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Measles Outbreak In NYC

Soulskill posted about 9 months ago | from the please-vaccinate-your-brood dept.

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sandbagger writes "New York City may have to deal with a measles problem. New Yorkers are being urged to make sure all household members, including young children, are vaccinated. To date, there have been 16 confirmed cases and four hospitalizations. This follows news from the CDC in December that 2013 saw triple the average number of yearly measles cases. 2014 is off to an even worse start; there have been cases recently in the Boston metropolitan area and more than a dozen in the Bay Area as well. Vaccinations seem to be a victim of their own success — people look around and see no polio or measles and wonder why they should bother. Others repeat bogus claim about vaccines causing autism. How do you think we can get through to the anti-vaxxers?"

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Thanks Jenny (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482381)

Thanks a lot you dumb bitch.

Re:Thanks Jenny (3, Insightful)

RockClimbingFool (692426) | about 9 months ago | (#46482729)

Its a bit crass, but seriously? How is this post off topic? It is exactly on topic.

Obvious Answer (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482387)

We should present to them the facts! That will sway their minds. /sarcasm...

Re:Obvious Answer (5, Insightful)

Gr8Apes (679165) | about 9 months ago | (#46482497)

Expose them to measles, mumps, diptheria, etc seems to work. [go.com] Maybe not compassionate, but neither is preaching ignorance and endangering society.

Re: Obvious Answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482673)

I feel a litle bad but please mod parent up and let Darwinism do itÂs work.

And remove all warnings on common household objects.
Happy Pi-day

Re:Obvious Answer (0)

JoeMerchant (803320) | about 9 months ago | (#46482689)

Round them all up and shoot them. Clearly they are social deviants and cannot be accepted in modern society, the rest of the world can sleep easier knowing that this sort of thing is not tolerated, right?

That's a little harsh, I suppose we could send them to a leper colony instead, that one in Hawaii looks pretty nice.

Re:Obvious Answer (3, Interesting)

TWX (665546) | about 9 months ago | (#46482691)

How about denying medical insurance coverage to those that fail to get vaccinated, unless they can demonstrate that they are a member of a recognized religious congregation that specifically is against vaccination as a part of church dogma?

Think of it along the lines of a warranty on an expensive machine being void if the owner fails to follow the maintenance schedule.

And for those that want to argue religious freedom, please bear in mind that even Christian Science, as against intrusive medical care as they are, still has room for its adherents to follow vaccination laws where applicable.

Re:Obvious Answer (2)

rickb928 (945187) | about 9 months ago | (#46482831)

You can't deny coverage in a single-payer system. You just crank up the deductible/copay, for punishment. Accept the consequences of that action or get out of the business of governing.

And those who do not vaccinate are costing us all money in a single-payer system, which is reason to compel vaccination.

Which is reason to decide on a single-payer healthcare system based not on supposed cost savings, nor even charity/indigent care, but on the inevitable loss of individual choice. Remember, those who do not vaccinate their children put their children at risk, but these are THEIR children, not 'ours'. If they want the freedom to choose how to raise their children, they need to accept the responsibility for their actions.

Yes, radical ideas, that you are responsible for your choices, that if you exercise that right you are subject to the consequences and deserve no shelter from them, and that asking the State to impose your choices on others is always an exercise in using force to impose your will.

All legislation is someone's morality. All if it.

Re:Obvious Answer (1)

cheesybagel (670288) | about 9 months ago | (#46482695)

Segregate them into separate schools. Let them fester in disease.

Re: Obvious Answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482833)

You can't fix stupid.

testimonials (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482391)

http://www.followingvaccinations.com

As long as trends like this happen, you won't get through to them.

MMR Outcry? (3, Interesting)

Big Hairy Ian (1155547) | about 9 months ago | (#46482397)

Hmm was there a major outcry by people who knew **** all about vaccines regarding MMR and the unfounded notion that it might cause Autism? We had a large outbreak of Measles in the UK recently because people had stopped getting their kids vaccinated. Perhaps the same thing happened on your side of the pond.

