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How Tutankhamun's DNA Became a Battleground

timothy posted about 9 months ago | from the mark-fuhrman-as-a-consultant dept.

Science 89

First time accepted submitter superboj writes "Everyone wants a piece of Egypt's most famous pharaoh, including the media, the Muslim Brotherhood and even the Mormon church. But while scientists have been trying to excavate his DNA and prove who he was — Egypt's turbulent politics have been making progress hard. Will experts be able to make a major discovery? And what happens if they do?"

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Here's what I want to know... (5, Funny)

Marginal Coward (3557951) | about 9 months ago | (#46433221)

Is he - or is he not - related to Steve Martin?

Re:Here's what I want to know... (2)

meerling (1487879) | about 9 months ago | (#46433319)

It's been over 3000 years, so there's a chance there are a lot of people related to him, though not direct descendants as there seems to be little chance of him having had kids.

Re:Here's what I want to know... (2)

peragrin (659227) | about 9 months ago | (#46433911)

Let's died at 19 ascended to the throne at age 10. married his sister.

Let's say starting around age 17 he slept with a different woman every week(like Bieber). That is a possible 100 different kids that go unacknowledged.

Of course officially he had two kids that were stillborn. born of incest, and married to your sister will do that.

So he had anywhere from 0-100 kids.

Re:Here's what I want to know... (1)

bjwest (14070) | about 9 months ago | (#46436547)

Why do you have him waiting until he was 17? This is way before the stigma against sex that came with the invention of a single god. I'd say he was active and able to father children around 13 or so. Being, at the time, the most powerful figure on the planet and in his sexual prime, he most likely had sex more than once a week from puberty on.

Re:Here's what I want to know... (1)

gzuckier (1155781) | about 9 months ago | (#46440547)

The whole point of that incestuous marriages thing that was prevalent among the pharaohs was to keep the holy royal ancestry from spreading out of the family. Keep the family tree pruned to one branch, as it were. So he'd be much less likely to have a jillion modern descendants than the average Egyptian of his period.

Re:Here's what I want to know... (2)

robbiedo (553308) | about 9 months ago | (#46433379)

How did he get so funky?

Re:Here's what I want to know... (2)

Marginal Coward (3557951) | about 9 months ago | (#46434077)

Glad somebody here is old enough to get my joke [youtube.com] .

And what happens if they do? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46433229)

We'll get to read another boring slashD0t article about it!

U Like it better (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46433235)

On "INVISO-POWER"...

Why does everyone want a piece of him? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46433259)

His name rhymes with BUTT!

Re:Why does everyone want a piece of him? (1)

gzuckier (1155781) | about 9 months ago | (#46440557)

Um tut sut (OK we've had two oblique references, let's see if anybody can grasp this one)

tl;dr (3, Insightful)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | about 9 months ago | (#46433375)

Mitt Romney shares Goa'uld DNA with ancient Pharaoh.

Re:tl;dr (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46433691)

This is why I still come to Slashdot. Short and concise analysis of any given topic, which can then be used to start a conversation.

However, technically, wouldn't that be Jaffa DNA?

Re:tl;dr (1)

dougisfunny (1200171) | about 9 months ago | (#46434397)

Jaffa were genetically altered humans made to have pouches to incubate baby Goa'uld. Straight up humans are required to actually 'host' a Goa'uld, and human babies born to Goa'uld hosts share some of the genetic memory of the Goa'uld parents if the implication was that Mitt Romney was evil due to sharing the Goa'uld DNA, then no it wouldn't be Jaffa.

Re:tl;dr (1)

gzuckier (1155781) | about 9 months ago | (#46440565)

That's why I come to Slashdot. I didn't know that stuff and it clears up a lot of my unanswered questions. At last I can sleep nights.

Re:tl;dr (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46434377)

Really, why don't you give the guy a break and stop this stupid character assassination? FFS, Mitt Romney was elected governor of that den of right wing extremism called "Massachusetts".

Re:tl;dr (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46436051)

So were Republicans Bill Weld, Paul Celucci and Jane Swift. Your point? MA is not a left-wing state, its a centrist state. The rest of the country seems to be electing extremist loons who don't represent the interests of their citizens.

Re:tl;dr (1)

gzuckier (1155781) | about 9 months ago | (#46440573)

Yes, what does the cradle of the American Revolution know about true Americanism?

slashdot beta? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46433385)

Here's a feature for /. beta: ability to block shit websites like medium.com and every article that links to that shit.

interesting story, shit website (5, Interesting)

The Grim Reefer (1162755) | about 9 months ago | (#46433413)

It's interesting how "important" this pharaoh is. He died really young. Realistically, his greatest historical accomplishment was simply not having his tomb raided by treasure hunters.

