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Police Say No Foul Play In Death of Bitcoin Exchange CEO Autumn Radtke

timothy posted about 5 months ago | from the sad-news dept.

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An anonymous reader writes with this excerpt: "The CEO of a virtual-currency exchange was found dead near her home in Singapore. A police spokesman said Thursday that initial investigations indicated there was no suspicion of 'foul play' in the Feb. 26 death, meaning officers do not suspect murder. The spokesman said police found 28-year-old Autumn Radtke, an American, lying motionless near the apartment tower where she lived. Police have so far classified the death as 'unnatural,' which can mean an accident, misadventure, or suicide." Hat tip to Jamie McCarthy for Slate's thoughtful take on Radtke's death, and the way it's been reported (notably, several sources have speculated that her death was a suicide, with little support).

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126 comments

Shitcoin (-1, Flamebait)

johnsie (1158363) | about 5 months ago | (#46419501)

Dodgecoin FTW!

Re:Shitcoin (-1)

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Re:Shitcoin (0)

SpankiMonki (3493987) | about 5 months ago | (#46420089)

What say you?

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This couldn't get any better... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46419533)

for anyone writing a book on BTC.

Re:This couldn't get any better... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46419915)

It's HAPPENING!!!

Here's why they're calling it a suicide (4, Informative)

barlevg (2111272) | about 5 months ago | (#46419565)

According to the Washington Post, [washingtonpost.com] "Police have so far classified the death as 'unnatural,' which can mean an accident, misadventure, or suicide," and they've taken that and combined it with "Last month she linked to an article on entrepreneurs suffering depression, commenting above the link: everything has its price." WaPo stops short of outright *saying* she committed suicide, but that's certainly the conclusion they're leading their readers to.

Re:Here's why they're calling it a suicide (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46419647)

Which is exactly how professional hits would like things to go, isn't it.

Re:Here's why they're calling it a suicide (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46420041)

wonder if a hitman takes bitcoin? or if one did and got pissed off because the value deflated...

Re:Here's why they're calling it a suicide (3, Funny)

TheCarp (96830) | about 5 months ago | (#46419793)

> Last month she linked to an article on entrepreneurs suffering depression

You are missing the obvious fact that comes up if you do any searching on her.

She was known for having launched a product, aimed specifically at Second Life. If involvement in second life isn't a marker for potential lifelong clinical depression, then I don't know what is.

Re:Here's why they're calling it a suicide (2)

i kan reed (749298) | about 5 months ago | (#46419911)

Suicide. You can pretty much guarantee the depression lasted their entire life there.

Re:Here's why they're calling it a suicide (1)

Immerman (2627577) | about 5 months ago | (#46421237)

Nope, only the final moments. Remember "entire life" or "lifelong" imply a duration extending to (roughly) both temporal extremes of their existence.

Re:Here's why they're calling it a suicide (1)

i kan reed (749298) | about 5 months ago | (#46422187)

Yeah, all those clinically depressed babies. Depression onset doesn't usually occur at all until pubescence.

Cause is obvious (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46419927)

She was known for having launched a product, aimed specifically at Second Life.

Well in that case it definitely is murder.

Furries got her.

why the press don't generally report suicide (4, Informative)

SuperBanana (662181) | about 5 months ago | (#46420055)

WaPo stops short of outright *saying* she committed suicide, but that's certainly the conclusion they're leading their readers to.

There's a reason the press shies away from it. Mental health organizations have guidelines and recommendations on how to report responsibly on suicides.

The absolute worst is reporting on the contents of, or even mentioning, a note, because then people who are on the edge / suicidal think "Ah, I can get my letter published too!"

This sounds absurd, but it's well demonstrated that suicides are "infectious", and reports in the media about a suicide can cause others who are close to do it themselves. It's one of the reasons, after a suicide in a school/workplace/community, you see an immediate effort made to make resources available to everyone else.

