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CIA Accused: Sen. Feinstein Sees Torture Probe Meddling

timothy posted about 6 months ago | from the taking-the-heat-off-that-other-agency dept.

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SternisheFan writes with this news from the Washington Post: "In an extraordinary public accusation, the head of the Senate Intelligence Committee declared on Tuesday that the CIA interfered with and then tried to intimidate a congressional investigation into the agency's possible use of torture in terror probes during the Bush administration. The CIA clandestinely removed documents and searched a computer network set up for lawmakers, said Sen. Dianne Feinstein in a long and biting speech on the Senate floor. In an escalating dispute with an agency she has long supported, she said the CIA may well have violated criminal laws and the U.S. Constitution."

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I smell a dupe (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46460703)

And I'm not referring to the people who keep voting for Feinstein, either.

Re:I smell a dupe (-1, Offtopic)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about 6 months ago | (#46460761)

"I smell a dupe. And I'm not referring to the people who keep voting for Feinstein, either."

Haha. This is mod-worthy. But it was "under my threshold" when I came to this page and I didn't see it.

It's the *Pot & Kettle Show* (5, Insightful)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about 6 months ago | (#46460801)

They are of the same kind, not dupes.

On one side we got scumbags.

On the other side we got assholes.

In other words, it's a showdown between the scumbags and the assholes.

Assholes accusing scumbags of torturing people, but in the meantime it was the assholes who defended the scumbags when they violated the Constitutions, ignoring the Bill of Rights, invading the privacy of Hundreds of Millions of the American Citizens, and billions more people outside of America.

Re:It's the *Pot & Kettle Show* (5, Insightful)

Mitreya (579078) | about 6 months ago | (#46460849)

Assholes accusing scumbags of torturing people, but in the meantime it was the assholes who defended the scumbags when they violated the Constitutions, ignoring the Bill of Rights, invading the privacy of Hundreds of Millions of the American Citizens, and billions more people outside of America.

No, I think it is far simpler than that.
We have a bunch of people who think anything goes "for the good of the country" (in the name of War on [*Something*]), until the second it affects them directly. Then, they suddenly remember laws/Constitution/human rights/etc.
This is not new, for example Video Privacy Protection Act [wikipedia.org] .

Re:It's the *Pot & Kettle Show* (5, Interesting)

s.petry (762400) | about 6 months ago | (#46461243)

Except it's not "for the good of the country", that's just the rhetorical propaganda used constantly. It is usually for the good of themselves, followed by their kind. Plenty of documentation exists in this regard, such as passing laws contrary to their election platform to generate campaign contributions. Worse in my opinion is using tax money to set up and run fund raisers, like Obama has done on every single trip he has ever taken to California where he does nothing else.

It's hard for people to see the rhetoric as propaganda since it's repeated all the time. I know many people that are happy to see Obama come to the SF Bay area 4 times a year to set up 20K plus a plate dinners, because they think he's working on his 1 day junkets. Why? Because the TV media refuses to discuss it or tell people what he's really doing for the most part. Our "Talk" radio stations discuss it but, well, it's talk radio and has a select audience.

Anyway, I don't think you are necessarily wrong but neither was the person you responded to. Pretty much, everything these people do is for self benefit and self preservation. They will use any sales pitch that works toward that end and they will continue until people wise up. I believe people are catching on to whats happening.

Pot and Kettle Show (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46461477)

The Guardian:
Once you have told operatives to take their gloves off and fight dirty on the road they don't just start playing by Queensbury rules at home.

Those openly called on to flout international law in the interests of a higher good do not then suddenly submit that goal to domestic law once they've gone through customs. Once the state has deliberately created space for power to be exercised without accountability those who occupy that space will protect it against enemies domestic and foreign. When your war is global and unending it inevitably comes home and keeps going. The monster the US has unleashed on the rest of the world is steadily devouring its own.

Re:Pot and Kettle Show (1)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about 6 months ago | (#46461623)

On another site (the alt site) I've outlined the bribe that Dianne Feinstein took back in the 1980's and the way she took it and from whom she received the bribe.

I wasn't the only one on the dock when Feinstein and her entourage arrived. The Taiwanese Kuomingtang people were there too.

My target wasn't Feinstein. I was merely interested in the struggle between two groups of people from Taiwan that took place on the American soil.

In the course of my own investigation Dianne Feinstein's name kept popping up.

In other words, if the Kuomingtang people has the info on Dianne taking bribes (and I know they still keep that dossier) I will not be surprised that information will somehow "fall" into the hands of the CIA operatives.

Right now CIA is keeping a very low key, but once CIA obtains what they need on Feinstein, sparks will fly, investigation will be launched, justice department will be involved, court hearings (secret and/or open courts) will held, and Feinstein will find herself on the roasting pole very very soon, if she thinks she can take on the mighty CIA.

Re:Pot and Kettle Show (1)

Boronx (228853) | about 6 months ago | (#46461701)

Good story, but it assumes a competent CIA.

Re:It's the *Pot & Kettle Show* (2, Interesting)

KingOfBLASH (620432) | about 6 months ago | (#46461503)

Eh it's a little more complicated than that. The autobiography of John Rizzo (General Counsel, CIA) after he retired basically states that the CIA made a tactical decision after Iran Contra to stop getting involved in stuff. Then Sep-11 happened.