Re:MMR Outcry? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482445)

Science 101: Correlation is not causation

Re:MMR Outcry? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482605)

The issue over in the UK was someone who actually was a scientist (but wasn't acting in good faith at the time) with all the expected credentials decided Vaccines are causing autism. Understandably, the public trusted him... and it took years for honest scientists to prove him wrong. :(

Re:MMR Outcry? (3, Interesting)

buchner.johannes (1139593) | about 9 months ago | (#46482743)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

Hmm ...
1964 + 25 = 1990, first bump
1964 + 25 + 25 = 2014 new bump?

Maybe this is just the half-time of the shots, and it's time to refresh? I.e. "2014, third dose recommended"

Why worry - its natural selection in action (5, Insightful)

Viol8 (599362) | about 9 months ago | (#46482767)

Its sad, but if the kids of parents who only think on a base emotional level die then its clearing out the human gene pool. We should thank them.

Re:Why worry - its natural selection in action (1)

Big Hairy Ian (1155547) | about 9 months ago | (#46482801)

I wish I could MOD this up :D

Re:Why worry - its natural selection in action (4, Informative)

song-of-the-pogo (631676) | about 9 months ago | (#46482845)

Herd immunity [wikipedia.org]

The trouble is they're putting others at risk who, for varying reasons, are unable to be vaccinated. That is irresponsible, to say the least.

Part of the Solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482409)

Cheap kits allowing people to verify exactly what is in the vaccine.

Tell them a story (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482415)

Tell these people a story about a kid that got sick and nearly died because of not being vaccinated. It was recently shown to be effective, which makes sense, since these people seem to think emotionally rather than rationally. Evidence does nothing to convince them.

Re:Tell them a story (1)

ebbe11 (121118) | about 9 months ago | (#46482593)

If I had mod points, this post would get them!

Re:Tell them a story (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482813)

This is extremely cold-hearted but... refuse to treat those who actively refused vaccination because of ideological reasons; if they wish to reject modern medicine they can follow through on their ideals and not toss them away when convenient.

You can't get through. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482421)

You can't get through. The more you tell them they are wrong, the more they double down.

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/02/vaccine-denial-psychology-backfire-effect

anti-vaxxers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482427)

Put all the anti-vaxxers together on the same island. See how it goes.

What's wrong with anti-vaxxers? Nothing, I say! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482781)

PDP-11's forever, baby!

Dumb logic (5, Funny)

Vermonter (2683811) | about 9 months ago | (#46482433)

"Well my kid died of measles, but at least he didn't get Autism"

Re:Dumb logic (5, Funny)

slashmydots (2189826) | about 9 months ago | (#46482481)

OMG measles is like a 1700's pirate disease. Nobody catches it anymore. That's ridiculous. The government is just injecting nano-bots into your bloodstream to spy on you and make you eat fatty foods so you die before they can pay you social security and...*cough*...*dies from measles*

Re:Dumb logic (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482591)

Weren't fake vaccinations used to find Bin Laden? This is a known US government tactic. It is not crazy to think vaccinations can be used to serve some other purpose.

Re:Dumb logic (1)

Sockatume (732728) | about 9 months ago | (#46482679)

The CIA used a fake movie to get people out of Iran, that doesn't mean Hollywood is just part of the intelligence apparatus.

Re:Dumb logic (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482811)

I'm making an "existential" argument not a probabilistic one. Ulterior motives for vaccination campaigns have existed in the recent past, implemented by the same organization you are being asked to trust.

Re:Dumb logic (1)

alen (225700) | about 9 months ago | (#46482725)

they used a doctor to try to get into the compound where he was to report what he saw

Re:Dumb logic (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482825)

I read they were doing blood tests of some kind. Who knows though.

Re:Dumb logic (3, Funny)

medv4380 (1604309) | about 9 months ago | (#46482633)

That's scurvy not measles. Measles is a German disease. American's are Immune.

Re:Dumb logic (3, Interesting)

splodus (655932) | about 9 months ago | (#46482555)

Actually I think you might be onto something;

"Remember people, measles kills, autism doesn't! Get the jab now!"

Re:Dumb logic (1)

GrahamCox (741991) | about 9 months ago | (#46482793)

Well, except that it's a non-sequitur. Autism has no connection with Measles, or the Measles jab.

