

We all know that the Québécois are assholes. What else is new.

Re: And in other news... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358521)

shut the fuck up asshole. we all know english people won't make any efforts to learn french even if the live in france directly. I would be very surprised if a fucken english asshole like you would learn Chinese while living in china. you think you have the right to live in a foreign language in a french country, great. you are the ass hole.

Re: And in other news... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358585)

Fuck you and fuck quebec. I would not shed a tear if quebec was bombed off the face of the earth.

Re: And in other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358969)

Fuck you and fuck quebec. I would not shed a tear if quebec was bombed off the face of the earth.

Said every other person in Canada. No one wants Quebec.

Re: And in other news... (1, Interesting)

AvitarX (172628) | about 8 months ago | (#46358615)

Why wouldn't I think I have that right?

In the US at least it's a pretty common tradition for immigrants not to learn the local language. My Great Grandparents never really learned English, as it wasn't so useful in Little Italy, the Polish neighborhoods were similar too.

The attempts to mandate language use in the US are gross, and countries/provinces that do it already are being ridiculous. If your official language doesn't have value to the people that live there, perhaps the problem is not with the transplants.

Re: And in other news... (2)

SJHillman (1966756) | about 8 months ago | (#46358759)

To extend this, I've known plenty of people who have lived in Asian countries (for at least a few years) but never really picked up the language. It's one of the advantages of being a native English speaker... you can go almost anywhere on Earth and find people that know enough English for you to live day-to-day life. The only things you really need to pick up are words and phrases with no direct translation.

Re: And in other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358957)

Meanwhile, in other parts of Canada, people come here and talk Tagalog (Philippines), Chinese, Korean, Hindi, Farsi, German, Ukranian, Polish, Spanish, Cree, Blackfoot, even English. We try to accommodate people and welcome new people. I personally love Thai, Vietnamese and Mexican food. If a Chinese restaurant wants a big sign in Chinese, I welcome the big Chinese sign. Poor Quebec: Insular, Inbred. Under the impish belief that their culture is superior to all others, they are stupid enough to try and enforce it by law. Others are cosmopolitan. They are insular, unrefined, parochial. Perhaps they don't even realise how stupid they look to the rest of the world.

Re: And in other news... (3, Insightful)

NotDrWho (3543773) | about 8 months ago | (#46358701)

we all know english people won't make any efforts to learn french even if the live in france directly

A shit-ton of French students in high schools and colleges across the U.S. would beg to differ, Monsieur.

Re: And in other news... (3, Insightful)

SJHillman (1966756) | about 8 months ago | (#46358731)

Quebec isn't a country. French or otherwise.

Re: And in other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358917)

Unfortunately the Québécois don't understand that Quebec is a province of Canada and act as if Quebec IS part of France and DEMAND they be treated as such. They are ignorant tools and need to be treated as such.

Re: And in other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46359079)

Maybe the rest of Canada would be more receptive to french if Quebec wasn't trying to eradicate english inside Quebec (which is still part of Canada btw..). Unfortunately, Quebec thinks that the rest of Canada should learn french and be bilingual while they want to only have one language-- french. Fuck that.

Re:And in other news... (2)

NotDrWho (3543773) | about 8 months ago | (#46358661)

Especially Scott. He's a real dick.

Re:And in other news... (1)

c-A-d (77980) | about 8 months ago | (#46359017)

I think you mean Jacques. He's the dick from Quebec. Scott lives in Toronto.

Well, see, the problem occurred in 1974. (3, Insightful)

Huntr (951770) | about 8 months ago | (#46358341)

"Language Police"

Anything after that is kind of irrelevant.

Re:Well, see, the problem occurred in 1974. (-1)

denisbergeron (197036) | about 8 months ago | (#46358547)

The fact is that people like you creating false information are legion

much ado about nothing (4, Insightful)

vux984 (928602) | about 8 months ago | (#46358345)

Ok, its a stupid law, and I'm not going to defend it.

