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Brazil Blocks Foreign Mobile Phones

timothy posted about 6 months ago | from the taxation-failing-to-buy-civilization dept.

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First time accepted submitter fabrica64 writes "The Brazilian government has today started blocking mobile phones not sold in Brazil (Portuguese-language original), i.e. not having paid sales taxes here. The blocking is based on IMEI, and if you come to Brazil for the World Cup in June and think of buying a Brazilian SIM card to call locally at lower rates, then it won't work because your mobile's IMEI will be blacklisted as not sold in Brazil. This is not a joke, it's true!"

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Might help the US.... (2)

Michael Casavant (2876793) | about 6 months ago | (#46515865)

Now stolen iPhone's from the US will be worth SLIGHTLY less. Because nobody can clone an IMEI...

Re:Might help the US.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46515941)

Who told you that (lie)?, it's a common practice on the phone black market

Re:Might help the US.... (0)

what2123 (1116571) | about 6 months ago | (#46515977)

Can I get a citation please? Preferable one for the IMEI being clone-able.

Re:Might help the US.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46516293)

Citation [wikimedia.org]

Re:Might help the US.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46517007)

Ew...Maryland.

Re:Might help the US.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46517049)

No, that's a Citation II. He needed a Citation.

Re:Might help the US.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46518217)

Is this Citation [genav.com] better?

Re:Might help the US.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46517163)

I thought that everyone could use Google by now: Google [lmgtfy.com]

Re: Might help the US.... (1)

mr100percent (57156) | about 6 months ago | (#46520143)

Yes, we live in a world where everyone has access to google. That's not the point, you have to prove your claims with evidence, not ask the other person to do it for you and then disprove it. You need to show proof that it can be done, because you can't disprove a negative.

Re: Might help the US.... (0)

Jmc23 (2353706) | about 6 months ago | (#46520387)

What you say is true only for social awkward geeks with their qidditch broom up their ass. Seriously, get a life.

Re: Might help the US.... (1)

gmhowell (26755) | about 6 months ago | (#46521055)

What you say is true only for social awkward geeks with their qidditch broom up their ass. Seriously, get a life.

So after I put on my wizard hat and robe, I'm supposed to do what?!

LARPing seems less fun all the time.

Whooosh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46515995)

Whoosh.

Not in june, only after september (5, Informative)

knightmad (931578) | about 6 months ago | (#46515879)

However, these electronics will continue to operate normally until at least September, when the deactivations should actually begin. Until then, the system will only mount a database with information on the equipment in use in Brazil.

This is a new low, blatant lies in the summary only for cheap country based hate and some pageviews. Good job!

Re:Not in june, only after september (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46516099)

Yeah, sad. OTOH if it was to occur before the FIFA World Cup it could be used as government propaganda that it would discourage cell phone theft during the event ;)

Re:Not in june, only after september (5, Informative)

ifiwereasculptor (1870574) | about 6 months ago | (#46516139)

Brazilian here. AFAIK, the only IMEIs blocked are going to be those of phones that didn't go through Anatel's (Brazil's FCC counterpart) approval process. Meaning mostly chinese knockoffs. It's highly unlikely that your S3 won't work here, since S3s are sold locally (in both US and international versions, BTW).

Knockoffs like the HTC One (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46516439)

And HTC, Acer, Archos... There are a lot of brands not selling in Brazil oficially.

Re:Not in june, only after september (3, Informative)

fabrica64 (791212) | about 6 months ago | (#46516857)

It was about to start blocking in April, but someone in the government got a ping from someone else about being very bad news blocking phones during the world cup... But it's not certain it will begin in September or if will ever start blocking, given all mobile operators are against this "system" BTW this is not only about Chinese smartphone (where you can change IMEI in a snap), it is about blocking smartphones not sold in Brazil (although nobody will ever admit it in the government). IMEI can differentiate between an A1457 sold in Brazil and one sold in Europe, and HTC is not sold at all here I mean, it may appear to be an article for cheap country based hate but actually is Brazilian government that expose himself to the ridicule sustaining something being done for technical reasons when in reality is a pure fiscal issue.

Re:Not in june, only after september (3, Informative)

ifiwereasculptor (1870574) | about 6 months ago | (#46516995)

Apparently this will be done on an approved device's universal IMEI range. Vetting individual IMEIs is neither practical nor legal, as you can't stop someone from using a government approved, legally imported phone from using it on all networks.

