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Quicktime In Linux

Hemos posted more than 12 years ago | from the glory-glory-hallejuah dept.

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brianmed writes "Yes, it works. Codeweavers has just announced their crossover plug-in. It enables users to access popular Windows files and plug-ins in Linux. Right now it is geared towards Quicktime, Shockwave, and Word viewers. Quicktime trailers play just fine. I also have pine setup to launch the the MS Word viewer on command. It is a happy day." Alright, time to start testing. I've also been talking with Jeremy White of Codeweavers: he's got a request for help, as well as an interesting piece on business models -- the Crossover is not entirely GPL. See the above for more information.

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Man, is slashdot... (-1)

Pr0n K1ng (160688) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227021)

didn't suck, this would've been a first post!

Re:Man, is slashdot... (-1)

ubertroll (153053) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227124)

Obviously, you suck more than Slashdot.

Re:Man, is slashdot... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227251)

Dear ubertroll,

Do you think it is OK to post on Slashdot while drunk?

Cool this rocks (1)

Dax_is_a_geek (415041) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227022)

FINALY QT in linux

oh yeah FP!

QT Good. ASF Support = Better. (1)

BigBlockMopar (191202) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227096)


FINALY QT in linux

Yeah, but let's face it, Quicktime is for the most part dead.

If Apple had been serious about it, there *would* have been at least precompiled Linux binaries for it; my only guess is that Microsoft's financial interest in Apple may have helped to prevent that from happening.

Of course, Windows Media Player's ASF support for Linux would be great, but I see no mention of it in the press release. Given that Microsoft went after Virtual Dub [virtualdub.org] for its support of ASF files (read the news archive):

"If I remember correctly, my reverse engineering of the ASF file format structure took place after the DMCA was enacted but before the anti-reverse-engineering clause took effect, and between the filing and issuing dates for the Microsoft patent. I will have to look up the exact dates, but ASF functionality existed in VirtualDub long before the infamous V1.3c release that will seemingly roam the Internet for eternity. This is, unfortunately, the same ASF parser that ended up in the Linux avifile library in modified form -- so anyone using that library needs to be careful. Frankly, I'm amazed my parser ever worked at all, given how nasty it was."

[sigh]

Please join with me in wishing cancer on Mr. Gates.

Re:QT Good. ASF Support = Better. (1)

felipeal (177452) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227145)

I don't think it's totally dead yet, as (unfortunately) a lot of movie trailers are still being released in Quicktime format at their site...

Re:QT Good. ASF Support = Better. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227153)

MPlayer [mplayer.dev.hu] plays ASF files fine in linux.

Although ASF format sucks IMHO. If you ask me, ASF is the dead format, not QuickTime.

Re:QT Good. ASF Support = Better. (1)

felipeal (177452) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227157)

Also, do Trolltech a favour and don't call QuickTime QT :)

Re:QT Good. ASF Support = Better. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227167)

Why not? Both are dying.

Quicktime is dying. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227220)

Lets look at the numbers &lt yaddda yaada USENET yaddda female zebra in heat yaddda &gt

Oh yeah?!! QT found dead. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227242)

QT, the GUI framework from Trolltech, was found dead at the age of 3 under a pile of used diapers at the city dump today. Eric S Raymond, noted homosexual communist rabble-rouser groused, "well of course it's dead, it's not GNU ". You may have never used QT, since it doesn't run on Windows, but still it failed to impact any of us at all. Truly an icon of American failure.

Re:QT Good. ASF Support = Better. (2)

jchristopher (198929) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227181)

Yeah, but let's face it, Quicktime is for the most part dead.

Anyone working with digital video on either Mac or Windows is likely using Quicktime for some or all of the process. Is that what you would call "dead" ?

Re:QT Good. ASF Support = Better. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227194)

But for how long?

Re:QT Good. ASF Support = Worse. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227199)

ASF is the suckiest suck that ever sucked.

Nice one (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227024)

Good job Homos.

