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Russian Army Spetsnaz Units Arrested Operating In Ukraine

timothy posted about 7 months ago | from the news-that-matters dept.

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An anonymous reader writes with this excerpt from The Examiner: "The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) confirmed March 16 the arrest of a group of Russians in the Zaporizhzhia (Zaporozhye) region of Ukraine. The men were armed with firearms, explosives and unspecified 'special technical means'. This follows the March 14 arrest ... of several Russians dressed black uniforms with no insignia, armed with AKS-74 assault rifles and in possession of numerous ID cards under various names. One of which was an ID card of Military Intelligence Directorate of the Russian armed forces; commonly known as 'Spetsnaz'. ... Spetsnaz commandos operating in eastern Ukraine would have the missions encompassing general ground reconnaissance of Ukrainian army units ... missions they may perform preparatory to a Russian invasion would be planting explosives at key communications choke points to hinder movement of Ukrainian forces; seizing control of roads, rail heads, bridges and ports for use by arriving Russian combat troops; and possibly capturing or assassinating Ukrainian generals or politicians in key positions ... Spetsnaz also infiltrate themselves into local populations ... Once in place they begin 'stirring the pot' of ethnic and political strife with the goal of creating violent clashes usually involving firearms and destabilizing local authority." The submitter adds links to more at Forbes, The Daily Beast, and The New Republic.

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We need a US base in the Ukraine (-1, Troll)

gurps_npc (621217) | about 7 months ago | (#46515763)

Go here: http://wh.gov/lVoFm [wh.gov] to sign a petition to the US requesting that the US lease land in Ukraine near Crimea as an Naval/Air base.

We already have an air base in Kyrgyzstan, but it is set to close next year.

This would be the perfect replacement.

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46515773)

How about we stay the fuck out of things for once and fix some problems back home.

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46515793)

Agreed

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46515795)

Yes. +5, Smartest thing I've ever read on Slashdot.

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46515933)

The US has a treaty with Ukraine and Russia that Russia is violating, so we need to step up. It would likely be best to send a small to medium detachment and put them temporarily under the control of the Ukraine government. Also plenty of intelligence officers. We don't need to direct them ourselves and generate more strife than needed.

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46516037)

The US has a treaty with Ukraine and Russia that Russia is violating, so we need to step up.

Aaaand what "treaty" would that be? (hint: there isn't one). Oh, and you're an idiot for suggesting a US troop deployment.

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (4, Insightful)

NotDrWho (3543773) | about 7 months ago | (#46516171)

so we need to step up.

And by "we" you mean everyone else but you, right? Until YOU are ready to pick up a rifle and go fight in WWIII and pay high taxes to pay for the massive war you're proposing, then STFU. The rest of us "we" have no interest in starting a World War over some pissy little region in the Ukraine whose citizens clearly want to be part of Russia more than Ukraine anyway.

But please, don't let us stop you. A plane ticket and a Ukrainian Army recruitment office await you anytime, brave comrade!

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (4, Informative)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about 7 months ago | (#46516279)

You're talking about the post-Cold War agreement to recognize their sovereignty and to not encroach on it, right? That agreement, which included the UK as well as the US and Russia, never stipulated that the other signatories had to defend Ukraine if one of them became an aggressor. It merely required that they not become aggressors themselves. If Russia is breaking that agreement, the US and UK are under no obligation to assist Ukraine, though it may be in their best interests, given that Ukraine has threatened to restart their nuclear weapons development, the abandonment of which was tied to that agreement.

Now, I'm not suggesting one way or the other about what the US or the rest of the world should do. I'm merely pointing out that the agreement you're talking about in no way obligates the US to defend Ukraine. It merely required that they leave it alone, and that in exchange Ukraine would give up their nukes.

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (4, Insightful)

Baloroth (2370816) | about 7 months ago | (#46516437)

Sure, we technically don't have to intervene. Unless we want the entire world to know that assurances of protection given in exchange for giving up their nuclear weapons are worth slightly less than the paper they're written on. Which means every country in the world will (and ought, if they intend to remain safe) seek nuclear weapons to prevent this kind of aggression in the future. You sure that humanity won't start using nuclear weapons if 90%+ of countries have them? Because I'm definitely not sure about that.

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (5, Insightful)

cold fjord (826450) | about 7 months ago | (#46516025)

How about we stay the fuck out of things for once and fix some problems back home.

1. A pity the Russians aren't saying that.

2. Ignoring problems seldom makes them go away. In fact we seem to be seeing that ignoring the Russians means they come to stay.

3. What "problems back home" do you think are going to turn out any different if the US and Western Europe turns a blind eye to Russian aggression?

