Microsoft Fakes Citizen Letters of Support 603
An Anonymous Coward writes: "According to this Seattle Times article, Microsoft is sending letters to Utah's Attorney General in support of the company, but with fake signatures of citizens (some of whom are dead!). The article says: "Letters sent in the last month are on personalized stationery using different wording, color and typefaces, details that distinguish Microsoft's efforts from lobbying tactics that go on in politics every day. State law-enforcement officials became suspicious after noticing that the same sentences appear in the letters and that some return addresses appeared invalid."" The original source appears to be this story in the LA Times today. We here at Slashdot would like to take the time to say that strong competition and innovation have been the twin hallmarks of the technology industry, and if the future is going to be as successful as the recent past, the technology sector must remain free from excess regulation.
Probably created using the new version of Word (Score:5, Funny)
Wait for the third release... (Score:2)
Re:Probably created using the new version of Word (Score:2)
Re:Probably created using the new version of Word (Score:2)
I think the lameness filter ensures that language usage is kept to the lowest common denominator, and punctuation is not over-creatively used. It was supposed to keep trolls from posting in all caps and drawing penis-birds, but its actual implementation is just annoying, and, well, lame. It's like copy-protection; the crapflooders will always find a way around the latest one, and in the meantime it (apparently randomly) inhibits the rest of us from otherwise innocent activity.
Oh my God! (Score:5, Funny)
> in support of the company, but with fake signatures
> of citizens (some of whom are dead!).
Oh my God! The dead have risen, and they're supporting Microsoft!
(with apologies to the Simpsons)
Dear Utah Attorney General (Score:4, Funny)
(signed)
Generalissimo Francisco Franco (Ret.)
John Lennon (Beatle)
Re:Dear Utah Attorney General (Score:2)
Oh, I don't know. I can still picture Chevy Chase on SNL doing the ``Generalissimo Franco is still dead.'' bit.
Re:Dear Utah Attorney General (Score:2)
Maah, maybe Mussolini could protest, but I think Hitler would be writing the USPTO, claiming royalties on every Microsoft sale.
After all, "One World, One Net, One Program" is clearly infringing on the NSDAP's patent on both the idea and the implementation of "Ein Reich, Ein Volk, Ein Fuhrer."
This isn't facts. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:This isn't facts. (Score:5, Funny)
A letter from one of the deceased:
"I have been happily using microsoft products for years, and have never had a problem with them. In fact i recently requested that my life support machine be converted to run with win 95, and have not had a problem with it"
Re:This isn't facts. (Score:2, Funny)
But it is the media, it MUST be true!!! (Score:2)
Good point, I agree. Just because a journalist reported it does not mean that it is fact. If you read the article, you will notice that nothing indicates that it is actually M$ doing this. It could be anybody. The motive can be that of the letters which would help M$ or the motive is for the letters to be discovered as fake to hurt M$. Either way, it is too early to tell who actually was behind this.
The Evidence (Score:2)
I'd say that qualifies as good enough to cast stones.
VIrg
Astro Turf (Score:2, Insightful)
People write for and against organizations and corporations all the time, let 'the people' speak, MS. Believe it or not, quite a few will speak in your favor.
If you are not getting good press and 'the people' are not happy with your product, that means the marketplace is actually working as it should and people will find someone else with whom to do buisness. Free enterprise means that 'the people' decide whether or not your company survives.
This is not the 'big business' that some folks are talking about when they are looking towards freedom of speech, this is hogwash made by a monopoly looking to embed itself so far up everyone's butt that they can put out the trash they have been putting out and make people pay for the priviledge of owning a piece of the trash.
What's even more pathetic is that a lot of people will still claim that there are not illegal/immoral/fattning business practices going on here.
DanH
Re:Astro Turf (Score:2)
Uh.. don't you think they would have by now? Surely Microsoft did this because the public *wasn't* defending them??
Having people write for you. (Score:2)
They provide a free service writing protest letters for you, although I imagine they need to be in agreement with your politics. [I found the link over on protest.net]
Some how I think that this is not what microsoft did, considering that the politics are a bit different.