Re:Not in june, only after september (1)

fabrica64 (791212) | about 6 months ago | (#46517139)

Probably yes (initial IMEI list will be provided by manufacturers) but once you have this system in place the government might use it more effectively to control and block smartphones not sold in Brazil. Why do you need such a system? Mobile operators hate it (if you pay you are ok), Anatel (the Brazilian FCC) approves GSM standards and most of smartphones abide to these standards, there's no technical reason here. The system can control individual IMEIs and it will also be used to control stolen devices

Re:Not in june, only after september (3, Interesting)

weave (48069) | about 6 months ago | (#46517497)

I do believe Turkey blocks on individual IMEI. At least that was what I was warned of before I went for a visit. It happens after a few weeks so tourists are probably fine. Reference: http://www.turkeytravelplanner... [turkeytravelplanner.com]

Turkey already blocks individual IMEIs (5, Informative)

Schezar (249629) | about 6 months ago | (#46517623)

Vetting individual IMEIs is neither practical nor legal, as you can't stop someone from using a government approved, legally imported phone from using it on all networks.

You're wrong. It's both feasible and, in many countries, legal.

Turkey already does this. If you use a foreign phone of any kind with a Turkish SIM, your individual IMEI will be blocked in 24-48 hours. The only way around that is to pay a significant fee to the government, register your phone/IMEI, and then wait a week or so for the registration to take effect. Note that you can't register AFTER the phone is blocked. If you let it get blocked, you're basically screwed.

Turkey does this to prevent the importation of phones that didn't pay local taxes, and also to ensure that all users of phones/data are registered and tracked within the country.

Re:Turkey already blocks individual IMEIs (1)

mjwx (966435) | about 6 months ago | (#46521211)

You're wrong. It's both feasible and, in many countries, legal.

AT&T in the US does it... If you have a foreign phone you need to get the IMEI registered with AT&T before you can use data on the device. I had a Galaxy Nexus (purchased legally and outright in Australia) and had to go into an AT&T store in Las Vegas to get it registered before it would work.

It's very feasible to block individual IMEI's, you just have a white list of allowed IMEI's and block everything else.

Re:Not in june, only after september (1)

fabrica64 (791212) | about 6 months ago | (#46520985)

The system works this way: - there is a blacklist of TAC (initial part of IMEI that identify manufacturer, model and sub model: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T... [wikipedia.org] ) - actually info for this blacklist is furnished by manufacturers, that will probably include all their models regardless of being or not sold in Brazil, but this can be later changed by Anatel, restricting the list - there will be a whitelist of "blacklisted IMEIs" activated in the network before March 17th, 2014 - there will be a blacklist of permitted IMEI (e.g. an iPhone sold in Brazil) that were used (i.e. cloned) in "IMEI configurable" Chinese smartphones/tablet - there will be a whitelist of IMEI+IMSI to identify the original cloned (I don't know who will identify the original one if many claims to be the original one) - block will be set in the network on each individual IMEI - permission will be set in the network for specific IMEI+IMSI - the system is tailored to control individual IMEIs and not only generic TAC Do you see the potential of chaos? Chinese smartphone seller will setup "change your IMEI daily" services and it will be cat and mouse play until a complete mess... and mobile operator will hardly divert resource to help in solving it or handle complaints...

Re:Not in june, only after september (1)

fabrica64 (791212) | about 6 months ago | (#46520997)

The system works this way:
- there is a blacklist of TAC (initial part of IMEI that identify manufacturer, model and sub model: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T [wikipedia.org] ... [wikipedia.org])
- actually info for this blacklist is furnished by manufacturers, that will probably include all their models regardless of being or not sold in Brazil, but this can be later changed by Anatel, restricting the list
- there will be a whitelist of "blacklisted IMEIs" activated in the network before March 17th, 2014
- there will be a blacklist of permitted IMEI (e.g. an iPhone sold in Brazil) that were used (i.e. cloned) in "IMEI configurable" Chinese smartphones/tablet
- there will be a whitelist of IMEI+IMSI to identify the original cloned (I don't know who will identify the original one if many claims to be the original one)
- block will be set in the network on each individual IMEI
- permission will be set in the network for specific IMEI+IMSI
- the system is tailored to control individual IMEIs and not only generic TAC
Do you see the potential of chaos? Chinese smartphone seller will setup "change your IMEI daily" services and it will be cat and mouse play until a complete mess... and mobile operator will hardly divert resource to help in solving it or handle complaints...

ja fudeu, porra (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46517115)

ja fudeu, porra

Re:Not in june, only after september (1)

wulfhere (94308) | about 6 months ago | (#46517241)

Comments like this are why Slashdot needs to allow a score higher than +5.