Re:why the press don't generally report suicide (1)

song-of-the-pogo (631676) | about 5 months ago | (#46420743)

It's certainly the case that many media outlets may have guidelines [wikipedia.org] for suicide reporting for some of the the very reasons you mention, though it appears in the US, at least, there are no industry-wide standards. One other possible reason for not reporting on the contents of, or mentioning, a note is that many, and possibly even most, suicides do not leave a note [wikipedia.org] . I was surprised to learn this, personally, as media/entertainment portrayal of suicide lead me to believe that leaving a note was a normal part of the whole process.

Re:why the press don't generally report suicide (1)

SuperBanana (662181) | about 5 months ago | (#46420883)

I said that mentioning a note (or the reason for the suicide) is the worst thing the media could do, not that it is commonly done.

Mentioning the reasons is an invasion of privacy, and validates suicide as a solution to problems others may be having. Very similar to why notes are not mentioned.

Re:why the press don't generally report suicide (2)

taiwanjohn (103839) | about 5 months ago | (#46421171)

I spent some time as a copy editor in a newspaper, and I was never given any instructions about how to report suicides. Given the scope and market of that rag, we seldom covered suicides anyway, so it wasn't much of an issue. But we did at least try to handle such things tactfully.

This was all 10~15 years ago, so a lot has changed since then, but I reckon most people in the business still want to "do the right thing" as much as possible.

Re:why the press don't generally report suicide (1)

sjames (1099) | about 5 months ago | (#46421669)

I thought they just used "Dirty Laundry" as their guidebook these days.

true but not applicable (1)

globaljustin (574257) | about 5 months ago | (#46421989)

WaPo stops short of outright *saying* she committed suicide, but that's certainly the conclusion they're leading their readers to.

There's a reason the press shies away from it. Mental health organizations have guidelines and recommendations on how to report responsibly on suicides.

wrong...this is probably a cover-up....**technically** you're right, in the sense that yes...indeed...details of a suicide or abuse situation that are irrelevant are often left out voluntarily by the reporter. Yes that happens...

the police report was **completely inconclusive** and give the context of the killing, namely the BTC armageddon, along with other factors leads to a rational suspicion of foul play

your point is not a counterpoint to GP...its obliquely related, and serves to inject uncertainty into the debate, but it is not a counter...

the WaPo article saying it was "suicide" is not trustworthy and neither is your line of thinking

Re:true but not applicable (2)

Your.Master (1088569) | about 5 months ago | (#46422407)

wrong...this is probably a cover-up

On what do you base that? People die all the time. Even rich people. Everything you've said leads to "possibly" foul play, not "probably" foul play.

the police report was **completely inconclusive**

"no suspicion of 'foul play'" is a conclusion.

the context of the killing, namely the BTC armageddon, along with other factors leads to a rational suspicion of foul play

That also leads to rational suspicious of suicide. Why would somebody attack this person, of all people, due to BTC armageddon?

Generally --

Yes, conspiracies sometimes happen
Most things that happen aren't a conspiracy, even if somebody somewhere would have a motivation
Things that are conspiracies aren't any more successful than things that aren't (in other words, as rare as conspiracies are, most of them fail and some even shoot themselves in the foot)
Somebody always has a motivation against a CEO

To make a convincing conspiracy play, you need to know:

Who would benefit from a coverup
How hard would a coverup be
Who has the resources to perform a coverup

Coverup is basically never a good first guess. Even when it is a coverup. Kind of like if you see a rich person spending money, "lottery winner" isn't a good first guess, even if you get lucky.

Re:Here's why they're calling it a suicide (2)

fermion (181285) | about 5 months ago | (#46421055)

No, they are doing for clicks. It is more irresponsibility from the like of fox news and other bottom feeders. Shame on them. I wish the family my best in their effort to get through this in the middle of all these horrible people who just want to profit off the tragedy.

Re:Here's why they're calling it a suicide (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46421755)

"from the like of fox news and other bottom feeders"

You dorks just give me a hoot every day it seems. Bottom feeders indeed. Chuckle chuckle chuckle

http://www.deadline.com/2014/01/fnc-extends-cable-news-ratings-winning-streak-in-january/

"Fox News Channel extended its cable news winning streak to 145 consecutive months with the release of January ratings. In overall audience fnc-cnn.JPGFNC outstripped CNN and MSNBC combined in prime and in total day; it also led in the news demo, though by smaller margins.