But if the Quebec based store is maintaining a website, it needs to have a french translation, and a company's facebook page is little different than a geocities site from 1998, and is just another form of advertising for the company so this is entirely consistent with how the law has been enforced in the past.

Re:much ado about nothing (3, Insightful)

i kan reed (749298) | about 8 months ago | (#46358435)

Should it really, though? If you run a store on a border town, where the majority don't actually speak french, should some demi-nationalists be able to dictate your areas culture?

It'd be like the rest of Canada forcing the Quebecois to have English everywhere.

Re:much ado about nothing (1, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | about 8 months ago | (#46358459)

If you run a store on a border town

Then lease or buy land on the other side of the border.

Re:much ado about nothing (3, Insightful)

i kan reed (749298) | about 8 months ago | (#46358545)

I'm pretty sure your solution is

A. Retarded, because having land in multiple provinces doesn't exempt you from their laws
B. Highly impractical, because a border town doesn't necessarily straddle a border
and
C. Obviously meant as an stupidly elaborate work-around for an unnecessary situation.

Re:much ado about nothing (2, Insightful)

SeeSchloss (886510) | about 8 months ago | (#46358631)

Your solution, on the other hand, would be... to not observe some laws near borders? That's not how legal systems work.

Re:much ado about nothing (3, Insightful)

i kan reed (749298) | about 8 months ago | (#46358879)

No, to get rid of laws enforcing cultural hegemonies, which tend to be short-sighted, ineffective, and harmful.

Re:much ado about nothing (1)

SJHillman (1966756) | about 8 months ago | (#46358795)

That would actually make more sense, as French-speaking Canadians are five times more likely to know English than English-speaking Canadians are to know French. Outside of Quebec, there's only about half a million native French speakers in Canada and even within Quebec, half of the French-speaking population knows English.

Re:much ado about nothing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358877)

Correct. I'm from, and live in Ontario. None of family or circle of friends speak French. I can somewhat read it, but not speak it at all.

Re:much ado about nothing (2)

c-A-d (77980) | about 8 months ago | (#46359031)

As someone who is from, and living in, B.C., I can confirm that more people speak Mandarin than French here.

Re:much ado about nothing (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46359063)

I'm not surprised. English is a stupid language.

Re:much ado about nothing (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 8 months ago | (#46358815)

Near a border is a an irrelevant legal distinction. You're in one region or the other. And you have to comply with the laws of that region. And yes, you should have to.

Nor does it matter if you don't share the politics of those that won democratic elections and made the law.

They want to defend their culture against the cultural imperialism of the US and their use of the English language. They are quite entitled to do so.

Re:much ado about nothing (1)

i kan reed (749298) | about 8 months ago | (#46358909)

The near-border quality was a situational description, not a legal one. I was arguing against the intent of the law, thanks.

Why follow stupid laws? (1, Insightful)

sjbe (173966) | about 8 months ago | (#46359049)

Near a border is a an irrelevant legal distinction. You're in one region or the other. And you have to comply with the laws of that region. And yes, you should have to.

Even if those laws are morally wrong or economically stupid? Just because it is a law doesn't make it a good idea nor does it mean that you should automatically comply with a stupid and pointless law. Fight the good fight if it is worth fighting. I know plenty of businessmen (including some of my family) who refuse to do business in France because of the burden of this language law.

They want to defend their culture against the cultural imperialism of the US and their use of the English language.

Passing laws like this will not "defend their culture". It merely hurts them economically, makes them look stupid to the rest of the world, and at best delays the inevitable changes that will occur. Furthermore, the VAST majority of Canada (you know, the country they are part of) speaks English as their primary language so your argument that this has anything to do with the US is bogus on the face of it. Just because you speak a different or additional language doesn't mean your culture has to change in any significant way. They can still speak French all they want. But if people want to speak or otherwise communicate in a different language then that should be their prerogative. Not much of a democracy if you can't speak in your own voice with your own language.

Re:much ado about nothing (3, Interesting)

gandhi_2 (1108023) | about 8 months ago | (#46358457)

"it needs to"

How fucked up has the world become where everyone gets to decide what a store owner "needs to" do but the store owner.