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New Feature in Word 2002 (Score:2, Funny)
Great for mass marketing.
I think Microsoft was just trying it out.
Sean D.
Is this a crime? (Score:4, Interesting)
Asuming the answer is "no it's not a crime" the next questions I wonder are - can it be (given the First Amendment), and should it be (seeing that it's essentially political fraud)?
Re:Is this a crime? (Score:2)
IANAL but it seems like fraud to me. They are claiming that Mrs. Johnson or John Doe believes that "X is the right thing to do" when in reality it is just Microsoft propaganda. I don't know how far a case of fraud like this would get in court but I am sure it will make them look bad in their anti-trust case- they just don't know how to take their foot out of their mouth.
Re:Is this a crime? (Score:2)
Re:Is this a crime? (Score:2)
Re:Is this a crime? (Score:2)
Re:Is this a crime? (Score:2)
Definitely.
If I state
Bill Gates mentioned Linux is better than Windows, and Microsoft's webmaster told me they've upgraded all their servers to Linux and *BSD
or
George W. Bush called me today and mentioned his political idol is Adolph Hitler
and claim they're actually true, watch me getting get locked up.
Satire is protected if it's clear that it IS satire.
Re:Is this a crime? (Score:2)
By faking signatures, they're practically claiming that "person xyz supports dropping all charges against Microsoft" when xyz said no such thing. So it's pretty much the same thing as myself claiming Bill Gates said Windows XP sucks more than DOS 1.0.
Re:Is this a crime? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Is this a crime? (Score:2)
Remember that a court is involved: if they introduce anything like this in court, then yes, it's a straight case of perjury.
Re:Is this a crime? (Score:2)
It could certainly be seen as libel or a similar crime, possibly even a minor form of identity theft.
Even more fun, the LA Times article implied that this was regular snail mail. The USPS has its own laws, and they are particularly draconian against mail fraud.
Forget MS versus DoJ. Think MS versus USPS. Hotmail versus snail mail. No laws need be passed. But just imagine armed postal inspectors storming Redmond!
Re:Is this a crime? (Score:2)
Re:Yes, it is. (Score:2)
LOL. (Score:2)
The worst part - and not so laughable - I'd bet better than even money that in the end the US government will let them get away with everything... but that's just me being cynical, right?
Re:LOL. (Score:2)
Think about it. As you say, do you honestly think that the world's most scrutinized company would knowingly agree to a campaign that utilized dead folk's signature's? As much as you hate to admit, MS has put themselves in this dominant position by having pretty smart people with keen business acumen and the drive to beat/crush their competition. How dumb do you think they are?
Re:LOL. (Score:2)
I agree that there is a difference between Microsoft employees doing this campaign, and a marketing firm doing it after getting paid by Microsoft...but not a big difference.
Microsoft hired them. MS paid for this service. True, we don't know exactly what MS asked for, yet MS specifically hired a firm who uses these tactics. Because of that, MS is responsible for any negitive fall out. After all, if they weren't cought, they would have benifited from those same tactics.
My only question is are they doing this in other states? I'd be stunned if they weren't.
Re:LOL. (Score:2)
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why lobbying organizations pre-write letters of support for those who support them.
(If a guy who's smart enough to see through MS's FUD writes like this, what do you think Microsoft's supporters would write like if they didn't have Bill and "Dance, Monkeyboy!" Ballmer to write their letters for them?)
Misleading (Score:5, Informative)
This is misleading. Microsoft is not sending the letters to the final destination; based on personal surveys, pre-written and pre-stamped letters are sent out to individuals, who then sign and send. In addition, the article states:
Utah officials found two of the pre-fab letters bore the typed names of dead people. Those names had been crossed out by family members who signed for them. And another letter came from "Tuscon, Utah," a city that doesn't exist.
So the statement implying that the dead had been stuffing the ballot box is misleading, to say the least - but no explanation is offered for Tucson, Utah.
But... is is sleazy? You're damn right it is. It even sounds, from the tone of the article, like this isn't a common practice. Is it wrong? Probably.