With total viewers, FNC landed in the Top-5 among all cable networks in total day, while CNN and MSNBC settled for No. 38 and No. 29, respectively, and HLN clocked in at No. 47. In prime, FNC finished January at No. 7, CNN at No. 40, MSNBC at No. 30, and HLN at No. 46."

The most watched news. But yea, let's go with 'bottom feeders'.

Re:Here's why they're calling it a suicide (2)

cream wobbly (1102689) | about 5 months ago | (#46421981)

Popular and sensationalist ("bottom feeders") are not mutually exclusive.

Re:Here's why they're calling it a suicide (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46422501)

Ummmm..... Yes? They are bottom feeders. Fox is fucking terrible.

Re:Here's why they're calling it a suicide (1)

cream wobbly (1102689) | about 5 months ago | (#46421933)

I suspect the reason why the Washington Post is saying it's a suicide is the same reason the British press reported David Kelly's death as a suicide.

I wouldn't have thought so before but this does now seem to be a concerted effort to discredit virtual currencies.

Re:Here's why they're calling it a suicide (1)

jythie (914043) | about 5 months ago | (#46422357)

That really seems like a significant stretch, or at minimal a significant persecution complex with an inflated sense of importance.

Re:Here's why they're calling it a suicide (1)

nbauman (624611) | about 5 months ago | (#46422637)

Looking more like suicide. Sad whatever it was.

http://thediplomat.com/2014/03... [thediplomat.com]

Channel NewsAsia said that police were called to Cantonment Close just after 7:00 am on February 26. Autumn Radtke, 28, was allegedly discovered lying motionless on a second-floor parapet – indicating the possibility that she jumped from a higher floor (though it is unclear what floor she lived on). Paramedics pronounced her dead at the scene and preliminary investigations turned up no evidence of foul play. Toxicology results are expected in the coming days.

but..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46419571)

but you do understand why I am suspicious anyway......right????

Re:but..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46421135)

Yes: you're part of the Slashdot groupthink, which includes seeing conspiracies anywhere you look.

Another bitcoin heist? (1)

Viol8 (599362) | about 5 months ago | (#46419583)

Did she know something we don't (yet)?

Re:Another bitcoin heist? (1)

barlevg (2111272) | about 5 months ago | (#46419615)

*If* she killed herself, it sounds like it was due to long-standing clinical depression rather than her "falling on her sword" or somesuch. But the truth is we don't know *what* happened, and everyone is just reporting on pure speculation.

Re:Another bitcoin heist? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46421891)

It's the Death Note. Haven't you read the news about several bankers dying all in a brief period of time recently? There is no other explanation.

Re:Another bitcoin heist? (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 5 months ago | (#46419849)

It might be nothing on it's own. But together with other stories, it sure feels like Bitcoin is unravelling.

Re:Another bitcoin heist? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46420895)

Why are you supporting the Republicans with your attempt to create controversy? We all know that is what they want. Why are you supporting that? Killing people shows they're getting desperate, and it proves that Bitcoin is a threat to the USD. All of these murders, more than anything else, is proof that Bitcoin is going to go up in value.

Re:Another bitcoin heist? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46421133)

Because only the Republicans can save the Republic!! Bring back my Religion Guns in Bible School!!! Damn communists.

Re:Another bitcoin heist? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46421837)

More likely it is the left that is trying to destroy bitcoin -- after all, the Federal Reserve, the organization that has led us down this horror, was created by a Democrat.

Re:Another bitcoin heist? (1)

cream wobbly (1102689) | about 5 months ago | (#46422015)

I think you can read his words as "it sure feels like Bitcoin is being unravelled". Boom boom.

Suicide #11 (2)

usacoder (816957) | about 5 months ago | (#46419593)

She's the eleventh person in the financial industry to commit suicide this year.

Re:Suicide #11 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46419669)

But she was the first really hot one, so this is doubleplusungood.

Re:Suicide #11 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46420679)

No, this is doubleplusBAD. It would be much better if only the ugly people killed themselves.