Re:much ado about nothing (0)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 8 months ago | (#46358527)

How fucked up has the world become where everyone gets to decide what a store owner "needs to" do but the store owner.

If you consider a world in which taxes are collected and used to provide infrastructure and governance fucked up, then it's easy to believe that only the store owner should be in charge of what happens within their walls. But if you consider a world in which we provide for one another's basic requirements so that our society can move forward as a whole to be a sensible thing, then you have to agree that people have responsibilities and that they need to be met. You might disagree with this particular responsibility, and I certainly do, but the idea of responsibility remains valid.

Re:much ado about nothing (3, Insightful)

CastrTroy (595695) | about 8 months ago | (#46358767)

It's one thing for the government to have to serve the people in a certain language, it's another thing entirely to force business owners to operate their business in a specific language. If people don't speak the languages offered by the business, then the business either won't survive, due to lack of customers, or it will survive, because there are enough people who speak the language, in which case, they serve their customers just fine. It's amazing that in a multicultural city like Montreal, that it's completely fine for businesses to operate to not speak any English, but against the law for them to not speak French.

Re:much ado about nothing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358821)

American taxes are used to reward political cronies, start wars in foreign lands, and ferret out dissent. The idea of community responsibility for a business owner should extend to making their customers happy and that's about it. I'd call you a nasty, fascist pig, but you probably already know what you are.

Why so defensive about French? (2, Interesting)

sjbe (173966) | about 8 months ago | (#46358817)

How fucked up has the world become where everyone gets to decide what a store owner "needs to" do but the store owner.

Oh you mean we shouldn't require people to keep their storefront clear of trash? We shouldn't require them to pay their employees? How about we let them dump hazardous chemicals wherever they want? Look, this language law is stupid both morally and economically but let's not expand the stupidity by claiming that every requirement a business is subjected to is dumb. Some are very good ideas and others not so much. This language law falls into the not so much category.

What I'm confused by is why both France and Quebec are so damn defensive about their language. It's not anything special.

Re:Why so defensive about French? (1)

jellomizer (103300) | about 8 months ago | (#46359029)

Well the French and the English have had their centuries of fighting each other for political and social dominance.

In short the English Won. However the French while military peaceful with the English will refuse to give up any social dominance they might have.

We see this in America. as Hispanics are growing, there is a massive push back to make sure that "'Merica don't be a Spanish Speaking country"

In short the French still see English as a bunch of barbarians, and they feel that they must keep civilization in spite of their dominance.

Re:Why so defensive about French? (1)

gandhi_2 (1108023) | about 8 months ago | (#46359083)

storefront clear of trash

if it spills into the public property, then there is a problem. if the trash is completely on the stores property, the market will likely take care of it.

require them to pay their employees

the deal worked out between the person selling labor and the person buying labor is between those parties, and not your / our / my business.

dump hazardous chemicals wherever

again, if the chemicals get off the property then we have a problem. if the chemicals stay on the property, not your / our / my problem.

Re:much ado about nothing (2)

geekoid (135745) | about 8 months ago | (#46358471)

I will. There are a lot of good reasons to have an official language.
Costs, same expectations, safety, I could go on.
The french take it too far.
It's why I think that in order to get a license, or use some services, you should be able to communicate to some degree in English.

The US is spending many billions of dollar trying to make every in every language.

Just to be clear, this is about using some government service, and driving. If you want to put all your store signs in Klingon, for all I care. well... I would go to that store, but the point stands.

Re: much ado about nothing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358477)

No that is dumb
As a business owner he should want to translate his page into French to reach more clients
either he is a bad business man who is only hurting himself or there is no impact to his business that might say a lot about the "official language" of Quebec.

Re: much ado about nothing (1)

Andrew Osiris (2826645) | about 8 months ago | (#46358819)

What is the business is based on teaching French to English speaking people? Then he would not be accessable to his target clientel because they would be unable to understand what he was trying to sell. Just sayin...