As the CIA had literally no other intel than a couple of hard nosed al queda birds, it decided that it needed to torture people to save lives.

Funny thing is it probably did save lives. But the ends do not always justify the means. And really it shows just how the CIA dropped the ball....

Re:It's the *Pot & Kettle Show* (1)

sugar and acid (88555) | about 6 months ago | (#46461853)

Iran Contra is a good example of what is the problem with the CIA. They believe they are a covert military force and diplomatic wing of government, and NOT an intelligence gathering service. Because of this, after Iran Contra, they just pulled out of everything including the basics of intelligence gathering that would generate actionable intelligence.

The vietnam war murky start was due to it growing out of CIA lead military actions. In many ways a more up front decision decision in government about if there should be any military action in Vietnam could have saved many lives, with either a fully committed profession US force being deployed earlier on or simply not engaging in the conflict at all and coming out at the same result it ended in anyway.

If the CIA concentrated on understanding what is going on in the world and feeding that back to the government. With military actions left to the military, and diplomatic manoeuvring left to the diplomatic corp, the US just wouldn't get into half the messes it does.

Re:It's the *Pot & Kettle Show* (1)

dbIII (701233) | about 6 months ago | (#46462047)

Because of this, after Iran Contra, they just pulled out of everything

Did you sleep through the 1980s and 90s or were you born yesterday?

Re:It's the *Pot & Kettle Show* (1)

dbIII (701233) | about 6 months ago | (#46462035)

John Rizzo (General Counsel, CIA) after he retired basically states that the CIA made a tactical decision after Iran Contra to stop getting involved in stuff

Does he expect us to be that naive?
It's like saying "Yes officer, I've never committed any crimes apart from those that made the front page for a month - ignore all the ones I got caught on that were only in the news for a week"

Re:It's the *Pot & Kettle Show* (2)

ComputersKai (3499237) | about 6 months ago | (#46460891)

You sir, seem to have explained basically what is happening in the madhouse full of "representatives" that we "graciously" sent to there with the actual impression they would do something.

Unfortunately, there seems to be no end to this ass-hole plugging up ass-hole business...

And you wonder why Washington opposed a partisan system of government.

Re:It's the *Pot & Kettle Show* (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46461739)

They are of the same kind, not dupes.

On one side we got scumbags.

On the other side we got assholes.

It's two sides of the same Nobel peace prize.

Re:I smell a dupe (3, Informative)

shentino (1139071) | about 6 months ago | (#46461059)

This isn't a dupe, it's an escalation of the same story that happened after the original was already posted.

Rather like how they broke news of TEPCO's reactors as a separate story from the tsunami.

Re:I smell a dupe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46461073)

It's not who the voters vote for that counts.
It's who counts the votes that counts.

Re:I smell a dupe (2)

Artifakt (700173) | about 6 months ago | (#46461799)

That's a paraphraseof Joe Stalin's “Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything.”. It's a good quote, but it raises the question, is that true of governments in general, at all times, or only when the government is a dictatorship like his was. As you've given it, you could mean either a warning people should heed and can maybe still do something about, or an exercise in sophomore pessimism that says we should all do nothing at all. It's easy to sound wise by saying something most readers will interpret whichever way suits their temperament, but which way do YOU see it?

Re:I smell a dupe (2)

Bite The Pillow (3087109) | about 6 months ago | (#46461089)

I hate to encourage this sort of thing, but I do enjoy the difference between night crowd and day crowd.

As we have seen posted here, the first replies and moderation will influence later readers' opinions on who is an idiot. This takes very similar replies into quite a different discussion. Statistics would say that opinions would be predictable, but pure chance on who happens to moderate and post make all the difference.

Speaking of beta, it might be worth posting new stories at the bottom, so that more people encounter the dupes as dupes. It will not be perfect, but until they track last story read it seems like a good time to make a breaking change.

Duplicate OP! (-1, Redundant)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about 6 months ago | (#46460709)

Um... seems to me we have some duplication here [slashdot.org] .

I don't know about anybody else, but I sure thought this is what that other thread was all about.

Re:Duplicate OP! (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about 6 months ago | (#46460721)

Thread, topic, whatever. I think my meaning was clear.

In any case, as I mentioned in that other topic, I think this is hilariously ironic.

Way to be a world-class hypocrite, Dianne!

Turf war (food fight!) (5, Insightful)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 6 months ago | (#46460751)

The NSA hates the CIA

Re:Turf war (food fight!) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46460823)

yup, and Rockefeller, Graham, and Feinstein headed up the DNI in 2005. This is hardly shocking.