Re:Suicide #11 (1)

Pinky's Brain (1158667) | about 5 months ago | (#46420795)

You're bisexual?

Re:Suicide #11 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46419687)

Ah, a good start.

THIS time EVERYTHING is DIFFERENT! (1)

Thud457 (234763) | about 5 months ago | (#46419955)

What's the difference between 2008 and 1929?
Not enough bankers jumping from windows.

Re:THIS time EVERYTHING is DIFFERENT! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46420859)

What's the difference between 2008 and 1929?

Not enough bankers jumping from windows.

Which is an urban legend to begin with, a couple bankers commit suicide in the '29 crash and decades later ignorant people believe that they were raining from the sky by the dozens.

Re:THIS time EVERYTHING is DIFFERENT! (2)

Immerman (2627577) | about 5 months ago | (#46421295)

Why would the bankers jump from windows in 2008? They just managed to scalp the nation and get away with it. Except for those in Iceland where they ended up convicted of treason, apparently there are places where the justice system can work despite the wealth of the accused.

Re:THIS time EVERYTHING is DIFFERENT! (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 5 months ago | (#46421355)

in the early 1900's, we had deplorable work conditions, people rose up and demanded unions. we then got a 40 hour work week (mostly), benefits, pensions and someone to stand up for the worker.

fast forward to today: all of that is lost. ALL OF IT.

and there is no sign that people are willing to rise up like they did nearly a hundred years ago.

and US laws (and congress and the courts) continue to push down the worker and whittle his rights away bit by bit.

Re:THIS time EVERYTHING is DIFFERENT! (1)

cream wobbly (1102689) | about 5 months ago | (#46422043)

Instead, people tend nowadays to think of an uprising as the Rapture.

Re:Suicide #11 (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 5 months ago | (#46419729)

How does that compare to other years? Over the last 2 decades?

What do you mean this year? since January?

Re:Suicide #11 (1)

medv4380 (1604309) | about 5 months ago | (#46420321)

Suicide in the financial sector is common, but tends to fallow a pattern with economic issues. It's been up since about August, or October to present. It's unusual since it hasn't trended with any bank collapses, or stock market panic. Unless you count bitcoins.

Re:Suicide #11 (1)

Sarten-X (1102295) | about 5 months ago | (#46419737)

How's that rate compare to any other industry?

Frankly, it strikes me as incredibly low, given that there's about 100 suicides each day in the US alone... unless you're defining "person" in some particular way so as to include only cases that support your point, whatever it may be.

Re:Suicide #11 (1)

bobbied (2522392) | about 5 months ago | (#46419859)

She's the eleventh person in the financial industry to commit suicide this year.

OK, so bankers are throwing in the towel. So what about lawyers?

that you've heard of... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46421147)

There are probably dozens of others that haven't been reported.

So will the funeral be paid (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46419623)

in Bitcoins?

How long would it take (5, Interesting)

Overzeetop (214511) | about 5 months ago | (#46419625)

How long would it take to eliminate enough bitcoins to make the currency unworkable? If many people with large amounts of BC die without revealing the location and passwords to their cold-storage wallets, a shrinking pool of tradable bitcoins would eventually render it inefficient, yes? Or will BC simply be expanded in subdividion, leading to massive deflation over time (in bitcoin value - an oz of gold = 1BC today, but maybe it would only be worth 0.01BC in ten years, or 0.00001 in a hundred, due to a smaller pool of tradable coin)

Re:How long would it take (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46419823)

I thought 3D printers were going to topple the world order. Guess being able to make a fragile belt buckle over the weekend isn't quite the Civil War, is it?

Re:How long would it take (1)

bobbied (2522392) | about 5 months ago | (#46419917)

Ahh.. You have hit on the long term issue I had with BTC. I've read stories where people have lost their coins which will take them out of circulation, and the problem you talk about is further reason for coins to be lost.

One could argue that they would just issue new currency to miners like they do now, but that's a problem too.

Re:How long would it take (1)

JeffSh (71237) | about 5 months ago | (#46419981)

i don't think there's a mechanism for issuing new coin, isn't it hard set at the protocol, or do i misunderstand?