Re: much ado about nothing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46359067)

Or he is a good business man who has made the decision that he/she does not want to invest the time and money to support another language spoken by a rude, ignorant, ill-behaved group that would not frequent his/her business because it is not owned by a member of that rude, ignorant, ill-behaved group. My own opinion based on experience dealing this group ignorant ill-behaved tools

Re:much ado about nothing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358649)

I'll defend it! Well, sort of. I probably wouldn't actually vote for a national (or state-official) language myself, but I can see the purpose... if you want to ensure that your population has equal access to something then you standardize that something. We have handicap accessibility laws in the US, language laws seek to do the same thing (not that speaking a foreign language is a handicap); ensure that when people are ensured a relatively consistent experience in some fashion. That there's a likelihood that when you walk down the street, you'll be faced with consistent challenges -- i.e. reading French. If you don't speak French you still have a problem, but you only have one problem. The idea is similar to requiring currency be uniform and accepted everywhere. You can actually sue some corporations for not taking cash (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/5103).

I'm not saying it's always a good idea, but it's easy to see where people are coming from. The desire to build a cohesive community could easily push people into this sort of decision.

We are looser, that's it. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358749)

I'm a native Quebecers and I speak french, but who care if she have a Facebook page only in english? As far as i'm concerned if she pay her taxes it's all I care about.

If I start a business and create a website in portuguese and all my signage is in portuguese maybe I will go out of business and it will be just my fault.

OQLF is a waste of taxpayers money and another thing that make this province so miserable.

We want a charter to remove rights, we have a language police, others province pay for our social politics. We are a looser province, the Quebec Government want the Quebecers to be looser and ignorant because when a nation is ignorant you can control them far easily and in bonus if you can prevent them speaking another language you can prevent the ignorant french Quebecers to move in another province.

Re:much ado about nothing (-1, Troll)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | about 8 months ago | (#46358781)

I am Canadian, and I speak about 20 words of french. (Mostly profanity.)
I often, when reading these sorts of stories, think to myself, "If the business involved do not want french customers then that is their choice."
My response to a "request" of this nature would be one word. "NO!"
Of course I would never be stupid enough to live in Quebec.

Re:much ado about nothing (2)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 8 months ago | (#46359023)

My response to a "request" of this nature would be one word. "NO!"

Je ne comprende pas!

"It's a stupid law, I'm not going to defend it"... (1)

mmell (832646) | about 8 months ago | (#46358805)

...and then you defend it. Whaddya mean, "if the Quebec based store is maintaining a website, it needs to have a french translation"? So . . . if I create a website which I intend to be read in Berlin, or Pamplona, or Rome . . . it still has to be in French?

Never mind the argument . . . I give up.

Re:much ado about nothing (1)

Zeromous (668365) | about 8 months ago | (#46358875)

The data and "storefront" resides on US soil.

Statist's gonna State (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358393)

Now if only we can get all those Mexicans to speak Murican!

Perfectly reasonable (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358445)

She should be made to translate everything into French, learn to enjoy champagne, smelly cheese and foie gras.

On a side note, any language that cannot survive without being enforced legally should be allowed to diminish naturally.

What's next? forcing women not to shave their armpits?

Re: Perfectly reasonable (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358711)

Your mixing up your stereotypes. This is Canada not France.

Typical (3, Insightful)

Kimomaru (2579489) | about 8 months ago | (#46358447)

Quebec has some bizarre sensibilities, they're definitely not into this whole people-can-decide-what's-best-for-themselves crap. If you think that's bad, you should see their tax rate - believe it or not, taxes go to supporting these bizarre laws. Anyone under the age of 30 who wants to make a life for themselves, in my oppinion, should live anywhere else in Canada.

Re:Typical (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358891)

Quebec is the greatest country on the planet. Yes, I know it is officially part of the "nation" of Canada.

Re:Typical (1)

Kimomaru (2579489) | about 8 months ago | (#46358935)

There's an unfortunate truth to this statement.