Re:Turf war (food fight!) (1)

AHuxley (892839) | about 6 months ago | (#46460899)

US cryto has had a long and strange history. From a low point in the 1920-30's with funding, massive Army and Navy duplication in code breaking, playing catch up trying to understand Germany and Japan in ww2.
Korea was a another few years re learning basic interception and plotting (ie having to be helped by the GCHQ/UK).
Near the end of Vietnam some real amazing efforts in interception, understanding and plotting Soviet tech in Asia seemed to finally be ready.
Most of the NSA efforts seem to be around selling/setting junk crypto hardware/software standards for decades or listening to the Soviet Union.
The CIA did great with its overfights and digging under embassy telco efforts.
As for the post cold war turf war - the NSA seemed to want a real vote on many issues rather than been called in as tech experts when needed. Offensive operations on the NSA terms vs helping the CIA when requested..
As for the CIA and interrogation reports:
Whats left will tell of the use of foreign nationals, dual nationals and US contractors, gov workers... medical and legal professionals.
ie the correct use of US gov experts from the FBI or try other methods in other parts of the world with other expensive contract staff or staff with ideas....
International conventions and professional standards... its all going to make the US press.
It really depends how many files where kept.

Re:Turf war (food fight!) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46460993)

Alien torture probe meddling would make anybody hate the CIA.

Re:Turf war (food fight!) (2)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | about 6 months ago | (#46461735)

The NSA hates the CIA

Well yeah, in the first season. But Sarah and John eventually get along.

SSCI (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46460763)

Feinstein is the Chairperson for the Senate Select Committee for Intelligence. So what she asleep all this time? Sounds like Casablanca again.

Re:SSCI (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46461881)

Now even Snowden himself is apparently calling her out [nbcnews.com] .

it's a dupe. (3, Informative)

strstr (539330) | about 6 months ago | (#46460795)

CIA hiding torture of Americans....

CIA operating all over American soil. The surveillance game allows them to control Senators, Congressman, citizens, police, and others alike, although I personally believe the Senators and police are in on it.

NSA is in on it.

Details on CIA/NSA surveillance abuses beyond Snowden, including space and satellite capability: http://www.oregonstatehospital... [oregonstatehospital.net]

Re:it's a dupe. (3, Funny)

El Puerco Loco (31491) | about 6 months ago | (#46460863)

Forget the CIA and NSA, if you want to see tyranny, nothing beats homeowners' associations.

Re:it's a dupe. (-1, Offtopic)

DaHat (247651) | about 6 months ago | (#46461117)

if you want to see tyranny, nothing beats homeowners' associations.

You went in knowing you'd be part of an HOA (unless you were rather ignorant and didn't read through the covenants of the property you moved to/purchased (alas, I cannot erect an oil derrick on my property which was the major takeaway of reading through all of the paperwork when closing on my house (an no HOA!!! (which I already knew))... in the end you agreed to live under that tyranny... I on the other hand did not vote for a single person who voted for and ultimately forced Obamacare down the thought of the American people... so I'd argue that my tyranny beats your tyranny.

Re:it's a dupe. (2)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46461355)

Wait.. You consider it tyranny when the wealthier of us are asked to contribute toward the healthcare of some of the poorest, and yet you have no problem begging for alms for your student debt?

Basically you appear to be arguing that democracy is the worst kind of tyranny. I think you might direct your gaze across your home's property lines, maybe even (eek!) to places where the meaning of tyranny is actually known and felt. Hint: if a bill passes it is the law -- you are not subject to only those laws which your own personal favorites sponsor, you know.

Re:it's a dupe. (4, Informative)

meglon (1001833) | about 6 months ago | (#46461573)

I'd argue that you don't have a basic understanding of tyranny. I'd also argue that you need to spend a few bucks on a dictionary and look up words before you use them. I'd also argue you need to go back to a 10th grade US History and Government class, and actually pay attention this time around.

Conservatives like to often bring up that we are a republican, not a democracy. Part of the reason is they never met a poly sci class they could pass, but the other reason i'm sure is they somehow want to equate the name of their party, "republican," as somehow innately better because it's named after what our founders called our form of government. They also like to point out that our founders, in various writings, explicitly talk about the negatives of "democracy," and did not want one in this country. This is where the lack of being able to understand the basics of government seem to drag them into intentional ignorance.

The only form of "democracy" around when our founding fathers set up the Constitution was what we now call "direct democracy." It's basically what Switzerland has, where everyone gets to vote on whether people, or smaller groups of people, have the same rights as everyone else.... which was a bad thing from our founding fathers viewpoint; they called this the "tyranny of the majority," because after a vote of all the people, there were no safeguards for any minorities rights. This "tyranny of the majority," it should be noted, is exactly what conservatives try to invoke when the ask to put same-sex marriage up for a vote so the voters can decide. THAT is tyranny.

Because of the way the world of politics and government has evolved, there are multiple types of democracy now. One of those types is a "representative democracy," which is what we have. It is the same thing as a "constitutional republic." We vote for representatives, who then are stewards of the country until they're out of office. They in turn vote for the various laws, rules, and regulations to govern our country. BECAUSE they pass a law you don't like, doesn't mean jack shit. If it passes constitutional muster (which the ACA HAS), it is not "tyranny of the majority," it is simply a law YOU don't agree with.

Now... my advice to you is, buy that dictionary, and go on back to high school and learn something.

Re:it's a dupe. (1)

El Puerco Loco (31491) | about 6 months ago | (#46461581)

Well I voted for all of them. Twice.

Re:it's a dupe. (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | about 6 months ago | (#46462011)

Sure. My parents accidentally missed an HOA payment and then they got extraordinarily renditioned and water boarded.

They then complained loudly and then had to serve a few years at a prison camp.

Oh wait, HOAs don't do that. Evil? Sure. Worse than TLA agencies? No.