-klerck

Cool! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227025)

The more we make Linux behave like Windows, the sooner it will make serious inroads!

Viva le no difference! (Pardon my French)

License is not cool either! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227070)

If it ain't GPL, don't let your friends run it.

Fabulous! (2)

Perianwyr Stormcrow (157913) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227026)

Well, now I have two out of three of the major video codecs available... often, things only offer either Windows Media or Quicktime.

Of course, what I'd really like would be native Flash authoring...

Re:Fabulous! (2)

jchristopher (198929) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227137)

Of course, what I'd really like would be native Flash authoring...

Oh, I'd kill for a native Dreamweaver... Macromedia has not shown much interest in Linux, unfortunately. Anyone know of a petition for this?

Unlike some people, I have no problem using closed source software (I wouldn't know what to do with the source if I had it) - I'll just use whatever the best tool is, and Dreamweaver is IT.

Re:Fabulous! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227180)

Macromedia sucks cock.

I'm so sick of all the sites that demand that you enable JavaScript, Java, Flash or something else to access their content.

If I can't access a fucking train timetables without enabling JavaScript (which in turn makes me vulnerable to fucking pop-up windows) then I won't use trains.

Re:Fabulous! (2)

jchristopher (198929) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227200)

Um, no. Macromedia is not to blame for all the javascript driven sites. It's up to the developer. You can use it to create javascript-free, flash free, etc. sites, if you choose.

Javascript lets developers do all kinds of things which are sometimes otherwise impossible. If the developer doesn't give you an alternative, blame them, not a quality tool.

If you don't like having popup windows, maybe you should look at switching to a browser or some other tool that lets you disable them?

Re:Fabulous! (1)

GreyPoopon (411036) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227184)

Unlike some people, I have no problem using closed source software (I wouldn't know what to do with the source if I had it) - I'll just use whatever the best tool is, and Dreamweaver is IT.


I'll second that. Dreamweaver is absolutely the ONLY reason I'm still running a Windows box on a regular basis. I would certainly pay the same price for a Linux version.

Re:Fabulous! (1)

seanmeister (156224) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227255)

Of course, what I'd really like would be native Flash authoring...

Yeah, me too... :(

The Labs [the-labs.com] has put together some Perl stuff that will do basic swf creation and manipulation, maybe someone could build on that?

cmdrtaco (-1, Troll)

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Nice first try! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227066)

Don't be so hard on yourself... it was a nice first effort! Keep up the good work.

Re:cmdrtaco (-1, Troll)

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Still waiting for Sorenson (2)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227028)

That is great to hear ( I am being serious ). The only catch is that the most of the QuickTime trailers use Sorenson and I can't see any legal way of getting this working on Linux, unless Apple changes the licensing between them and Sorenson. Maybe its time to encourage the use of a non-Sorenson codec?

That's what this *IS* (5, Informative)

ClayJar (126217) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227107)

You really should read the article before you post obviously stupid comments, but I'll forgive you of that, since I've done that myself (haven't we all). Anyway, to sum up the whole thing in one little line, CrossOver is a Wine-using thingy that lets you install the Windows version of the said plugins and use them as if they were Linux native Netscape plugins. (In other words, since you're using the Windows install of the Windows plugin, of course it works with Sorenson, and next time, click the link... it wasn't even slashdotted.)

Cool (2, Funny)

SpanishInquisition (127269) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227037)

Linux is now a stronger than ever platform for watching porn.

Re:Cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227103)

I so fucking drunk. I bet I'm gonna throw up tonight.

Anyway. Back to my high paying work tomorrow. It's great to write code for financial transaction security protocols while hung over...

Only in Europe!

The good news: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227039)

we won't have to call it "GNU/Crossover"

But its not free (as in beer) (2, Interesting)

Christianfreak (100697) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227044)

And that can cause problems. The website says that the plugin costs $19.95. I understand the need to compensate developers for their work but charging for a plugin that is free (as in beer) on other platforms is not going to migrate people to Linux. This will be news when there are free plugins that install right and work just as well.