4. On whose behalf are you speaking?

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (2)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 7 months ago | (#46516115)

2. Ignoring problems seldom makes them go away.

It's a venerable Russian tradition [wikipedia.org] to distract people's attention from problems by trying to direct it somewhere else. For example, to Ukraine. ;-)

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (-1, Troll)

NotDrWho (3543773) | about 7 months ago | (#46516193)

And what it Putin hadn't "turned a blind eye" to the illegal U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003?

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (5, Insightful)

wienerschnizzel (1409447) | about 7 months ago | (#46516421)

You mean to the one where the US sent in troops without any insignia with the goal of annexing Iraq as the 51st state?

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about 7 months ago | (#46516347)

1 is sort of a tu quoque argument. Additionally, Russia would argue they are fixing problems back home. They have a direct interest in access to the black sea. I'd hope most rational people would disagree with Russia's definition of home or fixing problems is, but our interest in the conflict is less direct than theirs is.

On 3: the national debt. If the military industrial complex decides our punch card is full and we've earned a free war, okay. A debt disaster is much scarier to me personally than Russia being allowed to continue having Ukraine basically in their pocket. If we have some extra money or want to raise taxes to pay for it... still no I'd much rather the money go to something useful like research.

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (4, Insightful)

gurps_npc (621217) | about 7 months ago | (#46516033)

We tried that in the late 1930's and early 1940's. We called it isolationism

It works fine as long as we are talking about tiny countries. But when major world powers start taking over countries just because, we found out what a moronic idea it was.

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (5, Informative)

Archtech (159117) | about 7 months ago | (#46516227)

For the hundredth time, please recall that the USA did not enter WW2 until the Axis powers declared war on it (or attacked it in the case of Japan). Hitler personally declared war on the USA while the latter was STILL mulling its options several days after Pearl Harbor.

The obvious moral of that particular period of history is that the USA is always willing to beat up weaker nations, but maintains a prudent neutrality in the face of anyone of its own size.

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46516049)

The same argument was used by US isolationists prior to World War II.

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (1)

JockTroll (996521) | about 7 months ago | (#46516141)

Very well, by all means go ahead and start WW3 over Ukraine. The economy will recover for sure after that. ;)

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (5, Insightful)

mi (197448) | about 7 months ago | (#46516051)

How about we stay the fuck out of things for once and fix some problems back home.

Oh, and what, may I ask, happened to these fine words?

Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.

But, if you must have a cold reason for helping this particular liberty, let me remind you, that Ukraine was a nuclear power — until it agreed to give up its nukes in exchange for guarantees given jointly by Russia, US, and UK [wikipedia.org] ... The guarantors promised to ensure Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity.

No one ever believed Russia's word, but if US and UK fail to keep theirs too, what sort of message will that send to Iran and others developing their own nuclear weapons? A very clear one: you do need these weapons to be taken seriously, and no foreign guarantees are worth the paper they are soiling...

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (5, Insightful)

TheCarp (96830) | about 7 months ago | (#46516295)

You want to know what happened to these fine words:

Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.

They were lies spoken by a politician. What is new? They were lies then, they are lies now. The people in charge of the American regieme do not actually approve of liberty for anyone but themselves and seldom ever have.

How does alliance with Saudi Arabia assure the survival and the success of liberty? Is it in the way they stone women to death for being seen in public with men who are not their husbands that does it?

How does the drug war, which has justified raids on private homes, the militarization of police, and the erosion of fair trial rights through the use of "Parallell construction" assure the survival of liberty? (and what liberty? The liberty to do as you are told? The liberty to choose not to use drugs?)

Lies is all they ever were, why do you cling to such crap?

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46516079)

What is funny was back in highschool (1998) economics class we had a discussion about Russia and "communism" and how it worked economically. We spoke about the new Russia, how they were allies with the US and how hopefully they will stay that way. But the teacher basically flat out said "Mark my words, the old Soviet Russia will come back to haunt us in within 20 years."

Boy was he right.

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (1)

NotDrWho (3543773) | about 7 months ago | (#46516103)

Agree. These idiots screaming for the U.S. to once again be the world police in this are going to stumble us right into WWIII, over a tiny part of Ukraine that clearly doesn't even want our help.

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46516127)

Because your nation along with Russia signed a treaty to protect Ukraine when they gave up nuclear weapons. If Russia is there to "protect" Ukraine so should you be.

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (1)

havexs (462346) | about 7 months ago | (#46516273)

Amen!

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46516343)

Quite right, Mr. Chamberlain.

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46516369)

Yeah, Russia just wants back all the land that they once owned. There is no us soil that Russia once owned is there?

