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Microsoft's Attempt To Convert Users From Windows XP Backfires

Unknown Lamer posted about 5 months ago | from the get-your-free-upgrade-to-ubuntu dept.

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MojoKid writes "Microsoft has been loudly and insistently banging a drum: All support and service for Windows XP and Office 2003 shuts down on April 8. In early February, faced with a slight uptick in users on the decrepit operating system the month before, Microsoft hit on an idea: Why not recruit tech-savvy friends and family to tell old holdouts to get off XP? The response ... was a torrent of abuse from Windows 8 users who aren't exactly thrilled with the operating system. Microsoft has come under serious fire for some significant missteps in this process, including a total lack of actual upgrade options. What Microsoft calls an upgrade involves completely wiping the PC and reinstalling a fresh OS copy on it — or ideally, buying a new device. Microsoft has misjudged how strong its relationship is with consumers and failed to acknowledge its own shortcomings. Not providing an upgrade utility is one example — but so is the general lack of attractive upgrade prices or even the most basic understanding of why users haven't upgraded. Microsoft's right to kill XP is unquestioned, but the company appears to have no insight into why its customers continue to use the OS. "

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I have your conversion right here... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407585)

...to a Mac mini for $599 with the latest OSX.

FUCK YOU!!!

Re:I have your conversion right here... (2)

sidevans (66118) | about 5 months ago | (#46407649)

hahahahahah

wait, are you actually serious?

Re:I have your conversion right here... (4, Interesting)

SJHillman (1966756) | about 5 months ago | (#46407709)

My grandmother refuses to upgrade because she's so in love with the greetings card workshop software that came with her first computer in the mid-90's. It's run fine on each computer since, but definitely won't run on Win 7 or 8 so she won't upgrade again. I don't think your solution is any better for her, and she's pretty representative of a large segment of the people still on XP.

Re:I have your conversion right here... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407731)

3 words. Windows XP mode. I guarantee the software will work there.

Re:I have your conversion right here... (4, Interesting)

Sarten-X (1102295) | about 5 months ago | (#46407829)

Can I get the full text of that legal guarantee?

I'll need to use it, since I have a decent library of XP-era software that won't work, even in compatibility mode. Turns out that compatibility mode won't actually let you ignore all the new security policies that XP didn't have.

Re:I have your conversion right here... (4, Interesting)

stg (43177) | about 5 months ago | (#46407929)

Windows XP mode runs a Windows XP VM on VirtualPC. It is not compatibility mode.

It is not officially available on Windows 8, though, and the problem with being unsupported after April is exactly the same as with the original Windows XP, of course (although if you only run specific programs with no net access in it I imagine the security risk is much reduced).

Re:I have your conversion right here... (2)

kthreadd (1558445) | about 5 months ago | (#46407981)

I'll need to use it, since I have a decent library of XP-era software that won't work, even in compatibility mode. Turns out that compatibility mode won't actually let you ignore all the new security policies that XP didn't have.

And how long do you think that will last? Will you continue to use XP in 10, 20, 30 years from now? If not then your should really start looking for alternatives, preferably free software alternatives that don't hide their source code. That way you're more likely to not get into the same situation again.

Re:I have your conversion right here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407847)

Good luck with that on windows 8. However, if you're against using windows 8 you should be fine with windows 7.

Re:I have your conversion right here... (3, Interesting)

Evardsson (959228) | about 5 months ago | (#46407867)

Your guarantee is invalid. I still have XP on a VM for running one thing: Rebirth. I have tried running it under 7 in XP mode; it fails to even start. I have tried installing it in Wine (both Linux and OSX), it runs long enough to start displaying the interface then crashes. I have used Rebirth since 97 - first on Win 3.11 (I skipped 95, and went straight to 98 - and very quickly wished I hadn't). It worked great in 3.11, 98, 2K, and XP.

Re:I have your conversion right here... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407879)

To be fair, if your computer does what you want it to do and does it well, then there is no reason to upgrade. I get so sick of seeing tech savvy folks act like it's better to have the latest just for the hell of it. It's not, I have downgraded several times because previous generation software and/or hardware works better for the reason I'm utilizing it. If you have to do the main thing you use a computer for in "compatibility mode" then what was the point of the money you spend to upgrade? Just to throw away.

Re:I have your conversion right here... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407963)

So Grandma is supposed to backup her files, wipe the computer, install Windows 7 or later, reinstall her software, restore her files, and enable XP compatibility mode versus keep things exactly as they are.

You are a crack smoking monkey.

