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RIAA To Target CD-R

timothy posted about 13 years ago | from the be-a-customer-not-a-consumer dept.

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mike skoglund writes: "According to this 8/20 RIAA press release, the RIAA is concerned about CD burners. Hilary Rosen, president and CEO of the RIAA, said: "Many in the music community are concerned about the continued use of CD-Rs . . . and we believe this issue deserves further analysis. A preliminary survey of tech savvy online music enthusiasts recently conducted for the RIAA showed that nearly one out of two consumers surveyed downloaded in the past month and nearly 70 percent burned the music they downloaded. All of this activity continues to show the passion of the consumer for music and the need for both legal protection and legitimate alternatives.'" I enjoy Rosen's claim that "consumer loyalty to the physical product still dominates and we are committed to providing the quality product listeners desire." I wonder if they'll eventually push through a Canadian-style tax on anything that can carry data.

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Funky (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2209561)

Dory

Alcoholism (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2209653)

Anyone else here with a problem with alcohol?

Canadian Tax (1)

Jordan Block (192769) | about 13 years ago | (#2209571)

IIRC, the canadian tax is on 'Audio Media' only. I can go into a store, and pick up 'Data' CD-R's without adding the additional fees, but if the CD-R's say 'sudio' on them anywhere, them I'd have to pay the fees.
Really rather stupid.

Re:Canadian Tax (1)

darkith (183433) | about 13 years ago | (#2209662)

Nope, the tax applies to all recordable CDs, the rate varies. I think it's pretty low for most media (like $0.08 or something) but if you buy media specifically marked for audio use, it's much higher.

sorry, I have to say this... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2209701)

if they say 'sudio', does this mean they are subject to the "Genesis Tax" (AKA, the "Phil Collins Tax")?

Re:Canadian Tax (1)

monkeydo (173558) | about 13 years ago | (#2209731)

Of course this is ALREADY the the case on the US.

Remember the Audio Home Recording Act?

It is COMPLETELY LEGAL to make copies of digital material on approved devices (read: paid royalties and implement SCMS) using approved media (read: paid royalties). This is the legislation that allowed the sale of DAT, MD, and home audio CD Burners.

nesor yrallih (2)

jafac (1449) | about 13 years ago | (#2209573)

Is anybody out there now not completely convinced that Hillary Rosen is the antichrist?

Re:nesor yrallih (1)

mmol_6453 (231450) | about 13 years ago | (#2209643)

As I recall, she was actually originally against pursuing Napster, stating that a cooperative solution should be sought.

Obviously, she was outvoted.

Midgets (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2209686)

Speaking of women... I've recently become obsessed with midget sex.

Does anyone here have any experience in having sex with midget women? Is it normal to feel sexually aroused by midget women or am I a freak?

RIAA found dead (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2209669)

The RIAA, the Recording Industry Artists Association was found dead in an alley today at the age of 26. You may not have heard of them before, but nevertheless, they've dipped deeply into your pocket. Truly an American travesty, repugnant to all right-thinking people and seen as a absurd paragon of greed by non Americans. It is doubted that anyone will mourn its passing.

Re:nesor yrallih (1)

tarkin (34045) | about 13 years ago | (#2209729)

Is the "Quit Slashdot movement", presented in the above "chew this:" link, real or is it just a hoax ?

New untaxed mp3 storage method... (5, Funny)

MentlFlos (7345) | about 13 years ago | (#2209574)

Time for me to put my mp3's on punch cards... :)

Hahaha (1)

Uttles (324447) | about 13 years ago | (#2209623)

Good one, someone mod up, please!

Re:New untaxed mp3 storage method... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2209626)

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Fsking Bloodsuckers! (1)

Leghorn (44886) | about 13 years ago | (#2209576)

This is rediculous, but I'm sure they'll eventually get what they want. Are we going to continue to allow these corporations absolute power over non-infringing activities simply because someone, somewhere might break the law?

...and I thought you were innocent until proven guilty...silly me.