But it's not as bad as the caption said.
(Favorite section: Microsoft complaining about 'well-funded special interest companies.' Um?)
Not Misleading (Score:3, Informative)
Regulators became suspicious of the ruse after noticing that the same sentences appear in the letters and that some return addresses appear invalid.
Hard to send out spam to invalid addresses, no?
As for that "other" group or two on the MS payroll:
Microsoft referred questions about the new campaign to the group running it, Americans for Technology Leadership, which gets some money from Microsoft but won't say how much. ATL was founded in 1999 as a spinoff of the Assn. for Competitive Technology, another pro-Microsoft group.
Asked about the relationship between the telephone calls to citizens and the subsequent letters, ATL Executive Director Jim Prendergast initially said those who agreed the prosecution was misguided merely were given suggestions about what to use in drafting their own letters. "We gave them a few bullet points, but that's about the extent of it," he said. Asked why some phrases were identical, Prendergast then conceded the letters were written by his operation. "We'd write the letter and then send it to them," he said. "That's fairly common practice."
Hmmmm. MS is not getting good value here, but I suppose it's cutting edge, the best lobby ever TM! Must be using MS Loby, cuz it's transparent and sucks:
"It's an obvious corporate attempt to manipulate citizen input," said Rick Cantrell, community relations director for the Utah attorney general.
"You can just tell these were engineered. When there's a real groundswell, people walk in, they fax, they call. We get handwritten letters."
Yawn, another second rate offering from MS.
Kissing two points of Karma goodbye! Mr. Overturf is sure to blast this one to -1 flamebait. Eat me!
Re:What Utah did (Score:3, Interesting)
> Nothing new here, par for the MS course.
Wait, I think there is something new here.
Using the US Mail to commit fraud! That's a whole
new ballgame, and probably a lot easier to try and
convict than antitrust accusations have been.
They only need one count, and executives get locked up for decades in small rooms with large
men deciding what tv channel to watch.
You really don't want to do the whole mail fraud thing, even if you are a multitrillion dollar company.
letters bore the names of dead people (Score:2)
no, they are sending them from The Final Destination... that's the problem ;)
Re:Misleading - REMEMBER THE BARKTO SCAM?? (Score:2, Informative)
Kudos microsoft, you really are the king of innovation!!
Not surprising (Score:5, Insightful)
The only difference is, at the time Microsoft claimed that the idea it "was merely a proposal and 'not something we are moving on'" while this time they seem to be executing this plan.
Faked video tapes, lying executives, and now this. Perhaps I'm overreacting (and it's 7 a.m. for me, so maybe I am), but can this company's actions get any worse? If the government itself were caught doing something like this, people would be in an uproar. But when it's Microsoft, most people respond with, "well, what can you do?"
Re:Not surprising (Score:2)
Re:Not surprising (Score:5, Funny)
Microsoft: Not quite as bad as the Mafia
Re:Not surprising (Score:2)
Edited tapes... lying executives... Watergate.
We did have this before. It ended the career of a man that, had he handled Watergate in a sensible manner, would be considered a great president.
Maybe it's because we know Microsoft has blood on their hands already. We expect this from them. I agree though - something should definitely be done.
Re:Not surprising (Score:2)
damn straight (Score:2)
Re:Try Amnesty International (Score:2)
Re:Try Amnesty International (Score:2)
Re:Not surprising (Score:2)
The law provides for this in some places. In more and more places, the provisions for this sort of thing are being quietly changed, or gotten rid of entirely.
Welcome to the Brave New World, where capital punishment exists for real people -- including kids and the mentally handicapped, and often based on flimsy evidence -- but not for corporations.
This is a surprise? (Score:2)
Of course I gotta find out what technology they are using so I can send letters supporting Linux when I'm dead and gone too :)
On a more serious note (not really) you have to wonder what brainiac came up with this - can you imagine the brainstorming session?
OK - so I'm still on my first cup of coffee :)
Excess Regulation (Score:4, Insightful)
I think that one of the things that have gotten us to the point of bloated, unstable software is a LACK of regulation and recourse against some of the larger Software companies.