Re:it's a dupe. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46462059)

The TSA wouldn't do that either, they are professionals. You'd never have known what happened to your parents.

Link is a dupe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46461561)

How did this get voted up? Check the link, I have never seen such rabid lunicy!

Re:it's a dupe. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46461653)

Sure it's a dupe. Basically we've got nothing but dupes since Snowden came out.

Ok, here is an interesting tidbit: after the empire of Hoover was recognized for what it was (considerable time after JFK was conveniently assassinated, and after emperor Hoover died a natural death), rules were put in place against that accumulation of power, restriction the reign of any one CIA czar to 10 years max.

The current CIA czar has been residing for 14 years already. It would appear that all the relevant persons forgot to check their calendars. Probably other things were on their mind, like when they had been seen with who where.

So "corruption and breaking of laws and regulations running rampant in the CIA" is pretty much a dupe we've been hearing at least since the seventies.

Qualifiers are everything (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46461655)

I love that you qualify that the torture of Americans is a bad thing.

Re:it's a dupe. (2)

Sir Holo (531007) | about 6 months ago | (#46461913)

Schizophrenia is a saddening disease.

power (4, Interesting)

BradMajors (995624) | about 6 months ago | (#46460799)

We will see who is more power, Congress or the CIA. The answer will be the CIA.

Re:power (1, Troll)

strstr (539330) | about 6 months ago | (#46460839)

Smart lad. We have to defund and annihilate the CIA. Sad is, the CIA Inspector General referred the issue to the US Department of Justice for investigation, and they are essentially being run by the CIA. And those fuckers are going to meddle with and fuck up any investigation into these abuses.

The reason the US Department of Justice was notified to investigation deals more with the fact that the CIA OIG does not handle domestic investigations, not necessarily because they believe criminal prosecution in necessary. I am personally worried about an ensuing cover up of these events.

I have details about both the FBI, NSA, CIA, and Senate/Congress covering up the abuse of millions of Americans during illegal surveillance and weapons testing abuses. Details here: http://www.oregonstatehospital... [oregonstatehospital.net]

A large number of Americans, so called Targeted Individuals, are watching this very closely. Personally, I think the CIA is controlling everyone, disallowing legitimate investigation into the abuses of the Agency, so they can get away with murders, rapes, surveillance abuses, and directed-energy assaults of Americans.

The case is, genocide and torture of Americans, worse than anything Saddam even did to his own people. I am waiting for any country to come and bomb us now, so we can have freedom from the United States government.

Re:power (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46461615)

Smart lad. We have to defund and annihilate the CIA.

Name the last time that happened to any major component of our intelligence community. You would literally have an easier time convincing someone that the puppet show that is the TSA is no longer needed, and that trillion dollar theatre can be shut down.

The case is, genocide and torture of Americans, worse than anything Saddam even did to his own people. I am waiting for any country to come and bomb us now, so we can have freedom from the United States government.

I'm waiting for you to pick a government that proves itself far superior. I'm looking across the landscape. All I see are governments that are known to be corrupt, or ones that we suspect are. Where is this magical government and constitution you speak of...

Re:power (1)

evilviper (135110) | about 6 months ago | (#46461265)

We will see who is more power, Congress or the CIA. The answer will be the CIA.

There have been plenty of times before that congress has had to punish agencies that have gone too far. See: The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978

I fail to see how this time will be any different.

If you REALLY manage to piss-off Congress, you don't get ANY more money. NONE. Three-letter agencies with no money don't have power for long.

Re:power (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 6 months ago | (#46461471)

If you REALLY manage to piss-off Congress, you don't get ANY more money. NONE. Three-letter agencies with no money don't have power for long.

You really believe that? You think that Iran/Contra was an "isolated incident"?

Re:power (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46461659)

Oh, the CIA managed to piss off JFK to a degree where they were better off taking chances with the next president.

Nothing gets congress better in line than a display of power like that. Next time an assassin comes around, you want to have the CIA on your rather than his side.

It wan't the CIA (1)

dbIII (701233) | about 6 months ago | (#46462067)

Proof - the assassination worked. There's no way it was those Bay of Pigs toy soldiers that had one section running guns to Castro while another was trying to kill him. Read some declassified CIA history if you want some laughs about expensive and stupid fuckups.

Re:power (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46461641)

We will see who is more power, Congress or the CIA. The answer will be the CIA.

There have been plenty of times before that congress has had to punish agencies that have gone too far. See: The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978

I fail to see how this time will be any different.

If you REALLY manage to piss-off Congress, you don't get ANY more money. NONE. Three-letter agencies with no money don't have power for long.

If you REALLY piss off the CIA, you won't have to worry about approving budgets anymore.

Some people seem to forget what that agency does for a living. They do have a rather unique ability to ensure the squeaky wheel gets greased permanently, and are artisans of the "accident".

As far as any references to our history, you fail to see how this is any different than events in 1978? I fail to see how the fuck you think our government and their abuses have not changed drastically since 1978 to ensure a different outcome. But don't take my word for it. Wait and see what the fuck happens. I already know what will happen. Nothing.

Torture Probe? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46460811)

Why does Sen Feinstein have a torture probe? Does she also have nipple clamps and candle wax?