It's amazing how much bullshit is happening around this corpse. The Mormons want to identify if it was one of their ancient ancestors so they can posthumously baptize him. There's some kind of fear that he may have been a Jewish ancestor. Which would somehow make Egypt part of Israel. Then the geneticists are arguing over the validity of DNA testing of mummies. And the most bizarre thing is from some fuzzy screen captue of a computer monitor that was filmed in one of the Discovery channel documentaries. Since they won't release the data, some group is claiming that the screen capture proves that king Tut was actually Caucasian. Which has some Aryan group in a frenzy. And now with the mess in Egypt, further studies have been put on hole. It's like a bad 3000 year old joke.

Re:interesting story, shit website (5, Informative)

pollarda (632730) | about 9 months ago | (#46433511)

FYI: The "Mormon Church" as you describe it is actually a team at BYU that specializes in genetic identification of family relationships. One of their geneticists is one of the top in the country and to date, they have identified a number of unknown mummies who have been floating around various museums. They have also built a genetic family tree. There is all sorts of things one can learn about ancient Egypt this way. (For example, just because historical records say that two people are related, it doesn't mean they are genetically.) The BYU team has no interest in it from a religious perspective. King Tut wouldn't provide any additional "religious" information than the other 30+ mummies they have already worked with. They are very interested in it from a scientific perspective which is another way of saying that they are curious as all scientists should be.

Re:interesting story, shit website (2, Informative)

denzacar (181829) | about 9 months ago | (#46433765)

The BYU team has no interest in it from a religious perspective.

So... Are you saying that they are NOT Mormons or are you questioning their faith and calling them bad Mormons?
Being that BYU stands for Brigham Young University which is owned and operated by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

It is owned and operated by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), and, excluding online students, is the largest religious university and one of the largest private universities in the U.S., with 34,000 on-campus students.[8][9][10]

Approximately 98% of the university's 34,000 students are members of the LDS Church, and one-third of its American students come from within the state of Utah.[11] BYU students are required to follow an honor code, which mandates behavior in line with LDS teachings (e.g., academic honesty, adherence to dress and grooming standards, and abstinence from extramarital sex and from the consumption of drugs and alcohol).[12] Many students (78% of men, 10% of women) take a two-year hiatus from their studies at some point to serve as Mormon missionaries.[13][14]

And being that it is first and foremost a religious institution.

BYU is thus considered by its leaders to be at heart a religious institution, wherein, ideally, religious and secular education are interwoven in a way that encourages the highest standards in both areas.[141] This weaving of the secular and the religious aspects of a religious university goes back as far as Brigham Young himself, who told Karl G. Maeser when the Church purchased the school: "I want you to remember that you ought not to teach even the alphabet or the multiplication tables without the Spirit of God."[142]

Tut tut tissue (1)

gd2shoe (747932) | about 9 months ago | (#46433845)

The implication that proxy work is being done for these individuals is unfounded. If they were to do so for the ancient pharaohs, they certainly wouldn't need a tissue sample! That's just ridiculous. No, BYU is studying the genetics, fair and square.

You don't get how it works... (2, Informative)

denzacar (181829) | about 9 months ago | (#46433909)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G... [wikipedia.org]

Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe that tracing family lineage is essential for special religious ceremonies that seal family units together for eternity. According to Mormons, this fulfills a Biblical prophecy stating that the prophet Elijah would return to "turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers."[2]

They are actively fulfilling a Biblical prophecy ONLY by determining genealogical lineage AND then baptizing the dead.
Simply baptizing them just makes them Mormon. In the minds of the LDS followers.

Only the genealogically backed baptism, fulfills the prophecy of The Second ComingTM.
Kinda like those Texans and Israelis who are breeding red heifers in order to bring about the end of the world.

That's right! Both these groups are jerking off to the idea of Armageddon!
And yet nobody is rounding them up into prisons and concentration camps under suspicion of conspiracy to kill everyone on the planet!
I know! Insane!

Re:You don't get how it works... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46434039)

Technically, the Mormons are just Armageddon preppers.

They aren't trying to bring about Armageddon, just being prepared for it when it happens, they just seem to think that it will be 'soon' since that is what the Bible says. Then again, since the Universe was created in 'six days' I'm not really sure what would constitute 'soon'.