I live in Québec and those law are pretty stu (5, Informative)

JcMorin (930466) | about 8 months ago | (#46358453)

I live in Québec and because of those law I can't purchase product from the local store because the box is not en French. It happend to me last year where I purchase some headphone (nothing fancy there were even NO paper in the box to explain how to plug it). But since the box wasn't available in French, Best-buy would not have the product, online I could see it but they would refuse to sell it to me if my address was in Québec. So I've went to competitor in Vancouver that is not affected by Québec law and purchase it. Result? The law has remove a sale from my local store and move that else where.

Re:I live in Québec and those law are pretty (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358939)

I'd encourage you to bring this matter to the public eye. Specifically, in French. That it is stiffling local business, should be a concern. That the police are treating it with enough importance as to attack someones Facebook page, is also a bit disturbing. I can see their justification for not wanting 'English' to take over, but legislating over it, making it mandatory, is rather myopic in the scheme of things. It's probably a safe guess this was passed initially out of fear, rather than heritage.

Of course, I'd also like to see them 'force' this in a court of law. What you can and can't do online, as opposed to a physical location area, are 2 different arenas, and the court should acknowledge that fact.

Re:I live in Québec and those law are pretty (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358945)

Personne ne conteste ton droit de sucer de la bite anglaise. Surtout pas les anglais.

Re:I live in Québec and those law are pretty (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46359035)

J'ai du mal à saisir le rapport avec le message parent. Sans compter que les termes sont un peu crus.

Re:I live in Québec and those law are pretty (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46359011)

So what, let them suffer.

The people that are silent about laws , are de facto, supporting it in effect.

Let them lose sales.

Re:I live in Québec and those law are pretty (0, Troll)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | about 8 months ago | (#46359053)

I live in Québec and because of those law I can't purchase product from the local store because the box is not en French. It happend to me last year where I purchase some headphone (nothing fancy there were even NO paper in the box to explain how to plug it). But since the box wasn't available in French, Best-buy would not have the product, online I could see it but they would refuse to sell it to me if my address was in Québec.

So I've went to competitor in Vancouver that is not affected by Québec law and purchase it.

Result? The law has remove a sale from my local store and move that else where.

Yes, yes, we all remember the news stories about The Great Lost Headphone Sale of 2012. We don't need to be reminded about that calamity.

Still Flogging That Horse, Quebec? (5, Informative)

mrbene (1380531) | about 8 months ago | (#46358517)

In the late 90s, I worked at an internet software company in Quebec - we developed software for servers and sold it over the internet. No boxed copies, but your standard suite of services - a knowledge base, online documentation, phone and email access to sales and support staff, all of which was based in the province of Quebec.

Eventually, we got big enough to be noticed by the Quebec language police. They sent a letter, and then there were phone calls. They provided us with a list of requirements - you must answer your phones in French first, your web site must have all content that is available in English available in French as well, and so on.

We started costing out the implications of this, especially the confusion of the majority of our international (as in, American) clients. Then someone asked the important question - what happens if we don't comply?

"Well, you won't be allowed to sell to anyone in Quebec!" came the indignant response.

From then on, I took so much pleasure in informing the our small number of Quebec government clients that no, they would no longer be able to buy upgrades, tech support contracts, or anything else. The 98% of our out-of-province sales were unaffected.

Unfortunately, it sounds like Eva runs a brick-and-mortar store, so will need to comply or face actual fines.

Re:Still Flogging That Horse, Quebec? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358949)

Well According to quebec gouvernement regulation they should not have bought your software in the first place unless they could demonstrate that alternatives in french do not exist.

Also, They must ask in any contract that your support be in french for them. (I blame the fact that most quebec gouvernement agencys are in quebec city and the level of spoken english there is really terrible.

English is illegal in the USA (0, Troll)

denisbergeron (197036) | about 8 months ago | (#46358529)

Imagine you are somewhere in the USA and someone telling you go fuck yourself and speak Spanish. How are you feeling ?

  Almost every state have law to protect their culture, Quebec is not different than Florida.