I too have this concern about BTC

Re:How long would it take (1)

bobbied (2522392) | about 5 months ago | (#46420191)

I'm pretty sure the number of issued BTC is just an agreed upon number that could be easily expanded. It would take a revision of the protocol to allow more, but as I understand this, we are talking about changing a defined value and worst case would be a recompile of everybody's software.

Re:How long would it take (4, Insightful)

medv4380 (1604309) | about 5 months ago | (#46420237)

It would require the protocol to be rewritten. If such a thing is ever done it will give undisputed proof the bit-coin is inflationary whenever it will benefit a majority of the miners.

Re:How long would it take (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | about 5 months ago | (#46419983)

I was under the impression that there was a nearly-finite (what a funny term) about of BC that could be generated based on the underlying math. You would have to isolate the BC which was lost, but unless there's a good, untrimmed chain and the hashes of the wallets of a lost BC owner, you might never know. Which is why its such a big deal to keep track of your BC. It was set up with the purpose of a limited supply to avoid the pitfalls of fiat currency.

Of course, then there's the dark side. By eliminating lots of high-value bitcoin owners who don't have plans for untimely demise, you might increase the value of your own bitcoin holdings by reducing the overall supply.

Re:How long would it take (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46420707)

It is fiat currency.

Re:How long would it take (2)

JoeMerchant (803320) | about 5 months ago | (#46420083)

The same could be said for gold - there's not really very much of it (on Earth), yet, even with billions of people to divide it amongst, it hasn't skyrocketed in value.

I think there's a theoretical minimum division of Bitcoin (the Satoshi?), and if you lose enough Bitcoins, then that minimum division could become a problem. If you can make the Satoshi smaller in future revisions, I'd say it wouldn't really affect the currency - "lost" coins are no different from ones sitting in a bank.

My top problem with ALL of the current crop of cryptocurrencies is the block chain - how in the hell will that ever scale to be able to process every transaction taking place in near-real time? Thousands an hour, I can see, but there are thousands of monetary transactions taking place every few minutes in a single shopping center. I'd hate to try to scale that up to what's happening in the western world, but if just the people in the U.S. do an average of one monetary transaction every 8 hours, that's over 10,000 transactions per second - average, during peak hours probably 10x that. And Bitcoin is a "global" currency...

Re:How long would it take (1)

RivenAleem (1590553) | about 5 months ago | (#46419953)

How do you know the BTC was destroyed in the hack? How do you know the BTC isn't sitting in someone's wallet?

Re:How long would it take (3, Informative)

Overzeetop (214511) | about 5 months ago | (#46421227)

It wasn't "destroyed" in the physical or electronic sense. However, if you were to lose your cold-storage wallet (and it ended up at the bottom of a landfill), or you were to die, with your wallet encryption password only in your head, those BTC would still exist but would never be available for trading. They may as well be destroyed, since they can never, ever re-enter circulation, baring someone unlocking the encryption (which BTC has been designed to prevent).

Re:How long would it take (1)

pak9rabid (1011935) | about 5 months ago | (#46420171)

I'd imagine if a large enough pool of bitcoins were for sure confirmed missing (not sure if that can even be tracked), the block difficulty would probably be lowered and miners would be awarded new bitcoins at a higher rate for solving more blocks, thus fixing the shortage problem.

Re:How long would it take (2)

gox (1595435) | about 5 months ago | (#46420233)

Actually, the unit of account called a Bitcoin is an arbitrary magnitude in unit value used in the network, and it is actually represented by the number 100000000. So, considering you currently have 12.5 * 10^14 units in circulation, even removing the overwhelming majority of units won't be enough. If push comes to shove, you can just update the protocol and add a variable integer coefficient.

Whether there will be massive deflation after stability, or whether there will be any stability remains to be seen, but until then, considering the huge volatility the current market endures (more than 10x price increase two years in a row), even removing half of the money supply overnight probably wouldn't make a huge difference. Besides, deflation depends on people wanting to hold the currency, and if shrinking money supply (or any other thing really) became a problem, I imagine people wouldn't want to hold it.