Re:Torture Probe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46461205)

Why does Sen Feinstein have a torture probe? Does she also have nipple clamps and candle wax?

It's to be expected. After all, she is from San Francisco.

Flower-in-the-hair is no more enough ?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46461453)

After all, she is from San Francisco

Dunno how many gazillion times I've heard that "...be sure to wear a flower in your hair" thingy and I always thought you only need to wear flowers in your hair and nothing else when you go to San Francisco.

You mean you can't do that anymore ?

How fitting... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46460829)

...for Feinstien, of all people, to get in a hissy about somebody breaking laws and violating the Constitution.

She doesn't even get out of bed in the morning without trying to think up five new ways to break laws and violate the Constitution.

Maybe we can send her and the CIA agents responsible to the same remote, desert island.

Jesus H Christ on a Bike, fschk Main Page 4 Dupes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46460835)

The dupe
is on
the main
page
- Head Asplode -

The CIA spying on people in congress?! (1)

Hey_Jude_Jesus (3442653) | about 6 months ago | (#46460845)

I'm shocked I tell ya! What next? Will the NSA start tracking the web browsing habits of congress critters, so they can blackmail them to increasing their authority and budget?

But..... (5, Insightful)

Lord Kano (13027) | about 6 months ago | (#46460865)

She calls US paranoid for thinking that the government would ever trample our rights.

LK

Re:But..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46461103)

You got it *almost* right:

She calls US paranoid for thinking that the government would ever trample *her* rights.

Suck it Diane, you Statist bitch (4, Insightful)

Gothmolly (148874) | about 6 months ago | (#46460913)

How's your own medicine taste now?

PS: DIAF.

Re:Suck it Diane, you Statist bitch (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46461217)

Go fuck yourself, you drug addled tea partier.

Re:Suck it Diane, you Statist bitch (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46462081)

How's your own medicine taste now?

She hasn't tasted a damn thing of significance. At least, not until the shocking -- and completely incidental -- CIA discovery that she has stashes of child porn on her computer. Until that happens, she really won't have felt what her own medicine tastes like.

Did we forget the video torture tapes erased? (5, Insightful)

MonsterMasher (518641) | about 6 months ago | (#46460943)

How quickly we forget. The CIA erased all the torture (interrogation!) interviews, and was pardoned.
No, the assholes that should be hung by balls will never see a jail.

Aww, maybe you should do your job (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46460961)

What did you do when DNI Clapper perjured himself to Congress? NOTHING

What did you do when Attorney General Holder ignored a Congressional subpoena and was found to be in contempt of Congress? NOTHING

What did you do when Obama unilaterally modified statutory deadlines in the Affordable Care Act you voted to pass? NOTHING

So now you're bitching when another part of Obama's executive branch drops a right deuce on you?

You earned it.

Elitist America (4, Insightful)

Required Snark (1702878) | about 6 months ago | (#46460987)

Welcome to our new unequal 21st century America.

If you are not a member of one of various elites, you have no expectation of privacy, protection under the law, or economic security.

If you are a wealthy investor, top tier business executive, elected to a nationwide office, or famous and rich for any reason, your wealth and position will be protected by the economic, political, and military might of the US. Note: entertainers, particularly pro-athletes and popular musicians, can be dropped at any time. Heavily right wing affiliation will keep you in good standing. See Steven Seagal and Ted Nugent for examples.

The only real crime is interfering with a member of the elite. You can have every economic transaction, phone call, medical record, license plate tracking data and email in a secret database, but if anyone spies on a Member of Congress heads will roll, bureaucrats will loose their jobs and institutional budgets will be slashed.

Suck it up. You count for nothing.

Re:Elitist America (1)

liquid_schwartz (530085) | about 6 months ago | (#46461125)

I'm not a huge Ted Nugent fan but he was definitely harassed. Really nobody is safe. Period. Not a left wing icon like Feinstein, not Nugent, and certainly not the average /. reader.

Re:Elitist America (2)

DaHat (247651) | about 6 months ago | (#46461139)

If you are not a member of one of various elites, you have no expectation of privacy, protection under the law, or economic security.

I feel quite dirty even thinking about defending Senator Feinstein... but she has a point... though I don't know if she's making it as she could.

In the US we are taught that we have three co-equal branches (it's really two with a lessor third, but I digress)... so one branch secretly spying on/impeding a second... is not quite kosher... at least with the FBI raid on the congressional offices of William "Cold Cash" Jefferson [wikipedia.org] ... a claim could at least be made that it was two branches acting together to target a member of the third and through normal legal practices ( ie checks and balances)... even that was attacked by virtually all in congress.

Re:Elitist America (1)

rnturn (11092) | about 6 months ago | (#46461155)

Can't remember who said it but it went something like:

"Yes, there is a club. No, you(*) are not a member."

Something to keep in mind.

(*) - Meaning: folks like us.

Re:Elitist America (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46461415)

Can't remember who said it but it went something like:

"Yes, there is a club. No, you(*) are not a member."

George Carlin

It's from his American Dream [youtube.com] speech.

Re:Elitist America (1)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about 6 months ago | (#46461479)

"Yes, there is a club. No, you(*) are not a member."

If it was 50 years ago, yes, even I want to join that club.