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (0)

Jmc23 (2353706) | about 7 months ago | (#46515779)

You seem to have no clue that the behaviour your suggesting...

ah fuck, not worth it. Apparently sometimes like doesn't recognise like.

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (1, Informative)

superwiz (655733) | about 7 months ago | (#46515821)

Sorry, what? Are you comparing defending of a sovereign state to staging of an election within an all-of-a-sudden-separatist region in order to justify an invasion? Russia set up a puppet government in Crimea. The "president" who requested Russian troops' presence never got more than 4% of the vote in the local elections. And setting up a base is not the same as taking over a region.. unless you think that Russia was always in charge of Crimea... because it always had a base there.

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46515947)

On the subject of "always" - how long has Crimea been "Ukrainian"? My own lifetime, plus two years - not a very long time really. Crimea IS NOT Ukrainian!!

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (1)

nospam007 (722110) | about 7 months ago | (#46516101)

"On the subject of "always" - how long has Crimea been "Ukrainian"? My own lifetime, plus two years - not a very long time really. Crimea IS NOT Ukrainian!!"

Really? For me it's Palestine that has been Israeli for my lifetime plus 2 years.

Nice to meet you.

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (1)

TangoMargarine (1617195) | about 7 months ago | (#46516165)

So how long does it have to be "ours" before we stop squabbling about it? 100 years? 200? 500? 1000?

Good thing Europe has managed to more or less get over it. Apparently Russia hasn't.

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (4, Funny)

Chrisq (894406) | about 7 months ago | (#46515989)

Sorry, what? Are you comparing defending of a sovereign state to staging of an election within an all-of-a-sudden-separatist region in order to justify an invasion?

Yes I'd nip it in the bud. Once the American colonies wanted to become separate and just look where that got us ;-)

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (0, Troll)

pla (258480) | about 7 months ago | (#46515999)

Are you comparing defending of a sovereign state

Sorry, come again? I would point out that not a whole month ago, a group of armed insurgents committed a coup against the legitimate, democratically-elected Ukrainian government. So exactly what "sovereign state" do you refer to here? A group of terrorists acting contrary to the legitimate Ukrainian constitution and the will of its people???

And to add insult to injury, our own treasonous congress has approved an aid package for the insurgents, directly contravening US law that specifically bans such aid.

And we think we have any moral right to complain about a landslide popular election by Crimea to secede from Ukraine and join the Russian Federation? Wow. We should have elected Kerry, that bastard's got balls of solid Neutronium!

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46516185)

And we think we have any moral right to complain about a landslide popular election by Crimea to secede from Ukraine and join the Russian Federation? Wow. We should have elected Kerry, that bastard's got balls of solid Neutronium!

You mean the same landslide popular election that happened to have reports of districts with "yes" vote counts higher than the total number of residents in those districts? Landslides are easy when you engineer them to be so.

The situation in the Ukraine just proves Iran and NK right -- the only way to preserve your territory in this world is to be a nuclear power.

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (1)

TangoMargarine (1617195) | about 7 months ago | (#46516307)

legitimate, democratically-elected Ukrainian government.

I would argue that a system where the Parliament can pass a bill wanting to join the EU and the president just vetoes it is not entirely democratic (while still legitimate). Checks and balances seem a bit out of whack when the elected representatives of the country decide to do something and then one guy says no and the whole thing dies.

The Constitutional Court overturning the 2010 reduction of presidential powers seems to make the issue a bit thornier. And just before all this blew up, it looks like Yanukovych was getting several laws pushed through to lock stuff down...so everything is more or less legitimate but not in the spirit of democracy, depending on how you look at it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C... [wikipedia.org]

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (4, Informative)

Richard_at_work (517087) | about 7 months ago | (#46516047)

You do realise Crimea has been autonomous within the Ukraine precisely because it is more ethnically Russian than Ukrainian, and that in the post-USSR history of the region the Ukranian government has gone back on agreements with the region whenever they display behaviour that is too pro-Russian (for example, Crimea appointing a pro-Russian local leader, which had the result of Crimea having their privileges to do so revoked).

Theres a fuck load of history surrounding the region which is being glossed over by the international media - that doesn't mean I support what Putin is doing, but it annoys me no end when all you see are details which definitely slant it one way in the publics eyes.

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (1)

droptone (798379) | about 7 months ago | (#46516159)

I get it, I get it. Nuance is needed. Crimea's history as a pivot point for Russian military might. Ethnic Russian makeup of Crimea. All that being said, God doesn't garner 93% approval ratings in the Vatican.

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (1)

gurps_npc (621217) | about 7 months ago | (#46516081)

The world is not black/white. It comes comes is shades of gray and glorious colors.

