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Youtube and Facebook May Be Banned In Turkey, Again

Unknown Lamer posted about 8 months ago | from the cat-videos-considered-subversive dept.

Censorship 57

Taco Cowboy writes "Istanbul (dpa) — Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan is considering banning YouTube and Facebook after local elections at the end of this month, according to remarks carried by local media Friday. It may, or may not be related to the criticisms arising from (not-yet verified) leaked recordings of Mr. Erdogan's involvement with corruption. 'We will not let YouTube and Facebook destroy our nation. We will take measures, including closure,' said Erdogan, who has previously made comments against social media sites. YouTube had been banned in the country for two years and was recently unblocked."

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weapons of mass destruction (1)

invictusvoyd (3546069) | about 8 months ago | (#46427551)

We will not let YouTube and Facebook destroy our nation

Ha ha ha

Re:weapons of mass destruction (3)

skovnymfe (1671822) | about 8 months ago | (#46427573)

Weapons of Mass Media you mean.

And when do these ignorant dumbasses learn that being afraid of mass media just makes them look even more ignorant and backwards?

Re:weapons of mass destruction (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46427611)

No . I think he meant weapons of mass destruction.

Re:weapons of mass destruction (4, Funny)

SpankiMonki (3493987) | about 8 months ago | (#46427637)

Weapons of Mass Media you mean.

And when do these ignorant dumbasses learn that being afraid of mass media just makes them look even more ignorant and backwards?

I know, right? Don't those Turkish government idiots realize that they can use mass media to distract, polarize and confuse their citizens? What a bunch of maroons.

Re:weapons of mass destruction (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46427773)

Weapons of Mass Media you mean.

And when do these ignorant dumbasses learn that being afraid of mass media just makes them look even more ignorant and backwards?

I know, right? Don't those Turkish government idiots realize that they can use mass media to distract, polarize and confuse their citizens? What a bunch of maroons.

That's what a typical Liberal would say.

Re:weapons of mass destruction (2)

plopez (54068) | about 8 months ago | (#46427935)

A Conservative would say something like "properly market and manage the Turkish(tm) brand to maximize efficiencies"

Re:weapons of mass destruction (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46432229)

That's a liberal speaking here in Europe. Or a travel agent.

To the mod (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46427987)

Weapons of Mass Media you mean.

And when do these ignorant dumbasses learn that being afraid of mass media just makes them look even more ignorant and backwards?

I know, right? Don't those Turkish government idiots realize that they can use mass media to distract, polarize and confuse their citizens? What a bunch of maroons.

That's what a typical Liberal would say.

***WHOOSH*** at Mach 4!

Erdogan siktir git! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46427815)

n.t.

Re:weapons of mass destruction (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46429657)

You mean Weapons of Mass Distraction?

Re:weapons of mass destruction (4, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 8 months ago | (#46427603)

We will not let YouTube and Facebook destroy our nation

Ha ha ha

By "Ha ha ha" do you mean "If your nation can be destroyed by YouTube and Facebook, your nation is fairly described as pathetic?" Because if so, I agree completely.

Re:weapons of mass destruction (1)

invictusvoyd (3546069) | about 8 months ago | (#46427635)

Not at all .. It's really amusing to see some politician make such a fuss about youtube .. and facehook!! .. AFAIK they cant destroy a chicken .. together ..

Re:weapons of mass destruction (5, Interesting)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about 8 months ago | (#46429317)

If you are a political leader and are afraid of Facebook and Youtube, then you are afraid of your own people. In the case of Erdogan, he is just another Muslim Brotherhood goon trying to tighten the screws on society to slowly squeeze Turkey into becoming an Islamic Republic. His first move to achieve this was jailing thousands of officers in the Turkish military, who were schooled in the thoughts of Kemal Atatürk, the "Father of the Turks".