Re:You don't get how it works... (2)

gd2shoe (747932) | about 9 months ago | (#46435309)

And we're not sure either! ;-)

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." - Matt 24:36-37, reaffirmed in D&C 49:7

But since it could be just about any time, there's no sense in being caught unprepared. As the saying goes, a broken clock is right twice a day. (not strictly true, but whatever) We'll be right eventually. Until then, people can just chalk it up to eccentricity.

Re:You don't get how it works... (1)

oscrivellodds (1124383) | about 9 months ago | (#46434047)

"That's right! Both these groups are jerking off to the idea of Armageddon!
And yet nobody is rounding them up into prisons and concentration camps under suspicion of conspiracy to kill everyone on the planet!
I know! Insane!"

They are left alone because they are harmless nuts. When they cease to be harmless they will be dealt with.

Re:You don't get how it works... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46434353)

Wow! Maybe someday you will slow down and listen and learn something different from what you currently believe.

Re:You don't get how it works... (1)

gd2shoe (747932) | about 9 months ago | (#46435249)

I dunno, harmless nut is an upgrade from what most angry people call us. I'll take it.

Re: You don't get how it works... (1)

astar (203020) | about 9 months ago | (#46441565)

I enjoy the Mormons and i enjoyed Ender's Game. Oh. If I am inclined I can enjoy being more poly the thou. And I admire the author of Ender's game. Yah.

Let us think for a bit. I think a bit of good sense is to be as nice to your OTHER as you can afford to be. Then your OTHER can maybe do something similar without worrying so much about being "dealt with".

Re: You don't get how it works... (2)

gd2shoe (747932) | about 9 months ago | (#46446103)

I think I am lacking context. I cannot tell if your post is profound, sarcastic, inane, or "pun-ny".

To give context back, one of the central tenets of our faith is given in AoF 1:11 - "We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may."

Thus, if someone is wholly opposed to my belief system, yet they still consider me a harmless nut, they will be capable of honoring my agency to choose how I worship. It is a minimum state that permits inter-faith (and intercultural) cooperation.

This does not preclude calm, rational (preferably friendly) religious discussion (and even very sensitive debate), but it does absolutely require respect.

(Addendum: "Bible bashing" does not show respect, and is a really bad idea. The devil can quote scripture - Matt 4:6. Even if what is said is true, he enjoys conflict. Any two godly people who disagree should be able to do so with civility. The Internet makes that a bit harder because any disagreement is often read in an angry voice, even if the writer didn't so intend.)

Re: You don't get how it works... (1)

astar (203020) | about 9 months ago | (#46448685)

Pooh. I was being fairly serious but a little too cryptic I suppose. I get tired of people running warfare using shills and trolls so everyone can know that my neighbor is more terrible that I am. The last straw was the "taken care of" threat in a parent.

Looking harmless can be safe. Being the most terrible around can be safe. We have not decided which works better.

Re: You don't get how it works... (1)

gd2shoe (747932) | about 9 months ago | (#46450659)

Oscrivellodds was trying to moderate the position of Denzacar by stages. Denzacar, on the other hand, seemed ridiculous, and I can't be sure just how serious he was trying to be*. I'm not worried so much about Oscrivellodds' post, as he was actively trying to move the conversation toward moderation and tolerance (or at least, live and let live). Even if he was being facetious, Denzacar's was a more dangerous post, as it contains actively wrong information, probably heard across some other church's pulpit, if I were to take a guess.

*("And yet nobody is rounding them up into prisons and concentration camps under suspicion of conspiracy to kill everyone on the planet!" - the over use of exclamation marks in the vicinity is telling, probably of sarcasm, but not necessarily)

Re: You don't get how it works... (1)

astar (203020) | about 9 months ago | (#46451019)

You seem a little too sane to be walking thru ./
And I confess I have not trained recently on your skill set. Bye for now.

Re:You don't get how it works... (1)

budgenator (254554) | about 9 months ago | (#46435205)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G... [wikipedia.org]

That's right! Both these groups are jerking off to the idea of Armageddon!
And yet nobody is rounding them up into prisons and concentration camps under suspicion of conspiracy to kill everyone on the planet!
I know! Insane!

The Mormons are getting ready for an event prophesied to occur at an undetermined and unknowable future time, unlike the Iranians who are actively working to Implement it.

Re:You don't get how it works... (2)

gd2shoe (747932) | about 9 months ago | (#46435229)

They are actively fulfilling a Biblical prophecy ONLY by determining genealogical lineage AND then baptizing the dead. Simply baptizing them just makes them Mormon. In the minds of the LDS followers.