In the real world, the difference between evil and good is not a bright line, but instead small details.

A prime example is that the difference between murder and self defense is just the state of mind of the shooter.

Setting up a new military base in the Ukraine is a measured, careful response to potential problems. It sends a clear message, does not cost any immediate lives, and makes it harder for Russia to continue on it's imperialistic course.

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (1)

MarkvW (1037596) | about 7 months ago | (#46516187)

We should have a US base in EVERY country! But that wouldn't be imperialist now, would it?

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (1)

mi (197448) | about 7 months ago | (#46515975)

Yes, eventually, this would help. Meanwhile, however, Ukraine needs military equipment — not just the drone-provided intelligence. The sort of massive airlift of military supplies, that helped Israel defend itself against the massive Arab armies back in the day...

Ukraine has soldiers, what it does not have is enough fuel for its tanks, airplanes, and other vehicles...

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (1)

wertigon (1204486) | about 7 months ago | (#46516091)

Bad idea.

This isn't a problem of the U.S. since Ukraine isn't in any way, shape or form affiliated with NATO [wikipedia.org] .

The EU on the other hand might be interested... But intervening with Ukraine at this stage would be enough to provoke Putin and the rest of Russia into World War 3 mode.

That would be a mistake on Putin's part, since barring a full nuclear war, he cannot realisticly win, and even with nukes he can only drag the rest of the world to the dark ages. EU + USA has enough troops to repel all of Russias advances, and then some.

The only thing Russia will accomplish with it's bullying is to make it's neighbours more determined to seek strong alliances; NATO in the west, and probably China/India will create a strong asian alliance in the east. I do not understand why Putin is that stupid.

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (1)

gurps_npc (621217) | about 7 months ago | (#46516129)

Russia is one of the top military forces of the world. It is very close to Alaska. The belief that their imperialism is not a problem for us is foolish.

Also, we want a military base in that reason and are losing one.

Re:We need a US base in the Ukraine (1)

LurkNoMore (2681167) | about 7 months ago | (#46516309)

Funny thing though, countries today don't go to war alone.

clearly (5, Funny)

superwiz (655733) | about 7 months ago | (#46515783)

These clearly are local volunteer defense units. Russia is only trying to protect its citizens in Crimea. It's not setting for a larger invasion and take over of Ukraine. And I, personally, think that $1700 is a very reasonable asking price for such a historic landmark as Brooklyn Bridge.

I informed you thusly. I so informed you thusly (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46515805)

That's all that needs to be said, really. I've said it since this whole thing began: If you think Putin is stopping at Crimea, you're a fucking moron.

Re:I informed you thusly. I so informed you thusly (1)

pla (258480) | about 7 months ago | (#46516035)

If you think Putin is stopping at Crimea, you're a fucking moron.

This ain't the Sudetenland. Move along.

Re:I informed you thusly. I so informed you thusly (2)

NotDrWho (3543773) | about 7 months ago | (#46516211)

If you think Putin is stopping at Crimea, you're a fucking moron.

"If you think Bush is stopping at Iraq, you're a fucking moron," said many a Russian citizen in 2003.

Re:I informed you thusly. I so informed you thusly (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46516399)

If Bush was in power for as long as Putin has been (and probably will be) then I wouldn't be surprised if even he got the chance to bungle another war elsewhere.

This is a propaganda war first of all (4, Insightful)

mi (197448) | about 7 months ago | (#46515811)

This being a propaganda war more of the first degree, among these guys' objectives was, likely, the staging of violent incidents to give Russian media more video clips of Ukraine's "nazis" persecuting "innocent civilians".

Russia keeps trying to portray Ukraine's new government as the sort of Serbs persecuting Albanians in Kosovo (or Bosniaks in Bosnia) — so as to give itself the same justification West used for intervention against Milosevic.

Because Ukraine, despite daily provocations, refuses to engage in ethnic cleansings, "convincing" spetznas operations may be in order...

Re:This is a propaganda war first of all (2)

dj245 (732906) | about 7 months ago | (#46515867)

Putin's actions are almost cartoon villianny. Maybe he was bunkmates with Boris Badenov [wikipedia.org] when he was in the KGB.

Putin can call the US hippocrites all he wants, but at least when the US invades someplace we don't plant evidence to justify it.

And if we do, we don't get caught redhanded over and over again.

Re:This is a propaganda war first of all (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46516045)

Putin's actions are almost cartoon villianny. Maybe he was bunkmates with Boris Badenov [wikipedia.org] when he was in the KGB.

Putin can call the US hippocrites all he wants, but at least when the US invades someplace we don't plant evidence to justify it.

And if we do, we don't get caught redhanded over and over again.