Re:How long would it take (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | about 5 months ago | (#46421291)

Yes, you have 12.5 x 10^14 potential minimal units in circulation, but 10^8 units go out with every "bitcoin" which is rendered inaccessible. Losing, say, 4x10^5 bitcoin (if Satoshi died with the passwords in his head) seems small, except that it represents 4x10^13 units in your 12.5x10^4 world. Still not entirely disruptive, but if several large holders were to lose access to their BTC hashes, it could materially reduce the currency circulation.

There is a certain, finite attrition of coins over time through common failures (like the guy who forgot his wallet was on a laptop, and it got thrown away). The problem may be on a time scale larger than the expected life of bitcoin, but it is an endgame few people have talked about.

Re:How long would it take (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46422243)

Someone posts this about once a week on the bitcoin forum.

Re:How long would it take (1)

gox (1595435) | about 5 months ago | (#46422971)

I agree with most of your analysis, but I think you are overlooking the fact that the number of lost coins per a constant time interval is likely to shrink with the money supply, assuming you aren't also shrinking the user base. You will likely see a percentage of the total money supply lost per year, and that will almost certainly get lower with better use of the technology.

it is an endgame few people have talked about.

The reason you don't see it come up very often is that it is not an endgame, but rest assured that it is being talked about at least since Bitcoin first appeared on Slashdot.

However, one problem could be the uncertainty caused by the amount of coins that stop moving, so I would agree that having an overwhelming majority of coins in "probably lost" status is not desirable.

NO (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46420911)

Bitcoins are infinitely (read: arbitrarily) divisible. Subdivision is neither inflation nor deflation.

Your comment is overrated.

Re:Perhaps (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | about 5 months ago | (#46421091)

Subdivision isn't, but elimination is. If we agree that all the BTC can purchase 100T of gold, and then we destroy half of the BTC, does that double the value of BTC? I t might, it might not. It's not pegged to a single standard, only what the market feels it is worth. It's run up has been predicated on a limited supply. What if that supply shrinks?

Why it's was being reported as suicide.... (1)

NecroPuppy (222648) | about 5 months ago | (#46419629)

Aside from lazy reporting, of course...

Is because there have been what conspiracy theoriests are calling an unusual number of banker (though they usually use bankster) suicides and mysterious deaths, since the start of the year.

So they're trying to make this death fit a pattern that may not actually exist.

Re:Why it's was being reported as suicide.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46419779)

That's no conspiracy. That's a promising new year.

Re:Why it's was being reported as suicide.... (-1, Flamebait)

iggymanz (596061) | about 5 months ago | (#46419809)

let's hope current events drive even more bankers of large banks to suicide or stressed induced cardiovascular failure, they're parasites on society who steal wealth, create wars, and put supposedly democratic governments in their pockets.

Re:Why it's was being reported as suicide.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46419833)

Wishing death on people reveals your sickness.

Re:Why it's was being reported as suicide.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46420001)

Bankers support death directly with the business of war. But they're your heroes I guess.

Re:Why it's was being reported as suicide.... (1)

AK Marc (707885) | about 5 months ago | (#46421553)

Everyone dies. He's just indicating priorities.

Re:Why it's was being reported as suicide.... (1)

kumanopuusan (698669) | about 5 months ago | (#46423133)

Wishing the banking industry on the world reveals your ignorance or malice.

Re:Why it's was being reported as suicide.... (1)

fulldecent (598482) | about 5 months ago | (#46420359)

I'll give you a hint, the reduced incidence of cardiovascular failure for people abusing power is the direct result of the reduced consequences of abuse

Re:Why it's was being reported as suicide.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46420531)

Yup, completely agree bartering goods is a better system. Who needs money, right?

The current situation has two sides people that insist living beyond their means; and bankers that enabled them.
It is easy to blame the "fat bankers" for creating the subprime fiasco, but the nobody forced anybody taking out those loans; the sad truth is that each and every one of us participated in one capacity or another.

False equivalence. Bankers have legal responsibili (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46420675)

False equivalence. Bankers have a legal and moral and societal responsibility to manage the money the control in responsible ways, subject to laws and regulation.That is supposed to be why they earn good, even outrageous salaries.