Remember, even if people in Quebec are 75% speaking Québécois, some racist people don't want the business of these people,
But, then Québec, is the only place in the world where people speak Québécois and the only agnostic country/region in the wolrd (the only place in the wolrd where a real separation between state and church really exist).
These people have to protect their cultural heritage.
And Facebook is just another form of advertisement and public image.
 

Re:English is illegal in the USA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358627)

But, then Québec, is the only place in the world where people speak Québécois and the only agnostic country/region in the wolrd (the only place in the wolrd where a real separation between state and church really exist).

BULLSHIT.

Re:English is illegal in the USA (0)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | about 8 months ago | (#46358673)

Good grief your example is stupid. No state in the U.S. has been able to pass a law making English the official language, yet you are saying that Quebec's law making every business do business in French is the equivalent of laws protecting culture that exist in the U.S.?

Please inform yourself (1)

denisbergeron (197036) | about 8 months ago | (#46358787)

http://www.languagepolicy.net/... [languagepolicy.net]
read pass the first page, you will get a lot of information about language laws in the USA and you will stop looking like a idiot.

Re:English is illegal in the USA (1)

rikkards (98006) | about 8 months ago | (#46358707)

Sorry to tell you but overdubbing US made movies into French does not a culture make.

The Quebec culture is a shadow of what it once was.

Re:English is illegal in the USA (0)

denisbergeron (197036) | about 8 months ago | (#46358851)

Yeah you're right, we need tougher laws and becoming a country.

And that's why Quebec made a lot of good movies. in french and even in bilingual.

The movies we made refleat our country culture (Québec and Canada) not the USA culture, like all movie made in the Canada (like "Porky's" , did Canada made another movie since this one ?)

Re:English is illegal in the USA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358987)

True nobody said that the regulation to protect quebec culture where effective. Only that it was the intent. And if you look at the number of quebec film book and music its not so bad

Re:English is illegal in the USA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358777)

Imagine you are somewhere in the USA and someone telling you go fuck yourself and speak Spanish. How are you feeling ?

But in the USA, that somebody would have the right to do so and not face fines because they want to conduct their business in Spanish. I live in Chicago and there are many businesses that advertise and have signs on their storefronts in Spanish. There aren't any laws that say that they have to have English translations that are featured more prominently than Spanish.

Almost every state have law to protect their culture, Quebec is not different than Florida.

Can you site any laws in Florida protecting "Florida culture"?

Re:English is illegal in the USA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358829)

Imagine you are somewhere in the USA and someone telling you go fuck yourself and speak Spanish. How are you feeling ?

You seem to be under the hilarious impression that this never happens. There are many many stores in the USA where the staff doesn't speak Engish, and the signs are in another language. I just don't take it so personally.

French? Crazy Gibberish! (5, Funny)

Karl Cocknozzle (514413) | about 8 months ago | (#46358535)

Why not translate it into a useful language, like Klingon?

If browsers auto-translate pages, what then? (1)

presidenteloco (659168) | about 8 months ago | (#46358579)

The Chrome browser offers to translate whatever website's text into whichever language my operating system defaults to.

If all of the common web browsers / smart phones / google glass equivalents start doing this, I guess there will be no more need for this mandatory translation at the source side of things.

Re:If browsers auto-translate pages, what then? (1)

jklovanc (1603149) | about 8 months ago | (#46358667)

Auto translators do not translate text displayed in a graphic.

Re:If browsers auto-translate pages, what then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46359089)

People who put their text in graphics shouldn't be allowed on the internet. It's rude to blind people.

Re:If browsers auto-translate pages, what then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358801)

The Chrome browser offers to translate whatever website's text into whichever language my operating system defaults to.

If all of the common web browsers / smart phones / google glass equivalents start doing this, I guess there will be no more need for this mandatory translation at the source side of things.

That's not gonna fly because the translations are usually machine translations and are pretty bad.

She should charge more (0)

Lank (19922) | about 8 months ago | (#46358593)

She should have an English page and then a French page on which all the prices are elevated slightly. When asked why there's a difference, she can say it costs more to translate and host more content, thereby increasing her cost of doing business.