When the US need evidence?. They only need to say that you have weapons of mass destruction. And that's enough.

Re:This is a propaganda war first of all (0)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | about 7 months ago | (#46516177)

Putin can call the US hippocrites all he wants

Hypocrites. Again, try to avoid using words you've only heard spoken and have never seen in print.

Re:This is a propaganda war first of all (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46516195)

At least we don't... but if we do....

Nice way to word that.

Re: This is a propaganda war first of all (1)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | about 7 months ago | (#46516451)

+5 Hysterical

Re:This is a propaganda war first of all (0)

superwiz (655733) | about 7 months ago | (#46516027)

It's a typical leftist ploy.. only now it's being by the paragon of the left itself: use a term as its opposite in order to claim confusion when it is used appropriately. Russia is accusing Ukrainians of being Nazi in order to create confusion about their clear Hitler-like invasion; Democrats do it all the time to Republicans (who are not saints, but they are not guilty of everything Democrats do and then accuse Republicans of); Russia had the audacity, for a while, to accuse Ukrainians, who overthrew a Russian puppet in Kiev, too "nationalist". Russia has re-invented itself as a nationalist state. It is not an element of the modern Russian culture. It IS the modern Russian culture. It is nothing but egoism and pride in ethnic heritage. I am sure can find examples of such behavior everywhere in the world. The difference is that Russian pop-culture is entirely and completely nationalism centered... there is nothing else there.

Re:This is a propaganda war first of all (-1, Troll)

Giblet535 (3480751) | about 7 months ago | (#46516073)

And this is worse than the US backing a violent coup d'etat against a democratically elected leader.....how, exactly? It's no threat to you or your interests, so I have to ask: are you an incurable busybody, or merely a war mongering debt-addict?

Re:This is a propaganda war first of all (1)

mi (197448) | about 7 months ago | (#46516219)

And this is worse than the US backing a violent coup d'etat against a democratically elected leader.....how, exactly?

The primary — and objective — difference is that the US backing of that coup d'etat did not have annexing any territory as its goal.

Oh, and that little bit about preventing the spread of Communism — the single most murderous school of thought known to man (even Hitler's strand of Fascism is but a distant second) — was a good part too.

It's no threat to you or your interests, so I have to ask: are you an incurable busybody

I suppose, I am an incurable busybody... When they came for Abhasia, I did not speak out, because I was not a Georgian. When they came for Crimea, I did not speak out, because I was not a Ukrainian. ... When they came for Alaska, there was nobody left to speak out for me.

Over-hyped (5, Informative)

FlaSheridn (414319) | about 7 months ago | (#46515851)

The summary is over-hyping this story, which is a day or two old, and not given anything like this much play in the mainstream media. The link to Forbes is actually just to a third-party renting space on the Forbes site, and the New Republic piece is opinion, not news coverage. Not that I am in any way denying or condoning Putin’s invasion, but overreacting doesn’t help.

Re:Over-hyped (3, Insightful)

cold fjord (826450) | about 7 months ago | (#46516105)

...which is a day or two old, and not given anything like this much play in the mainstream media.

That isn't the same as not being true. You might notice that Linux kernel releases don't get much play in the mainstream media either.

You may also notice that Russian units started moving into Crimea weeks ago and that is still in the news.

.. The link to Forbes is actually just to a third-party renting space on the Forbes site..

We come back to the question, "Is what it reports true?"

New Republic piece is opinion, not news coverage

Sometimes called "analysis."

Not that I am in any way denying or condoning Putin’s invasion, but overreacting doesn’t help.

Minimalizing or ignoring Russia's actions got us to where we are now. And hey, what's a little covert action with Russian troops massing on your border while Russian airborne divisions conduct mass tactical airborne drop exercises (rehearsals)?

Authoritarian Oligarchy vs. Democracy (4, Interesting)

sinij (911942) | about 7 months ago | (#46515859)

Ukrainian people are seeking democracy. They ousted Yanukovich during Orange Revolution (2008) for rigging elections, they ousted Yanukovich (2014) during Maidan Protests for attempting to amend the constitution, sacking and stacking judicial branch, and pillaging treasury to build his palaces. Twice Ukrainian people rose, twice they succeed. It is very clear Ukrainian people are not interested going back to being Soviet Ukraine.

As a result of this struggle, Putin sees Ukrainian protests as a direct threat to his dictatorship, least Maidan escalate into 'Russian Spring'. As such, he is willing to risk sanctions, isolation from West, and a shooting war in order to destabilize Ukraine at all costs. That why Crimea annexation, that why Soviet-era propaganda trying to paint Ukrainian protesters as radicals/nazis, that why he is sending covert ops into the rest of Ukraine.

