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Japan Will Have To Wait For Xbox

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the ebay-plus-shipping-equals-profit dept.

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securitas contributed a link to this New York Times article which indicates a delay in the Japanese release of the Xbox. "MS insists it's going to meet its Nov. 8 North American release date. I'll believe it when I see it. Also, Namco has signed on to produce 4 games for Xbox including 2 exclusives." Ledge adds a link to this AP story carried by Fox News as well: upshot is that units won't go on sale in Japan till Feb. 22. (A chart comparing announced vs. actual dates for all the consoles would be interesting, since they all seem to be delayed.)

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235 comments

M$ (-1, Troll)

manon (112081) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224560)

Good thing... Xbox is M$ isn't it?

Re:M$ (-1)

Klerck (213193) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224578)

You couldn't even be bothered to read the summary?

Fucking idiot.

Re:M$ (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224827)

Why hasn't this been modded down? Is it because the moderators are dumb-ass Linux weenies who think "Microsoft - bad - four legs - good"?

Watch this post get modded down faster than the idiotic parent.

Xbox vs others (2)

chrysalis (50680) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224562)

How does the Xbox compare with Gamecube, PS2, etc ?
Is it possible to install Linux or BSD on a Xbox ?

Re:Xbox vs others (1)

windi (231689) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224596)

AFAIK the XBox runs on Intel hardware so it should be doable to get Linux or BSD running on it, but I'm pretty sure that MS put in some weird BIOS or firmware that disables the booting of other Operating Systems.

All I know of the Gamecube is that it is based on some kind of PPC CPU and I think an ATI video chip.

The PS2 is IMHO the bestchoice of the 3 because it is powerfull and Linux is officially sold for it by Sony (albeit only in Japan right now, but hopefully this will change).

Re:Xbox vs others (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224605)

You decide: Currently, XBox's "killer hits" are: Oddworld: Munche's odyssey, Dead or Alive 3, and Halo. These are also exclusive to XBox. PS2's upcoming "killer hits" are: Metal Gear Solid 2, Final Fantasy X, and Tekken 4. Gamecube's upcoming "killer hits" are: Star Wars Rogue Leader: Rogue Squadron 2, Luigi's Mansion, and Metroid Prime. Gameboy Advance's upcoming "killer hits" are: Super Mario Advance 2, Doom, and Metroid IV. I've only named 3 games per system, however, these are the most mentioned and talked about in gaming magazines and sites. Now take the price comparisons for only the system itself: XBox: $299.00 PS2: $299.00 (expected to drop) Gamecube: $199.00 Gameboy Adv. ~$89.00 Also take into comparison how long each system has been out: XBox: delayed, PS2: Oct. 26, 2000, Gamecube: delayed, Gameboy Adv. Jun. 11, 2001. Of course, Gameboy Advance is different in that it is portable, however, it IS a system that has an extremely strong history. I really hope that there is more of a console war than from just 2 manufacturers (Sony & Nintendo). For XBox to get noticed and compete with the big "N" and "S", it will HAVE to get better exclusive games in it's lineup. Dead or Alive 3 is nothing new, just a better Dead or Alive 2, and Oddworld is well, just Oddworld. The one game I am hoping that will become great is Halo. And YES, I think someone WILL install Linux or BSD onto XBox's hard drive. I really hope so, I could use a good M.A.M.E. box. Now THIS is a "KILLER APP".

Re:Xbox vs others (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224776)

You forget that Microsoft is getting their own copy of Metal Gear Solid 2 (innovatively dubbed "Metal Gear Solid X") and Silent Hill ("Silent Hill X").

Re:Xbox vs others (1)

Dacobi (315664) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224654)

The Xbox is a PC in a fancy cover and it will most
certainly be hacked so that other OS's can be installed. Wether this is going to require hardware hacking, I don't know, but it _WILL_ be hacked :)

Now Here comes an utopian dream of mine :)
Since the Xbox is more or less running a
GeForce 3.5 (or whatever) and Nvidias Linux Drivers are very PnP, what are the chances that they will simply detect the Xbox GPU as a Geforce 3 or 4?

Think about it! You buy some very nice hardware from M$, who actually looses money by selling it to you. You then proceed to installing Linux and the Nvidia Linux drivers, and you have a KICKASS Linux Gaming Machine that M$ helped finance :)

Re:Xbox vs others (2)

AndrewHowe (60826) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224674)

No, for the nth time, and n is getting large, the Xbox is not a PC. It has a Pentium III processor. It has a custom nVidia GPU. You can get Mac G4's with GeForce3's, they're not specifically PC hardware.
Xbox executables will be encrypted (well) so good luck trying to run your own stuff!