Re:But its not free (as in beer) (1)

MaxVlast (103795) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227064)

Sheesh! Can't people ever get enough? These people did a lot of work, and they deserve to be able to have a company for it. Just because you have a free operating system, that doesn't mean that you deserve everything for no cost.

Re:But its not free (as in beer) (1)

DahGhostfacedFiddlah (470393) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227094)

No one's saying that the developers shouldn't be allowed to charge for their work. We're just saying that no one will pay for the work. How many popular formatscan you name that charge for their viewers?

Re:But its not free (as in beer) (2)

Xerithane (13482) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227240)

I'd be willing to be a lot of people will pay for it. I know I will. It's handy to be able to view documents in Linux that previously were either a pain in the ass or impossible to view.


Time is money, saving time to view this natively saves money.

Re:But its not free (as in beer) (1)

notext (461158) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227214)

You are correct. They don't have to offer it for free but if I am gonna pay, why not just pay windows and then I don't need any kind of wine?

For things such as this, is why I still have a windows box sitting next to me. Let me ask you this. If this was sold by Microsoft would you purchase it?

Re:But its not free (as in beer) (5, Informative)

Shadowlore (10860) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227106)

No, you cpmpletely misunderstand the plugin. How about reading the details first?

The plugin provides the means of runningn other plugins. With the crossover plugin, you can then run most non-ActiveX browser plugins.

This is not just a QT plugin. YOu can do many things, such as Shockwave, QT, and many other Windows-only browser plugins with this. In addition to these, you can also use the plugin for viewing various MS attachements, such as MSWord documents, and Excel spreadsheets.

What makes this useful, is that MS is trying to get rid of all non-activeX plugins in their newer browser. There are many die-hard Windows fans that are quite upset with this. This provides another opportunity for the disgruntled to see there are options. As for the price, come on. This is not twenty bucks to use QuickTime. This is twenty bucks to use a wide variety of plugins.

Given the lack of accurate information in the parent post, it is not an 'interesting' post anymore than other misinformation is interesting. It needs moderated back down.

Re:But its not free (as in beer) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227205)

it is not an 'interesting' post anymore than other misinformation is interesting

It said it's $19.95. I found that pretty interesting. Saved me from visiting their website and trying to download the stupid thing.

so what? (1)

tewwetruggur (253319) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227233)

If twenty bucks is that steep for something so potentially useful, that's just a sad commentary on some people. I welcome the chance to spend $20 to boot Win98 less often.

Is this good? (1, Troll)

Wind_Walker (83965) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227045)

I'm gonna get modded to hell for this, but who cares about Karma, anyways? :-)

Exactly what are we (meaning the Linux community) doing when we reverse-engineer these kinds of procedures? I mean, we rant and rave and scream about how terrible proprietary formats are, about how they destroy innovation, about how they are held by Evil Corporations (tm)... And then we reverse-engineer the system calls until we have something that works for us.

Shouldn't we, as a community, be concentrating our efforts on ways to make the computer world a better and happier place, rather than trying to emulate the big companies that are constantly oppressing the minority Operating Systems (Linux, BSD, etc)? These corporations are doing nothing but destroying our rights, and we emulate them.

It's time for the free software "movement" to destroy these corporations and their powerful, vice-like grip on information (including Quicktime formats) and instead develop our own methods of showing video on operating systems that are not inferior *cough*Windows*cough*

Re:Is this good? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227071)

No one pays for the quicktime viewer, name me one person or business that did. Apple loses nothing on this.

Now if this product were distributing a quicktime encoder for enterprise level systems, then I would have to agree with you.

>and instead develop our own methods of showing video on operating systems that are not inferior *cough*Windows*cough*

We are using our own methods to use the free players they hand out to any person that clicks a link. I love linux but lets be honest here, can you name me a better streaming codec than what microsoft has to offer ? No, dont think so.