I'm Not Saying Let's Go Kill All The Stupid People (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482435)

http://i.imgur.com/PyN2w.png

People need to realize... (5, Insightful)

dosius (230542) | about 9 months ago | (#46482437)

People need to realize that Andrew Wakefield, the father of the anti-vax movement as we know it today, was discredited and disgraced for the shoddiness of his so-called "research".

Oh yeah, and he had a vested interest in kids not getting MMR vax - I think he had ownership of a patent on a different rubella-only vaccine. Herp derp.

Re:People need to realize... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482477)

Nearly all medical research since the 1960s is shoddy. They aren't capable of precise theories so instead they disprove that treatment and control groups are exactly the same. This is never true so it makes no sense. That is not to say this Wakefield guy's research is any better.

Re:People need to realize... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482805)

When has someone being thoroughly discredited ever stopped anyone from believing them? Wakefield could go on national TV tonight and state the vacines are perfectly safe and no one would change their minds about it.

An M in MMR (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482439)

Sure the Amish might have exceedingly rare cases of autism & some may point fingers to the MMR which is garbage...but do they get measles?

I cannot wait to find out.

open research (2)

moke (574418) | about 9 months ago | (#46482441)

As a start they need to get all vaccine research out from behind paywalls in the public interest.

Re:open research (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482565)

This is a good idea.

Trying to reason with an anti-vaxer is impossible (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482443)

Trying to reason with an anti-vaxer is impossible, its like trying to talk to a fanatical person of any stripe they don't listen to reason, especially if your facts discount what they believe.

Here it comes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482447)

Cue someone complaining about vaccinations

A bit of common sense maybe? (1)

merdaccia (695940) | about 9 months ago | (#46482457)

- free vaccinations
- no insurance coverage for treatment if you are not vaccinated
- fines for not vaccinating your children

That leaves stupidity as the only reason not to get vaccinated. Hopefully the money collected from those fines is then used to do something about the stupidity.

If the fines then become an incentive for parents to not treat their children, there should be child abuse laws for not giving your child required medical care that kick in. You could also reverse it, i.e. a tax deduction for vaccination, in case the psychology works better that way.

Re:A bit of common sense maybe? (1)

Princeofcups (150855) | about 9 months ago | (#46482501)

- fines for not vaccinating your children

All fines are a tax on the poor. Just like parking/speeding tickets, rich people can ignore the law and pay it off with loose change.

1 - better education in general
2 - campaigns to discredit the anti-vax conmen

Re:A bit of common sense maybe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482619)

There needs to be better science education of the pro-vaxxers as well. Many people in this thread are using flawed arguments and could not interpret the data for themselves even if given access.

Re:A bit of common sense maybe? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482507)

It is not stupid to reject appeal to authority fallacies. They simply do not trust the same authority as you.

Re:A bit of common sense maybe? (2, Insightful)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 9 months ago | (#46482573)

- free vaccinations

That could work

- no insurance coverage for treatment if you are not vaccinated

Insurance companies would love that, but I'm pretty sure it would violate the ACA

- fines for not vaccinating your children

Unconstitutional.

That leaves stupidity as the only reason not to get vaccinated./p>

Stupidity, ignorance, religious preference (which I know a lot of people 'round these parts will lump in with stupidity), lack of access, distrust of the government, distrust of doctors, etc.

Just because you can only think of one reason doesn't mean it's the only reason.

there should be child abuse laws for not giving your child required medical care that kick in.

Look, bud, if you don't like living in a country that promotes and supports individual liberty, you're free to either try and amend the Constitution or expatriate. But don't be a self-righteous, dickhead fundamentalist who demands laws be passed to support your opinion by taking rights and freedoms away from other people. 'Cuz that's fucked.

You could also reverse it, i.e. a tax deduction for vaccination, in case the psychology works better that way.

That's your best bet - provides the right incentive, and is Constitutionally sound. The flat-taxers won't like it, but since when does anyone care what a flat-taxer thinks?

Re:A bit of common sense maybe? (1)

ilguido (1704434) | about 9 months ago | (#46482755)

- fines for not vaccinating your children

Unconstitutional.