What is more interesting, is that Russian KGB learned a great deal how to use Internet to misdirect and confuse otherwise very clear issue. Reading the comments sections of all major new sources you can clearly see paid shills spewing Kremlin's talking points and/or trying to derail the conversation.

Re:Authoritarian Oligarchy vs. Democracy (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46515953)

The thing is that even though Russia may not be the old USSR with command of virtually every single continent except for North America (like they had until the late 1980s), they have a very, VERY good propaganda machine. They can tell people to go to hell, and the people told will be gladly packing their suitcases one minute later.

The problem right now is that Russia has nobody interested in stopping them. Both US parties are hell-bent at attacking each other. Even with that in mind, both the US and Europe have way too many Chamberlains and no Churchills. With the way things stand now, tanks could be rolling through Poland and sitting at Germany's eastern border before people acknowledge the Russian threat.

I do say their intel is quite good. Six months of Snowden's handler owning the world press and weakening ties between the US and Europe (something the Russians tried for DECADES), an olympics, and now a military action. Russians are playing chess while the rest of the world is playing Pogs.

Re:Authoritarian Oligarchy vs. Democracy (1)

TangoMargarine (1617195) | about 7 months ago | (#46516385)

tanks could be rolling through Poland and sitting at Germany's eastern border before people acknowledge the Russian threat.

Hey, it worked once before ;-)

*cough* Okay, yeah, I probably shouldn't be cracking a joke about a war where millions of people died.

Re:Authoritarian Oligarchy vs. Democracy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46515987)

The country under discussion is Crimea. The Autonomous Republic of Crimea. What may or may not have happened in the Ukraine is of little consequence here.

Re:Authoritarian Oligarchy vs. Democracy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46516019)

You have to understand [cnn.com] that Ukraine is not even a country.

Re:Authoritarian Oligarchy vs. Democracy (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46516147)

There are two ukranias, ukranians from the west that feel closer its western neighbors, and ukranians from the east that feel closer to Russia. It's doubtful east Ukrania would want to be part of Russia even though they'd prefer close ties to Russia than close ties to the EU. Crimea is different. Crimea was given by Krutchev to Ukrania and the majority of Crimea's inhabitants are ethnic Russians. It's unsurprising a vote in Crimea would get a majority for being part of Russia. However 97% is bullshit since ethnic russians only form 57% of the population. Not sure how the Tatars would vote. Don't think the 25% (eastern) ukranians would vote yes. The start of it was Ukrania refusing to enter a free trade agreement with the EU and accepting a trade agreement with Russia. Since Russia and the EU don't ahve (and won't have for the foreseeble future) a trade agreement, it's hard (probably even impossible) for Ukraine to enter both so Ukrania had to choose. Of course western ukranians weren't happy since they want to trade with their western neighbors while estern ukranians were happy since they want to trade with Russia.

And there won't be a russian spring. Putin is popular in Russia. The elections might be fraudulent but he would win them anyways. Sad as it may be.

How is this about technology Slashdot???? (-1, Redundant)

hajj_3 (2452320) | about 7 months ago | (#46515873)

How is this about technology Slashdot???? Quit trying to get web clicks and stop writing about technology, which is what slashdot is supposed to be about.

Re:How is this about technology Slashdot???? (4, Informative)

sinij (911942) | about 7 months ago | (#46515957)

This set of international events has a small potential to turn our civilization into post-apocalyptic nuclear survival exercise. As such, it is appropriate /. topic of discussion.

Re:How is this about technology Slashdot???? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46516065)

Indeed. Remember Wargames? So clearly it's news for Nerds!

Re:How is this about technology Slashdot???? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46515981)

"stop writing about technology"?

Such poor command of English is very revealing...

Anyway, this is news and potentially the first steps to WW III, as it follows the same path as Hitler took, while "the west" just sat on their asses and let it happen.

I think even nerds should be aware of something of that magnitude.

Re:How is this about technology Slashdot???? (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 7 months ago | (#46516005)

" Quit trying to get web clicks and stop writing about technology, which is what slashdot is supposed to be about"
says who?

I am assuming by stop you mean start, as if there hasn't been any technology post ...

NEWS FOR NERDS (5, Insightful)

phorm (591458) | about 7 months ago | (#46516007)

Strange, I don't see anything specific to technology in Slashdot's header/manifesto. I believe it's "News for Nerds" and "Stuff that Matters". I'm sure there are plenty of history nerds on here to whom this matters

Heck, this is even under the appropriate category (The Military).

Perhaps you should restrict the article categories to only include Hardware and a few other sections you like, rather than imposing what you think the site should be about on everyone else.