Re:Xbox vs others (1)

Dacobi (315664) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224709)

>No, for the nth time, and n is getting large, the
>Xbox is not a PC. It has a Pentium III
>processor. It has a custom nVidia GPU. You can
>get Mac G4's with GeForce3's, they're not
>specifically PC hardware.

Are you saying that the Xbox doesn't use AGP/PCI/IDE? If not how does it handle IO between
the GPU/Memory/Harddrive/Controllers?

It _IS_ a x86 platform and if win2000 can be
modified to run on that platform, so can Linux and *BSD.

>Xbox executables will be encrypted (well) so
>good luck trying to run your own stuff!

I'd be pretty amazed if that encryption is hardware based as opposed to implemented in win2000.

What I'm talking about is wiping the Xbox completely and loading it up with a (probably somewhat modified) version of *NIX. when you do this you remove any form of "encryption" that MS has put in there to annoy you.

I fully believe that it will be possible to run Linux on the Xbox, but I didn't say it was going to be easy.

By the way, the idea I had about the Nvidia Linux driver was listed as an "utopian dream".

Re:Xbox vs others (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224750)

"Are you saying that the Xbox doesn't use AGP/PCI/IDE? If not how does it handle IO between the GPU/Memory/Harddrive/Controllers?" Magic. It's all done by magic nowadays. Pffft. Anyway good luck on getting Linux running on the XBox, though I would recommend chasing women instead and actually making something of your life instead of hiding from the light in your parent's den.

Re:Xbox vs others (1)

haruharaharu (443975) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224818)

I'd be pretty amazed if that encryption is hardware based as opposed to implemented in win2000.

That'd be a trick, as the win2k kernel is bound to everything else on the game disc.

What I'm talking about is wiping the Xbox completely and loading it up with a (probably somewhat modified) version of *NIX. when you do this you remove any form of "encryption" that MS has put in there to annoy you.

Goood luck. There isn't anything to wipe, and the encryption is most likely not accessible to anything you can load from disc.

Amazing! (1)

13Echo (209846) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224831)

Intel Pentium III based processor, x86 instruction set, Nvidia GPU, Microsoft Operating System...

Your're right. It doesn't sound like a PC at all. Maybe it is a WebTV unit?

Re:Amazing! (2)

AndrewHowe (60826) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224942)

"Intel Pentium III based processor": yes, I already said that.
"x86 instruction set": -1, Redundant (Duh)
"Nvidia GPU": yes, already said that, available on Mac G4s as well as PCs.
"Microsoft Operating System": As seen on Pocket PCs, WebTV, Dreamcast etc...
None of those things make the Xbox a PC.

Re:Xbox vs others XP... (1)

d3l3t3_m3 (322756) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224700)

Of course you'll be able to install Linux in it though I suspect XP to be installed in it in a few months. With all the new range of possibilities that web applications can offer and the new xml libraries that XP offers, there's no doubt that XBOX is the new WEBtv of M$.

Come on, wake up people...

forget DotGNU it's way behind... unless...

I fuck the Xbox with my penis (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224563)

luckily My mom sucks my ass. I eat the anus of the peruvian sloth. Then I cum on a goats back. Ahh, such is the life of a self professed part time geek, and full time nerd. Whats a fella to do with himself ?

I think I'll go stick my dick in the margarine , I cant believe its not butter !

Re:I fuck the Xbox with my penis (0)

Trollificus (253741) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224616)

"Whats a fella to do with himself ?"

Grab a camera and take some pics so we at home can share in your delight.

Japan - other tech. (3, Interesting)

odaiwai (31983) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224565)

Japan always seems to go its own way on a lot of techie things. Given the dominance of homegrown consoles in that market, is it likely that MSFT will take it over?

What about localisation issues for XBox, availability of games. local titles?

Some of the big games in the arcades here (China) are dancing games, drumming games, piano playing games (!), all very far away from traditional console fare. I've seen accessories for these for various consoles. Question, are MSFT going to push games which do well in their home market weirdness and ignore local weirdness?

dave "no mr. bond, i expect you to dance!"

Re:Japan - other tech. (2)

Shaheen (313) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224890)

Local weirdness is determined by the developers, not the manufacturer. Granted, the manufacturer is the one that approves titles to be released. However, it is ironic that a manufacturer should nix any title (because it just means more royalties - remember, the loss of the console itself is made up on software royalties).

