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Canada & Korea Show Trade Treaties Can Skip Copyright Rule Changes

timothy posted about 9 months ago | from the anything-you-don't-put-your-mind-to dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Canada and South Korea announced agreement on a comprehensive trade agreement earlier today. Michael Geist reports that the intellectual property chapter is significant for what it does not include. Unlike many other trade deals — particularly those involving the U.S., European Union, and Australia — the Canada-South Korea deal is content to leave domestic intellectual property rules largely untouched. Instead, the approach is to reaffirm the importance of intellectual property and ensure that both countries meet their international obligations, but not to use trade agreements as a backdoor mechanism to increase IP protections. That means no copyright term extension, no three-strikes and you're out rules, and increase to pharma patents."

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Damn you Canada! (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46456273)

Take back Bieber.

No, seriously (1)

oldhack (1037484) | about 9 months ago | (#46456333)

Take it back. No joke.

Sorry, you lost the hockey game (2, Informative)

Piata (927858) | about 9 months ago | (#46456491)

You owe us beer and get to keep Bieber until the next Winter Olympics.

Re:Sorry, you lost the hockey game (1)

Atticka (175794) | about 9 months ago | (#46457441)

Two cases of beer have been delivered to Harper already!

The U.S. just needs to lock up Bieber and we're good.

Re: Sorry, you lost the hockey game (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46457581)

A case of beer to Obama ought to get this done for us. Two cases and Bieber will be on the next plane to Guantanamo for sure.

Re:Damn you Canada! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46456473)

Sure, as soon as you take back your insane copyright laws.

Re:Damn you Canada! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46457139)

Just rewind to the 1800's when the US was the largest IP thief the world had ever known up to that point in time and use those rules now...

Knowing Harper (0, Troll)

sandbagger (654585) | about 9 months ago | (#46456423)

The deal is with North Korea.

Re:Knowing Harper (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46456559)

I love you guys (sarcastically). This government does something nice, and you still spew vitriol. They try to increase competition in the telecom space, and you still find something to complain about.

Re:Knowing Harper (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46456905)

spew vitriol? persecution complex anyone?

Re:Knowing Harper (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46457083)

As opposed to pavlovian reactions from the other side of the aisle?

Re:Knowing Harper (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46457429)

Yes, Yes, Heil Harper

Re:Knowing Harper (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46457479)

See, exactly what I'm talking about.

Re:Knowing Harper (1)

Mashiki (184564) | about 9 months ago | (#46459601)

Meh why be shocked at this behavior from the left? Unless it's attacking the US for being the US like the liberals did when they were in power it's pretty much all the same. And while I'm not super impressed with everything Harper has done, the diversification that we've gotten under him as well as trade deals far outstrips what the previous governments did in the past. When they were content for Canada to be a one-trick-pony only selling our goods south.

Knowing Harper (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46476541)

I think Harper's attacks on democracy have a lot to do with it.

Re:Knowing Harper (1)

Flammon (4726) | about 9 months ago | (#46465873)

I agree. It took a while but Harper is starting to prove himself. Freetrade agreements with Europe and South Korea and with more countries in the works. Great moves for the economy and wealth building.

Sounds like it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46456511)

This sounds like how ACTA and TPP should be. Just shows what the evil intentions the USA always like to throw into the mix. Now if only Yellowstone would hurry up and consume that shithole the world would be better off.

Re:Sounds like it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46456603)

This sounds like how ACTA and TPP should be. Just shows what the evil intentions the USA always like to throw into the mix. Now if only Yellowstone would hurry up and consume that shithole the world would be better off.

Yeah, supervolcanoes to the rescue.

Re:Sounds like it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46456841)

ACTA had many good clauses in it regarding physical counterfeiting and product safety, but it was all thrown away because the greedy MPAA/RIAA had to inject their overzealous copyright policy laundering into it, making it toxic. ACTA is supposed to be about anti-counterfeiting, it should had stayed that way. The MAFIAA needs to stay out of trade agreements, period. Then again, what good is anti-counterfeiting without China, may as well piss on it and walk away, may as well.

Re:Sounds like it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46456941)

ACTA is supposed to be about anti-counterfeiting, it should had stayed that way.

Agreed, They changed the meaning from Counterfeiting to Pirating which was just plain wrong, and I hope the European MPs actually state this was the reason for rejecting the treaty.

It's because the US isn't involved (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | about 9 months ago | (#46457005)

Face it, the only country that keeps pushing for IP protections is the largest IP producer of them all - the United States. If the US was involved in the trade talks, IP would've been on the table.