Companies like General Motors or Boeing must abide by safety and quality standards, while a Microsoft doesn't, even though it's products may or may not have more of an impact on daily lives and safety than cars by GM or planes from Boeing.
The point-click-lock-you-in EULA has done away with the ability to have stable software on a computer for the vast majority of users in the United States and the rest of the world.
Hoping for a hands off approach will not make it better, it will make it worse. I think that if you make a product, physical or virtual (software) you should be held responsable for the quality if you are charging money for it. Getting the software industry to the same level that the automotive, aerospace or appliance industry is, isn't excess...it's minimum regulation.
Re:Excess Regulation (Score:2)
Re:Excess Regulation (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Excess Regulation (Score:2)
Re:Bloatware (Score:2)
The Spruce Goose was like trying to run Windows 95 on 4 MB of RAM.
Aviation bloatware...Shuttle, B-36, FB-111 when it was a fighter for the Navy and a Bomber for the USAF, the Nazi Germany Giant Gilder/Bomber/Transport. Those are examples of Aviation bloatware...but the Shutte is awesome, but it was an attempt to do everything in one vehicle. Like Homer Simpson's car for his brother's company.
"All my life, I have searched for a car that feels a certain way. Powerful like a gorilla, yet soft and yielding like a Nerf ball. Now, at last, I have found it."
Shortage of supporters (Score:2)
Tell me this... (Score:3, Insightful)
With all the recent articles about "astroturfing" (I'd link to them, but search is down right now) here on Slashdot, why is it that when a Linux group does it, it's the responsiblity of a single person who is quickly singled out, but when the group from Redmond does it, suddenly it's the entire corporation that is to blame?
All we know is that we have a single person, perhaps more, sending invalid letters to the Utah Attorney General. For all we know, it could be just one person within Microsoft sending them because of a mis-interpreted order.
Actually, the more I think about it, for all we know, it is actually a Linux supporter who is trying to discredit any valid grass-roots campaign that has sprung up for Microsoft.
Let's not jump to conclusions here, folks; Let's wait for the facts before we start grandstanding about how terrible the Big Bad Corporation Microsoft is, mmmkay?
Re:Tell me this... (Score:4, Insightful)
The facts are there for you to read; I suggest you do so.
Re:Tell me this... (Score:2)
Is it possible to link to goatsex, and fake the link, in your sig.
CmdrTaco, are you on it?
(And for cryin' out loud, somebody mod down this goatsex link!
A Thought (Score:3, Interesting)
> the top could be 'this' stupid.
I'm not so sure it's stupidity so much as an astonishing amount of hubris. For example, shortly after Judge Jackson's remedy was thrown out, Mr. Gates himself held a news conference in which he explicitly said that the event was proof that Microsoft did not illegally tie its browser to it OS. Since several courts since then have not overturned the conviction (only the punishment), this statement was either an horrific mistake on his part, or a bald-faced lie. In either case, with this episode (and the falsified benchmark video) in mind, it does not strike me as out of character for the top brass at Microsoft to try something like this.
Virg
heh! Nothing new there (Score:2, Funny)
IANAL... (Score:3, Interesting)
Can you believe it. (Score:3, Interesting)
The maker of Windows and other software also has stepped up campaign donations, becoming the fifth-largest soft-money donor to the national Republican and Democratic parties in 1999-2000, and it has hired a slew of well-connected lobbying firms.
These letters contained this information.This is all out bribery at this point...and not even close to subtle.
Devil's advocate position... (Score:3, Insightful)
Face it, most people can't articulate themselves very well and prefer to use boilerplate letters. It doesn't make their opinions any less valid.
Re:Devil's advocate position... (Score:2)
Bill Gates should try for presidency (Score:2)
If dead people can send letters, they surely can vote. If Microsoft can get away with this, they will surely try something bigger. Given the state of the voting system in the US, the logical next step would be to try to get Bill Gates for president, he has the money, and with all dead of the country voting for him, he can win easily. They simply need a good wording for this, something like open voting. This would solve the Departement of Justice Problem.