The RIAA is dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2209741)

Just look at the numbers... as online music trading increased in popularity, CD sales only increased a measly 115%! Clearly, with trends like this, the end will come soon. Don't the naive music industry startups realize that to stay in business you have to have more money coming in than they spend? "Making it up on volume" is just a quick road to the poorhouse.

at this rate... (2, Funny)

Uttles (324447) | about 13 years ago | (#2209577)

They'll be taxing air, which we use to make noises that form phonetics, then words, then sentances, resulting in communication... I'm surprised we've gone this far with free air...

Sentences rather (1)

Uttles (324447) | about 13 years ago | (#2209600)

Or however you spell that. Huked on foniks wurked 4 me.

Legitimate Alternatives (1)

Root Down (208740) | about 13 years ago | (#2209585)

"...this activity continues to show the passion of the consumer for music and the need for both legal protection and legitimate alternatives."

Legitimate alternatives? Like, what - cassettes?

Re:Legitimate Alternatives (2)

zombieking (177383) | about 13 years ago | (#2209705)

I agree. How is burning to a CD any different then recording to a cassette? There is a phrase of what RIAA is doing. It's called "busy work". Seems that someone has too much time on thier hands and is looking for something to do to justify thier employment.

As Ice T says, they (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2209586)

Can kiss by black ass

When Burners are Outlawed. (1, Redundant)

joel_archer (124897) | about 13 years ago | (#2209588)

Only outlaws will have burners.

Re:When Burners are Outlawed. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2209681)

Everyone else will have sushi.

If they do this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2209595)

I wonder if they'll eventually push through a Canadian-style tax on anything that can carry data.

... it'll actually save me a ton of money, because I'll have bought my last CD.

If I have to do the time, you can bet your ass I'm going to do the crime. If I have to pay for the assumption that I'm a pirate, then a pirate is what I'll become.

Why do artists continue to sign contracts with these people? Can someone tell me that?

Re:If they do this... (1)

pezpunk (205653) | about 13 years ago | (#2209617)

sure. because they're both greedy and naive. duh.

Re:If they do this... (1)

Requiem (12551) | about 13 years ago | (#2209696)

Why do artists continue to sign contracts with these people? Can someone tell me that?

Sure. It's the only way to get heard. Like it or not, our society focuses on single-sources. Most people will never really see movies made anywhere other than Hollywood. (How many of you have seen The Seven Samurai? Anything by Fellini? Surprisingly few, I'd guess)

In the same vein, most people are content with music from a single source, that being whatever is played on private radio stations. Given that the majority of young people (who, quite frankly, are the target market) don't listen to public stations like NPR, CBC, etc., it makes sense for artists to sign with whoever controls private radio stations. Now, do you ever hear anything on private stations that isn't from the RIAA? Didn't think so. Artists do what they must to get heard, even if it is to sign with a great tentacled evil.

Okay, so that last metaphor's a little excessive. Cthulhu is marginally more evil than Hilary Rosen.

Tell me... (2, Redundant)

Sludge (1234) | about 13 years ago | (#2209596)

Name me one person you know who is at least moderately computer savvy, has a cd burner and uses a computer as a hobbyist device who has not done something illegal with their cd burner within a week of owning it.

Right. That's partly the reason why we Canadians pay a CD levy tax.

Re:Tell me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2209615)

That's partly the reason why we Canadians pay a CD levy tax.

No, that would be because you Canadians are a bunch of sheep who are in no danger of contracting BSE because you have no encephalitic or spinal tissue to act as a host.

Re:Tell me... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2209695)

BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

Someone mod that up!!!

Oh god, I've got to save that one...
Oh wait,copyright infringement...
Hmmm...better burn it to cd...

(and yes,I'm kanadian...but I'm going over the wall...don't tell CSIS...)

Re:Tell me... (2, Interesting)

MeNeXT (200840) | about 13 years ago | (#2209654)

Sad but false. I for one. It is used for backups mostly and personal use.


Then again I hardly listen to CD's anymore. I haven't bought one in over three years. When something new that you like comes out it gets killed by radio stations to the point that you start hating the song or even wondering why you ever liked it.