Re:How is this about technology Slashdot???? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46516011)

*News* for nerds. Stuff that *matters*.

Re:How is this about technology Slashdot???? (1)

pla (258480) | about 7 months ago | (#46516063)

How is this about technology Slashdot

Because nuclear explosions at altitude tend to cause computer-destroying EMPs.

That do it for ya?

Re:How is this about technology Slashdot???? (1)

mi (197448) | about 7 months ago | (#46516151)

Well, if the National Aeronautics and Space Administration can engage in "Muslim Outreach" and research of "collapse of industrial civilization" [slashdot.org] , then why can't Slashdot write about politics? It is "stuff that matters", at least...

Re:How is this about technology Slashdot???? (4, Insightful)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about 7 months ago | (#46516329)

It's "stuff that matters", which is expressly the sort of thing that Slashdot covers. 99% of the time, I don't care about international politics (nor national politics, for that matter), but when they get this big and this tense, it matters. I'm glad that Slashdot has the sense to break in with stuff like this when it gets this important, since otherwise it's particularly easy for nerds to keep their heads down and not notice what's going on in the world.

Re:How is this about technology Slashdot???? (1)

TangoMargarine (1617195) | about 7 months ago | (#46516409)

I personally trust what commentors say here about world events more than the mainstream news. Although obviously you have to read *all* the comments on the issue.

Not that I disagree with your point per se...

Tom Clancy novel??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46515881)

I think I read this story...

http://www.amazon.com/Command-Authority-Jack-Ryan-Clancy/dp/0399160477

yuo Fail It.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46515887)

hear you. Also, 1f Unless you 3an work

Moneypenny (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46515893)

When I read this headline, all I could think of was Moneypenny's quote in the N64 Goldeneye game.

"Grabbed by the Spetsnaz, James? Sounds painful!"

Should You or any of Your IM Force be Caught ... (1)

powerlord (28156) | about 7 months ago | (#46515921)

Clearly while these troops probably were or are active Russian units, I expect they were either AWOL and/or certainly acting without orders. ... ... or at least thats what I expect we'll hear pretty soon.

Re:Should You or any of Your IM Force be Caught .. (4, Interesting)

HornWumpus (783565) | about 7 months ago | (#46516057)

If they're Spetsnaz, and they allowed themselves to be arrested, they clearly had orders to not kill anybody, especially cops.

Geneva Convention (5, Insightful)

Rob Riggs (6418) | about 7 months ago | (#46515963)

If true, under the Geneva Convention these soldiers would be considered unlawful combatants and subject to Ukranian law.

Re:Geneva Convention (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46516069)

Under the Geneva convention, these soldiers could be considered spies, and summarily executed.

Re:Geneva Convention (1)

TangoMargarine (1617195) | about 7 months ago | (#46516429)

Citation? I have a hard time believing the Geneva Conventions condone a bullet to the head for anyone.

Really? (1)

bickerdyke (670000) | about 7 months ago | (#46515979)

The russian military spying agency is handing out ID cards to their agents?

Re:Really? (2)

EvilSS (557649) | about 7 months ago | (#46516093)

The russian military spying agency is handing out ID cards to their agents?

Um, yes? Did you think they just know each other and it's all informal? Now, should the soldier have been carrying it with him at that time? Probably not.

Meanwhile in the West (4, Insightful)

RogueWarrior65 (678876) | about 7 months ago | (#46516015)

PM Neville Chamberlain and the League of Nations said "Naughty naughty" to Putin.

Aw shucks now I can't be a comrade (2)

scrubed (3562787) | about 7 months ago | (#46516031)

I'm guessing in the next edition of SOCOM I won't be able to play the role of a spetnaz operative.

Hahahahaha - Like the west wasn't complicit (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46516089)

So, the seal-team never got caught, eh? LOL!
Takes two to tango. Anyone w/ a brain knows the west was pushing for them to join the Euro mess And like in Syria last year, this was all about gas pipelines to Europe, in the end.

brief introduction (1)

NikeHerc (694644) | about 7 months ago | (#46516111)

A brief introduction to the methods of our new Soviet overlords.

Gleiwitz (1)

MarkvW (1037596) | about 7 months ago | (#46516125)

Is Putin really trying to engineer a phony Hitleresque provocation? The sanctions need to get upped big time. I doubt Russia would mobilize for war behind that gluttonous kleptocrat.

A simple request. (1, Insightful)

EvilSS (557649) | about 7 months ago | (#46516135)

I don't care who's right, who started what, which goverment is a puppet for which superpower. Really, I don't. I just have one simple request of everyone involved:

Can we please not stumble into World War III over the goddamned Ukraine!?