Have you tried the software out on ReactOS? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407833)

If not, try it now [reactos.org] and if it works you've solved the problem with no real UI change.

Re:I have your conversion right here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407765)

Instead of being forced to upgrade a mildly expensive device every 5 years, be forced to upgrade a very expensive device every other year! What a deal! But really, I could build a gaming rig for 1/3 the price of a Mac and have better parts. Not to mention the required compatibility breaking OSX upgrades that happen every few years.

Re:I have your conversion right here... (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 5 months ago | (#46407801)

video card sucks and only an 5400 RPM HDD with 4GB ram at that price.

Re:I have your conversion right here... (1)

thevirtualcat (1071504) | about 5 months ago | (#46407895)

Indeed. In fact, just the other day I updated my Mac OS 9.2.2 G3 to Mac OS X 10.9.

I really don't understand why Microsoft is so quick on the draw to kill off their old products with no warning and alienate their customers.

Tired... (-1, Troll)

mystikkman (1487801) | about 5 months ago | (#46407593)

Tired of all the hit pieces on Microsoft. This is like Fox News on Obama.
Please make it stop.

Re:Tired... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407619)

Not entirely. At least there is not any racism or blatant lies in TFS.

Re:Tired... (-1, Troll)

Oligonicella (659917) | about 5 months ago | (#46407807)

I know, the liberals have been restrained, haven't they?

Re:Tired... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407651)

Sure when Microsoft does something new, original or good without it being a case of "we did this too but 18 months after everyone else".

The only time they've been first recently was jumping in bed with the NSA.

Re:Tired... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407659)

For the ultimate Fox News experience you can always switch to beta.

Re:Tired... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407675)

Truth hurts, doesn't it?

Re:Tired... (5, Insightful)

grasshoppa (657393) | about 5 months ago | (#46407687)

You may want to take a seat, this may be a bit of a shock to you; this is a website about technology. Perhaps surprisingly, the desktop many of us have to support counts as "technology". Therefore, the company behind the OS on these desktops gets attention. More so when they make as many boneheaded moves as MS has over the past several years.

For a while there, MS was doing "OK". Windows 7 was decent ( even though they moved shit around on me and broke some functionality that was useful to admins in xp...but I digress ), security was 1000% better than it used to be. They were really picking up steam, especially after vista.

Re:Tired... (4, Insightful)

NotDrWho (3543773) | about 5 months ago | (#46407703)

While it's true that /. has a long history of MS-hating, I'm even more disturbed by the fact that Apple still seems all-too-often to get a free pass around here. Apple has, IMHO, *WAY* surpassed MS in the "evil empire" category. MS, even at it's most arrogant and heavy-handed, never tried to construct a walled garden around its OS's and forbid users from loading 3rd-party software that they didn't approve of. Apple has not only done that, but it's become their trademark.

There are loads of people on /. who are still blasting MS for putting a fucking their own web browser in their OS back in the 90's. But when Apple not only puts their own web browser in their OS, *BUT FORBIDS INSTALLING ANY OTHER THIRD-PARTY BROWSER*, everyone just shrugs their shoulders and talks about how great a guy Steve Jobs was.

Re: Tired... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407775)

What are you smoking. I use chrome on osx all the time. I don't like chrome but I use it to keep my android tablet updated.

Alternative browser on iOS maybe. Then again mobile safari set the benchmark for mobile browsers( before they couldn't render full pages decently). And chrome on android doesn't offer anything special but lock you into google as opposes to apple. I use both.

Re: Tired... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407937)

You must be retarded. Android doesn't lock you into anything. Hell, most phones can be activated and used with zero dependency on Google services.

Install a new properly writeen GPS Navigation software? It's two clicks to replace it like native.

Re:Tired... (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | about 5 months ago | (#46407843)

To be fair, that's exactly what they are doing with their Windows RT tablets. The only way to load software on is with the Windows Store, and the only browser available is IE. Although I guess one could make a different browser available through the app store.

Re:Tired... (-1, Troll)

Sarten-X (1102295) | about 5 months ago | (#46407853)

...Apple not only puts their own web browser in their OS, *BUT FORBIDS INSTALLING ANY OTHER THIRD-PARTY BROWSER*...

[citation needed]

Re:Tired... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407861)

But when Apple not only puts their own web browser in their OS, *BUT FORBIDS INSTALLING ANY OTHER THIRD-PARTY BROWSER*, everyone just shrugs their shoulders and talks about how great a guy Steve Jobs was.