But between South Korea and Canada? Both aren't really well known heavy IP producers - sure there are plenty of content produced, but it's but a tiny part of the economies, and people don't generally associate various IP products with Canada. Think of movies, you think Hollywood. Etc. The US is all about exporting its culture through IP products.

After all, what's there to protect? Samsung can steal the latest design for the Blackberry for what anyone really cares about. Unless you orient your keys a certain way, that is.

Re:It's because the US isn't involved (1)

boojumbadger (949542) | about 9 months ago | (#46457191)

Seems to me that by ratifying this Canada can no longer support the extreme measures reported of the TPP. South Korea is apparently interested in joining the negotiations on that deal too. Then again, consistency has never been a politician's friend. Their friends in Big Business rely on the inconsistencies for maximum payouts through lawsuits.

Re:US is all about exporting its culture ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46457561)

Sure, sure. On the other hand we can probably figure out how to kill each other with guns without too much help from the US.

Re:It's because the US isn't involved (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46457779)

Apparently the poster is not familiar with MAPL and Canadian content rules which lead to Canada producing plenty of copyrighted works each year, nor South Korea's huge tech sector which also produces plenty of Intellectual property worth protecting.

Perhaps the two countries realize it is a matter best left to each member state.

Re:It's because the US isn't involved (1)

AdamWill (604569) | about 9 months ago | (#46465495)

Canada produces plenty of copyrighted works, sure. We don't exactly *export* a lot of them, though. I'm not sure how much demand there is in South Korea for episodes of Trailer Park Boys, Murdoch Mysteries or Corner Gas, and those are some of Canadian TV's success stories. :)

Oh so THAT'S why (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46460663)

when I buy a DVD and put it on my TV the first thing I'll see is some fucking American corporation telling me what an evil person I am.

I should have realised that contrary to the accepted fact that the US is one of the greatest IP theives in history it's actually the US who does ALL the innovation and I should be thankful I'm even allowed to purchase their products.

That would be because it's *Canada* (1)

msobkow (48369) | about 9 months ago | (#46457021)

Canada never *has* tried to force other nations to bow to our will, much the will of Hollywood, unlike the Jackboot States of America.

With the US, every agreement has "riders" and "add-ons" that have nothing to do with the primary intent of the agreement. I believe this stems from the US habit of running all their legislation with such "back door" items buried in the fine print of Congress.

Re:That would be because it's *Canada* (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46457251)

...as opposed to Harper's 'omnibus' 400 page budgets that end up burning libraries?

http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/7058/196/

http://bibliocracy-now.tumblr.com/post/74860540852/order-paper-reveals-dfo-library-situation-far-worse

Re:That would be because it's *Canada* (1)

AdamWill (604569) | about 9 months ago | (#46465507)

What exactly are we building those absurd arctic "patrol ships" for, do you think? Patrolling? For...polar bear poachers?

hmm obviously (1)

grumpyman (849537) | about 9 months ago | (#46457375)

There aren't a lot of content that's flowed/wanted between the 2 countries - why bother. Like Canadian interests of Korean drama, or Korean appetite for Tie Domi doing figure skating.

Re:hmm obviously (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46460683)

That's right, just keep thinking that and assuming you're the only ones doing anything innovative. After all if you did discover some Korean or Canadian IP you wanted you'd just rule that you had a right to steal it anyway.

Re:hmm obviously (1)

AdamWill (604569) | about 9 months ago | (#46465519)

I'm assuming the OP is Canadian. I doubt many Americans would manage the "Tie Domi doing figure skating" reference.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

(basically, it's Dancing with the Stars...ON ICE!)

Products (2)

DarthVain (724186) | about 9 months ago | (#46457473)

Seeing as most of the trade seems to consists of things like "Wood" and "Food" I doubt IP is really a big deal for either.

Re:Products (1)

Flammon (4726) | about 9 months ago | (#46465811)

What about Hyundai and Kia? I'm looking forward to paying less for a car.

Re:Products (1)

DarthVain (724186) | about 9 months ago | (#46475487)

Sure yes, however in terms of actual trade value it is about a magnitude less. Which makes Ford Canada bitching about it humorous.

Car Import/Export I read is worth about 50$ Million bucks between the two countries (a year).

Between Wood and Food, the value is 1.5$ Billion. So 1500$ Million VS 50$ Million.

Perhaps that value will change now with less tariffs, who knows... However the tariffs were also lifted on the main exports as well...

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