My Thank You Note (-1, Flamebait)

Waffle Iron (339739) | about 8 months ago | (#46358601)

Thank you, Quebec... For making the product manuals on my bookshelf take up 50% extra space and consume 50% more trees.

Re:My Thank You Note (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358719)

Va chier connard.

Their country - their issue (1, Insightful)

INT_QRK (1043164) | about 8 months ago | (#46358625)

Canada is a democracy. They make their own laws and govern themselves. It is none of my business as an American what they decide to do inside their own borders any more than it's my business what happens in the privacy of my neighbor own home as long as it stays inside their home. Privacy, mmmmkay?

Re:Their country - their issue (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46359015)

Well, no, you can make noise about it if you want, you can complain and yell about it.

I've got no problem with that. You can do that with any law you want anywhere.

It's what else you do about it that might be problematic. As reasons to invade Quebec go, for example, it would not be substantial enough.

Nice to see Slashdot dropping the facts (1)

BlackTriangle (581416) | about 8 months ago | (#46358633)

The actual Bill that clarifies the issue is the infamous Bill 101, not Bill 22.

Proof (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358659)

Proof that pride is indeed a terrible sin, even if you aren't religious. This attitude is almost as archaic and nasty as people who still insist on interpreting the Book of Genesis literally. Get with the times guys. You're leaving yourselves behind, and looking like infants in the process. Nobody wants to join a culture that nasty, so you're only dooming it to an eventual extinction your own way.

Just separate already!! (0, Flamebait)

bhv (178640) | about 8 months ago | (#46358699)

Besides the drive from Toronto to Halifax being that much quicker, you can reign over something like facebook.que instead and leave .ca to real Canadians.

translate this. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358743)

How do you translate "fuck you" into French?

Re:translate this. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358965)

How do you translate "fuck you" into French?

Try google translate.

In any other place this would be act of racism (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46358853)

like if you forbid a store owner of kosher food having a sign in Hebrew, or one store owner of halal food having a sign in arabic...

Facebook hosted in Quebec? (3, Insightful)

Zeromous (668365) | about 8 months ago | (#46358855)

Facebook is an American storefront, not a Quebec one. I did not read the article but this seems very wrong indeed.

Slashdot, vous êtes en violation (1)

paiute (550198) | about 8 months ago | (#46358897)

"Au Canada, la province de Québec a sa Loi sur les langues officielles de 1974 (aka projet de loi 22) qui fait du français la seule langue officielle. Elle a notoirement été utilisé pour forcer les propriétaires d'entreprises à modifier la signalisation de donner pré-eminance français sur les autres langues. maintenant, la police de la langue du Québec semblent être d'étendre leur portée à Facebook Eva Cooper possède Delilah dans le Parc -.. une boutique à Chelsea, Québec, près de la frontière Québec / Ontario Elle a reçu une lettre du bureau de la langue en lui disant de tout traduire affiché sur la page Facebook de son magasin en français ".

Jésus H. Christ, l'homme. Si la Sûreté du Québec nous bien pour ce que nous pourrions ne pas être en mesure de payer la conversion de bêta!

Don't Comply (2)

Froggels (1724218) | about 8 months ago | (#46358999)

Too many people equate "The Law" with morality and consider it a forgone conclusion that whatever "The Law" states must be adhered to, and if violated must be enforced at all costs. Unfortunately there exist just too many unjust, absurd, horrific, ridiculous, and outdated laws such as, Jim Crow, Apartheid, FATCA, the Patriot Act, FATCA, the Nuremberg Laws, .....compulsory TV licensing *even if you don't have a TV*.... Most people who are negatively affected by such laws are usually met with derision and marginalized and told to suck it up by the majority of society simply because "It's the law!". It's a shame that we all live in societies that have placed "the Law" above justice and common decency.

Joke alert. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46359065)

The owner just needs to say a firm "No." and hope that the Quebec Language Police throw down their guns and surrender.

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