Should we... (4, Insightful)

Arkh89 (2870391) | about 6 months ago | (#46515889)

Should we understand that some of the articles posted on Slashdot are jokes then?

Re:Should we... (2)

oodaloop (1229816) | about 6 months ago | (#46516001)

Around this time of year, there's always some doubt.

Re:Should we... (1)

cellocgw (617879) | about 6 months ago | (#46516911)

Should we understand that some of the articles posted on Slashdot are jokes then?

Around this time of year, there's always some doubt.

Well, yeah, if you define "this time of year" as 1 January through 31 December.

Re:Should we... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46520917)

Well, yeah, if you define "this time of year" as 1 January through 31 December.

No he means this time of year, you know the end of March going onto the start of ... ah forget it.

Re:Should we... (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 6 months ago | (#46516083)

Idle submissions are the devil's playthings!

Re:Should we... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46516759)

Most of the article summaries posted here are deliberately misleading.

The rest somehow managed to slip through the cracks.

Scaremongering... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46515907)

http://www.telecompaper.com/news/brazil-to-introduce-mobile-blocking-system--1002303

Brazilian mobile operators will start testing from 17 March a new system that will block mobile calls made by pirate devices, reports Folha de Sao Paulo. The total blockade of the devices will be effective from September. Until then, during the so-called "pre-operational" stage of the system, equipment must continue to function normally. When an operator identifies a device without approval in Brazil, the system should activate the blockade, for phones as well as tablets.

The new system of the operators compares lists of domestic and foreign records to verify which mobile phones are authentic.

If your phone is flagged as being stolen then it is blocked...

Bad translation is bad (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46515915)

It says that MODELS not sold in Brazil won't work there, not devices. So, for example, iPhones will work because they're sold there. It's been known for a while and the law was designed to avoid low quality, low security Chinese android phones to be sold.

Re:Bad translation is bad (1)

felipou (2748041) | about 6 months ago | (#46516521)

Unfortunately, it's not so simple. Although the iPhone 5S is sold here, for example, the only certified Model is the A1457, as you can see in the this page [anatel.gov.br] , if you understand Portuguese.

It's a page from Anatel, the government agency responsible for cellphone communications in Brazil (something like FCC in the USA, I guess) which shows certified wireless communication devices for use in Brazil.

Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] tells me there are at least 7 models of the iPhone 5S out there, so only one of these will work in Brazil, eventually. Unless Apple certifies all models with Anatel, which I doubt will happen.

Also, If you bring your shiny new cellphone shortly after launch, it probably won't work either, because the iPhone is released here with a few months delay, usually.

So, basically, fuck this shit.

Re:Bad translation is bad (1)

dafradu (868234) | about 6 months ago | (#46518883)

Manufactures don't wait until phones hit the market to get their products approved, its done much earlier. Haven't you heard about the amazon controller that leaked from the very same Anatel? http://www.theverge.com/2014/3... [theverge.com]

Also, the most important information that the story doesn't say. The system will work together with international partners (FCC etc), so it doesn't matter where it was certified, it will work here. Source: http://idgnow.com.br/blog/circ... [idgnow.com.br]

Re:Bad translation is bad (1)

dafradu (868234) | about 6 months ago | (#46518977)

This are the kind of phones this system will block: http://tecnologia.uol.com.br/a... [uol.com.br]

Noname Iphone look-a-like that runs android
Knockoff Motorola Ferrari that runs some java based OS
Same with a SonyEricsson Walkman
An Galaxy S3 copy with a Nokia battery
There is also the Hiphones, Sqmy, Sonia, PolyStation and so many others...

Re: Bad translation is bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46516831)

Cheap Chinese knockoffs are all anybody can afford with the 25%-40% retail price excise taxes.. Then sales and telco taxes.

Re:Bad translation is bad (1)

nmnilsson (549442) | about 6 months ago | (#46520005)

...the law was designed to avoid low quality, low security Chinese android phones...

That may be part of the truth.
Another part is that it encourages/forces phone manufacturers to have factories in Brazil - providing jobs and investing in national infrastructure - as import tax is so high that imported phones can't compete.
I worked several years with a major brand phone manufacturer. All their factories were in low cost / high tech Asian countries - plus one Brazil.