Therefore, it makes perfect sense for Microsoft (and therefore Sony and Nintendo) to approve many 3rd party titles for release. Nintendo was pretty stuck up in the N64 days, taking the opinion that 3rd party support wasn't necessary to win against Sony and SEGA. Unfortunately, while their content was certainly good, it wasn't enough.

So, do I know if Microsoft will focus on American games? No.. but I don't think it's in their best interests to do so.

buying time (1)

jubandhu (186082) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224567)

With the current dismal Japanese support now, it won't sell in Japan. How much more support can they find with the 2 months delay they just bought themselves?

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It's all about the games (2)

IvyMike (178408) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224571)

...and the Xbox, in spite of "Halo", really doesn't have anything to compare to established game line that Nintendo is going to roll out for the Gamecube. While the Xbox looks like a nice system on paper, it's not going to be the "system to get" for Xmas 2001.

On the other hand, it has the marketing might of Microsoft behind it, a host of people who understand x86 and DirectX programming for it, and a sweet architecture. Xmas 2002 might be more interesting.

Re:It's all about the games (-1)

Klerck (213193) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224583)

You're dead wrong. Working retail, I can tell you that the only thing people are interested in right now is the Xbox.

Cars Vs OS (2, Funny)

Mattygfunk (517948) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224572)

No car racing games please. I'm sure we'll see enough crashes.

Hahaha (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224815)

Hahahahahahahaha...

Wait a second, that wasn't funny.

Take that Japan! (5, Funny)

krmt (91422) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224574)

That's what you get for making us wait forever for all your game systems!

And for not releasing any RPG's during the NES era!

And for dumbing down what RPG's you did release!

And for not releasing the Linux kit for the PS/2 here!

And for giving us all that tentacle pr0n! *shudder*

And most of all... that's for the fan abuse at the end of Evangelion!

So there!

Re:Take that Japan! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224608)

once again the moderators prove their worth: if racism doesn't deserve a ++, what does?

Re:Take that Japan! (0)

Trollificus (253741) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224627)

Hey, don't knock tentacle pr0n, fucker!

Re:Take that Japan! (2)

Refrag (145266) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224797)

Yeah... this is what I thought at first for about a split second. Then I realized this: what self-respecting Japanese gamer is going to want an Xbox anyway?

Re:Take that Japan! (2)

tb3 (313150) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224944)

that's for the fan abuse at the end of Evangelion!


Bitch, bitch, bitch. Death and Rebirth/End of Evangelion are coming out early next year from Manga. Supposedly, that should satisfy your complaints about the end of the TV series.


And check the trailers for Final Fantasy X. It looks beautiful, and the north american version is said to have decent voice acting.


I'll give you the tentacle pr0n, though. What are they thinking?

Ok. That's it. PS2 for me! (1)

Jeppe Salvesen (101622) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224576)

I think it's about time I got my finger out of my ****** and got myself a PS2. I'll wait until the release of the xbox. Hopefully, they'll slash prices by then, and I also want to contribute to PS2 keeping up with the xbox. DirectX schmirect x. Does it have anything like the emotion engine?

Re:Ok. That's it. PS2 for me! (1)

James Foster (226728) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224706)

Does it have anything like the emotion engine?
Uh, yeah... in fact, the X-Box sports an NV25. Pretty much a beefed-up GeForce 3. Thanks to that, it can out-perform the PS2 quite easily.
In my opinion though, the X-Box will suffer from a lack of great games and will probably be telefragged by the GameCube. Thats just my opinion though.

Re:Ok. That's it. PS2 for me! (1)

LaundroMat (517379) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224926)

Please elaborate your "outperform" statement. I'd like to see what you are basing this on.

The truth (1)

ioman1 (474363) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224577)

The truth is that Microsoft will be using the Xbox's intended for Japan as backups in case the demand is to great. I suspect that if the launch is short of spectactular and the excess systems are not needed, then the Japanese launch will go on as previously scheduled.

Re:The truth (2)

anticypher (48312) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224635)

Securitas said MS insists it's going to meet its Nov. 8 North American release date. I'll believe it when I see it.

M$ will certainly ship the north american X-box in time for the X-mas season, even if it is full of bugs [theregister.co.uk] or has some major safety problems. The only time to make large advances in marketshare come during the christmas season in the U.S., so M$ would rather risk a recall or later fix if they can grab 40% of the game console market this year.

If the X-box does take off, they will then ramp up production and get units into secondary markets, or, as ioman1 points out, if the U.S. sales aren't spectacular Japan will see suddenly have a bunch of consoles available. But given the state of the world's economies right now, any product manager who mis-calculates demand could cost a company $$$billions if inventory just sits unsold in warehouses.

the AC

Re:The truth (1)

gfxguy (98788) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224910)

I was going to post just that if I didn't see it...