As a brief description of what Kemal Atatürk was all about, I'll just lift this from Wikipedia:

His military campaigns led to victory in the Turkish War of Independence. Atatürk then embarked upon a program of political, economic, and cultural reforms, seeking to transform the former Ottoman Empire into a modern, secular, and democratic nation-state. Under his leadership, thousands of new schools were built, primary education was made free and compulsory, and women were given equal civil and political rights, while the burden of taxation on peasants was reduced.[3] The principles of Atatürk's reforms, upon which modern Turkey was established, are referred to as Kemalism.

Not bad, considering that this was in the late 1920's! He even introduced a new Latin based alphabet, that replaced the old Arabic script! Can you image a political leader today, who would have the balls and the support to just say, "Oh, let's just switch our alphabet."

The strategy of Muslim Brotherhood cretins, is to get elected claiming to be "moderately Islamic", without showing their true intentions. Then they use the courts to jail any political opposition and then slowly implement restrictions on society to transform it into an Islamic state. With the army now out of his way, there are only a few brave folks left who stage protests. When his corruption was exposed, he thought that he was far enough down the Islamic path that he can just act like a caliph now.

It would really be a sad loss for humanity, if all those enlightened thoughts of Atatürk get stomped into the ground, and Turkey is forced into the shackles of Islam in their place.

Re:weapons of mass destruction (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46431065)

A good deal of blame for the re-islamization of Turkey falls on Europe. It was they who insisted that the army loosens its grip on power, forgetting that in Turkey, the army plays a very different role than it otherwise does. Whereas in Eastern Europe, the traditional role of the army was to suppress anti-Communist thought, in Turkey, the army had a role of enforcing Kemalism and seeing to it that Islam, which was a part of the reason for the downfall of the Ottoman empire, didn't make a comeback into Turkish political life.

Instead, the EU made the same assumptions about Turkey that it did the last 4 years about the Arab empire, and thought that once these countries became democratic, they'd all become new Switzerlands. So they forced Turkey, which was anxious to be a part of the EU, to loosen the grip of its military on the country. Ironically, the result of that has been that the Turkish government that people then elected is less interested in integrating with Europe, and more interested in rediscovering its Ottoman and Seljuk pasts, and recreating links with Turkic countries like Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, et al as well as its Islamic friends like Saudi Arabia and Egypt. They've been @ the forefront of supporting the Sunni insurrection in Syria, and are now more interested in regaining their status as the head of the Islamic empire - something that they had under the Ottomans.

So good work, Europe, in handing over a country that was doing fine ever since it started de-islamizing, back to the thongs of islam. Osman & Suleiman must be laughing in their graves.

Re:weapons of mass destruction (1)

seyyah (986027) | about 8 months ago | (#46432373)

I'm afraid you've drunk the Atatürk kool-aid. It wasn't pretty. There was no equality in the Turkish republic (look at the Kurds, Greeks, Armenians, Jews and yes, even the women). It wasn't a democracy. And changing the alphabet just meant that future generations were condemned to a life without any concept of their history, the good or the bad. The republic was founded on the principle of deportations, massacres and forced assimilation.

It would really be a sad loss for humanity, if all those enlightened thoughts of Atatürk get stomped into the ground, and Turkey is forced into the shackles of Islam in their place.

It'd be a boon to humanity if the thoughts of Atatürk were finally let go: the authoritarianism, the fanatical nationalism, the militarism and so on. The only sad bit were if the modern conservative Islam of the AKP were to be what replaces it.

Re:weapons of mass destruction (1)

cold fjord (826450) | about 8 months ago | (#46429389)

By "Ha ha ha" do you mean "If your nation can be destroyed by YouTube and Facebook, your nation is fairly described as pathetic?" Because if so, I agree completely.

It is not the technology of streaming video and pictures on the internet that they fear so much as what they bear: Ideas. Ideas are the pebble that begin the avalanche of action. The has brought change to many nations, including some that no longer exist, for good or ill.

Who names their country (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46427559)

Turkey?