Re:Tell me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2209746)

sounds to me like you need to learn to find music other than on the radio...

out of my collection of 800 cds and 500+ lps, only about 1% is ever on the radio these days. And yes, most of it was released recently.

Re:Tell me... (1)

DahGhostfacedFiddlah (470393) | about 13 years ago | (#2209660)

Hmmm...one person...?

I suppose I could say *me*.
I immediately went home and backed up the tracks to the CD my band had been working on, just in case. I then, a few weeks later, burned a copy of Linux to install, and keep as an emergency boot disk.

I have yet to burn a CD of music that isn't owned entirely by me.

Re:Tell me... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2209674)

s/cd burner/car/g and you'll see what an idiot you sound like

Re:Tell me... (3)

Misch (158807) | about 13 years ago | (#2209694)

has a cd burner and uses a computer as a hobbyist device who has not done something illegal with their cd burner within a week of owning it

And when you find that one person who didn't? They're guilty until proven innocent, right?

Raises Hand (2)

gmhowell (26755) | about 13 years ago | (#2209707)

I have yet to burn an illegal CD. I've space shifted (pulled together some 80's compilations) and have taken stuff from work to home (big source packages) and burned some Linux distributions. I've also backed up media so that the originals can be stored in some offsite place, but I still have the disks to do installs at work.

Now, you can argue whether or not I am 'moderately technically savvy' or not. But, I use Free software, work pays for the non-Free stuff, and if I want a CD/DVD, I either buy it, or wait.

FWIW, I don't mind paying a tax. But if I pay the tax, that means I can do all of the things I've not done yet (ie: download and burn any song I want from any RIAA artist).

Me (2)

SpiceWare (3438) | about 13 years ago | (#2209747)

What music I've burned onto CD is music I already own. Being able to create a cd that contains the songs I like, using tracks from the CDs I already own, is not illegal.


I also use my burner to create CDs, for family & friends, that contain the digital photos I've taken over the course of the past year. I set up the photos to be shown using a web browser. This way viewing the photos is platform independent.

Hilary Rosen (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2209598)

can suck my big fat cock.

Data tax (2)

wiredog (43288) | about 13 years ago | (#2209599)

That might be a good idea. Under the right circumstances. If we pay the tax on the CDRs or DVDrs, but are then allowed to copy them amongst ourselves, for instance. That's sort of how ASCAP works (well, for sufficiently large values of "sort of").

Re:Data tax (1)

dj28 (212815) | about 13 years ago | (#2209730)

I use my CD-R's for data backup. Im not going to pay anymore taxes becuase other people decide to pirate music or other stuff on that medium.

But the cost of a CD must have increased (1)

djweis (4792) | about 13 years ago | (#2209603)

If the volume of full length CD's dropped by 5.3% but the dollar cost of those CD's only dropped by 2.7%, perhaps the reason for the decrease was higher prices for the CD's that were shipped. The extra few percent that was charged was enough to make some CD purchasers not bother. I'm sure mp3's and a recession may have had some effect, also.

Re:But the cost of a CD must have increased (2)

sdo1 (213835) | about 13 years ago | (#2209690)

Oh, I'm sure the absolutely pathetic state of the music industry had nothing to do with lost sales, right?

The media (radio, TV, newspapers, etc.) and the content providers (RIAA, MPAA, etc.) are quickly converging on being a single corporate entity. The result of which has been a complete homoginization of all things creative and interesting about music. Is it any wonder that sales are down. There's simply nothing good to listen to... and if there is it's damn hard to find because there's no interesting radio stations anymore.

-S

So now the RIAA owns ALL music? (3, Insightful)

sdo1 (213835) | about 13 years ago | (#2209604)

nearly one out of two consumers surveyed downloaded in the past month and nearly 70 percent burned the music they downloaded

Yea, I've downloaded music and burned it to CD in the past month... but not music that's under RIAA control.