I'm sure MS will make it's deadline - ready or not, here it comes. I'm guessing not.

What you say? (2, Funny)

jwakko (68476) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224580)

You mean I'm going to have to wait 3 and a half months before I can get my imports?

What are you waiting for, christmas? (1)

Spootnik (518145) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224636)

Swim overseas to get your own Xbox now!

Re:What are you waiting for, christmas? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224869)

The XBox is so damned big it could float over by itself.

XBox is already too late (3, Insightful)

sakusha (441986) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224585)

It's already too late for the XBox. More delays in the Japan release will just mean fewer titles developed in Japan. The machine will flop in Japan, and if it flops in Japan, it will be a worldwide flop.

Now the REAL question is, since Bungie was bought out by M$, are they going to keep their promise and do a simultaneous Mac/PC/XBox release, or will M$ shaft everyone and force them to do an initial release on XBox only?

Re:XBox is already too late (1)

Justen (517232) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224598)

No doubt. The Japanese companies are simply more intune with the gaming market that Microsoft seems to be. Console developers everywhere but America will take one look at the Xbox and laugh; they are console developers, not PC software makers.

If Microsoft wants the Xbox to suceed, they're going to have to look at their product in a worldview. Because this so-far displayed American-centric view is going to get them nowhere.

jrbd

Re:XBox is already too late (1)

Matt Lee (2725) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224607)

Bungie never promised a simultaneous PC/Mac/Xbox release for Halo. Xbox comes first, PC/Mac later.

Re:XBox is already too late (2)

sakusha (441986) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224704)

Bungie never promised a simultaneous PC/Mac/Xbox release for Halo. Xbox comes first, PC/Mac later.

Both Microsoft and Bungie have publicly promised a simultaneous release on Mac/PC/Xbox, on multiple occasions. Like for example:

http://www.imgmagazine.com/news/story.php?Articl eI D=605

It is the Playstation 2 release that will lag.

Re:XBox is already too late (1)

Alan Partridge (516639) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224640)

hang on, the Amiga was nowhere in Japan - would you consider that a flop?

Re:XBox is already too late (1)

wct (45593) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224669)

Seeing as they had a huge edge in technology but are now...non-existent...then yes.

And I'm speaking as someone who had an original 1000, with the paw-print mobo, in '86.

Re:XBox is already too late (1)

Alan Partridge (516639) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224711)

nothing lasts forever, especially in the games machine market (and let's face it, the Amiga WAS a games machine). The fact that Commodore managed to sell what 6, 7 million machines has to be considered SOMETHING of a success. When I was at school, it was the No.1 machine to have and had ALL the best games. Megadrive (Genesis?) was pretty feeble by comparison.

Re:XBox is already too late (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224752)

"(and let's face it, the Amiga WAS a games machine)."
Uhh, no it wasn't. Maybe for you it was, but I bought my Amiga for video manipulation and coding. The fact that it could run Civ was a bonus.

Re:XBox is already too late (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224782)

Initial release on xbox :-( Might have to get one now.

Re:XBox is already too late (1)

kko (472548) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224817)

"and if it flops in Japan, it will be a worldwide flop"...
Thats right on the money, bub... In fact, most successful consoles come out in Japan (aka Videogame Mecca) first!

Flop in Japan == World Wide Flop? (2)

flatrock (79357) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224867)

Ok, yes Japan is the hear and sould of current console market. Japanese companies have developed the market, and currently rule supreme. But the kinds of games Japanese customers buy are often somewhat different, and the Japaneese market is actually smaller than the US market. It's going to take MS longer to produce games for the Japanese market. If they rush the release there, then they will flop there.

Microsoft has done well in the PC gaming market, and the xbox may allow them to extend that market into consoles. They may not initially lure away many hard core console gamers, but it they can get a good initial response in the US, then they will lure in more developers to create games for the Japanese market, and also get more traditional console style games written for their platform. For XBox to be successful they need to have solid hardware, and have a good development kit. I've hear many times how the PS2 is just too hard to develop for. If Microsoft can get enought consoles in consumers hands, and the developers like to develop for it, then it will be a success.

Re:Flop in Japan == World Wide Flop? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224889)

Shall I pull your other finger now?

Why don't you get a clue? As a console developer it's just too fucking painful to read drivel like the above.