Huh? I've never had a problem installing other browsers on a mac. Ran Netscape for ages, back in the day, switched to Firefox, played around with Opera and Chrome-- even ran IE a couple of times (had to check how some sites displayed with IE)-- no problem.

WHAT? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407943)

Nice try, but I have no problems installing any THIRD-PARTY Browser on my macs ever!! You apparently dont use a Mac.
So stick to the subject or stfu

But we love Microsoft (1)

sjbe (173966) | about 5 months ago | (#46407745)

Tired of all the hit pieces on Microsoft.

You must be new here. [/sarcasm]

i no rite? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407753)

i haven't been to slashdot in many years. i lol'd when i just opened it up and the first story is about big bad microsoft

m$st
microserfs
meecroshits

lol lol lol top kek keep fighting the good fight dudes

Re:Tired... (0)

Austerity Empowers (669817) | about 5 months ago | (#46407897)

Unlike Fox news, most of this is actually true. Also, you must be new here, slashdot has been digging on MS since the day it was created. It's why many of us keep coming back.

Re:Tired... (2)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about 5 months ago | (#46407989)

Your simile is more fitting than you think. If you don't want to see Obama taking flak, don't watch fox news. If you don't want to see microsoft's actions being criticized, don't go on slashdot. Or don't click on the link. Judging by your comment history, you ONLY seem to defend MS and knock google or apple. I don't think you're shilling, I just think if you're so pro-MS you might be happier elsewhere.

Read in the voice of a sniveling nerd (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407605)

Summery is best read in the voice of a sniveling little linux fag.

Re:Read in the voice of a sniveling nerd (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407725)

Summery is best read in the voice of a sniveling little linux fag.

However, it is still wintery outside.

.

.

.

Oh yeah... fuck beta.

lack of attractive upgrade prices (5, Insightful)

NotDrWho (3543773) | about 5 months ago | (#46407615)

Not to mention the fact that upgrading from any computer old enough to have come with XP to Windows 8 is highly unlikely. You will almost certainly have to buy new hardware along with that expensive software.

Re:lack of attractive upgrade prices (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407711)

Not to mention the fact that upgrading from any computer old enough to have come with XP to Windows 8 is highly unlikely. You will almost certainly have to buy new hardware along with that expensive software.

Believe me I'm not trying to sound like a fan of either here, but "expensive" is relative when comparing the cost of the average new PC vs. a new Mac. I can still go buy a brand-new Windows 8 laptop for sub-$500.

Ironically, only one of those companies is giving away the OS for free. And they should. They charge enough for the damn hardware.

Re:lack of attractive upgrade prices (2)

Deathlizard (115856) | about 5 months ago | (#46407749)

There are still a ton of windows XP PC's out there capable of running 8.1. Any Core 2 (and some last gen P4's) or Athlon 64 PCs or Higher will run it fine as long as it's got at least 2GB of RAM, but it's the transition that's the pain, especially since MS removed Windows Easy Transfer From Windows 8.1

There is talk that MS is going to release a Free edition of Windows 8.1, but it will most likely be gimped or restricted on who can install the OS, such as Large OEM's only. If they played their cards correctly (Like add the start menu back) they could get those users to convert and get some windows 8.1 share, but since that's not happening soon enough...

Re:lack of attractive upgrade prices (5, Insightful)

Joce640k (829181) | about 5 months ago | (#46407813)

Microsoft's list of reasons to upgrade include:

* Designed with the new mobile lifestyle in mind
* More background designs and colors
* Enhanced Bing search
* A beautifully redesigned store.
* Deep cloud integration with OneDrive.

With reasons like that I can't imagine why XP users aren't rushing out to drop $500 on a new PC, $100 on a new monitor and another $300 on a new printer/scanner then replacing/reinstalling all their software and trying to get everything working like it already was...

Re:lack of attractive upgrade prices (4, Funny)

NotDrWho (3543773) | about 5 months ago | (#46407887)

I can't wait to live a new mobile lifestyle!

How much evil can Microsoft sell? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407911)

Microsoft is widely misunderstood. People think Microsoft is a software company. That's not its main business. Microsoft's main business is delivering evil.

After years of fixing bugs in Windows XP, it is still so buggy that people shouldn't use it???

Microsoft deliberately alternates releasing bad versions of Windows. XP, good. Vista, bad. Win 7, good. Win 8, terrible.

500,000,000 users of Windows XP should buy new hardware?

There is no upgrade path. The cost of configuring Windows 7, and dealing with the weird issues, is far greater than the cost of buying Windows 7.