Re:Who names their country (1)

Viol8 (599362) | about 8 months ago | (#46427569)

Don't know - but you're a chicken to ask that as A/C

Re:Who names their country (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46427649)

Some of us oldtimers have never registered a username on this website. You may have the narcissistic need to make a name for yourself. Others don't.

Re:Who names their country (1)

Viol8 (599362) | about 8 months ago | (#46427779)

It was a joke you bloody halfwit - turkey / chicken , get it? Hello?

Oldtimer and senile it would seem.

Re:Who names their country (1)

Cimexus (1355033) | about 8 months ago | (#46430743)

I don't think it's much to do with narcissism. Since AC posts at 0, you're limiting your audience severely by posting as AC. Even a good comment won't be seen by most (since the default threshold for non-signed-in users is +1 and most registered users probably browse at +1 or +2...)

Is it narcissistic to actually want your post to be seen? I mean, why even comment if no one will see it and/or respond?

Re:Who names their country (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 8 months ago | (#46428213)

apply a/c to a chicken doesn't help. if you want to cook it, you want heat, not a/c.

Re:Who names their country (2)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | about 8 months ago | (#46427655)

The bird took its name from the country.

Re:Who names their country (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46428051)

WHich came first the bird or the Ottaman Empire's fall? Did you know the late Ben Franklin was to have the turkey as the national symbol instead of the bald eagke. Fortunately for Thanksgiving day feasts this did not happen.

Re:Who names their country (1)

Algae_94 (2017070) | about 8 months ago | (#46429701)

Sounds like you answered your own question as Benjamin Franklin was no longer among the living when the Ottoman Empire fell. There were clearly turkeys around in his life.

Re:Who names their country (1)

Dishwasha (125561) | about 8 months ago | (#46428181)

Apparently they should have been named "Ostrich" since they have a preference to bury their heads in the sand.

Re:Who names their country (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about 8 months ago | (#46431085)

I'm sure that in Turkish, 'Turkei' doesn't mean the bird

He was Titanic (1)

Delifisek (190943) | about 8 months ago | (#46427579)

And does not know goes against Iceberg.

Turkey doing its bit for future EU integration (2)

Viol8 (599362) | about 8 months ago | (#46427589)

Not.

Mind you - given the EU machinery in brussels is operated partially by an unelected commision perhaps the turkish governments undemocratic and authoritarian approach is smarter than it first appears.

Re:Turkey doing its bit for future EU integration (2)

ericloewe (2129490) | about 8 months ago | (#46427929)

Indirectly elected != unelected.

Technically, the president of the United States isn't elected either, he's chosen by a bunch of people chosen to elect him.

Re:Turkey doing its bit for future EU integration (2)

KingMotley (944240) | about 8 months ago | (#46428279)

He is elected, just not directly by the public at large.

Re:Turkey doing its bit for future EU integration (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46429715)

he's chosen by a bunch of people chosen to elect him.

Sounds like an election.

worked for NSA, right? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46427593)

we all know exposing the crimes of government is FAR worse than COMMITTING them!

Nope. (1)

Qbertino (265505) | about 8 months ago | (#46427651)

News says Turkish President may well just tell Prime Erdogan to go f*ck himself. Parliament would probably too. That's what I'd hope for anyway.

FB and YT should ban Turkey. (1)

mtthwbrnd (1608651) | about 8 months ago | (#46427673)

Show 'em 'oooze da boz.

Great (2)

snookiex (1814614) | about 8 months ago | (#46427691)

I hope Turkish FB and YT users use this time to read a book.

In related news... (3, Funny)

lfourrier (209630) | about 8 months ago | (#46427777)

Turkish productivity up 15 % in a few weeks

In related new... (1)

aralin (107264) | about 8 months ago | (#46427941)

... the productivity in Turkey went up by 237%

It's about his ass (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46427955)

It's not about FB or YT or Turkey. Idiot Erdogan thinks he can block new corruption tapes and save his ass.