Re:Flop in Japan == World Wide Flop? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224932)

Hee hee hee. It's funny watching people from closed little markets running scared as the mighty Microsoft comes along and introduces some proper competition. Flame all you like, you and your rubbish technology are going down.

Re:XBox is already too late (2)

Shaheen (313) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224878)

Well, if you've been keeping up on real gaming news (and I mean real gaming sites - not this Slashdot category BS), then you'd know that they are not going to release Halo simultaneously on Mac/PC/Xbox. It will be Xbox exclusive for a while, and the Mac/PC ports are planned at the moment (and being worked on, which I was told by a friend at Bungie).

Delay is normal (1)

gounthar (212393) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224588)

Why bother pointing out that the XBox release will encounter some delays?

It happened frequently with almost all the consoles since the dawn of humanity

do you really think the Japanese care? (0)

GaylordFucker (465080) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224590)

of course not... they don't care about the XBox... because look at what they have... Playstation (PS2 not too mention), coming soon Gamecube, Dreamcast... blah blah... so i don't think the Japanese care one bit... and you shouldn't either

JAPSCAT (-1, Troll)

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Re:JAPSCAT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224609)

let's get this down low where it belongs

bad business decision perhaps? (1)

Ankou (261125) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224595)

Is it me or is this a bad move on the part of Microsoft to not sell to Japan until after the Christmass season? First off this gives Sony Playstation 2 and the makers of the Nintendo GameCube the power to use its financial backing in japan to slash prices in the USA. After all the biggest amount of buyers of consoles and games are in Japan. Did anyone else notice that on ebworld the GameCube comes out a full 10 days after the projected date of the Xbox? It used to be that the GameCube was comming out 5 days earlier than the Xbox, guess Microsoft felt the competition eh. I wonder if that time difference will make a difference.

Re:bad business decision perhaps? (1)

Graymalkin (13732) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224625)

Considering the locations of XBox production facilities it isn't suprising Microsoft is waiting for after Christmas to toss their hat into the Japanese market. Sony and Nintendo can spank their asses in console deliveries in the Christmas buying season which would make for a pretty shallow market penetration (sorta like the PS2 not meeting the initial demand when it was released here). By starting off in the US and Europe (where they have production facilities) they can keep overhead low since they don't need to ship units overseas. That means much better margins on the units they sell. The less money they lose the quicker they make a profit which is their goal in the first place.

Christmas season.. in Japan? (1)

funky49 (182835) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224893)

How big is the Christmas season in Japan? Isn't Japan primarily Shinto(sp?) in religion?

steve

Re:Christmas season.. in Japan? (1)

gfxguy (98788) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224934)

Well, going by what I learned from a history class (taught by a Japanese teacher), in which we spent a third of a semester studying Japan, they love Christmas.


She basically said they like adopting the best parts of things - they may not be Christian, but they like Christmas - even so far as "importing" Americans to play Santa. Let's face it - Christmas is only half regligious, at best. If we think about time spent, it's probably less than 5% religious. The rest is all about presents, decorations, and seeing friends and family.

Re:bad business decision perhaps? (2)

flatrock (79357) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224912)

It's a question of if Microsoft has games for the Japanese market to go along with the console. I keep hearing how the japanese console market is different from the US and European markets. If MS doesn't have the games, then they shouldn't release it in Japan. It's better to hold off a few months than to flop.

Remember also that the Japanese economy has been in pretty bad shape for several years, and with our economy not exactly in the best shape I doubt Sony is going to have a really good christmas season in Japan this year. Their console has already been out a year, and if they drop the price of the console to maintain market share, then they are goint to lose even more money on each console. I'm not sure what to think about Nintendo. They have an awsome product in the gameboy advance. It would be even better if it were backlit, but it's still awsome. I'm just not sure if they'll be able to pull off the Gamecube.
Microsoft has the two things that can allow them to get a foothold in the market despite their entrenched competition. They have a well known name, and lots of money. With the release of XP they are going to have lots of cash comming in. They can definately sell at a loss much longer than Nintendo. Sony's consumer electronics division hasn't made much money for several years, but they may be able to siphon money off of their Music sales to keep fund selling their PS2s at a loss to keep market share. It looks like we're going to see a battle in the console market. Hopefully we'll end up with lower prices, good games, and some strong competition. It's kind of weird that Microsoft is the one bringing competioion to a market that's currently dominated by Sony.

Xbox Nazi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224601)

No Xbox for you!! No Xbox for you!! You come back in 6 months!!

Re:Xbox Nazi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224631)

No Xbox for you!! No Xbox for you!! You come back in 6 months!!