Thus they carry the lions share of the blame. Many people were misled or outright lied to and swindled by bankers. Far fewer individuals have the power or resources to pull something like that off.

With great power (and wealth) come great responsibility. Also far greater punishment/redress for wrongdoing.

But I'm sure you will carry on with your false equivalence, no doubt in the spirit of your cultural heroes like Inspector Javert. Death to the bread stealers!

Re:False equivalence. Bankers have legal responsib (0)

Amtrak (2430376) | about 5 months ago | (#46421495)

Bankers in the United States have a Legal responsibility to provide mortgages to low income families under the 1995 rewriting of the the Community Reinvestment Act, which put added pressure on banks to lend in low-income neighborhoods. This combined with Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac's underwriting of loans that otherwise wouldn't have ever been in a banks best interest is what caused the housing bubble. Don't get me wrong greed helped, but it was the government that caused the rules and regulations to encouraging this behavior.

So no banks don't have the lions share of the blame. The US government's crazy everyone must own a house even if they can't afford it policy is to blame. But go ahead believing everything you read on some liberal blog if that makes you happy just stay out of government.

Re:Why it's was being reported as suicide.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46421439)

let's hope current events drive even more bankers of large banks to suicide or stressed induced cardiovascular failure, they're parasites on society who steal wealth, create wars, and put supposedly democratic governments in their pockets.

Lawyers are parasites, twist language to justify war and tirelessly work to find new ways to subvert rights of the people...just sayin.

hollywood is calling...they want their drama back (1)

Connie_Lingus (317691) | about 5 months ago | (#46419701)

this stuff is beginning to read like a script...it has everything.

Suspicious Death of Shane Todd In Singapore (2, Interesting)

Kevoco (64263) | about 5 months ago | (#46419829)

"The Todd family's suspicions of foul play stemmed from various pieces of circumstantial evidence. For instance, they alleged that police had failed to properly investigate the scene of the crime, that the police neglected to dust for fingerprints, that the suicide notes ostensibly left by Dr Todd were out of character, that the crime scene did not match the description given by authorities, and that a pathologist in the United States found that his body showed evidence of a struggle, rather than a suicide."

Death of Shane Todd [wikipedia.org]

Justice 4 Shane Todd [justice4shanetodd.com]

Re:Suspicious Death of Shane Todd In Singapore (1)

Zontar_Thing_From_Ve (949321) | about 5 months ago | (#46421145)

I was waiting for someone to post that. However, I am going to offer another view on Todd's death. Todd made a lot of claims that he was being forced to work on a project that was willingly dangerous to US national security. An official inquest found that Todd committed suicide and the US embassy in Singapore called the inquest "comprehensive, fair and transparent". I'd like to suggest that things are what they seem - Todd had psychological issues and he killed himself. I get that his family cannot accept this, but that in and of itself does not mean it's not true.

I've been to Singapore several times and while I like it a lot, it's not for everybody. If you're not rich, it can be oppressively hot and humid ("normal" people there don't have central air conditioning - usually just ceiling fans) and some people aren't really able to deal with that very well. As a white person you will very visibly be a minority there and while that doesn't bother me in the slightest and I have never been mistreated, some people may have problems with that. Singapore is very Asian as it should be given its location and ethnic makeup. It's not like living in a slice of the USA near Malaysia. Also, knowing Singapore and how it works, I do find it unlikely that a Singapore business would willingly be working on a project of immense benefit to China and one that would put the US security interests at risk. I just don't see it. I know it's not what his family and friends want to hear, but it seems a lot more likely to me that he had serious mental problems and delusions of grandeur (ie. overinflating the value of his work) that led to him committing suicide than him being a victim of a plot against the US government.

Re:Suspicious Death of Shane Todd In Singapore (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46421445)

Westerners just love to go to countries like singapore and thailand only to jump of a balcony after getting married and singing everything over to some local woman.
There are even people who beat themselves to death. In the back of the head. After unsuccessfully trying to strangle themselves and slitting their own writs.
That sounds like suicide alright.

Meanwhile none of the countries want to admit that if you go to these countries you have a good chance of ending up committing suicide, since those countries are apparently extremely depressing.