Microsoft management is utterly incompetent. Steve Ballmer, now thankfully fired, was on the cover of BusinessWeek magazine in February of 2012. The cover repeated a common term for Ballmer: "Monkey Boy".

-- My opinions, shared by many.

Re:lack of attractive upgrade prices (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407941)

Lack of need. Seriously: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." If your 2001 PC is still running, still showing you the web pages you want to see, still playing cat videos, and hasn't prevented you from sending email, then why would you spend $500, or even $50 to replace it? My mom is still using a PPC mac for god's sake, and only just beginning to notice that she can't see certain things because Firefox hasn't released a PPC binary in 3 years and Adobe hasn't released a PPC Flash in 4 years.

I suspect XP users will do exactly the same: keep using their old systems until they no longer work. This will start when developers stop making XP-compatible releases, but that's going to take a while, given that the entire Windows ecosystem is built on backward-compatibility. Probably more, when the hold-outs are finally forced to give up their 10-year-old computers, they're likely to find tablets to be perfectly acceptable alternatives (even if they have to buy a WAP to replace the wire from the cable modem) and cheaper than an actual computer. These are the people MS is marketing to - they already know their enterprise users are locked in - it's that 30% of users who are going to buy their first new computer in 10 years and be choosing between an iPad, Android, and Surface. Or maybe just skipping the whole thing and sticking with their phone.

Upgrade, Citizen. It's the law. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407617)

Microsoft's strategy is to have the US Federal Government act as "the stick". Who needs marketing when you have HIPPA?

Re:Upgrade, Citizen. It's the law. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407821)

What does a female hippo have to do with anything?
You probably mean HIPAA.

XP Works (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407629)

People keep using XP because it works just fine.
There's nothing wrong with it. Why would we change?
If it aint broken, why fix it?

Save Windows XP!!

Re:Office 2003 works (3, Insightful)

bumba2014 (3564161) | about 5 months ago | (#46407661)

it works, why change it.... I'm still using it...

8XP is what customer want (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407633)

I am just amazed that Microsoft doesn't make a Windows 8XP. Take the look of XP UIs and just put it on top of Windows 8. Really is it that hard to analyze. No one would whine about changes other than maybe hardware incompatibility but the older XP crowd get the security of the new platform without change. Jeez.

Re:8XP is what customer want (2)

SJHillman (1966756) | about 5 months ago | (#46407739)

But that doesn't address one of the huge issues - software that runs on XP that won't run on Win 7 or 8 (especially 16bit software). In my experience, that's one of the main causes for not upgrading, and is the reason we still have an entire department on XP where I work.

Start testing out ReactOS at work (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407901)

You may be pleasantly surprised [reactos.org] .

Re:Start testing out ReactOS at work (1)

SJHillman (1966756) | about 5 months ago | (#46407977)

I actually just downloaded the ReactOS iso last week and am hoping to try it in a VM when I get some time... more than half of my PC games are pre-y2k.

Re:8XP is what customer want (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 5 months ago | (#46407919)

That doesn't sell. People don't see anything different, so they won't buy it.

Security is not a selling point. People simply don't give a fuck.

NO Suprises Given the failure of 8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407635)

Especially when AMD are going to be making new AM1 socket chipsets with the latest technlogies which touts XP support as it flagship reason of choice... If I were Microsoft I'd just rebrand Windows 7 SP1 with DX11.2 as Windows 9 :D

Win 7 (5, Insightful)

GuitarNeophyte (636993) | about 5 months ago | (#46407637)

Anyone who I have known who wanted to buy a new computer, I have told them to make sure they get windows 7. Those people have been pretty ok. If Microsoft wasn't trying to kill their good product (Win 7) by pushing everyone to Win 8, they'd be fine.

Re:Win 7 (1, Troll)

Gunboat_Diplomat (3390511) | about 5 months ago | (#46407683)

Anyone who I have known who wanted to buy a new computer, I have told them to make sure they get windows 7. Those people have been pretty ok. If Microsoft wasn't trying to kill their good product (Win 7) by pushing everyone to Win 8, they'd be fine.

So, I get the hate on metro, but it is mostly easily avoided, and Win8 desktop is better than Win7. I'm running Win8 and even though I don't use and don't like metro on a non-touch machine, I would never want to downgrade to Win7.

Re:Win 7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407757)

Enjoy your always-on TPM module then. I'm sure you like it, after all it's "trusted"

Re:Win 7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407761)

List 5 reasons to back up your claims and I may be interested...