Then again, this new technique would simply be a rehash of something done by other coutries around the world for a long time, so it's a perfect Microsoft inovation...
Much less (and more) evil than it sounds (Score:2)
Asked why some phrases were identical, Prendergast then conceded that the letters were written by his operation. "We'd write the letter and then send it to them," Prendergast said. "That's fairly common practice."
Sorry to burst your collective bubble, but he's right -- many, many groups do this sort of thing. They go out and find people who share their views on an important issue before congress, and give them suggestions. If you think that's evil, then all the real grass-roots political organizations must be evil, too!
In fact, I've seen plenty of "Dear Congresscritter: This is why the DMCA Sucks" sample letters posted here, with suggestions to pass them along.
All this article shows is that some MS supporters will just repeat whatever the company tells them to ("Innovation! Progress! XP!"), and do not have the capability to think for themselves, or at least phrase things in a different manner than what the company suggests, even when they agree.
And this, more than anything else, is why Microsoft is keeping their market share -- because they've managed to capture the automatic loyalty of millions, with what most slashdotters think is crapware. That's the really evil thing about this...
I'm going to (Score:2)
Anyone with me?
IANAL, but is this libel? (Score:2)
Re:IANAL, but is this libel? (Score:2)
This is a result of Microsoft's training (Score:2)
Am I seeing this wrong? (Score:2)
Shameful. (Score:4, Funny)
Yours, etc. -
$name
$address
Mormon City, UT 96629
Which past is that? (Score:4, Insightful)
Would that be the recent past, or the not-so-recent past? Because I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that the technology sector should not repeat its "success" of the last six months.
Heh... (Score:2)
Let's take a look at the big picture; corporations can commit corporate crimes because they have influence over the governing body [opensecrets.org], and because they control the mediums through which the public will ever hear about it. Choose your news outlet and their respective owner, which would you trust:
-Fox Broadcasting: News Corp [cjr.org] - $$$ [opensecrets.org]
-ABC: Walt Disney Company [cjr.org] - $$$ [opensecrets.org]
-CBS: Viacom-Infinity [cjr.org] - $$$ [opensecrets.org]
-CNN: AOL-Time Warner [cjr.org] - $$$ [opensecrets.org] - $$$ [opensecrets.org]
-NBC: General Electric [cjr.org] - $$$ [opensecrets.org] - $$$ [opensecrets.org]
God bless America.
I can see it now... (Score:2)
Jane: Better spend it, or we won't get it again next year. Worse, it might go to another department...
Bob: How about we send out logo'ed thing-a-ma-jigs, like more of those sit on them, and they make you sound like you have gas?
Jane: Nope, to close to an actual product. We are trying to steer people away from thinking they "own" anything - they license, and give a ways don't promote that.
Bob: I'm stuck - no more creative juices after killing off clippy and then bringing him back.
later in PR....
Alice: We just got $47M - Lets start another grass roots campaign!
Paperclip (Score:5, Funny)
It seems that you are writing a letter. Do you want me to change it into a letter supporting Microsoft in the [ODBC: SQL Error in
[Yes] [Yes]
Mistake (Score:2)
They've made a grave error here.
New feature of windows update this morning (Score:2)
Before proceding you must now click "agree" instead of "accept".
This letter is not from Microsoft, it was added by a non profit organization for the future of world conformance performance, who is only partially funded by microsoft.
What the heck did Minnesota's Atty Gnl say? (Score:2)
Now I'd like to know what Hatch's letter said to inspire such a turnaround. Anyone have a copy?
The flip side (Score:2)
On the other hand, I've been using Microsoft's " Freedom to Innovate [freetoinnovate.com] " channel to send hardcopy protests to elected officials with a strictly anti-MS and anti-DMCA tone. Note: it does require a hotmail/passport account.
Elected officials don't read email anymore. Orrin Hatch (the DMCA's writer) bounces email sent to him -- you're supposed to fill out an online form that doesn't mention IP or the MS antitrust suit under "topics".