You Seinfield freak. :)

Re:Xbox Nazi (0)

Trollificus (253741) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224632)

Ahh, I see you've met my friend Jim.

Lucky Bastards (1)

Alan Partridge (516639) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224620)

I'm going to put together a petition to insist that MS permanently delays XBOX in the UK too. Who's with me?

Re:Lucky Bastards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224670)

Jurassic Park.

Re:Lucky Bastards (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224684)

Twat! That was a goal.

Re:Lucky Bastards (1)

Alan Partridge (516639) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224715)

ah! I see you remember me from my days doing Sports Report, or possibly my brief stint on The Day Today team. Great days... great days...

Re:Lucky Bastards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224786)

Me, and the 3 other slashdotters who agree with you!

Pokemon debacle all over again. (0)

Trollificus (253741) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224622)

"...indicates a delay in the Japanese release of the Xbox."

I guess they figured the flashing blue and red startup screen wasn't such a good idea afterall.

Warning! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224630)

Warning, mod the parent down, goatsex link detected!
(If not, then there damn well should be one. Trolls, get busy!)

Re:Warning! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224639)

okay [goatse.cx]

-Klerck logged in as someone else, but too busy to log out.

Re:Warning! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224656)

You stupid fuck! You have to stealthify your URL!

Xbox is a great Microsoft product (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224634)

There are two problems with Microsoft products compared to real open source products:
* Since all the code is closed, you cant build on top of whats done before. If you want a Word Processor with feature X, you cant add that feature, you have to start building a Word Processor from scratch.
* Since the marketing department wants backward compability (some director wants to run a DOS-program for the financial analysis) - and since its closed source (you cant change/recompile the strange program, you have to build in support in the operating system)... it just gets more and more bloated.

None of this problems exists for games. A good game is a game that does something totally new... not a game that is an improvement of earlier versions. There is little point in letting the users add features to games (like letting me implement nuclear bombs for Doom multiplayer)... most likely it will just ruin the games. Games are best developed by a closed department, where all have the same idea of the gameplay, not in an open environment...

Im sure Microsoft will build a great Xbox.. I bought a Microsoft mouse four years ago. Xbox is going to be the next Microsoft product Im going to buy.

Re:Xbox is a great Microsoft product (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224777)

Total nonsense.

- You can add functionality to Microsoft products - ever heard of VBA?
- the worst bloat is in open-source products. Look at Mozilla (My eyes! The goggles do nothing!)
- there is hella point in letting developers add features to games. Ever played Counter Strike?

Tips to improve your trolling:

- kill yourself.

Microsoft could quite well deliver on time... (0, Troll)

r_newman (40868) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224661)

... let's not forget, they can always release the bug fixes at a later point, as they do with all of their products. In fact, releleasing the X-B(oll)ox on time with a number of bugs would only make them money... you DON'T think they'll give away their "upgrades" free, do you?

software the problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224708)

i'd read or seen on tv somewhere that the reason for this delay was software because there were not enough RPGs and real time strategy games ready to go.

at least microsoft's not pulling an atari and not caring about what games are released where :P

Let's see, I want an Xbox for... (1, Troll)

Powercntrl (458442) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224712)

1. Hack value. You *know* someone will get Linux running on that thing. At the very least I could gut it for the CPU and return it. (It's manufactured by the evil empire, they can deal with some fradulent RMA.) Wait, with Intel's recent price cuts, by the time the Xbox is released, a P3 750MHz would probably cost less than the gas it would take to drive to and from the store. Oh well.

2. It's not easily confused with an IBM PS/2. But wait, that still doesn't make me want one. Shit.

3. It looks cool. I can impress all my... Nevermind.

4. I could play boatloads of cutting-egde, white-knuckle, edge-of-your-seat, blast-in-your-face 3D hyper-accelerated games. Hmm, Duke Nukem Forever is still vaporware and probably won't be released for Xbox anyway. Guess not then.

5. It will make my writeups on E2 get C!'d and give me lots of /. karma. No it won't, why the fsck I write that? I think I'm being hit with a Microsoft Mind Control Beam(TM).

6. I can get something high-tech before the Japanese. Only problem... Microsoft != High Tech

Gee, I guess I DON'T want an Xbox!

Re:Let's see, I want an Xbox for... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224781)

Oh dear. Have fun playing Tux Racer!

Re:Let's see, I want an Xbox for... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224790)

I don't think he's too big on Windows-Only games either.

This certainly makes quick witticism a little difficult:

Slow Down Cowboy!

Slashdot requires you to wait 20 seconds between hitting 'reply' and submitting a comment.