No, no, no, no, no.

http://mormon.org/faq/proxy-baptisms
Jesus Christ taught that baptism is essential to the salvation of all who have lived on earth (see John3:5). Many people, however, have died without being baptized. Others were baptized without proper authority. Because God is merciful, He has prepared a way for all people to receive the blessings of baptism. By performing proxy baptisms in behalf of those who have died, Church members offer these blessings to deceased ancestors. These individuals in the next life can then choose to accept or decline what has been done in their behalf.

You're missing a very, very key element here. Nobody is making anybody else Mormon. That would violate agency. Baptism is a covenant, like a contract. It is a two sided promise. It is valid if, and only if the deceased accepts it. Thus, they are NOT recorded as becoming Mormon, but as having had the saving ordinances performed on their behalf. It is up to them to decide whether the ordinance is valid or not.

This misunderstanding has lead to a lot of unnecessary anger (and heated rhetoric) over the years. Please don't perpetuate it.

Further, it is widely accepted that there will be a thousand years of peace, called the millennium after the return of Christ during which angelic messengers will facilitate cleaning up records that are inaccurate, or no longer exist on behalf of those who still want ordinances performed. The reason to not wait stems from the desire not to make those who are eagerly awaiting the work wait any longer.

For more information on the motivation for Temple proxy work, see:D&C 137 [lds.org] . (Note that the Biblical term "prison" is understood as a spiritual state regarding sin, and not a literal one, that baptism facilitates freedom from.)

Re:You don't get how it works... (1)

gd2shoe (747932) | about 9 months ago | (#46435239)

Oops, D&C 138, the link is correct, the reference is not.

Re:You don't get how it works... (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about 9 months ago | (#46435279)

I think his point was, they don't need a tissue sample to do the ceremony. If their goal was ceremony, they already would have done it (as they have with George Washington [josephsmithacademy.org] ). So therefore it is reasonable to conclude they have a different goal for the tissue sample.

Re:You don't get how it works... (1)

gzuckier (1155781) | about 9 months ago | (#46440593)

They are actively fulfilling a Biblical prophecy ONLY by determining genealogical lineage AND then baptizing the dead.
Simply baptizing them just makes them Mormon. In the minds of the LDS followers.

Only the genealogically backed baptism, fulfills the prophecy of The Second ComingTM.
Kinda like those Texans and Israelis who are breeding red heifers in order to bring about the end of the world.

That's right! Both these groups are jerking off to the idea of Armageddon!

Like the rightwingers who want Obama to declare war on Russia to save Crimea from the hands of the no-longer Communists!

Re: Tut tut tissue (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46434813)

I admire your diplomacy. I wouldn't have said the claim was unfounded. I would have said the claim is asinine.

Re:interesting story, shit website (2)

stenvar (2789879) | about 9 months ago | (#46434389)

So... Are you saying that they are NOT Mormons or are you questioning their faith and calling them bad Mormons?
Being that BYU stands for Brigham Young University which is owned and operated by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

And yet, it's an accredited institution of higher learning in which scientists work and publish scientific papers unrelated to their religion. Imagine that.

And being that it is first and foremost a religious institution.

You can say the same thing about some Catholic and protestant universities in Europe and that doesn't make them "religious institutions".

Re:interesting story, shit website (1)

gzuckier (1155781) | about 9 months ago | (#46440577)

Being that BYU stands for Brigham Young University which is owned and operated by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

D'oh! All these years I've been thinking it was BYO University!

Re:interesting story, shit website (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46433811)

One of their geneticists is one of the top in the country...

And, according to the story, he built his rep on the extraction of DNA from an 80 million year old dinosaur fossil. Unfortunately the DNA turned out to be from a modern human.

Yeah, these are the guys we should be listening to, all right.

Re:interesting story, shit website (1)

nospam007 (722110) | about 9 months ago | (#46435313)

"One of their geneticists is one of the top in the country..."

'And, according to the story, he built his rep on the extraction of DNA from an 80 million year old dinosaur fossil. Unfortunately the DNA turned out to be from a modern human.'

He's obviously one of the top 5000 geneticists.

Re:interesting story, shit website (1)

gzuckier (1155781) | about 9 months ago | (#46440597)

And, according to the story, he built his rep on the extraction of DNA from an 80 million year old dinosaur fossil. Unfortunately the DNA turned out to be from a modern human.