The FTN sends my verbiage snail mail hardcopy. If you sound mad, like "damn DMCA", and "Tell Orrin Hatch to take personal responsibility for Sklyarov" they send back two-page responses telling you they don't agree with you (except for Borin' Orrin himself, who always agrees with me).
Can't help but wonder (Score:2)
It's probably legit (Score:2, Insightful)
John addressing a man in the crowd: Do you know a Mike...Michael?
Man in crowd nods emphatically: Michael was my father's name.
John: Michael's holding up a piece of corn, did he like corn, did he work in a corn related field?
Man: My father was born in Iowa!!
John: I'm sensing a crash, did Michael die in a car crash?
Man: No...but he did use Windows and his computer crashed alot!!
John: Michael has a message for you sir, "Strong competition and innovation
have been the twin hallmarks of the technology industry."
We can do this too (Score:2)
Ambivalent (Score:2)
OTOH, this sentence is ominous (where it isn't misinformed): "State law-enforcement officials became suspicious after noticing that the same sentences appear in the letters and that some return addresses appeared invalid."
First of all, same sentences are no big deal. All organized letter-writing campaigns send out a script. Some of these are "sample letters" that people just copy, some are just bullet points but nobody should be surprised if some people come up with the same sentence to express the same thought.
What's ominous to me is that state law-enforcement is checking return-addresses of citizen petitions. I'd hate to think that information was being cross-referenced with anything anywhere. For instance, should I refuse to sign a petition or send a letter if I have outstanding traffic tickets?
We're guilty too (Score:2)
No way this is true. (Score:2)
I guess the reporter must have been dumpster diving again.
How stupid do you have to be... (Score:2)
...to pull another one of these fake grasroots support stunts when you've been found out before?
Just another one for the ``Help Me! I still have four bullets and I'm all out of feet'' folder.
Microsoft, Sierra Club "evil." (Score:2)
I don't like that Microsoft has more money than the Sierra Club and can therefore afford to call people and personally convince them to sign the letters, but I don't believe that this is unethical. It's simply one of the prices we pay for freedom of speech - everybody has freedom of speech, and those who have more money can speak louder.
Sigh. And I have to say that I am disappointed by the Slashdot article here - the person who wrote it should have read the original article, so that the slashdot article could have been a little more factual. I am very fond of slashdot, and it worries me when I see stories that really belong in the Slashdot Enquirer.
_MelloN_
How's that start? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:After years of reading slashdot (Score:3, Interesting)
" We here at Slashdot would like to take the time to say that strong competition and innovation have been the twin hallmarks of the technology industry, and if the future is going to be as successful as the recent past, the technology sector must remain free from excess regulation."
While I'm reasonably sure this was irony as originally posted, but as this AC notes, there are a lot of people who believe--like Sunday morning Gospel singers--that competition and innovation have actually occured, and this has been a Good Thing.
Now, I'm not blind to the appearance of some major conveniences that have been showered onto rich Westerners, but where is the innovation when it comes to feeding people and protecting the environment? Really, all the tech that AC and people like him fetishize has been handed down from the State-Military Nexus as second-rate gear fit for the consumer masses that paid for the original research that created the tech to start with. I'd hardly call that innovation, and you certainly can't say that Raytheon and Lockheed *compete* for the government contracts that float their boats (unless you call the bidding graft sessions "competition".) In this context, "regulation" has no meaning: who watches the Watchmen?
Comfort and longevity do not equate to happiness and wisdom, even if those wonderful gifts are showered only on those rich enough to afford them.
Re:Astromailing ?! (Score:2)
No, it's not Astrosurfing, but rather Astroturfing, as in "fake grassroots movement". (Astroturf is fake lawn).
Re:I got one of these in the mail. (Score:2)
//rdj
Does it hurt to read the article? (Score:2)
Re:Does it hurt to read the article? -yup (Score:2)
Ignorant McCarthy-ite (Score:2, Offtopic)
Why do you believe extreme authoritarianism is socialism? This is *NOT* true at all. Social Democratic and Communist principles have nothing to do with authoritarianism or Fascism. Stalin may have been a tyrant - but so are plenty of leaders when given an opportunity.