Wait for the IOC (1)

wiredlogic (135348) | about 6 months ago | (#46515925)

They may be able to boss around the world cup officials but wait til the IOC wields its economic might to force Brazil's hand.

Re:Wait for the IOC (2)

hagnat (752654) | about 6 months ago | (#46517839)

boss around world cup officials ? boy, you got your intel upside down

Why only phones? (0)

jandrese (485) | about 6 months ago | (#46515935)

Are they going to make you strip naked after you get off of the airplane unless you can prove that you paid Brazilian sales tax on your clothes?

Re:Why only phones? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46516361)

No. They will make you strip naked after you get off of the airplane unless you can prove that you have a Brazilian wax.

Re:Why only phones? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46520981)

My only child is presently studying in Brazil, Rio specifically. From what facebook tells me, nearly everyone is usually nearly naked much of the time within a few days after landing in Rio. Seems to work for them...

Re:Why only phones? (1)

jellomizer (103300) | about 6 months ago | (#46516851)

Brazil has a problem of being overly controlling of its economy. The kind of stuff the conservatives will hop on and try to discredit any government controls on the economy.

I think the main thing they are trying to stop is reselling on the black market.
Chances are you are not going to resell your clothing if you are on a trip. But you may sell your phone if you need a quick buck... Or you may come in with say 20 of them to sell. Brazil has a heavy sales tax on stuff, so I expect black market sales of goods is probably much higher then the government wants to admit. So it is a crackdown on what they can crackdown on.

Re: Why only phones? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46517513)

If you are brazilian and enter Brazil with a used laptop or phone and you have not with you something that shows you bought it in Brazil you have to pay import taxes

Does anybody know (1)

Chrisq (894406) | about 6 months ago | (#46515951)

Will it affect roaming or only sim swaps?

World Cup (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46515985)

Devices without certification will still work at least until September.

IMEI Number includes the model number (5, Informative)

NoNeeeed (157503) | about 6 months ago | (#46515993)

This submission appears to be nonsense posted by someone who hasn't read the article they linked to.

This isn't about blocking phones sold outside of Brazil, but models of phones that are not certified for use in Brazil. So you can take your Nexus 5 or iPhone, but it's probable that some no-name cheapo phones may not work.

The IMEI number contains codes for the manufacturer and model, so you can white-list those models that have certification from the Brazilian FCC.

Re:IMEI Number includes the model number (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46516259)

Hey! Someone else who actually bothered to read the article!

The point is to eliminate poor-quality phones that are illegally imported AND DO NOT COMPLY with government standards.

This is the same thing as the FCC saying "hey, you can't use unauthorized radio devices that cause problems".
Its just that up to this point, Anatel (Brazillian FCC), hasn't done anything about it. Also, they have no idea how many problematic devices there are in use. One of their goals with this new system is to figure out how many non-certified devices are in use.

Interestingly, my iPhone does not show Anatel compliance under regulatory information.

Brazilian taxes on imported electronics are probably the highest in the world. It really is too bad, because it puts the country at somewhat of a disadvantage. Its hard to move up and compete globally when you can't afford to purchase needed equipment.

Re:IMEI Number includes the model number (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46520495)

No it doesn't. It won't block all existing "non compliant" phones, just the new ones, because the goal of this measure is not technical but fiscal.

Re:IMEI Number includes the model number (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46516407)

True. "The Brazilian government has today started blocking mobile phones not sold in Brazil" should read "The Brazilian government will block mobile phones MODELS not sold in Brazil next SEPTEMBER".

Re:IMEI Number includes the model number (1)

adokink (1094097) | about 6 months ago | (#46516487)

It will also force mobile makers to introduce their newest models at an early stage in Brazil, not after some months(I do not know if this is common practice in Brazil, but is sometimes done in Europe).

Re:IMEI Number includes the model number (4, Informative)

felipou (2748041) | about 6 months ago | (#46516587)

Unfortunately, it's not so simple. Although the iPhone 5S is sold here, for example, the only certified Model is the A1457, as you can see in the this page [anatel.gov.br] , if you understand Portuguese.

It's a page from Anatel, the government agency responsible for cellphone communications in Brazil (something like FCC in the USA, I guess) which shows certified wireless communication devices for use in Brazil.

Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] tells me there are at least 7 models of the iPhone 5S out there, so only one of these will work in Brazil, eventually. Unless Apple certifies all models with Anatel, which I doubt will happen.

Also, If you bring your shiny new cellphone shortly after launch, it probably won't work either, because the iPhone is released here with a few months delay, usually.

So, basically, fuck this shit.

Re:IMEI Number includes the model number (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46525901)

The blockage will start months after the world cup and they will whitelist not only the models approved by Anatel, but all approved by the FCC counterparts from all countries that have commercial relationship with Brazil. So, yes, all FCC approved models WILL work after the blockage.

Re:IMEI Number includes the model number (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46516741)

This submission appears to be nonsense posted by someone who hasn't read the article they linked to.

This isn't about blocking phones sold outside of Brazil, but models of phones that are not certified for use in Brazil. So you can take your Nexus 5 or iPhone, but it's probable that some no-name cheapo phones may not work.

The IMEI number contains codes for the manufacturer and model, so you can white-list those models that have certification from the Brazilian FCC.

Yeah.

Crazy Eddie [wikipedia.org] models, I'm sure. Sold only in Brazil.

Re:IMEI Number includes the model number (1)

nurb432 (527695) | about 6 months ago | (#46519253)

And of course you cant ever change an IMEI number..

Tourists (1)

pmontra (738736) | about 6 months ago | (#46516013)

So you go on vacation in Brazil and you either pay international roaming fees or you buy a cheap dumb phone to make local calls. Lame but not too expensive. Furthermore a dump phone needs to be charged once per week or even less frequently.

Btw, are they going to confiscate tourists clothes on entry? They've not been not bought in Brazil, so no sales tax paid there!

Re:Tourists (1)

weave (48069) | about 6 months ago | (#46517449)

Your international phone with roaming would still go through their towers and potentially be blocked.

Re:Tourists (1)

pmontra (738736) | about 6 months ago | (#46517597)

If it is so that blockade won't last long. There will be pressure from both international and Brazilian phone operators to relax it because they'll lose a fair amount of profits.

Not really... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46516043)

The original article actually says that the government will block devices that were not approved by Anatel (Telecommunications Agency) due to many of the smuggled cheap phones and tablets (most of them manufactured in China) have not passed their certification.
Although the idea is good, I think it will cause lots of issues with users with valid and certified devices. Let's wait and see....

Re:Not really... (1)

mysidia (191772) | about 6 months ago | (#46520749)

Although the idea is good, I think it will cause lots of issues with users with valid and certified devices. Let's wait and see....

The chinese phone manufacturers are going to start faking codes in the ranges assigned to other vendors' models, such as Apple's. Resulting in multiple phones from different manufacturers claiming to have the same IMEI

Kinda (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46516053)

In June they will work, the meltdown will start in September, as stated in the article. As far as Anatel homologation goes, I can't remember a major phone brand that does not have it. All Apple, Samsung, LG, etc., they all carry Anatel's (Brazilian FCC) seal.

from Brazil (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46516059)

Actually, the news talks that the government action is to block phones that are not homologated (technicaly certified) by the Brazilian's telecommunications agency (ANATEL, the coutrie's equivalent of the FCC). It doesn't have to do with sales tax and seems to be intented to prevent the use of "pirates" phones, that might cause problems to the telecommunications network or even to the users. For example: if you buy an iPhone in the USA you could use it at Brazil, because this model is homologated by ANATEL. However if you buy an obscure Chinese cell phone (derogatorily called in Brazil as "Xing Ling phones") that was not certified, then you will not be able to connect it to the mobile network.

Re: from Brazil (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46517561)

iPhone models sold in the US are different from the ones sold in Brazil (different frequencies) so they will be blocked

Call me jaded, but... (2)

dacarr (562277) | about 6 months ago | (#46516077)

...this line:

"This is not a joke, it's true!"

...in the OP makes my bogometer [catb.org] go to eleven.

Re:Call me jaded, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46516243)

Sure, because the leading news network from Brazil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rede_Globo) certainly is a joke webite.

Re:Call me jaded, but... (1)

TheDarkMaster (1292526) | about 6 months ago | (#46516839)

The "Globo" is the Fox News of Brazil.

Not surprised (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46516249)

Brazil is very tight about importing & exporting product. It's worse than Russia and China. I used to work for a global company with an office in Sao Paulo and getting hardware into that country was a nightmare, if not impossible. Customs still has one of our servers that never made it. Buying the same thing locally can end up with taxes costing 100% more than what the product is worth in the USA, if you can even get it at all. The rest of South America is no picnic, but Brazil is the worst.