Well duh, didn't you ever watch "Barney"?

Re:interesting story, shit website (0)

The Grim Reefer (1162755) | about 9 months ago | (#46434733)

FYI: The "Mormon Church" as you describe it is actually a team at BYU that specializes in genetic identification of family relationships.

Which is funded by the Mormons as it's Brigham Young University

One of their geneticists is one of the top in the country and to date, they have identified a number of unknown mummies who have been floating around various museums.

And he's also a high ranking member of the Church of Latter Day Saints

They have also built a genetic family tree. There is all sorts of things one can learn about ancient Egypt this way. (For example, just because historical records say that two people are related, it doesn't mean they are genetically.)

LDS also has strategic partnerships with Ancestry.com and FamilySearch [deseretnews.com] Do I need to connect the dots for you here too?

The BYU team has no interest in it from a religious perspective. King Tut wouldn't provide any additional "religious" information than the other 30+ mummies they have already worked with. They are very interested in it from a scientific perspective which is another way of saying that they are curious as all scientists should be.

I'm not denying their scientific acumen. It's obvious they are very adept at what they are doing. But the reason this program exists in BYU is to find proof that the native americans were really descended from a lost tribe of Jewish settlers who came to America. Even if the head of this program, who is a high ranking Mormon, isn't interested in this; the LDS would use this as a reason to posthumously baptize Tutankhamun.

Re:interesting story, shit website (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46434857)

Your religious bias is clouding your judgement.

Even religious people sometimes do science just because it is interesting or important to the world.

Re:interesting story, shit website (0)

budgenator (254554) | about 9 months ago | (#46435343)

I'm not denying their scientific acumen. It's obvious they are very adept at what they are doing. But the reason this program exists in BYU is to find proof that the native americans were really descended from a lost tribe of Jewish settlers who came to America. Even if the head of this program, who is a high ranking Mormon, isn't interested in this; the LDS would use this as a reason to posthumously baptize Tutankhamun.

Seriously, if your not a member of LDS, the idea of posthumously baptising is pretty whacka-loon and unsupported in any other religion I'm aware of, so what difference does it really make?
At Least when the Satanic Temple performed a Pink Mass at the gravesite of Fred Phelps’ mother,

a burgeoning community of worship devoted to the Dark Lord, has performed a “Pink Mass” over the grave of Westboro Baptist Church founder Fred Phelps Jr.’s mother. The Pink Mass is a Satanic ritual performed after death that turns the deceased's straight spirit into a homo one—it’s not unlike the Mormon practice of baptizing the dead, only much gayer.
Satanists Turned the Founder of the Westboro Baptist Church’s Dead Mom Gay [vice.com]

it was funny and deliciously ironic.

Re:interesting story, shit website (1)

Yvanhoe (564877) | about 9 months ago | (#46433747)

Don't forget all the present-day Egyptians who don't want Tut to have a too dark skin too. We would not want to revise all the depictions of Egyptians as almost totally white. There is supposed to be a clear border where Nubia starts.

Re:interesting story, shit website (4, Interesting)

guises (2423402) | about 9 months ago | (#46433927)

Tutankhamun himself didn't have a terribly interesting life or reign, but the circumstances surrounding him is easily one of the most fascinating stories from ancient Egypt. His father was Akhenaten, easily the most bizarre pharaoh - he basically forsook running the kingdom in favor of starting a cult out in the middle of nowhere. His religion was the first known monotheistic one and he drastically changed the art and practices of what was arguably the most conservative culture that there has ever been. Akhenaten's wife (not Tutankhamun's mother) was Nefertiti, who's bust is one of the most iconic symbols of Egypt.

After Akhenaten's death, Tutankhamun and his sister / wife, Ankhesenamun, were too young to rule so the vizier, named Ay, took over and basically tried to undo what Akhenaten had done. The "amun" at the end of the two children's names is significant - Amun was the most worshiped god of the old religion, Tut's father's god was called the Aten. Tut's birth name was Tutankhaten, and the change came with a lot of reversals of his father's religious policies.

For a long time Tutankhamun was believed to have been murdered, but I guess that's in dispute now. Regardless, we have a heartbreaking letter from just after his death sent by his sister / wife to the Hittite king. Remember that Ay, in his seventies, has been ruling the country unofficially for the last nine years, that Egypt was the most powerful country in the world at this time, that the Hittites were traditional enemies of Egypt, and that Ankhesenamun, now eighteen and alone, is the only surviving member of the pure royal bloodline. This is from memory, so don't get mad if it's slightly off:

My husband is dead and I have no sons. I understand that you have many - send me one of yours and I will marry him and make him king of Egypt. Never will I marry a servant.