It's been 18 seconds since you hit 'reply'!

XBOX makes me want to... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224716)

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    Used to clothes
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    Coming through like bulldozers
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    Bum bitches know better than to start shit
    Niggas love a hard bitch
    One that get up in a nigga's ass quicker than an enema
    Make a cat bleed then sprinkle it with vinegar
    Kidnap the senator
    Make him call his wife and say he never coming home
    Kim got him in a zone beating they dicks
    Even got some of these straight chicks rubbing their tits
    [*laughs*]
    What? I'm loving this shit
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    What bitch you know can thug it like this?
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    And if I was dude
    I'd tell y'all to suck my dick

    (Ay yo, come on here bitch)
    Nigga FUCK YOU
    (No, FUCK YOU BITCH)
    Who you talking to?
    (Why you actin' like a BITCH?)
    Cause y'all niggas ain't shit
    And if I was dude
    I'd tell y'all to suck my dick

    I'mma keep it real
    For the dough I might kill
    I'm try-na see my face on a hundred dollar bill
    Met this dude name Jaleel at this Abdulla fight
    He said he'd pay me ten grand just to belly dance
    Cum all on his pants
    I met him at the studio
    He showed up with his homeboy named Julio
    I said 'Whoa! Who's the other guy?'
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    Something about him, I knew he was a phony
    Put the burner in his mouth
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    In his homeboy's whips like he got mad cars
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    Thinkin' they gon' get some pussy but they gets none


FUCK SLASHDOT BITCH! DDOS POST OF COMMENTS.PL STARTED!

Screw that (2)

BIGJIMSLATE (314762) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224724)

So? The US market is MS' primary market, and with Nintendo's date being moved back 2 weeks, Microsoft has a chance to actually sell this unit. Sure, the Japanese market would help, but I don't see this console doing well their anyways (WAAAAAY too bulky for most Japanese, most prefer a smaller item like the GCN).

Re:Screw that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224803)

Exactly, japanese consumers do not like large consumer electronics. The Xbox is huge compared to most japanese consoles. its about the size of 2 playstations stacked. Also there doesnt seem to be much japanese game support just a bunch of reject pc titles and dead or alive 3.

Launch Date Irrelevence (1)

squaretorus (459130) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224748)

I seriously think that we all over estimate the importance of launch date of a new console. Just look at the PS2- only now, with the ads for GT3 saturating the evening TV am I inclined to part with £300 for one - it's been around for AGES, theres a couple of spanky new machines just around the corner, but ONE GOOD GAME and I'm most likely going to get one this weekend.

Which was launched first? The Saturn, PS, N64??? dunno! but the few decent games for the Saturn just weren't as good as those for the PS or N64 - so it was dooooomed.

Its all about the games!

Re:Launch Date Irrelevence (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224937)

Its all about the games!

B*llocks. It's all about marketing. The Dreamcast is a good example -- Sega have loads of decent titles but the machine is dead in the water due to poor sales and Sega not breaking even on their debts.

I think that it is pretty clear to anyone (2, Interesting)

levinas (516658) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224768)

That the Xbox is gonna flop and flop hugh.

1, There are few developers, apart from M$ and Bungie willing to develop for it and those that do have little or no console experience. btw who whats to play pc games on a tv anyway.

2. It is overpriced for a consoles (around $299) and underpowered for a computer 600mh.

3. It is marketed towards the 16 to 25 market who are the most likely to own a computer and have no use for a Xbox anyway.

4. It is badly designed for a console, who whats a hard disk in their console, what do you do in case of a harddisk crash.

5. If you are into that cut down puter, intergrated graphics, sound and processor philosophy then Nvidia are about to bring out the nforce + there will prob be a million clone's even when the thing flops.

In short, the Xbox takes all the disadvantages of a console, such as the inablity to upgrade, low processor power, closed archtechure and paying to develop for it. While it add's all the disadvantages of a computer like bad design, hardware bloat and poor software implementation (ie directx).
I predict that M$ will both miss the us release date and not even attempt to sell the thing in japan.
The Xbox is the bastard child of anti-ps2 vapourware that even the marketing of M$ will never be able to sell.

Re:I think that it is pretty clear to anyone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224792)

Drivel. Honestly, the kids on Slashdot get more porridge-brained by the day. Let's just utterly refute his first point; you can be assured that the rest of his post is just as stupid but I don't have time to teach IT to idiots.