Re:Not surprised (1)

TheDarkMaster (1292526) | about 6 months ago | (#46516783)

Is a scar of dictatorship. One motherfucker in the 60s had the "bright idea" to decide that any importation of computers should be banned or taxed absurdly, to "encourage local manufacturers." Today we have no local manufacturer, and computers continue costing twice or even more (More money to sustain the privileges of politicians). Do not forget that Brazil was never a civilized country.

Well, just don't go... (1)

jomcty (806483) | about 6 months ago | (#46516291)

Just don't go to Brazil for the World Cup in June.

Re:Well, just don't go... (1)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | about 6 months ago | (#46517065)

Please don't. I'll be going for a university engagement and a bunch of rowdy football travelers are going to gum up the flights and push prices up.

Another Reason (0)

dozr (70892) | about 6 months ago | (#46516365)

Just another reason not to go to Brazil

1. Being Murdered
2. Kidnap/Hostage
3. Phone Block

Was going to put STDs in there but I wouldn't spend that sort of time with the locals.

Submitter and editor are both retarded (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46516675)

They didn't understand the article at all.
While the automatic translation is far from being optimal, it makes pretty clear that any device, which model is certified by the Brazilian authority, will work, regardless of where it was purchased.
And the sale taxes part is pure speculation.

Re: Submitter and editor are both retarded (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46517629)

I work for one of the company implementing the system. iPhone, for example, has many different models, and the intent is to control smartphones not paying import taxes. Obviously government tell another story but any smart guy knows the real goal

First time eh (1)

nawcom (941663) | about 6 months ago | (#46516703)

"First time accepted submitter fabrica64 writes"

I'm curious what fabrica64's failed submissions were. This should of been one of them.

There's something wrong there... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46516855)

By what I understood, it won't block foreign phones. It will block phones not certified by the telecommunication agency, which means counterfeit phones.

Oh no, what will the Chinese do??! (1)

Powercntrl (458442) | about 6 months ago | (#46516887)

So, this is to prevent cheap Chinese knock-off phones from being usable? Well guess-a-what, most of them already include a helpful utility to set the IMEI to whatever you want. All the fix will be is a couple of lines of whatever the Portuguese equivalent of "Engrish" is called, instructing the buyer:

Much enjoy new DroidPhone Galaxy 5!
For luck of happiness, user set IMEI copy basicphone
Please IMEI set application WRITE IMEI
Excellent signal received all times!

Re:Oh no, what will the Chinese do??! (1)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | about 6 months ago | (#46517169)

That's the kind of feature I want to see in a phone. I want one of those cheap but functional Chinese (where they make all the phones) phones.
 

Thank you NSA and GCHQ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46517341)

Its not only an issue of taxes. Brazil wants less exposure to unregulated technology entering the country in large part due to the new Stasi at the NSA and British intelligence that are behaving like China (supposedly allies of the countries they've been spying on). Frankly I can hardly blame them. The US and UK used to be good guys. Today their establishment (which is different than average people) are a bunch of unprincipled undemocratic bullies that behave as if they run the world.

Not Deactivated until September (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46517455)

"However, these electronics will continue to operate normally until at least September, when the deactivations should actually begin."

So ANY device will work just fine for the world cup in June.

That was in the first paragraph. Could we please start reading the articles before creating summaries for them?

Very crappy interpretation of the original article (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46517673)

This is utter bullshit. Total crap. Total misunderstood of the original text. I'm living there so I know.

Brazil have a bunch of phones sold here coming from China, unfortunately these are not passing the Anatel label (equivalent of the US FCC) which is mandatory for usage in any Brazil carrier (just like in US). In fact they did not pass any label in whatever countries.

What they want is to make sure these pirated/copied devices do not sell here and are not used in Brazil. Why? Because people come and complain to the operators that the phone doesn't work and in many cases it's like a copy (bad) of say Galaxy S3. The thing did not even pass any kind of certification, is buggy as hell and then operators need to deal with bad PR when it's not their fault.

IMEI are unique in the world, it's easy for Anatel to incorporate databases from other countries and that's what they will do to make sure properly acquired phones are whitelisted. Do not worry if you bought an official phone wherever it was it's going to be ok. They just want to make sure the phones used in the Brazilian networks did pass certifications (E.U, FCC or whatever else) and get rid of pirated crap.