I am afraid.

A Hittite prince was sent, and he and his retinue were murdered en route. The only other record that we have of Ankhesenamun is her name and Ay's written together in way that signifies that they were married. Ay becomes the next pharaoh, and she disappears after this.

Re:interesting story, shit website (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about 9 months ago | (#46435035)

> Akhenaten's wife (not Tutankhamun's mother) was Nefertiti, who's bust is one of the most iconic symbols of Egypt.

Probably the second most famous of their imagery, second only to the gold helmet they ripped off from Battlestar Galactica.

Re:interesting story, shit website (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46437433)

Re:interesting story, shit website

 
Are we talking about the Slashdot beta again??

Re:interesting story, shit website (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46440407)

His father was Akhenaten, easily the most bizarre pharaoh - he basically forsook running the kingdom in favor of starting a cult out in the middle of nowhere. His religion was the first known monotheistic one and he drastically changed the art and practices of what was arguably the most conservative culture that there has ever been.

That's because the previous pharaoh, Thutmoses III, drowned in the Red Sea while chasing after the Hebrews. This was after several important Egyptian gods were shown to be inferior to the Hebrew god. That kind of curb stomping left an impression on the new guy.

Re:interesting story, shit website (1)

guises (2423402) | about 9 months ago | (#46443643)

The biblical pharaoh is generally believed to be either Ramesses the second (Ramesses the great) or his son, Merenptah. The first mention of Israelites happens during Merenptah's reign. This is about a hundred years after Akhenaten.

Incidentally, the Red Sea in the biblical account is a mistranslation - it's actually supposed to be the "sea of reeds." In other words, a marsh. This makes sense for a bunch of reasons, not the least of which is the fact that the Israelites lived in the delta region in Egypt, which has plenty of marshes but isn't very close to the Red Sea.

Re:interesting story, shit website (1)

abednegoyulo (1797602) | about 9 months ago | (#46447181)

was Nefertiti, who's bust is one of the most iconic symbols of Egypt

I guess they don't call her Nefertiti for nothing.

Re:interesting story, shit website (1)

manu0601 (2221348) | about 9 months ago | (#46437605)

There's some kind of fear that [Tutankhamun] may have been a Jewish ancestor. Which would somehow make Egypt part of Israel.

With that kind of rationale, China would be somehow part of Mongolia

Re:interesting story, shit website (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 9 months ago | (#46440869)

Wasn't there a time once when this was almost true? Mongolia isn't what it used to be.

Re:interesting story, shit website (1)

manu0601 (2221348) | about 9 months ago | (#46442619)

Of course it was true, Gengis Khan [wikipedia.org] took over China.

King Tut's daddy created God (1)

terjeber (856226) | about 9 months ago | (#46444367)

Tut wasn't all that important besides being the Son of The Guy Who Created God. Now, to me that beats being "The Son of God". Tut's dad was in conflict with his priests, declared there was only one God, moved the court way up the Nile and thereby created a big following of priests who claimed there was only a single (somewhat abstract) deity. This is probably the basis for the later Abrahamic God, and so, Tut was "The Son of the Guy who Created God".

Re:interesting story, shit website (1)

RockDoctor (15477) | about 9 months ago | (#46445755)

Realistically, his greatest historical accomplishment was simply not having his tomb raided by treasure hunters.

Actually, his tomb was raided. How much they got away with, we'll probably never know, but not a great amount. When Carter entered the tomb, there were clear signs of repairs to the doorway ,and the interior was a jumbled mess, as if the place had been partly ransacked, and then a lot of stuff almost literally thrown back in - by inference by the equivalent of the Police.

Safe to say - if some people got blamed, they'd have died slow, excruciatingly painful and highly public deaths. Probably after watching all their families die the same way, spaced out over a period of days. Watched by the neighbours. Shrinking violets, the Egyptians were not.

Possible outcome (1)

invictusvoyd (3546069) | about 9 months ago | (#46433419)

Tuthankhamun's DNA has been linked to the egyptian region and has markers that indicate his proximity to egyptian royalty of around 1332 BC .

_______________
No to beta

Re:Possible outcome (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about 9 months ago | (#46433445)

Do we have DNA records detailed enough to match him that precisely?

Re:Possible outcome (1)

gIobaljustin (3526197) | about 9 months ago | (#46433455)

That might be the case, but it might also not be the case.