Really? In Italy if you don't vaccinate your underage children you'll be fined for sure, because it's regarded a threat to public health. I think you can even lose the "patria potestà" (that is your children are no longer yours) if you refuse to conform.

Dunno (1)

Cenan (1892902) | about 9 months ago | (#46482459)

I don't see how we could get through to them, they've already jumped the bandwagon on at least one dubious claim, facts and research clearly aren't swaying these people. Letting them contract the disease and then tell them why they can't be cured of it, and may die, might have a much larger impact. Sucks that it has to put the rest of us at risk first though.

Re:Dunno (0)

Princeofcups (150855) | about 9 months ago | (#46482531)

I don't see how we could get through to them, they've already jumped the bandwagon on at least one dubious claim, facts and research clearly aren't swaying these people. Letting them contract the disease and then tell them why they can't be cured of it, and may die, might have a much larger impact. Sucks that it has to put the rest of us at risk first though.

You assume that these people can rationally interpret the situation. The reason they caught measles is because the "gubment" refuses to give them safe vaccinations. It is ALWAYS someone else's fault.

Re:Dunno (1)

funwithBSD (245349) | about 9 months ago | (#46482575)

On the plus side: Darwin will take care of them.

Re:Dunno (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482723)

If the impact were solely focused on adults who made a specific decision not to get themselves vaccinated, then I would agree completely.

But here in the real world, people are impacting their kids and other people by refusing vaccinations. Is that an acceptable situation? I sure as hell don't think so.

Re:Dunno (1)

JoeMerchant (803320) | about 9 months ago | (#46482803)

I'm pretty sure I had the measles, or was it mumps? Maybe both. Certainly chicken pox, as did most of my 4th grade classmates. It wasn't a big deal, a week or two staying home from school, nobody died. By the 1970s, common childhood diseases were still common, but thanks to the good basic healthcare available, deaths and serious injuries were quite rare. The last vaccinated disease that had a major visible impact of killing and maiming people was polio - that vaccine was a huge win.

Since then, if you are truly worried about dying, you'd be better off staying away from motor vehicles and taking your chances on the diseases.

Not saying that I don't drive, just what the odds are.

DNA Testing (4, Interesting)

the_scoots (1595597) | about 9 months ago | (#46482463)

Maybe we'll have the capability to cheaply trace each confirmed case back to the source through the DNA of diseases. Turn a few ambulance chasing lawyers loose on folks causing outbreaks for whatever reason and a few people might change their tune.

Re:DNA Testing (1)

Princeofcups (150855) | about 9 months ago | (#46482567)

Maybe we'll have the capability to cheaply trace each confirmed case back to the source through the DNA of diseases. Turn a few ambulance chasing lawyers loose on folks causing outbreaks for whatever reason and a few people might change their tune.

Punishing the victims. The people who need to be punished are the conmen who promote the anti-vaccine agenda. They are all making bank off of books, interviews, paid lectures, etc.

simple (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about 9 months ago | (#46482465)

"How do you think we can get through to the anti-vaxxers?"
Let them all die the way nature intended.

Fucking antivaxxers (1)

benjfowler (239527) | about 9 months ago | (#46482469)

Hope you're proud of yourselves.

Solution that might be a crime (1)

Albinoman (584294) | about 9 months ago | (#46482471)

It's easy. There's usually hospital or school records of people being vaccinated. If they're not, pin them down and vaccinate them. What would you be charged with? Protecting their life?

Re:Solution that might be a crime (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482517)

Try to pin me down, nothing that my gun won't fix. If you fools want the vaccines take them, since they are so safe and you are supposedly protected, then it is only people that don't take them that are in danger. Oh yeah, the vaccines are not as effective or safe as they are claimed to be.

Re:Solution that might be a crime (2)

Sockatume (732728) | about 9 months ago | (#46482643)

The whole idea of vaccinations is that they make it impossible for a disease to spread through a community, that it'll die in its current host before it finds another person who either didn't gain immunity from the vaccine or couldn't be vaccinated for medical reasons. You don't get that benefit at low coverage rates.