Or did she just forget that little bit about there being actual LEGAL uses for this technology? Just because someone downloads music and burns it to CD does not mean that a copyright infringement has just taken place. And it does not mean the RIAA has just been monetarily damaged.

-S

Re:So now the RIAA owns ALL music? (2)

iceT (68610) | about 13 years ago | (#2209720)

Now see, there you go again... trying to apply LOGIC to a situation where logic does not prevail..

Remember, the money of the few out-weigh the rights of the many...

How Dumb Do They Think We Are? (4, Interesting)

Steve B (42864) | about 13 years ago | (#2209606)

The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) announced today that the number of units shipped domestically from record companies to retail outlets and special markets (music clubs and mail order) and their corresponding dollar value fell in the first six months of 2001.


So -- did the flack who wrote this really expect anyone to conclude from this anything other than, "Yup, we're in a recession..."

Re:How Dumb Do They Think We Are? (2, Insightful)

VP (32928) | about 13 years ago | (#2209732)

My conclusion is rather that Napster was virtually shut down, and therefore the music sales of CDs went down... althought the economic slowdown is also relevant.

Will the recorders get banned via the DMCA? (1)

Caduceus1 (178942) | about 13 years ago | (#2209608)

Hmmm...if the DMCA makes it illegal to make anything that can be _used_ for illegal copying, why aren't they arresting people at, say, HP or Phillips?

Re:Will the recorders get banned via the DMCA? (1)

cavemanf16 (303184) | about 13 years ago | (#2209715)

Send comments [riaa.org] to the RIAA here. I did.

Quality Product? (1)

mESSDan (302670) | about 13 years ago | (#2209609)

I wouldn't consider it such a quality product if those "Tech Savvy" users were burning it when they downloaded it.

You don't burn something you like.

;)

What does this mean, anyway? (2)

Perianwyr Stormcrow (157913) | about 13 years ago | (#2209610)

Mulling a CD-R tax? Nothing new, really.

Other than that, it's just a fnord, like all press releases. Yawn.

And in other news... (1)

DahGhostfacedFiddlah (470393) | about 13 years ago | (#2209614)

The RIAA is looking into a new emerging media known as "hard drives" that are capable of storying massive amounts of copyrighted data.

this is daft (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2209620)

What next, will they be trying to ban pens and paper because 'illegal' activities can be conducted wih them too?

Ps, the lamenest filter is driving me mad! every 2nd post encounters the lameness filter, and my posts are not lame.

Way to HURT the musicians. (1)

SpanishInquisition (127269) | about 13 years ago | (#2209621)

Independant artists who use CD-R to efficiently distribute their music without the help of those majors will have reason to be pissed off if they act on this, but nobody will listen to them, this is only to give more money to Lars and Dr Dre.

Re:Way to HURT the musicians. (2)

sulli (195030) | about 13 years ago | (#2209651)

But isn't that what RIAA wants? They want to kill the competition, right?

Music CDR's already contain a "RIAA tax" (2)

sulli (195030) | about 13 years ago | (#2209622)

so why doesn't she tell her member companies to STFU and simply advertise them?

I'm lucky (2)

canning (228134) | about 13 years ago | (#2209625)

While Total LP Shipments Are Low, Popularity of Format Rises Modestly
LPs increased in unit sales by 7.4 percent in the first half of 2001, representing a $12.9 million dollar value. This number is up 3.3 percent from mid-year 2000.

This means that I can continue ripping LPs with out any heat from the RIAA. They'll never catch me.

Sorry, but I use CDR primarily for data storage (2)

(void*) (113680) | about 13 years ago | (#2209628)

Yes, that is right. I make backups of my harddisks by burning the data monthly to disk. I don't see how the RIAA is going to get away with calling all CDR users pirates. If you want a tax, then please tax Music CDRs and leave me alone, okay?


(Of course, we all know what exactly the difference between a Music CDR and Data CDR is).

Re:Sorry, but I use CDR primarily for data storage (1)

ckokotay (206080) | about 13 years ago | (#2209727)

Yes, of course, it is the word 'Music'

Future Congressional Hearings (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2209631)


Are you now, or have you ever before been a downloader?