Re:Possible outcome (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46433463)

Tuthankhamun's DNA has been linked to the egyptian region and has markers that indicate his proximity to egyptian royalty of around 1332 BC .

I think that was meant to be funny . These facts have already been established from the available hieroglyphs

worst article, ever (1, Insightful)

jazzmans (622827) | about 9 months ago | (#46433441)

this article, and the linked website are absolute shite.

What the fuck, Slashdot?

my stuff never gets posted, but shit like this does?

FFS.

Re:worst article, ever (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46433499)

The website is an annoying mobile site, but the article has a lot of content. It goes into the backstory and history. It's significantly better than a two paragraph blog that only contains fluff or a Dice ad linking back to Slashdot.

I don't know what you try to post.

Re:worst article, ever (1)

ruir (2709173) | about 9 months ago | (#46433541)

Truth is when I saw it in my iPhone the site was very weak. Now in my MacBook Pro is far more interesting.

What, Beta again? (0, Offtopic)

dutchwhizzman (817898) | about 9 months ago | (#46433535)

I logged in on a computer I hadn't logged in on and I got the Beta again? I thought we were over this and SlashDot promised not to try that shit out anymore before the fixed everything was wrong. FUCK BETA, I don't want it because it sucks. I thought that was clear by now????

Re:What, Beta again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46433907)

Just bookmark this link and you should be fine.

http://slashdot.org/?nobeta=1 [slashdot.org]

Re:What, Beta again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46434007)

I logged in on a computer I hadn't logged in on and I got the Beta again? I thought we were over this and SlashDot promised not to try that shit out anymore before the fixed everything was wrong.

FUCK BETA, I don't want it because it sucks. I thought that was clear by now????

Just checked the beta to see the progress since the slashdot uproar and it appears they haven't changed anything... wtf?

Re:What, Beta again? (0)

bbsalem (2784853) | about 9 months ago | (#46441063)

Dice wants to turn Slashdot into a social media (blog) site to generate business data. That deserves to kill Slashdot. FUCK Beta. I will close my account if Dice does this and take my comments to Reddit.

Re:What, Beta again? (1)

bbsalem (2784853) | about 9 months ago | (#46554001)

So who moded this down? A dice.com employee perhaps? :-)

Re:What, Beta again? (1)

gzuckier (1155781) | about 9 months ago | (#46440643)

That's just the beta of the rollback of the beta. It still has a few bugs in it. (The rollback).

Goa'uld (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46433759)

Calling it. :P

Yet another case of nationalism getting in the way (1)

loonycyborg (1262242) | about 9 months ago | (#46433893)

Over its history Egypt changed hands so much that whatever people ended up there in modern time may end up being related to Tutankhamun even to lesser degree than, say, British.

Re:Yet another case of nationalism getting in the (1)

gzuckier (1155781) | about 9 months ago | (#46440649)

Aren't the Copts supposed to be the closest descendants of the ancient Egyptians?

Re:Yet another case of nationalism getting in the (1)

loonycyborg (1262242) | about 9 months ago | (#46443709)

Maybe, but several thousands years has passed and culture of original Egyptian was destroyed by multitude of invaders. For example, they lost their original language and are mostly Muslim due to being conquered by Arabs at some point. A minority of them are Christian and only to Christian Egyptians the word 'Copt' applies. Neither of those are original Egyptian religions obviously. And probably they can't claim ancestry either due to thousand of years of interbreeding with said invaders. That's assuming ancestry matters even. On the other hand Egypt due to being ancient world power have influenced to some degree pretty much all other nations. It's just too selfish of those very distant relatives of original Egyptians to monopolize this topic of research. It goes against the interest of Humanity as the whole.

Re:Yet another case of nationalism getting in the (1)

RockDoctor (15477) | about 9 months ago | (#46445599)

Descendents, certainly ; more closely related than any other randomly selected Egyptian is a lot more dubious. By the time you get back to when the Romans ruled, probably every Egyptian alive then is an ancestor of every Egyptian alive today. Go back another 1400 years (the equivalent to going back from today to Attila the Hun and the Visigoths) and everyone in the area is related to each other.

saeq (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46433915)

99

Was he a hybrid? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46434171)

I think given the advanced nature of the Egyptians. Many believe that Pharaoh's were God like people. Its possible the DNA would show a unique pattern unlike humans. If that
was the case. It would cause many problems for religion in general. The Egyptian culture was some of the most advanced for the time and even today we marvel at the construction and sophistication of their lifestyle. Many in that part of the World will resist any verification. My question is, who faith is being tested here? If you believe then why is this DNA testing even a issue? Unless their is doubt even with the faithful themselves?