Think Nixon, Think about the AstroTurfing MS is doing in this article, Think about your Government, think about the *REALITY* of American McCarthyism.. (which is alive and well btw) and what *that* really means about America.
Id say that you have a very healthy Authoritarian-Capitalist system in America. You have a body, governing with the tact of Il Duce.
When you ignorantly berate socialism, by insinuating it is an 'extreme form of authoritarianism' is, at best, ignorant and misguided.
Would it surprise you to believe that Socialists have 'personal freedom' as one of its major goals? You do understand that being A Slave to the Bosses vs. A slave to the State vs A slave to the King still leaves you a slave. One of the tenants of Socialism (and Communism) is that the 'economy' and 'means of production' are controlled democratically - by citizens... they are given the additional Civic Right of helping guide their economic destiny, they are given the right to participate in the shaping of their economy.
American Dogma has convinced its people that "economic freedom and free markets mean real freedom, Socialist who seek to heavily regulate and direct the economy are really trying to take away your property && freedom". This is untrue - what Socialists mostly assert is that BOSSES (Capital 'owners') will not be permitted to rule the economy without the input of the citizenry... Everyone must work for a living, and Capital owners, when allowed run freely will incarnate themselves kings and rulers.
What does this have to do with the article? Well, when you think about it, M$, now completely so out of control - seemingly above the law - that it will now replace the political will of * real * people with its own.. you see the final step of Capitalism out of control - the inevitable end of Free Market Capitalism: Plutocracy
This is why people goto Seattle, Genova, Quebec and Washington, D.C. this September. [protest.net]
RTFA - Read The Fscking Article!!!! (Score:2)
I hadn't even read the article and I could tell the front page story was sarcasm. I even suspected they were quoting from the article I was about to read (and did, unlike you). Put the whole thing in context - a story about Microsoft people putting words in the mouths of other people, and here's Slashdot delivering the MS-party line. You don't get it. You must be new here.
I would like to close by saying if the future is going to be as successful as the recent past, the technology sector must remain free from excess regulation. Strong competition and innovation have been the twin hallmarks of the technology industry.
Re:Michael's public service announcement.. (Score:2)
those sentences are two of the sentences duplicated in a lot of letters.
In other words: It's a joke, dammit.
Re:Big Deal (Score:2)
a political group would either present you with
a form letter, and ask you to send it in yourself,
in which case the recipient sees that you didn't
write the letter in the first place (since they'll
receive lots of copies), and treats it accordinly (it's easy to get people to sign form letters, so
there has to be more of them to mean anything),
or alternatively they ask you to write a letter
yourself, perhaps giving you some ideas to convey.
In this case they appear to have prepared letters, but tried their best to make it appear as if ordinary citizens wrote them, and then used sleaze phone "interviews" to get people to agree to sign them.
The issue here isn't with pro-Microsoft groups getting people to sign letters supporting Microsoft, but with these groups trying to make it
look like this is something people are doing of
their own device because they are angry with how
the case is handled.
That is deceptive at best...
Re:Doesn't this stuff happen every day? (Score:2)
When you receive a form letter, do you expect the sender to have spent lots of time crafting a letter conveying their emotions, and that they deeply care about the subject? Of course not.
When you receive a letter with personal letterheads, and a seemingly unique content, do you expect that letter to be a letter not written by the sender, but by a lobbying organization? Normally not.
It's the last case that upset people about this campaign.
Re:Wow, a new low... (Score:2)
Whatever. In any case, I think Minnesota Attorney General Mike Hatch was right. "This is not a company that appears to be bothered by ethical boundaries." And not very much bothered by legal ones, either.
Microsoft Corporation is a legal person. Who the hell would deal with a real person with such a fucked-up mindset, unless they couldn't avoid dealing with them?
Hatching a Plan (Score:2)
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P.S. Science is not a religion. I read your user comment, and I have a rebuttal, but it's offtopic to post it here and you don't provide an address.