Time to stock up... (1)

Dimensio (311070) | about 13 years ago | (#2209634)

Better go out and stock up on spindles of 100 (or more if you can find 'em) 80 minute CD-Rs. Might want to pick up a pack of 25 or more 80 minute CD-RWs as well. Might even be able to sell them at a profit (but still below whatever 'tax' Congress levies on them) if the RIAA gets their way.

I'd also better get a new CD-R drive (my current one is flaking out) before the RIAA forces all manufacturers to include copy-protection mechanisms in the devices.

Re:Time to stock up... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2209684)

indeed

Like we need to pay more... (2)

Whyte Wolf (149388) | about 13 years ago | (#2209635)

Sure, why not pay a leavy on all data storage devices. Given a hard drive I can carry my stolen MP3 and warez anywhere I want--all i need is an IDE cable to plug into...

Or maybe I could copy it all by faxing it to myself. How about a leavy on fax paper?

::sheesh::

As I looked at my CDR's (1)

barnaclebarnes (85340) | about 13 years ago | (#2209637)

I find that I have about 20-30 CDR's and of those only 2 of them are mp3's. And guess what? those mp3's are from CD's I had ripped and were just for backup. Are they going to charge me extra for buying CDR's even when none of them are being used for illegal mp3's?

/b

It's worse here. (1)

KeyserDK (301544) | about 13 years ago | (#2209638)

It happened in denmark. Doubled the price of a cd-r.

Then they started talking about taxing memory cards & harddisks.. they are insane.

So every time i burn my favorite linux dist. I pay some nasty musician. Nasty cuz the amount they get is based on their normal sales. So for me the music i really cant stand ( danish pop), gets my money. All by burning a linux dist.

Funny thing is (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2209639)

I heard yesterday that since Napster was taken down, CD sales are down 4 1/2 %

Given that I burn many CD comps... (1)

Tviokh (315844) | about 13 years ago | (#2209640)

...from music I've downloaded, I have one thing to say.

Arrrrr, me mateys! :D

Data Archive (1)

wsherman (154283) | about 13 years ago | (#2209644)

Because of their widespread availability CD's are one of best mediums for archiving personal (non-commercial) data. It would be unfortunate if the RIAA messed with that.

Difficulties accessing slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2209645)

Recently I have been having extreme difficulties accesing the slashdot network. This kind of poor service and lack of commitment to the userbase is unacceptable and unprofessional. If the administrators of Slashdot continue to neglect their service I will be forced to take action with the appropriate autorities. Rob Malda and his associates are smearing VA Linux's good record by their neglect of Slashdot and their refusal to commit to maintaining its services.

Basically I am warning you right now. If you don't make an effort to keep Slashdot running smoothly I will be forced to take legal action against you.

*SIGH* (2)

Rackemup (160230) | about 13 years ago | (#2209648)

They're concerned about CD burners? They've been around for how many years and they're just now getting around to the "concerned" stage?

Fine, let them try to take away everyone's CD burner... it's almost time to move to the DVD-R format anyway. =)

I think I'm going to patent air, then lease it out and charge a tax on it cuz these morons are using up some good oxygen when they sit around thinking up these STUPID ideas to try and enforce copyrights.

Yeah, well... (2)

Mike Schiraldi (18296) | about 13 years ago | (#2209649)

At the risk of being Redundant:

The great thing about this argument is that you can replace "CD-R" with "electricity" or "computers" or "The Internet" and it still holds just as well.

Wield the Spade (1)

Bklyn (21642) | about 13 years ago | (#2209652)

One hopes that "the need for both legal protection and legitimate alternatives" will take into account the fact that some users, myself included, don't use CD-Rs to burn "pirated" music or data. There is a never-ending stream of live music that can be downloaded for free, because the performers allow their performances to be taped and traded. Check out etree.org [etree.org] for an example.

Some of us make (gasp!) backups of our data as well.