either everyone's ancester or nobodys (2)

peter303 (12292) | about 9 months ago | (#46440655)

Genetic statisticians have figured out that in as little as 8 centuries either your had died out or has contributed to everybody. This a variant of the problem that after 30 generations you should have more ancestors than the population of Earth. But there always is a degree of inbreeding for most marriages- as little as 2nd cousins for some village traditions, to most US spouses are at least 10th cousins or closer. I.E. another variant that Obama is related to almost half of the other presidents through generations in the USA history (12 generations or less). A significant fraction of Middle proudly trace their hertitage to Mohammed; Chinese to some empreror. Genetic studies hint a tenth of Asia has markers from Genghis Khan. If Jesus had had children (unclear) then much of the world could be descendents.

Conversely, even if Charlemagne is your proven ancestor, you may have no genes from him. You have about 42,000 genes, duplicate copies from each parent. After 16 generations, some ancestor must drop off the list of contributing genes. Probably much sooner because meiotic (germ cell)recombination appears operate on blocks of genes, not individual genes.

Re:either everyone's ancester or nobodys (1)

Reziac (43301) | about 9 months ago | (#46440769)

This is kinda like how ALL Norwegians go back to Harald the Great. (I've forgotten the details but that's the gist of it.)

Re:either everyone's ancester or nobodys (1)

RockDoctor (15477) | about 9 months ago | (#46445715)

For Brits, King Richard or his brother King John. Or there abouts.

Pour les Francais, quelque roi apres de Charlemagne.

For anglophone Americans ... we're back to the Dick and Johnny show again.

Re:either everyone's ancester or nobodys (1)

Reziac (43301) | about 9 months ago | (#46445905)

Or might William the Conqueror be the major entry point for that line? Come to think of it, was he related to Charlemagne?

My ancestors on the Brit side were largely Welsh. So chances are I go back to some prince named Owain or Llewellyn as well. :)

[I'm actually an heir to a Welsh castle, should I cough up the million pounds or so in back taxes... of course, I've got competition from 6 or 7 generations of shirttail relations... Perhaps we should pool our funds. :D ]

Re:either everyone's ancester or nobodys (1)

RockDoctor (15477) | about 9 months ago | (#46494549)

William the Bastard (his name at the time ; the "Conquerer" bit was only added a few generations later) was sufficiently far back that everyone in Britain is related to him by multiple routes. While both Guillame Le BatÃrd and Charlemagne were of Germanic descent, I think Charlemagne's antecedents came out of the forests of Germania (as the Romans called it), probably under the impetus of invading Tatars from the east. Guillame Le BatÃrd, on the other hand, came from a more Nordic stock, and his immediate ancestors were involved in stealing land from Charlemagne's descendants. Probably there were indirect relationships, but by means of political marriages, not blood.

Nasty bunch of robber barons, the lot of them. Your Welsh antecedents were probably no better. Ditto for my antecedents in Britain and Ireland.

Enjoy your castle. I'll enjoy central heating and negligible death duties.

Oops, not logged in ; fixed.

Re:either everyone's ancester or nobodys (1)

Reziac (43301) | about 9 months ago | (#46494743)

They were quite a bunch, eh? Fun times, if you were on the winning side!

The big difference seems to be that the northerners raped, pillaged, burned, then settled down and became reasonably good neighbors. The easterners (and by extension, the Normans) raped, pillaged, burned, and set themselves up as overlords.

Alas, the castle isn't really in habitable condition, even were I a rich lunatic willing and able to cough up the back taxes. Not irreparable, per the photos I've seen, but rather a ways from a turnkey estate.

Re:either everyone's ancester or nobodys (1)

RockDoctor (15477) | about 9 months ago | (#46445681)

If Jesus had existed (unclear) then much of the world could be descendents.

FTFY

Tut's Genome (1)

bbsalem (2784853) | about 9 months ago | (#46441045)

Maybe it isn't too uncommon!

Tutankhamen Dead? (1)

unclefred (1878610) | about 9 months ago | (#46441435)

Wait just one abbreviated minute; Tutankhamen,DNA, excavate and the Muslim Brotherhood!!! I smell Disney,Theme Park and Harrison Ford! Don't say I didn't give you the insider(oops)inside tip! Wink, Wink,Nudge,Nudge! Say no more.
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