Re:A simple request. (2)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | about 7 months ago | (#46516239)

Yeah, we'll try to do a better job than when we stumbled into WW2 over Poland.

Re:A simple request. (1)

Imazalil (553163) | about 7 months ago | (#46516355)

The problem is that if 'we' (the west generally speaking) keep ignoring things, not wanting to start world wars and stuff, will eventually realize that there is no choice and face a foe that is already geared up and rolling.

Just think of all the Russians that are US citizens and/or are on US soil, they surely need protecting as well.

Is thsi Slashdot? (0)

LanceUppercut (766964) | about 7 months ago | (#46516265)

Excuse me, this is Slashdot, not Reddit or News of the World. Would you please keep the most obvious propaganda bullshit out of Slashdot? Every time you want to post a topic like "A woman gave birth to a six headed horse", "Intelligent peanut butter consumed a cat" or "Russian spetsnaz is planting explosives in Ukraine", consider a more appropriate site.

"Added links..." (0)

LanceUppercut (766964) | about 7 months ago | (#46516335)

He added links "to Forbes" you say? Why didn't he also add links to Fox, Huffington and MacDonalds and as well? Nothing at the link to Forbes says anything even remotely similar to what the post is alleging (I didn't even bother to check the other ones).

Situation is as clear as mud (4, Insightful)

chaim79 (898507) | about 7 months ago | (#46516277)

I think right now this situation is so complex and muddied that no-one is in the right, and no-one has all the information.

Accusations have gone back and forth like crazy but I still haven't seen any of them from either side backed up by evidence beyond "it's obvious", which, in this situation, I highly doubt.

As for these supposed Russian commandos... I really doubt they are what the report says they are. Whenever you send agents (either Spies or Commandos) into the field you strip them of anything that would identify them as spies/commandos, having ID cards for "Spetsnaz" sounds like a plant to me.

"We found the enemy's agents doing bad things so we have reason to attack!" when they are nothing more than your own agents planted to make them look like the enemy.

I also find it interesting that this bit of 'news' hasn't shown up on any even remotely neutral news sources. I frequent the BBC and have been watching their coverage of this Cluster F*** closely, and while they have agreed with USA in many of their stances and statements concerning this, they have no mention of this bit of news... makes me very suspicious of it's authenticity.

All that being said, I really think Russia is going to far and should back off, let things settle, allow the "newly independent Crimea" to exist for a while to prove it's not a Russian puppet but actually something it's people want.

%^#+ just remained real (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46516313)

I'd say it just got real, except it's been real for weeks.

Nunya (3, Interesting)

some old guy (674482) | about 7 months ago | (#46516349)

Putin's neo-Stalinism aside, it may be sad to sit helplessly on the sidelines but the US has no territorial, economic, or security interest in Ukraine whatsoever. It's none of America's damn business.

Somewhere, sometime, the US has got to get over this notion of being the world's comic-book superhero.

Now is a good time to start. Picking a fight with a bully that has a huge nuclear arsenal is a bad idea.

Russian airborne division exercises (2)

cold fjord (826450) | about 7 months ago | (#46516445)

It turns out that Russian airborne units were holding large exercises around the time of the Crimea vote.

Russian Paratroopers Hold Massive Drills as Crimea Vote Nears [en.ria.ru]

MOSCOW, March 11 (RIA Novosti) – An airborne division based in central Russia began large-scale exercises Tuesday against the backdrop of an ongoing political and security crisis in Ukraine.

The Defense Ministry said units of the 98th Guards Airborne Division, based in Ivanovo, a city east of Moscow, were put on high alert and moved to unspecified locations to “check readiness” in simulated combat conditions.

Four thousand troops, 36 military transport aircraft and an unspecified number of combat vehicles are taking part in the exercises, which will run until March 14.

The drills will include a massive simultaneous paradrop involving 3,500 servicemen, the ministry said.

The drills come in the wake of a number of military exercises in Russia’s western regions in the past days, including air defense drills, combat readiness snap checks and a launch of an intercontinental ballistic missile.

A mass tactical drop of 3,500 paratroopers is pretty big.

It is also worth noting that Russian airborne [wikipedia.org] units are mechanized with air droppable infantry fighting vehicles [youtube.com] like the BMD 3 [wikipedia.org] . That makes them highly mobile after a drop, and they have significant additional firepower. It is a deadly combination. A World War 2 tank division would find them tough to chew on.

Russian airborne troops with BMD 2 armoured fighting vehicles [youtube.com]

A video broadcast on Internet shows Russian airborne with BMD-2 armoured infantry fighting vehicle in Veselaya Lopan 20km from the Ukraine border.

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