Hope it's not a Black Tuesday Precursor (2)

medv4380 (1604309) | about 5 months ago | (#46419951)

The real story is that there have been an unusually high number of Banker, and Financial sector deaths. Ether suicides, or suspected suicides. This is the only one I know of that officially connected to bitcoin, but the nature of bitcoin hides it well enough that it would require an investigation to prove the others were into bitcoin as well. Which probably isn't even being looked into after their death. I hate bitcoins and 'coiners, but I hope this isn't a sign of Black Tuesday window jumping. I want bitcoin to be a lesson learned, and move on. Not a kill yourself so you can't warn the next group of just how stupid they're being.

Paying the ferryman (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46420065)

I wonder if Charon will take Bitcoins...

Now we know it's a real currency (1)

Cro Magnon (467622) | about 5 months ago | (#46420131)

Just like bankers in the Depression.

Suicide, hmmm? (1)

The_Human_Diversion (3564171) | about 5 months ago | (#46420145)

I'm sure she threw herself onto 9 or 10 bullets ... at the bottom of an elevator shaft ... while wearing a blindfold.

Cops said may be Suicide (1)

rcamans (252182) | about 5 months ago | (#46420373)

A Tulsa man was found with hands and feet tied, and was decapitated. The police called it suicide. So I do not know what these cops mean when they say suicide. Cops called Hillary Clinton's old lawyer boyfriend's death a suicide, when he died of a gunshot wound with no gun found.

Re:Cops said may be Suicide (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | about 5 months ago | (#46420601)

Cops called Hillary Clinton's old lawyer boyfriend's death a suicide, when he died of a gunshot wound with no gun found.

Web Hubble died in prison. Vince Foster wouldn't have touched Hillary with a stolen dick, same as Bill. They did find a gun.

and we care because? (1, Interesting)

Gothmolly (148874) | about 5 months ago | (#46420669)

Some Millenial expat dot-com dbag offed herself?

Keep in mind (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | about 5 months ago | (#46421067)

People can die suddenly and randomly of natural causes; even famous people.

Fiction may abhor a coincidence, but real life loves them.

Funny thing about First Meta Exchange (1)

SpankiMonki (3493987) | about 5 months ago | (#46421757)

First Meta Exchange [firstmetaexchange.com] (where CEO Autumn Radtke worked) only allows bitcoin to be used for purchases of the other virtual currencies they trade. BTC purchases of IMVU Credits, Lindens, Nuvo Notes, Toricredits and Friends Hangout Tokens are actually handled through bitpay. [bitpay.com]

In other words, First Meta Exchange wasn't really a "bitcoin exchange". Of course, if the headline read "Police Say No Foul Play In Death of Torricredits Exchange CEO Autumn Radtke", few would've clicked.

BULL (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46422075)

There have been over 20 bankers around the world in recent months that "comitted suicide". I don't buy it, especially a pretty 28 year old CEO with everything to live for.

There are only three situations that match these events.

1. Either it's just coincidence that so many in high level banking industry positions are killing theselves just because they are depressed over other events in their life. (I don't buy that).

2. They all realize something is about to happen that is so bad, that the better option is to kill themselves.

3. They know something so bad, and so important that somebody thinks they should be silenced.

I already know the answer; the economy is collapsing (by design) and the power players (aka the New World Order) are trying to establish a one world fascist government, and a one world money system, with just a select few in charge of it all.

Re:BULL (1)

jythie (914043) | about 5 months ago | (#46422747)

No. Depression is not rational, it is a mental illness. You can have a wonderful life and a full future and it can still kill you.

Hardly a surprise (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46422263)

This is what happens when you get at the intersection of human life, drugs, dirty money, and crime. Terrible people involved in terrible things with their lives ending in terrible ways.

Bitcoins only ever existed as a tool to facilitate crime, and it's unsurprising that human misery will be forever associated with it.

Stay classy slashdot.... (1)

jythie (914043) | about 5 months ago | (#46422721)

Someone is dead, likely from suicide stemming from clinical depression.

This really is not the best place to inject all the politics and conspiracy theories.
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