They need to get Chinese help (1)

plopez (54068) | about 8 months ago | (#46427971)

And build their own great wall. Cisco, IBM, and a host of other companies would be more than happy to help.

The question (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46427995)

What do they stand to lose?
I can't think of many useful things right now...

YouTube and Facebook destroy our nation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46428211)

Quite amusing that a country can be killed by a couple of time wasting web sites.

Perhaps what Erdogan means by "our nation" is "my hands on the kitty"?

Perhaps he also means that he's too dumb to use social and other media to effectively manipulate public opinion and get elected? I mean, the guy represents a conservative, religious party so presumably his world view is stuck in the 1500s with an intellect to match.

When you think YouTube and Facebook... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46428347)

When you think YouTube and Facebook are destroying your nation, look around, maybe YOU are the one destroying the nation.

He's about half right . . . (1)

Kimomaru (2579489) | about 8 months ago | (#46428463)

I love youtube, so that part makes me sad. But Facebook needs to be banned everywhere, period. There was a time when America's Titans of Industry were people like John D Rockefeller, Henry Ford, Andrew Carnegie - people who changed the world with things that sheltered us, improved transportation, and fed and powered the nation. Now our magnates are people who help us post selfies and sell its users as a statistic in advertising. Pathetic.

Re: He's about half right . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46431617)

Henry Ford was in bed with the Third Reich

How can we get them banned here? (kidding) (1)

uCallHimDrJ0NES (2546640) | about 8 months ago | (#46428699)

YouTube streaming quality is terrible, and has created a world where no one thinks they need to host their own media servers ever. Facebook reduces all conversation to banality and creates dangerous delusions in its users. If only these were the reasons the Turks banned these sites.

Re:How can we get them banned here? (kidding) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46428757)

I predict that Turkey will move up in rank in all educational areas. Good for them!

Re:How can we get them banned here? (kidding) (1)

invictusvoyd (3546069) | about 8 months ago | (#46428809)

I agree. YT streaming kinda sucks . But there's some content there (documentaries and old shows ) which are hard to find anywhere .Even on torrent .
Try youtube-dl .

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Destroy Their Nation? (1)

Jason Levine (196982) | about 8 months ago | (#46428989)

I'm not a fan of Facebook by any stretch of the imagination. (I still refuse to open an account despite many people I know being on there.) However, if your entire nation can be "destroyed" by Facebook, then perhaps your nation isn't as stable as you think it is and maybe there are deeper issues than people sharing selfies so their friends can "like" them.

Par for the course for Muslim countries (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46430413)

Islam seems to be intrinsically inimical to the concept of freedom of speech and thought. Good luck with your EU application, Turkey.

Re:Par for the course for Muslim countries (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46431105)

Under Erdogan, they've lost interest. These days, they are much happier trying to regain their lost leadership of the Islamic world. And the Saudis, afraid of Iran, may not stop them this time.

Bad loser (1)

tsa (15680) | about 8 months ago | (#46430817)

Mr. Erdogan is a bad loser. Banning social media is just a childish gut reaction to a non-issue if you ask me. If he had just ignored it people would probably have forgotten about it already.

Re:Bad loser (1)

tqk (413719) | about 8 months ago | (#46432011)

If he had just ignored it people would probably have forgotten about it already.

Ah, geez man! You gave away the secret! Why're you helping Erdogan?!? Why do you hate the Turkish people?!?

Re:Bad loser (1)

tsa (15680) | about 8 months ago | (#46432895)

Oops. Let's just hope Erdogan doesn't read /....

U like it better... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46432937)

On "INVISO-POWER"...

Turkey is that feeble and puny? Really, T.E.? (1)

eric_harris_76 (861235) | about 8 months ago | (#46435497)

If a country can be destroyed by exposure to videos and social media, it's a pretty damn weak, fragile place.

That's probably not what he wants as the subtext, but there it is.

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