Close that tag! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2209655)

Like this: </i>

It's not CD-R's! (1)

TrollMan 5000 (454685) | about 13 years ago | (#2209657)

It's the economy, stupid!

From the RIAA press release:

Full-length CD units dropped 5.3 percent at mid-year 2001, representing a $5.5 billion dollar value within the market, a 2.7 percent decrease in dollar value from mid-year 2000.

With the coming of the bear markets, and now corporate layoffs (unemployment has risen from 4.2% to 4.5%), ssignaling a slowing economy, people have cut back on "luxury" items like CD's.

The RIAA loves convenient scapegoats like Napster and now CD-R's to place the blame for declining slaes, when they do not take into account other factors, such as the economy, the quality of the musical product or factors that cannot be measured, such as personal taste.

Here's the solution. (4, Funny)

briggsb (217215) | about 13 years ago | (#2209661)

blank CDs [bbspot.com]

I was gonna burn that CD but (2, Funny)

AnyLoveIsGoodLove (194208) | about 13 years ago | (#2209665)

I got High...

I was gonna pay my fine to the RIAA...but I got high...

I was gonna download divx movies...but I got high...

Let us pray (1)

haz-mat (8531) | about 13 years ago | (#2209666)

Let us all hope, pray, and perhaps protest. We, US citizens, can idley watch as we are subjugated any further. The idea that the RIAA might selectively target CD burners because they allow "their" music to be copied is ridiculous. This is just one more example of corporations slipping their tentacles around the now semi-defunct US government. This has gone on long, and far enough. I will not have my rights to enjoy music, or any other art, nor my right to own a CD burner for legitamate purposes revoked. Nor will i watch and allow a tax that has no real benefit but to narrow the control of music to the RIAA further be passed. Not only the idea of having to pay handsomely for music repulsive. But with the RIAA and the government in cahouts (sp) together how far away are we from watching our 1st Amendmant rights be widdled into nothingness and censorship rules. Remember what Locke said: Petition, Protest, Revolution. Perhaps we are on the verge of Revolution....

question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2209670)

When taxes such as the American one on blank audio cassettes or CD-Rs in Canada are levied, do the recording industies AlSO have to pay the tax on the raw media (which, if they do I'm sure they pass the cost on to the consumer...)

If they don't tax themselves, by what means are they excempted? Can anyone apply for and receive an exemption as a "music publisher"?

Just curious.

ugh, yuck (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2209671)

what's with these funky yellow borders? they're dead ugly

The RIAA... (1)

Oswald (235719) | about 13 years ago | (#2209672)

is a bunch of clueless idiots. They could be well on their way to multiplying their revenue and profits manyfold if they would only embrace the opportunities technology has created for them. The vast majority of the population would cheerfully fork over $.25 a song for stuff they wanted to download, because:
a: most people don't really feel good about stealing stuff, and
b: most people wish for better quality recordings than you usually get via Napster or Gnutella (or whatever).

It would cost the music industry less to deliver the music this way and, I firmly believe, people would buy lots more dollars worth of music. It's pretty easy to pass up a new CD for $15 that may only have four songs you like on it, but if you can cherry pick your favorites 4-for-a-dollar, how can you say no?

At least that's what I think.

ummm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2209689)

I hardly listen to non-burned cds. and I'd say 99% of all my burned cds are 100% legal. all the music I download is 100% legal.

check out etree.org, and join the thousounds legally trading music.

The future of DMCA (1)

rmcgehee (142010) | about 13 years ago | (#2209692)

RIAA has announced that remembering Top 40 music (neuro audio encoding) has been expressly forbidden under the DMCA.

Wistling or singing such songs will result in a fine or possible jail time.

timothy you fucking moron (-1, Offtopic)

GaylordFucker (465080) | about 13 years ago | (#2209698)

close the Italic tag!!!

*grins* Buy your RAW mode CD-R(W) now (2)

RalphTWaP (447267) | about 13 years ago | (#2209699)

Interesting story

It makes me wonder how much longer technology like this [plextor.com] will be legal. Of course, it's not as if we haven't wondered before [theregister.co.uk] (The link I have was to banjo, sorry folks).