Re:Win 7 (0)

SJHillman (1966756) | about 5 months ago | (#46407767)

This, almost entirely. Metro sucks, but I found Windows 8 as a whole to be better. I switched back to 7 about a year ago just because of drivers issues, but once I'm convinced 8.1 has the biggest bugs shaken out, I plan to re-upgrade. I think too many people think of Metro and Windows 8 as being synonyms when they're really not. It's the equivalent of saying X model of car is absolutely horrible because you don't like the layout of the dash.

Re:Win 7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407903)

Just don't download a lot. A known bug in windows 8 which still hasn't been fixed is a service that is by default on that measures how much network traffic there has been, sadly it almost leaks as much as the number of bytes you download.

Finally I found how to disable that service and it has been running pretty smooth since then.

But why is this service even running by deafult, I was has this bug still not been closed?

Re:Win 7 (2)

tsqr (808554) | about 5 months ago | (#46407987)

It's the equivalent of saying X model of car is absolutely horrible because you don't like the layout of the dash.

You may be right about that. The thing is, most people don't want to buy a car that pisses them off every time they slide into the driver's seat.

Re:Win 7 (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about 5 months ago | (#46407891)

Majority of XP users think excel and word is Windows and don't know what an OS is. Hence why 93% of users don't know what a freaking browser is [youtube.com] !

Those who know better and give a damn left XP a long time ago. Yes this is Slashdot so some XP diehard reading this will reply otherwise how wrong I am, but this is an extreme minority.

MS needs to notify these users with a pop up. They will think its scareware and will likely bring it into geeksquad where they will be told its EOL.

People just are not educated and know more about their cars than their magical boxes. When you discuss OSes they don't understand as evident by my link ... or at least the some 20% in western nations which still use XP. CORPS have already switched.

Re:Win 7 (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407893)

I recently had my laptop stolen, and i had to get a new one, it came with Windows 8. I didn't fancy to upgrade my last laptop from win7 but, since win95, i use what comes with the computer since it's work related, it's better to have a legal copy.
So, i've tried to use windows 8 for a day and it was impossible so, i've upgrade to windows 8.1 and for 3 more days tried to use it and change everything i could to do my work.

To end it, after 4 complete days of lost time, for the first time.. i have a pirate copy of windows 7 so that i can do my day to day work (There are no more laptops with windows 7 to buy at the stores).

Microsoft has plenty of insight... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407639)

... as to why people don't like Win8, they simply choose to ignore it. No other reason is possible.

You will never... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407641)

be able to force people off something they love, get over it.

huh? (2)

Connie_Lingus (317691) | about 5 months ago | (#46407643)

i'd have to say...isn't it a pretty good assumption that 90% of machines running XP are under-powered (by modern standards) boxes that just won't really be able to handle the transition to the soon-to-be-free 8.1?

running even win7 on a machine with less then 2G is a nightmare...i can't imaging 8.1 being much better.

ms has to know this...besides the obvious (to us slashdotters of course) idea to move them to linuux peppermint or xfce, what does ms expect these user to do?

Re:huh? (1, Interesting)

Will.Woodhull (1038600) | about 5 months ago | (#46407783)

I expect a lot of the machines that are still running WinXP are dual booting with one of the newer Linux distros. WinXP is still the greatest for legacy apps and good enough for many of the classic games. Everyday work can be done more easily and safely in a Linux distro.

Re:huh? (5, Insightful)

Connie_Lingus (317691) | about 5 months ago | (#46407877)

really?

i HIGHLY doubt this...the people i know running XP on old hardware are totally clueless about linux...all they really use the machines for is browsing, email, and perhaps an application here n there.

Such an insightful summary (1)

geminidomino (614729) | about 5 months ago | (#46407647)

The summary is truly fantastic. I don't think the article's writer could have put it better himself!

Upgradeophobia (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407655)

Most non-Windows O/S users generally look forward to their upgrades, Windows users suffer from anxiety of losing data, being forced into a new UX paradigm, and a general fear of doing anything "technical". If it's not broken....

Re:Upgradeophobia (1)

SJHillman (1966756) | about 5 months ago | (#46407831)

This is more likely because most other OSes have more transitional upgrades, whereas since Windows XP, each new version of Windows has been a pretty significant jump. From Win 95/NT to Me/2000, UI changes relatively extremely tiny. 2000 to XP had quite a jump (and most people hated it for the first few years it was out), and XP to Vista an even bigger jump. Windows 7 was a refinement of Vista's UI and was well-received. 8 was another big change and it floundered.