But this is year 2014. That club has lost all its luster, and people are leaving.

Many people have left, including me, since 2003.

I only go back once a while on business trips. That's all.

Re:Elitist America (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46461253)

Suck it up. You count for nothing.

You speak only for yourself, you pathetic loser.

The rest of us will make up our own minds whether we count or not.

Re:Elitist America (0)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about 6 months ago | (#46461489)

OK, not sure what Bizarro World you live in, but Nugent and Segal are not elites. Not even close. They didn't go to Harvard or Yale and don't make decisions for anyone but themselves.

It's always entertaining to see people who think that the left is not in charge. Let's see: who needs bodyguards to visit a university campus, right or left? Besides, if you're a left-winger, then this "inequality" thing has been going on (according to you) since 1776. Not really sure how this is "new".

Re:Elitist America (2)

El Puerco Loco (31491) | about 6 months ago | (#46461621)

In a sane world you wingnuts would need a bodyguard to leave your houses.

Re:Elitist America (1)

Jesrad (716567) | about 6 months ago | (#46462179)

Why the hatred ?

PS: to me you are all just chariot-racing fans [lesswrong.com] .

Re:Elitist America (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46461553)

There are interesting videos to watch about your rights in Texas:
http://gamesbyemail.com/News/DataCorruption

Re: Elitist America... er . No. Not this one. (1)

pcwhalen (230935) | about 6 months ago | (#46462189)

At the outset, let's look at the moral of the story: You can't trust spies or spy agencies. Especially not the way the Senator has consistently told us we should trust the NSA.
This is not a case where it's ok that Senator Feinstein got hoist by her own petard for info on her own computers. This is a case of her feeling the same overreaching by an intelligence agency she says doesn't and won't happen every day with the NSA. But it's the American people who are getting fucked here, not Diane F.
We went over this in another post.
The "CIA computers" were part of a document production system provided by the CIA pursuant to a Senate Committee subpoena. It contained CIA documents responsive to the Senate subpoena in electronic form instead of paper copies. The document depository was run by private contractors. That's not really that unusual.
Apparently, when the CIA found out they had turned over to the Senate Committee a CIA draft report that was particularly harmful to the CIA's position, the draft report "disappeared" from the computerised document depository. The senior Senator from California believes the CIA caused it to disappear.
It's like erasing portions of White House tapes that had been subpoenaed a la Nixon. Just because it was done by the CIA doesn't mean it was spying, merely criminal tampering with a federal investigation. That's all.
Don't cheer that the asshat Senator got screwed by the CIA. It was us that got screwed by the CIA.

Hey has anyone be hacked to some beta site? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46460991)

I keep getting hacked into some beta sight that is real slow. Is this happening to anyone else?

Re:Hey has anyone be hacked to some beta site? (1)

KClaisse (1038258) | about 6 months ago | (#46461179)

http://slashdot.org/?nobeta=1 [slashdot.org] that should fix it

Done nothing wrong, nothing to hide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46461029)

So has the Senate being doing something wrong, that they need to hide? Or does no privacy only apply to the little people?

We Don't Deserve It (1)

The Cat (19816) | about 6 months ago | (#46461081)

There are times when I sincerely believe we, as a nation, don't deserve the Constitution we were given.

Re:We Don't Deserve It (3, Insightful)

Pfhorrest (545131) | about 6 months ago | (#46461143)

We, as a nation, were not given a constitution.

We made a constitution, and by doing so, in that same act, deserved it.

If we are not unmaking it, then by that same act we no longer deserve it.

"We" as a nation, that is. We each, as individuals, deserve to be part of a nation that would make (and in doing so deserve) and defend such a constitution.

Those of us who would support the making and defending of it, at least.

Re:We Don't Deserve It (1)

Pfhorrest (545131) | about 6 months ago | (#46461145)

*if we are now unmaking it... damn typos

Re:We Don't Deserve It (4, Funny)

El Puerco Loco (31491) | about 6 months ago | (#46461639)

God would not have revealed the constitution to the Pilgrims on Thanksgiving if we didn't deserve it!

Unlikely, but not Unplausibe (3, Interesting)

coaxial (28297) | about 6 months ago | (#46461107)

Personally, I find it unlikely that the CIA would do something so ham handed and transparent. And yet, since the War on Terror and the idea that anything goes when the people you're drowning don't wear matching hats, the CIA and the entire IC has lost all credibility, that I can't dismiss the allegation.

That said, Feinstein is a out of touch 80 year-old that thinks mass surveillance is cool [latimes.com] , but at the same time gets upset when the IC spies on allies (like everyone else does) [theguardian.com] , and when spy on her [nytimes.com] .

As a Democrat and a Californian, I say Fuck Feinstein.

Re:Unlikely, but not Unplausibe (0)

techno-vampire (666512) | about 6 months ago | (#46461325)

As a Democrat and a Californian, I say Fuck Feinstein.

As a Californian who happens to be a moderate Republican, I say, no thank you; she's not my type. I've been voting against her for decades, but the liberals can't get enough of her.

Dupe, really? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46461173)

How do you post a dupe a mere 12 hours after this story was originally posted? When should we all stop saying that slashdot is getting worse/going downhill and admit that they've gotten to the bottom of that hill long ago and are now physically digging themselves further.