1/2 of people surveyed? (2, Insightful)

angry_android (320134) | about 13 years ago | (#2209700)

Thats a crock. I'm sure they ruled out the following people:

1) People who dont own a computer.
2)People who don't know what an mp3 is.
3)People who don't own a burner.
4)People who do not use the internet.



You are left with a *very* small percentage of people burning cd's compared to the countless droves of consumers who purchase cd's without knowing that it's all free ;)

I don't listen to music. (1)

novastyli (450003) | about 13 years ago | (#2209704)

Yet they want to tax every cd-r I buy?

They are so self-centered they think everything is about music. I wish they stop making any music so that their "rights" could not be violated.

Outlaw music!

I know one type of storage that should get taxed. (4, Funny)

tcc (140386) | about 13 years ago | (#2209706)

RIAA, tax rambus memory... it's so much better for multimedia handling than anything else on the planet, so it's the base of MP3 compression, file sharing, ram on home computers that plays those illegal song, run the software that burns CDs, it's the NextBigThing(tm) and they claim market domination in months from now, so you should look seriously on this threath, and stop it before it gets out of hands!

Plus, you'll get our support :) I promise! :)

"Canadian style tax" be damned (5, Interesting)

eldurbarn (111734) | about 13 years ago | (#2209711)

As a Canadian content producer, I can attest to one of the faults of the Canadian media tax:

The money collected from it is supposed to be distributed to content producers to offset the business lost to copying, but the bar to entry as a producer is very high. As a small producer, not only do I have to pay the damned tax on the blank media I buy (and then pass that cost along to my customers), but I can't get my share of the gravy, either.

If the US creates such a tax and sets the bar high enough, then only the "big guys" will be able to pass over it and everyone else has to pass along an extra cost to the consumer, to the great benefit of the big guys. Talk about predatory practices!

The genie's out of the bottle (1)

Cryptimus (243846) | about 13 years ago | (#2209713)


Too late Hilary.

Consumers have a taste for this and they like it. There's no way they're going to let you take it away from them now.

Basically the RIAA doesn't get it. They're running scared since there role as distributors is under threat.

Once artists realise that labels are just glorified Ad men, the power will start to shift to Web-based opinion makers. Or maybe not the Web, but whatever consensual networked reality (be it networked PDAs or whatever) that all the 21'st century kids are going to be plugged into.

It's simple. We don't want to be exploited any more. We're not buying your ripoff collections that surround a song we like with absolute drek.

We're buying only the songs we want, when we want and how we want. We will NEVER pay for the same song twice ever again, so you can stick those "Greatest Hits" and "Best of" collections where the sun doesn't shine.

Once we've bought a song, we'll play it wherever, whenever and however we like. We'll mix it, we'll scratch it, we'll sample it, we'll screw with it in any way shape or form we desire. We'll burn it onto cd, flash it into our MP3 player or mobile phone.

We'll share the music we like with our friends like our parents used to do with tapes. When we like an artist, we'll support them. We'll buy their music because we want them to make more.

And you sweetie?

We'll you're just surplus to requirements.

In the digital world you have no purpose. You're a relic from a bygone age. A robber-baron who's built her castle by ripping off the labours of a million artists.

Frankly scrag, you can fuck right off. You're simply not welcome here.

Data, please? (2)

redelm (54142) | about 13 years ago | (#2209714)

Before anyone goes out and tries to get a tax on CD-R [like Canada], we should know:

What percent of CD-R are burnt with data or other non-music content;

What percent of CD-R are burnt with music content owned by the burnt disk owner? AKA "Fair Use" transcribing media.


I have a feeling the RIAA is just trying to kill fair use. Why am I not surprised? Anything for a $.

I want my cut (1)

milo_Gwalthny (203233) | about 13 years ago | (#2209722)

I have generated quadrillions of digits of PI. They are for sale for $1 each (just send me an email with how many you want and I will send you the string in any base you desire. I will not, however, be able to share the exact starting point of the string within pi with you.)