And no more EasyTransfer! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407663)

Since Microsoft decided to kill EasyTransfer from anything but 7 or 8 to 8.1, that means non-savvy users have a hell of a time actually migrating their data. Sure, copy and paste still works to an external drive, but telling someone to buy this cable, plug one end into your old PC, the other end into your new PC, and wait an hour or two was a lot easier than explaining exactly where their pictures and music were stored. Any legitimate reason they killed it off? NO! You should just use (Sky)LiveDrive now. Because we all have unlimited bandwidth and upload capacity.

Re:And no more EasyTransfer! (1, Insightful)

SJHillman (1966756) | about 5 months ago | (#46407949)

How easy is it to upgrade from OS X 10.1 (Puma) to OS X 10.8 (Mountain Lion)?
Puma came out a month before XP and Mountain Lion came out three months before Windows 8.

How easy is it to upgrade from Debian 3 (Woody) to Debian 7 (Wheezy)?

How easy is it to upgrade from Fedora... no, wait, Fedora 1 didn't come out until two years after XP. So let's try Red Hat Linux 7.2 (Enigma) to Fedora 18 (Spherical Cow)?

People forget that Windows XP is really goddamn old.

I already upgraded years ago... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407671)

To DEBIAN, bitches!!

Upgrade What Now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407685)

Its probably sacrilege to defend Microsoft here, but its not like you can upgrade Ubuntu 4.10 to Ubuntu 13.10 in any reasonable way, and I wouldn't want to try and install vanilla Ubuntu on a 10 year old machine, either. Microsoft has problems. Big Windows 8 shaped problems. But not providing a reasonable upgrade path for a decade old operating system isn't one of them.

Re:Upgrade What Now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407733)

It's not sacrilege, but it's not a defense of Microsoft either. I upgraded a Mac Snowleopard to Mavericks - NO PROBLEM and I upgraded Ubuntu 10.04 to 13.10 - NO PROBLEM. Just sayin...

Re:Upgrade What Now? (1)

technomom (444378) | about 5 months ago | (#46407835)

ElementaryOS runs surprisingly well on older machines. That's pretty much what I'm doing with all my dinosaurs.

Re:Upgrade What Now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407927)

Its probably sacrilege to defend Microsoft here, but its not like you can upgrade Ubuntu 4.10 to Ubuntu 13.10 in any reasonable way, and I wouldn't want to try and install vanilla Ubuntu on a 10 year old machine, either. Microsoft has problems. Big Windows 8 shaped problems. But not providing a reasonable upgrade path for a decade old operating system isn't one of them.

There is a way to do that upgrade. You create a home partition, use some tool (cant remember the name) to mark the software you installed and then you can reinstall the OS as you please while retaining your home directory and auto installing compatible software. Not perfect but it works.

As to installing ubuntu 13 on a 10 yr old machine, I did it sorry (it might have been 12 but I think it was 13). It was a slow process (less than 1G ram! I think its 512mb if I remember the spec right and an old celeron processor) and it isnt lightning fast but I did it for my gran who will not buy a new machine because it aint worth it. She loved XP but cant see any reason to upgrade for what she uses the machine for. Without updates she was considering binning the machine until I suggested trying linux. I was surprised ubuntu installed but it can just about do it.

Funnily it runs a similar speed to her XP install which she ran for so long it was full of rubbish (her fault) and naff programs she played with. XP held out pretty well and suited her needs. Now ubuntu does it.

Re:Upgrade What Now? (1)

SJHillman (1966756) | about 5 months ago | (#46407969)

Especially given that Ubuntu 4.10 came out three years after XP, so it's an even bigger leap with Windows.

Windows 7 (5, Interesting)

webmistressrachel (903577) | about 5 months ago | (#46407713)

They should just roll back to Windows 7 Service Pack 1 and start from there. It's bloody good, and all this is a bloody shame. They were just getting good and learning from the UNIX crowd about security and user space. Aero is gorgeous and efficient. And they threw all the best bits I got excited about in the bin - and no I didn't get excited about Vista - 7 runs better on anything that runs Vista.

I've posted before about this calamity that is removing Windows 7 from the shelves for this 8 nonsense.

Meanwhile, the Linux community ... (3, Funny)

jamesl (106902) | about 5 months ago | (#46407729)

... has done a terrific job converting these decrepit XP machines to open source. After all, its free, secure and runs on anything that XP will. The migration tools are free, secure, work really well and available just about everywhere.

And once she's running Linux, grandma will stop calling with all those support questions.

Re:Meanwhile, the Linux community ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407975)

And once she's running Linux, grandma will stop calling with all those support questions.

Please, please, please tell me this is sarcasm. If it isn't then it's easily one of the most delusional things I've ever read on this site, which is saying a hell of a lot.