Re:Solution that might be a crime (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482645)

Try to pin me down, nothing that my gun won't fix. If you fools want the vaccines take them, since they are so safe and you are supposedly protected, then it is only people that don't take them that are in danger. Oh yeah, the vaccines are not as effective or safe as they are claimed to be.

Wow... just ... wow. After a post like this, I came up with the perfect solution: bio-engineer measles to be more virulent and lethal.

First hand experience with illness (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482487)

If they don't listen when their pediatrician gives them advice based on data and research and standard medical guidelines then the only thing that will get through to them is seeing their child get an awful preventable illness.

Horses To Water (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482489)

you can not Force people to believe something.

So, there is a simple solution for people who refuse to give up their belief that vaccines are dangerous. They themselves are the true public health threat. So we take a page out of history. Typhoid Mary would not stop seeking work as a cook. So she had to be quarantined on an island in the Hudson River.

Move these people there.

Quarantine them .

The only requirement to leave is to be properly vaccinated.

You won't get through to them (4, Insightful)

egranlund (1827406) | about 9 months ago | (#46482499)

How do you think we can get through to the anti-vaxxers?

Unfortunately, I don't think anything will get through to them until their kids and loved ones start dying from very old and highly preventable diseases.

Their mindset is one much like the followers of creationism, etc where they believe that:
1) All scientists have been bought out by "big pharma" or
2) That the consensus among the scientific community is some kind of organized ploy to sell more and more drugs.

Because of this, no matter what scientists or public health officials say, they just plug their ears and go "LALALALALA".

Re:You won't get through to them (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482677)

Perhaps the scientists are just incompetent to interpret their data. How else could the hodgepodge of illogic that is NHST have become the gold standard of evidence?

By Spreading the Truth (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482511)

Others repeat bogus claim about vaccines causing autism. How do you think we can get through to the anti-vaxxers?

Intellectuals have a significantly higher chance of producing an autist or aspie - it's evolution and the non-autist hooting monkies should just accept it, they are dying out. All hail the new Humans.

Obligatory knee jerk reaction (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482513)

Statistically you are more likely to die from a bee sting. So explain to me why there will be 300 posts calling Jenny McCarthy a stupid douche.

Re:Obligatory knee jerk reaction (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482749)

Because Jenny McCarthy (and those that believe her) is a stupid douche.

Maybe right now you are statistically more likely to die from a bee sting, but the larger the unvaccinated population grows the statistically more likely people will be to die from something that is easily prevented.

Go look at pictures of kids suffering from polio and then come back here and tell us why you think avoiding vaccines is the way to go.

Re:Obligatory knee jerk reaction (1)

michael021689 (791941) | about 9 months ago | (#46482771)

Yea, more likely to die from a bee sting because we vaccinate against it. Statistically, you are more likely to die from measles than a bee sting if you haven't been vaccinated against measles. These stupid douches are endangering their children's lives; it is child neglect/child abuse and they should be prosecuted as such.

Self-solving problem... (1)

geminidomino (614729) | about 9 months ago | (#46482525)

How do you think we can get through to the anti-vaxxers

Let their kids start dying of these things again, it'll get through. You can't convince stupid people, especially when they have a vacuous celebrity spokesperson.

Re:Self-solving problem... (2)

splodus (655932) | about 9 months ago | (#46482637)

Unfortunately we all rely on the effect of herd immunity. A bunch of people going without the vaccine puts everyone else at risk too.

Re:Self-solving problem... (1)

TobinLathrop (551137) | about 9 months ago | (#46482823)

Yes this! And there are a lot of adults out there that were above the vaccination age yet and those of us that are just old enough that what we got vaccinated with may not be in the immune system memory anymore.
If there is one group of people I very literally want to hit with a real clue by four it is the antivax crazies cause they are killing not only their own children but others who either are too young yet or they are the small amount that the vaccine didn't work on but should have been okay due to herd immunity.

Why not let the problem solve itself? (1)

balajeerc (1461659) | about 9 months ago | (#46482541)

Another way of looking at this is that this is a self correcting problem. The retards who don't vaccinate their children end up having their progeny eliminated from the gene pool and thereby preventing the proliferation of their foolishness. Poor kids though.