What I want to know is, since I believe most of the "data" being burned on CD-Rs is actually a subset of my data, how do I get my cut of any new tax?

They can have my CDR... (1)

AnalogDiehard (199128) | about 13 years ago | (#2209728)

...when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.

No problem. (1)

SJS (1851) | about 13 years ago | (#2209733)

Hey, what's the problem?

We all record large amounts of REALLY BAD music, and post the .mp3's on our web-pages for anonymous downloads. We also offer to sell CDs of these .mp3s -- at $15 a shot.

We then download each other's .mp3s (and discard most of 'em). And we all make sure we get our pound of flesh from the RIAA's tax. Easy as pie.

Hmmm..... (1)

Regolith (322916) | about 13 years ago | (#2209734)

I wonder how many music professionals got into the whole "Napster craze"? And how big is Rosen's MP3 collection?

MP3 Downloads are now bought and paid for (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2209735)

I live in Canada and have been paying this tax for over a year now. Since I pay this tax, I feel completely justified in downloading and burning any music that I come across. If I pay a tax, I expect to benefit from it somehow.

Apparently (2)

wiredog (43288) | about 13 years ago | (#2209737)

The change to slash 2.2 didn't fix Timmys' problem with open italic tags. His tags and Tacos spelling. What would slashdot be without 'em?

The funny thing is: (1)

Purple_Walrus (457070) | about 13 years ago | (#2209738)

Most of the music CDs I burn (over 90%) are not owned by the RIAA and some are not even bound by copyright laws which prohibit copying.

What are they gonna do? Come to my house and take away my CD burner and my vast collection of Russian rock?

Taxing backups (1)

JoshuaDFranklin (147726) | about 13 years ago | (#2209740)

We use CD-Rs for short-term backups. Let's see...one per weekday on 3 machines=15 per week,
60 per month, over 700 per year! If they put, say, a $.20 surcharge on CD-Rs, we'd be giving the RIAA about $140 a year. That's not that much, granted, but $140 * (large number of people) turns into pretty good income.

They did that in France (2)

Balinares (316703) | about 13 years ago | (#2209744)

Well, actually, it's some stupid minister who decided a tax on CD-Rs was needed. It was absolutely moronic: as was pointed out, now, buying CD-Rs (no matter what for -- some companies that backup data on CDs yelled a LOT) brings money mostly to music corps that don't exactly need it, and doesn't really help small labels that DO need a hand.

Bottom line: people bought massive amounts of CD-Rs just before the law became effective, so the prices went down, which vaguely made up for the tax.

But still. Did you notice that trend where big corps live by taking small amounts of money from you regularly, no matter if you buy something new from them or not? Am I the only one who thinks it is a dangerous road for an economy to tread?

RIAA twisting thing again (1)

VEGETA_GT (255721) | about 13 years ago | (#2209748)

preliminary survey of tech savvy online music enthusiasts recently conducted for the RIAA showed that nearly one out of two consumers surveyed downloaded in the past month and nearly 70 percent burned the music they downloaded

I got a thought on this, how many people in the survey actually told the truth. If you do an illegal action, do you tell the truth about it Hell no. So personally I got the funniest feeling that these numbers are not that accurate. And another point that puts this into a shady spot is that it's an online survey. So basically if you see it, you can vote. To me this leaves for a rather selective group of people to be getting statistics from. So personally, I say it's just the RIAA twisting things to suite there needs again.

My 2 cents plus 2 more

Obviously a hoax... (1)

Monte (48723) | about 13 years ago | (#2209751)

...perpetrated by the CD-R manufacturers, hoping for a run on current blanks as Slashdotters world-wide "stock up" on the as-yet untaxed media.

Admit it, you were thinking of buying an extra spindle or three, weren't you?

What's Next? (1)

Noxxus (259942) | about 13 years ago | (#2209752)

The MPAA proposing a tax on VHS cassettes?

Publishers demanding taxes on copier paper from Office Depot?

The BSA wanting to tax hard drives?

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