That's all. My gosh.

Re:Very crappy interpretation of the original arti (1)

tepples (727027) | about 6 months ago | (#46520655)

They just want to make sure the phones used in the Brazilian networks did pass certifications (E.U, FCC or whatever else)

Others claim it means the carrier will say "This model has passed FCC certification but, unfortunately for you, not Anatel. No service for you." What in the article rules out that interpretation?

and get rid of pirated crap.

Apple has maintained, and a U.S. court has agreed, that Android phones made by Samsung are pirated.

Insanity (1)

skywire (469351) | about 6 months ago | (#46517881)

It may be true, but it is nonetheless a joke.

It isn't in effect until September (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46518129)

"Porém, esses eletrônicos vão continuar a funcionar normalmente pelo menos até setembro, quando as desativações devem efetivamente começar."

Apparently someone doesn't know how to read Portuguese (or at least use google translate). The above is from the original article that apparently wasn't read by the person that posted this. Your devices will work fine by exchanging SIMs through September of this year. Which us AFTER the World Cup is over.

Whitelist vs Blacklist (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46518631)

What the brazilian agency says it wants is to block unapproved phones that harm the telco's network. If a device is illegal and known to do harm on the network, i'd say its ok to block it. Now, the part the sucks on the regulation is that allowing or not a device on the network will be done using a whitelist of models. So, if you buy a brand new Google Nexus 6 on the launch date and travel to Brazil on the next day, it wont work. IMHO, they should use a black list and block devices that are KNOWN to harm the network.

Lots of FUD here. (1)

acariquara (753971) | about 6 months ago | (#46519231)

The official policy is that if a device is FCC-certified or ETSI-certified, it WILL NOT be blocked.

http://macmagazine.com.br/2014... [macmagazine.com.br]

Lazy, lazy posting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46519313)

Anyone who bothered to check the local Gizmodo article about it (http://gizmodo.uol.com.br/anatel-bloquear-celulares-piratas/) would know that:

1) Any models approved by ANATEL or "international organizations from countries with whom Brazil has good commercial relationship" won't be blocked.
2) No rules regarding imported phones were defined yet.
3) It will not affect anyone who is already using a "banned" phone.

Re:Lazy, lazy posting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46520529)

So why doing this? It won't block existing non compliant models, only newly registered, so it's not done for a technical reason. I don't see why ANATEL is imposing mobile operator the cost of doing this if not to monitor irregularly imported phones. Rules are not approved because they don't want to scare people, they are saying is in testing, they will put very mild rules and then after october's elections rules will be changed. In the mean time they are recording all irregularities to clamp down on people...

Re:Lazy, lazy posting (1)

ospirata (565063) | about 6 months ago | (#46523137)

Not to mention that the "so-called" block would start only in September. Thus, does not apply for the period of the FIFA World Cup.

Brazil following Turkey (1)

Syirrus (2013418) | about 6 months ago | (#46519751)

Turkey has been doing this for a while. Money hungry pricks.

This is false (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46520455)

http://translate.google.com/#pt/en/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.anatel.gov.br%2FPortal%2FexibirPortalNoticias.do%3Facao%3DcarregaNoticia%26codigo%3D32941
Original in Portuguese: http://www.anatel.gov.br/Portal/exibirPortalNoticias.do?acao=carregaNoticia&codigo=32941

this will probably only start AFTER the World Cup (1)

extraqwert (983362) | about 6 months ago | (#46520693)

nobody in the government here would want such a major embarassment

Hy Bureaucracy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46521681)

What could ever go wrong? It's not like such a highly organized mass technocratic ideosyncracy could ever fail, misplace or mangle a authorization. Nor would something that only happens in backward theocracies - like a stuxnet - *ever* happen there. Everyone can count on being perfectly safe, happy and healthy. :-) Wealthy and wise, too. No unexpected blackouts in country that has more cellphones than people. Trust them.

This doesn't really matter (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46523953)

You can't get a Brazilian SIM anyway card without a CPF (basically a Brazilian Social Security Number).

One less reason to visit Brazil... (1)

smithmc (451373) | about 6 months ago | (#46535723)

...not that it was really at the top of my list anyway. But seriously? They expect you to buy a new phone just to visit/travel there? That's going to be a serious problem for a lot of people. It's almost as though they want you stay out.
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