Well... (1)

cyberjock1980 (1131059) | about 9 months ago | (#46482549)

"How do you think we can get through to the anti-vaxxers?"

Easy... ever heard of the phrase "I say we take the safety labels off of all products and let the problem sort itself out"?

I know several people that refuse to vaccinate their children. They don't care what evidence you provide. They will argue until the day they die that vaccines cause autism. You can't argue with that level of conviction(or stupidity).

Yes, there's a good chance we're going to lose people that were vaccinated and still caught the (insert any vaccinated disease here) but that's the breaks when you deal with society. They won't always agree with you. And their stupid mistakes will sometimes cost you more than you are ever willing to pay.

Public statement by the original study author (3, Informative)

StandardCell (589682) | about 9 months ago | (#46482557)

The best way to handle this is for the original author of the paper that started this anti-vaccination mess, Andrew Wakefield, come out and give a public statement indicating that:

1. Apologize for the fact that his study was flawed, and explain why.

2. That no other study has established any material basis in any respect for a link between autism and vaccines or their components.

3. The original funding for this supposed research was made by lawyers who were attempting to find reason to litigate against vaccine manufacturers.

4. That many people will now die of diseases that were nearly eradicated a mere 15 years ago similar to smallpox a few years before it was eradicated.

Put that as a public service announcement on every major TV and radio channel, and online as well, as widely as possible. Show pictures of what happens when people don't vaccinate, particularly to children, the elderly and immune-compromised individuals (e.g. transplant saved his/her life, now they die). Have him make this appeal over and over again until people get this.

Even if we don't get to 100%, we owe it to everyone around us. The public health costs are staggering, and the stupidity is mind boggling.

Re:Public statement by the original study author (1)

Sockatume (732728) | about 9 months ago | (#46482721)

I don't know if you've been following, but Andrew Wakefield fled the UK and doubled down on the crazy so I don't think you'll get any of those things out of him.

Re:Public statement by the original study author (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482847)

Even if Wakefield did that, which he won't but it's fun to pretend, that would do nothing but "prove" that he "sold out" to "Big Pharma(tm)".

Wait (1)

Anrego (830717) | about 9 months ago | (#46482571)

It's a shitty solution and totally unfair to the kids, but I think it's the only solution.

Trying to reason with an "anti-vaxxer" is like trying to reason with the contrail folks. Just not going to be productive.

The only way this movement is going to die is when a sufficient number of parents watch their non-vaccinated children die or become horribly disfigured from long-since dealt with diseases.

Re:Wait (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482697)

The problem is that they are also endangering other people's children by not vaccinating. It's called herd immunity. In some places schools, both private or public, require vaccination for attendance. Because the un-vaccinated kids are a danger to public health.

Re:Wait (2)

Sockatume (732728) | about 9 months ago | (#46482761)

Unfortunately vaccination is one of those issues where their mistake (loss of group immunity) hurts someone else (endemic measles finds a ward of immunocompromised patients). That's why it's a social issue, not an individual one.

Marketing is everything. (5, Funny)

TomRC (231027) | about 9 months ago | (#46482587)

Just tell them that the vaccine is fully organic, low sodium, fat free and gluten free.

Also, it's got Electrolytes.

Re:Marketing is everything. (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 9 months ago | (#46482667)

But is it made of chemicals?

Re:Marketing is everything. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482839)

Yes, but those chemicals were made with 100% natural atoms using centuries old artisan bonding methods.

Re:Marketing is everything. (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 9 months ago | (#46482707)

It's got what plants crave!

Just tell them that the vaccine is... gluten free.

Is it really, or is that snark? I mean, I know you're making fun of treehuggers, but "gluten free" is a legitimate health concern for a lot of people.

Re:Marketing is everything. (1)

mkiwi (585287) | about 9 months ago | (#46482785)

I know how to get through to the anti-vaxxers. Just have half of the characters on Game of Thrones die due to measles, small pox, etc... and make sure that the ones who died were the most compelling personalities. Come to think about it, you could also inform about STDs in a similar way...

Its my religious right (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482603)

to leave my children unvaccinated, pray for them to not die when i starve them to death, murder infidels, and force other people to be denied an education because i dont want my kids learning how we are animals.