Either that or I am underestimating the amount of brain power and work it takes to search slashdot's already submitted articles for yours (google isn't THAT hard people). And in this case all it would have taken is for lazy timothy to scroll down the main page. But I guess slashdot prefers to have complete and total idiots as posters rather than people who can do the complex and demanding task of proof-reading, searching google, and checking the home page of slashdot ONCE. Dupes are a problem but as long as I'm going to rail against the posters here the proofreading by these people is atrocious. I'm sure there's a few mistakes in this post here but this isn't an article for millions of people to read, this is a post. There is a certain level of professionalism you expect and that level is certainly not being met here at slashdot, nor are the people working here even trying to meet it.

Get your shit together slashdot, this is fast becoming another news website that posts completely off-topic non-news items (for what your supposed to be posting some of your articles don't even belong in TMZ for christ sake) and fucks up what it does post and has no care about fixing it or doing better in the future.

I'd like it if Timothy fixed this problem or at least acknowledged the problem but he, along with the rest of the slashdot staff, bury their heads in the sand and assume they can post articles written by 12-year olds and get away with it. This is supposed to be billed as a high tech news website and your audience is similarly high tech. If you think you can continue digging this idiotic hole by not proofreading, dupe posting, and posting obvious slashvertisements people will stop paying attention to you. There is a market out there for high tech news without the dupes, childish grammatical and spelling errors, and NOT HAVING news stories that have absolutely nothing to do with tech. Continue to alienate your core demographic with these child-like practices and you can bet I and other will just go somewhere else. There are no shortage of tech news websites so think twice before you decide to convert to another mass-media news website that talks about lady gaga's penis and what the latest celeb gossip is.


YOU ARE ON NOTICE SLASHDOT. WE, YOUR AUDIENCE, ARE WATCHING AND WE ARE NOT HAPPY WITH WHAT WE SEE AND READ. GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER. and yes I know this post probably has quite a few grammatical or spelling errors, probably punctuation problems too. But Im not a huge tech website posting articles for millions of people to (try) and read. Maybe if this article was just some post on reddit you could forgive how terrible it is. But this isn't reddit (yet).

Re:Dupe, really? (1, Informative)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about 6 months ago | (#46461835)

I submitted this story, and yes I now see it was already posted ( http://yro.slashdot.org/story/... [slashdot.org] ). I guess I've been too busy with things in my little 'busy' life to notice that it was already submitted, and for this I apologize. I don't blame Timothy, perhaps he's been having a busy life also, and remember, this did get upvoted through the /. system.

Though it is a heck of an admission by a politician in today's world that a government entity has purposely deleted many files from another government entity's computers. This story would never have gotten any play in the U.S. news 10 or 20 years back. The internet has changed how news is reported, and that is 'a good thing'.

Will it change anything, or is it a story that will just blow away with the next Kardashian disclosure? Is Feinstein rightously mad over this, or is she just acting up the part for possible future re-election? I don't know the answer to those questions, but I do know that "evil triumphs when good men and women do nothing".

---------

Just think, in a 100 years, all new people!

I don't think people get it (2)

mbone (558574) | about 6 months ago | (#46461181)

I do not like Feinstein much, but I do not think that people here are getting just what a big deal this is.

Senator Dianne Feinstein just went nuclear on the CIA.

Just savor that for a minute.

Re:I don't think people get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46461649)

I do not like Feinstein much, but I do not think that people here are getting just what a big deal this is.

Senator Dianne Feinstein just went nuclear on the CIA.

Just savor that for a minute.

What the hell do you have to "savor" as an adult watching that fucking puppet show? You act like her lashing out is going to change a goddamn thing. It won't. This is bullshit theater at best.

Re:I don't think people get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46461679)

I do not like Feinstein much, but I do not think that people here are getting just what a big deal this is.

Senator Dianne Feinstein just went nuclear on the CIA.

Just savor that for a minute.

It's not a big deal. Basically it means that in two months tops, Feinstein will be in denial or in a coffin.

Re:I don't think people get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46461985)

I don't think YOU are getting what a big deal this is.
That hypocritical b**** has the gall to claim Constitutional violations when she is one of the LEADERS of violating the Constitution!
She didn't seem all fired up when the CIA, NSA, , was violating the Rights of the average American, but now that it happened to HER and her elitest buddies it's bad? Sorry, Tyrant, I don't have any sympathy for you.

thiet ke web (1)

thietkeweb333 (3558411) | about 6 months ago | (#46461379)

Assholes accusing scumbags of torturing people, but in the meantime it was the assholes who defended the scumbags when they violated the Constitutions, ignoring the Bill of Rights, invading the privacy of Hundreds of Millions of the American Citizens, and billions more people outside of America. thiet ke web [dep.asia]

Pit bull (4, Insightful)

strikethree (811449) | about 6 months ago | (#46461387)

If you create a mean and vicious pit bull, do not be surprised when it turns around and bites you. D'oh!

I saw it coming (4, Insightful)

blindseer (891256) | about 6 months ago | (#46461549)

Finally someone in Congress speaks up about the overreach of the executive branch. What boggles my mind is why Congress talks so much about it but does so little. These executive agencies exist only because Congress allow them to. If Congress wants them to stop then they should make it stop. One sure way to make it stop is to dissolve the agency responsible.