1, There are few developers, apart from M$
(Ed: Haw! Haw! M $, eh? Way to stick it to da man! Honestly, how old is this moron? 13?) and Bungie willing to develop for it and those that do have little or no console experience
A list of some companies signed up to deliver XBox titles:

Sega, Capcom, Konami, Tecmo, Altus, From Software and Namco.

No console experience there, then.

Re:I think that it is pretty clear to anyone (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224802)

Deliver PortBox ports, idiot.

If they haven't been canned, like most of EA's PortBox ports.

Re:I think that it is pretty clear to anyone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224861)

the Sega games are new, DoA3 is new, Halo is new, Namco are creating original products.
What's your problem anyway?
Did Mommy buy you the wrong console?

Re:I think that it is pretty clear to anyone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224895)

Awww, the liddle flopbox fanboy is having trouble listing all the killer titles for his liddle pc.

Halo? You mean that pc game that was laughed off the E3 floor? You're out of date fanboy, no one tries to brag about that turd anymore.

And a bunch of other 'unnamed' awesome titles, yeah right, welcome to failure putz. Time to get to know the Dreamcast and Amiga losers in the dead system club. Buh bye!

Re:I think that it is pretty clear to anyone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224902)

He didn't have any trouble at all. You're having a damn difficult time smacking the Xbox down, though.

Halo will be great, when it's run on an actual machine. Some fat nerds didn't like the preview running on the wrong hardware? Whoop-dee-doo. None of the Xbox's target market pays attention to those loser geeks anyway.

Re:I think that it is pretty clear to anyone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224820)


The Xbox is going to fail just because you hate Microsoft?

No developers? Get the straight facts. What about Sega, Namco, Konami, Capcom, Electronic Arts, Acclaim, Tecmo, Infogrames, Thq, Activision, Eidos, Midway, and the list goes on.

If you say that gamers don't need or want a harddrive why is Sony selling one for PS2.

You say that kids would rather buy a pc?
- Their target audience can't afford a pc so advanced.

I could continue but got better things to do..

Re:I think that it is pretty clear to anyone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224835)

Companies are canceling PortBox ports faster than MS can pay off new companies to port their PS2 titles.

Awww! Your liddle fake console is dead before it even ships.

Go back to jerking yourself to MS press releases..

Oi, PS2 fanboy, prove yourself. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224848)

Back this up or fuck off.

Re:I think that it is pretty clear to anyone (1)

levinas (516658) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224898)

I really dont care either or bout Microsoft.

I admit that I wrote the post rather quickly and should have done a bit more research, esp on the first point. It is not one of my best post's

but who the hell cares it's only a opinion piece anyway and who what to be involved in some point counter-point flamefest.

And my opinion, being someone who sell's and buys shit like this everyday (I wont tell you my job but it does involve a commission) I would not stock this product, esp right now, since it will not move and at the end of the day someone has to move unit's

While it is all right to base a religion on success or failure (be it windowsXP, linux or whatever) of a product since all you stand to lose is a few hundred dollars. I have not got that luxury since I would stand to lose a lot more that that.

To close in my opinion the Xbox is a dog which will flop.

Re:I think that it is pretty clear to anyone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224905)

You should do some customer research. Most frontline retailers know that Xbox is hot shit at the moment.

Xbox Specs (2, Informative)

muffen (321442) | more than 12 years ago | (#2224830)

*Four game controller ports
*A front-loading DVD tray
*An Ethernet card
*An NVIDIA graphics processing unit (GPU)
*An Intel 733MHz processor
*An internal hard drive
(information taken from xbox.com [xbox.com] )

How does Xbox compare to others? Well, it has a NIC in it. This is something that no other console has. I am sure that this will increase the popularity of the XBox alot, since it is going to be easy to connect it to the internet using high-speed internet such as xDSL and Cable.

The XBox will also have a Hardrive. I am not sure how this will work, but I asume you will have to "install" games. This does allow for faster loading times.

Finally, the console is made by MS. No matter how much people dislike MS, it is clear that they will be able to get a lot of game developers on their "side".

I just read through my post and realized how much pro-MS I sound :(. However, I do actually think that the XBox could end up being a really cool console.

Re:Xbox Specs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224850)

Faster loading from a harddrive? Guess you've never written a game before...

A lot of developers on their side? You have no idea how funny that sounds.

The PortBox will be a short lived dead end console just like the Dreamcast.

PS2 and GC/GBA are the only platforms to support for this console cycle.

Buy a fucking PortBox if you don't want to have to get up from your tv and walk all the way over to your pc to pc games.

Buy a real console if you want to play real console games.

Re:Xbox Specs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2224916)

If you say this three times and click your heels together, it might come true!
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