Memo to the Linux "community": Give up your wet dreams of being a major player on the desktop. It will never happen. You're up against large, evil corporations with bargeloads of cash, and your efforts are so unfocused and so inadequate you're just embarrassing yourselves. Be content with your niche-of-a-niche desktop status and try not to trip with every other step.

Yes and No (2)

fermion (181285) | about 5 months ago | (#46407747)

Microsoft's right to kill XP is unquestioned, but the company appears to have no insight into why its customers continue to use the OS.

MS is a public firm, so if XP is losing money, and share holder value is not being honored, then yes MS has every reason to kill it.

But if customers are still finding enough value to pay MS to support it, then MS is just making arbitrary decisions that are hurt long term value. If business customers are not going to be able to trust MS to support core technology that is good enough, they will go somewhere else. Business customers can't be expected to change their business models just because MS want to sell a new toy.

The win8 desktop fixes are obvious (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407751)

Get rid of metro
Get rid of apps that take up the entire screen. Don't even tell me I could split the window in half, it pisses me off
Fix the start button so I can see my programs again
Restore popular programs that were removed, like video player.

Upgrade is reinstall (2, Insightful)

Barryke (772876) | about 5 months ago | (#46407755)

This article is bogus and even /. MS bashing unworthy. A proper upgrade is a OS reinstall, not a wizard that performs some half-ass "lets copy files and hope it works". Windows XP was never intended to boast a upgrade system like this. Applications can do anything on the whole computer and there is nothing to properly wall these in, except for using a sandboxed OS like Android or iOS. But these are, ofcourse, not as productive.

Quit the whining, just buy the new hardware and accept that the world doesnt stop spinning because you got stuck in 1994.

MicroC**P (0)

udippel (562132) | about 5 months ago | (#46407787)

Flogging a dead horse here: Is it really a surprise - or any news by the way - what Unknown Lamer has provided us with? Oh, I see, Unknown Lamer.
Recently I had my 25 years anniversary on Microsoft software. Says it all. Of course, the larger part and the larger amount of work was done rather flawlessly on the *nix of favour; but I couldn't avoid it totally.

Since when has there at any moment been an update/upgrade path; one that I could have had for 20 years on another system. Many another system, by the way. And wouldn't I have enjoyed a dedicated /home partition storing 100% of my files and settings? And could I not move a disk simply to another machine; or if need be, dd or partimage it, write it back, and done?
So, where's the news here?
Or is the news seen in the fact that after decades people have actually understood George W. Bush's adage of "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." And yes, they were!

the one flaw in that (0)

slashmydots (2189826) | about 5 months ago | (#46407789)

There's one flaw in that complaint. The last computer sold with XP that would be unbelievably fast would likely be an early core duo or core 2 duo or Phenom x6 AM2 socket with 8GB of RAM and a sub-100MB/s SATA drive and a gTX285. That system overall is pathetic and wouldn't run Windows 7 very well at all not to mention its insanely inefficient energy usage. Back in reality, most have 1-2GB of RAM, a pathetic hard drive, and an even more pathetic chip, usually a single core. So to say "replace your device" as the most recommended step um yeah. The youngest XP device from a normal manufacturer would be 7 years old right now. Time to go.

Re:the one flaw in that (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 5 months ago | (#46407985)

And why should I upgrade my machine just to run an OS that slows it down to what I already have?

Seriously, why do OSs have to grow enough to nix the advances in hardware, both in size and speed?

Modus Operandi (1)

G. Scott Johnston (3564181) | about 5 months ago | (#46407809)

"Microsoft has misjudged how strong its relationship is with consumers and failed to acknowledge its own shortcomings." This sounds about par for the course for Microsoft. Remember that other thing they did? [Name anything Microsoft has done.] Yeah, that one. It sounds like that, too.

Simple really (3, Insightful)

Revek (133289) | about 5 months ago | (#46407811)

Most People don't want to relearn anything. They know how to do this or do that and its different the second you move up to the next version after windows xp and office 2003. Microsoft has to accept its customer base doesn't want to have to learn how to drive a new operating system or application every few years.

Windows 7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407837)

Somehow I ended up on Slashdot beta... thank God for the option at the bottom of the page to switch to classic.

Windows 7 is pretty efficient and stable. The Windows 8 attempt to unify mobile/laptop/desktop is a complete failure. Give it up, Microsoft.

me (to family): pls drop XP - for a TABLET!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407845)

I bought my mom an iPad just to NOT have to deal w/support calls. trying to give my mother-in-law one for same reason.

it's worth me paying out of my pocket for the time savings!