The issue of government spying is, IMHO, a symptom of professional politicians. Senator Feinstein has spent her entire life in government. She knows nothing about living a life outside of the privileges of a government paycheck. She must think she's "better" than those that voted her into office. That she's "more equal" than the other animals.

I used to think that no one should be able to serve more than two terms in the same office. Now I think that no one should be able to serve more than one. The terms "re-election" and "incumbent" should be foreign to us. There are more than 300 million people in this country, it's nearly statistically impossible that we cannot find someone better for the job than her. She's 80 years old and has served as a Senator for 22 years, it's time she retired.

So, Senator, you don't like the government spying on you? Welcome to the party, there's a lot of us that don't like the government spying on us. The difference between you, Senator, and me is that you can make it all go away with a vote. As a Senator you can have anyone you deem responsible fired, including the President of the United States.

I know you won't though, Senator, because the people that are spying on you work for the same entity that you work for. I don't mean the federal government, I mean the Democrat Party. If there was a Republican POTUS right now you wouldn't be talking to reporters right now, you'd be hauling people in front of a Senate committee and have them answering uncomfortable questions under oath.

Senator, you allowed this beast to be created, now you and I have to live with it. You are the reason we need term limits, you just don't know when to quit. I suspect that you will be like many of your predecessors, the only way you will leave office is feet first. So, FOAD already.

Re:I saw it coming (1)

bytesex (112972) | about 6 months ago | (#46461693)

"The difference between you, Senator, and me is that you can make it all go away with a vote."

So can you.

Re:I saw it coming (1)

blindseer (891256) | about 6 months ago | (#46461749)

Right, I should have qualified that. Senator Feinstein can make it go away tomorrow with a vote.

Re:I saw it coming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46461785)

Right, I should have qualified that. Senator Feinstein can make it go away tomorrow with a vote.

And the CIA can make Senator Feinstein go away tomorrow with a vote.

Re:I saw it coming (2)

Undead Waffle (1447615) | about 6 months ago | (#46461711)

You don't seem to understand who you are talking about. Feinstein has always been one of the biggest supporters of pretty much every controversial thing the various government agencies have done. Whatever her motive here I assure you it has nothing to do with speaking up about overreach. Unfortunately she isn't up for re-election for another 4 years or so, which means her strong support of these unpopular activities will be forgotten by then and she will probably be re-elected anyway. (I am a little annoyed because there were some very good candidates on the ballot running against her but people see D and INCUMBENT and vote for them regardless of how bad they are.)

Fjord where art thou? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46461601)

Why oh why art my dearest shill nowhere to be seen?

He has gotten another account (1)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about 6 months ago | (#46461669)

... and has been very actively posting from that other account.

And he has been posting a lot under the AC moniker too.

From ArsTechnica's coverage... (4, Informative)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about 6 months ago | (#46461791)

Remote delete

In May of 2010, as the documents continued to stream in, some of the committee staffers realized documents they had looked at earlier had disappeared. As it turned out, in two separate incidents, CIA employees had accessed the network without committee approval and had deleted approximately 920 documents from the network’s storage.

Sen. Feinstein said that “CIA staff first denied they had removed the documents, then they blamed IT support personnel and then said removal of the documents was ordered by the White House.” Feinstein went to White House counsel about the removal, and the complaint was rapidly escalated. The CIA apologized for the removal and gave assurances that it wouldn’t happen again.

But it would happen again, later in 2010, according to Feinstein, after the discovery of draft documents within the shared data that were part of an internal review ordered by Leon Panetta. The so-called Panetta review documents were actually summaries of the same documents that made up the majority of what the committee staff was reviewing for its report, but they included “analysis and acknowledgement of signs of wrongdoing,” Feinstein said.

The documents were marked as “deliberative” and “privileged”—meaning that they were intended not to be shared with the Senate under claims of executive privilege. But since they had been shared as part of the data dump, Feinstein said, there was no legal reason for the staff to not review the documents.

It is not known whether the CIA inadvertently shared the documents that somehow made it through the contractor’s screening process or if they were deliberately added to the data dump by the CIA or possibly by an internal whistleblower. Regardless, shortly after the draft documents were discovered, they started disappearing from the document store—so staffers copied the ones that remained to their local hard drives and printed out copies to preserve them. Staffers also made their own redacted copies of the documents—removing CIA non-executive employee names and locations, as the CIA would have done with other documents—and transported them back to the Hart SCIF for safekeeping.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-po... [arstechnica.com]

Maybe. (2)

cascadingstylesheet (140919) | about 6 months ago | (#46461875)

Maybe.

Meanwhile, it will get you all riled up and distracted from not having a job and from paying more for your "affordable" health care, if you can even find a doctor in your town anymore.

Re:Maybe. (1)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about 6 months ago | (#46461903)

Maybe.

Meanwhile, it will get you all riled up and distracted from not having a job and from paying more for your "affordable" health care, if you can even find a doctor in your town anymore.

Agreed. Is this news release all a magician's distraction trick being employed by the so called 'good' party? Watch the left hand waving about, but don't pay any attention to that right hand sneaking into your pocket? Hmmm....

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