Jail them (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46482649)

I'm serious. This is a public health issue, and they're reducing the effectiveness of health initiatives for everyone around them. I'm not keen on giving the government the power to say, "let us stick this needle in your arm, or we're going to toss you in prison," but, as a society, we're quickly reaching a point at which we need to decide whether we have the right to protect society itself from the stupidity of the vocal minority. Slippery slope, I get it, but it's no false dichotomy to point out that the only other real option is to ignore them, and accept the consequences thereof.

Just leave 'em to it (0)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 9 months ago | (#46482653)

How do you think we can get through to the anti-vaxxers?

Let nature take its course. Evolution in action.

Anti-Vaxxers? Try Population Density (1, Interesting)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 9 months ago | (#46482675)

Point fingers at "anti-vaxxers" all you want, that's not the root of the issue (not to say that it's not an issue). So long as we keep cramming more and more humans into smaller and smaller areas, we're just begging for a pandemic to come through and wipe out a fair amount of the population.

Think about new "super-diseases" like MRSA, or H041 Gonorrhea, which some experts are saying is a worse STD than AIDS. [rt.com]

No vaccination is going to save you from disease-related death if you're all crammed together like cattle in a slaughter shoot.

Re:Anti-Vaxxers? Try Population Density (2)

Viol8 (599362) | about 9 months ago | (#46482817)

Oh rubbish. People lived in far closer proximity in medieval times than they do now. Apart from the black death which only happened once in a big way with a few smaller outbreaks over the centuries and spanish flu (which isn't bothered by proximity anyway), there haven't been any major pandemics that have come close to wiping us out.

Message (1)

jmv (93421) | about 9 months ago | (#46482699)

As far as I'm concerned, the message should be:

"Here's the only link between vaccines and autism: if you don't vaccinate your children, they might die before they can even be diagnosed with autism."

How much of this is caused by antivax supporters? (1)

mark-t (151149) | about 9 months ago | (#46482709)

I've heard it said before that preventable disease outbreaks like this happen because children who are typically not yet old enough to be vaccinated come into contact with a more mature individual who was never vaccinated.

If so, it seems to me that the only reason this kind of thing keeps happening is because of THEIR choice... and their choice is directly affecting the lives of other children that they could communicate the disease to.

As for how to really get them to support vaccinations? I can only suggest something that is at least mostly preventable through vaccination, but particularly virulent and lethal as what may be the only thing to have any impact. It won't necessarily convince them to do anything about it if they succumb themselves, but the memory of the incident will stick around for at least a couple of generations in the survivors.

Jail (1)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | about 9 months ago | (#46482715)

Simply make them criminally liable for any other people who catch measles from them or their children.

Also revoke their health care coverage. And eliminate excused exemptions from vaccinations except when approved by a panel of doctors.

Meanwhile... (1)

grub (11606) | about 9 months ago | (#46482753)


... meanwhile on anti-vax FB pages that I have gotten into, they are having measles-parties, mumps-parties, and the like. Intentionally exposing their kids to disease.

*you think* your kid might become autistic, if va (3, Insightful)

fatboy (6851) | about 9 months ago | (#46482759)

Ok, so *you think* your kid might become autistic, if vaccinated.... Better to have a live autistic child than one that is dead from whooping cough.

When it came time to discuss this with our DR, she said to us, "You don't want to see what it's like to watch a child die from whooping cough." It took about 2 seconds for my wife and I to process that, and decide what the larger risk is.

Cut them off (4, Insightful)

Swampash (1131503) | about 9 months ago | (#46482773)

If you don't vaccinate your child, fine. But if you reject society like that then expect society to reject you.

No vaccination? Forbidden from attending school. Forbidden from visiting a doctor. Forbidden from visiting any public facilities like libraries, train stations, or airports. Forbidden from riding a bus or train or taxi.

Simple: Let them die. (1)

UberNex (525816) | about 9 months ago | (#46482787)

Easy - let them die of measles. If they chose not to be vaccinated they can choose to die of an easily preventable disease. Then throw a big party celebrating them being gone.
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