Because it works (2)

smooth wombat (796938) | about 5 months ago | (#46407849)

he company appears to have no insight into why its customers continue to use the OS.

When something works, why change? And don't give me the crap about security and this and that. Cars from the 60s don't have anywhere near the safety features modern cars do yet have no problem operating safely.

For the average person who does some web surfing and checks their email, there is no legitimate reason to upgrade ESPECIALLY when you take into consideration the costs involved.

This will be one of the few times you'll hear this, but Microsoft did too good a job creating XP.

re-write your code base so MS can make 5 cents.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407859)

A lot of applications will not run on 8 without serious work.

I should spend 10-50K on refactoring working code so Bill can make a profit ?

They look even sillier now than the Silverlight attempt.

They would be better off asking for an XP extended update subscription,
but most would balk at that as well, since it would be designed to slowly dissolve
XP functionality by Bill's henchmen.

That's their reputation, and everybody knows it.

W8 is also regarded as crippleware in this regard, so Bill gets what he's designed for, nothing.

jr

Obvious answer (2)

HockeyPuck (141947) | about 5 months ago | (#46407873)

WinXP: It's good enough.

My retired parents use their computer for the exact same things today as when they bought it ages ago. They surf the web, do email, occasionally skype and keep track of things in excel, word and a bit of time on FB. It sits in their home office and each morning one of them turns it on uses it and then at night when the last one is done using it, (s)he powers it off for the night. They've got some ext HD that backs up their computer every day in case something happens.

It works. Sure they have kindles to read books, but there's no need to fork over $500+ for a new system and then the hassle of migrating all of their apps/data/settings to a new platform.

What else do they have that "just works"? A toaster oven, a microwave and other appliances. They see the computer as an appliance, it works, it has an interface and a set of expected behaviors. Nice and simple.

Would have worked better (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407899)

Your Windows XP operating system is out of date, please buy a mac

Windows 8 downfall is touch / dual UI stapeled (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 5 months ago | (#46407925)

Windows 8 downfall is touch / dual UI stapeled on top of each other.

What they to do is build in ModernMix to the OS and have a real start menu as well.

In enterprise some times it can be iffy to use 3rd party hacks like that and Modern Mix is a little buggy as well.

Also the touch UI is too on app / limited multitasking based that does not work on big screens / multi screen setups and we don't need hot corners / charms bar.

Also most enterprise work flows are not good for the windows 8 UI.

Users are Cheap and dont like Change (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407945)

There are two reasons people dont want to upgrade. The first being price, people are loathe to even pay $300 for a basic laptop or desktop, no matter what their hardware or software needs are. The second is that people dont want or understand change. I work at a national computer store chain and i've been told reasons from "But this Dell Dimension desktop i bought in 2002 worked just FINE until the hardware finally died. Why cant you fix it and keep it the same?" to "It looks different, i don't want to learn to use it." Windows 8.1 is fine, they stumbled a bit with the launch, but 8.1 is better for many people, the simpler start menu making it much easier for elderly or MUCH less tech savy people then the Slashdot crowd to use a computer. Also, an easy way to reinstall the OS built in while leaving files intact makes my job MUCH easier :)

Pay Attention Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407967)

Windows XP had great fast search speeds, usb and other external memory and files loaded super fast, could play games with less memory needed, nice desktop design. Was good. Back to basics all users needed.

Vista - Oh god, oh jesus, that search speed, the scars from the nightmares are still there.

Windows 7 - This was actually good and the search speeds, while not up to XP speeds, was reasonable. Nice desktop too. Shame it's not promoted with a discount purchase to XP users.

Windows 8 - lol

Do you see why you should continue support XP and maybe continue its development, Microsoft? Or at least offer a super discount Windows 7 deal to current XP users. Or Linux wins if XP is abandoned due to too many new viruses post 2014.

"Updates? I don't need no stinking updates." (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46407983)

I used to read the fine print of the so-called automatic "updates" that XP insisted on downloading and installing every week. It seemed like unimportant tidbits again and again. I was tired of being interrupted by this drivel, so I turned it off, ten years ago! I've had no issues with any of my machines on XP (work or home), nor have they been unable to do what I needed. I question updates' efficacy for the average user.

That said, what does scare me though, is that I've seen an XP machine sit on a shelf unplugged for months and it would not boot after being powered up again UNLESS it could first talk to Microsoft's (activation?) servers. This would portend that a remote plug could be pulled on all of it, intentionally or unintentionally.

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