Thanks, But your troll was not worthy. Have a nice day.

Re:Is this good? (1)

DahGhostfacedFiddlah (470393) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227073)

The second anyone creates a popular, free video format, Windows will offer it. Don't Linux users deserve the same thing? And in any case, this isn't hurting the creaters of these formats financially - it's helping by providing more computers to view their content.

I'm all for superior, innovative formats, but I'd like to be able to view older, crappier *cough*Windows*cough* formats as well.

Re:Is this good? (1)

VersedM (323660) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227080)

I use Kword but I still need to be able to read .doc files. I use ogg vorbis but still need .mp3 for compatibility. I use Linux but need Win4lin to connect to a citrix application server.

If Linux didn't support these proprietary formats, I couldn't have migrated over to it. Changes have to be made gradually. Free software has a much greater chance of winning if it is able to play on the same field as the competition. If you force people to make either/or choices by not supporting recognized standards (even if proprietary), you will forever shut out the majority of users from ever even trying free software.

Quicktime sucks anyways, at least off-mac (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227093)

I know mac users just love QT, and it looks/runs great on a mac, but it absolutely blows on a PC (similar to WMP on mac, of course). It's totally different - not even close to the same thing. It bogs down everything and redraws the whole window over and over again if you look at it sideways. I really wish people would just use mpeg and let people use whatever the hell player they want - mac can stick with QT player, or use something else even.

If anything, I think this is bad because it might help extend the life of QT movies.

Re:Is this good? (1)

Arcturax (454188) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227101)

Not really, I just see this as the free software community using "embrace and extend" against them. After all, Linux isn't going anywhere on the desktop until it runs what most people are used to, and that means quicktime, active x, and direct-x, .doc files, ect. You and I may not like some or even all of them, but that is what the majortiy of people are using. If we get them hooked on Linux first by letting them use this proprietary stuff in a free OS, then we can later introduce better things when Linux or insert-free-os-here has a large enough user base.

First convince them to use Linux or whatever other os you want. THEN mop up the rest.

Re:Is this good? (1)

mcelli (518034) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227123)

I'll explain exactly why this is good. Right now I can't watch these formats in Linux. Thanks to Codeweavers, a measly $20 will let me. That is good.

Sure, this doesn't conform to some Stallmanist ideology, but people who adhere to ideology often totally lose sight of functionality. (eg. the whole GNU/Linux debate). Personally, I just want to watch the video files, and I don't care how this fits into some guy's utopian dreams.

I think that the fundamental error in Stallmanism is it's strict adherence to law. True Marxists will violate laws that get in the way of their revolution. I call for a Neo-Stallmanism in which if we can't get codec's, we break into coroporate offices and steal them (or hack them, whatever's easier).

Re:Is this good? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227215)

Personally, I just want to watch the video files, and I don't care how this fits into some guy's utopian dreams.

Pornography beats freedom every time.

Re:Is this good? (2)

quartz (64169) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227144)

Well, I personally share your point of view. I always use the Free alternative, and when there is no Free alternative I don't buy (download) the product. It's not like I'm gonna die or anything just because I won't see a stupid movie trailer. But apparently there are people who *do* feel like they're gonna die if they won't see the stupid movie trailer, or people who feel that they should imitate everything under the sun in order to "make the migration path easier for users of other platforms", and they write stuff like this. I see nothing wrong with that. I get what I want, they get what they want, everybody's happy. It's not like anyone is opressed, on the contrary: when a Free alternative to something proprietary is released, it means less oppression, because there's more choice available. Unless, of course, the one who wrote the Free alternative gets thrown in jail over it. :-(

It's not Free (1)

luugi (150586) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227047)

Damn! I was hoping for it to be free. I understand they have to make their money someway.

For every action, there is an equal and opposite.. (1)

Alcimedes (398213) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227050)

Reaction!

he he, so IE6 drops quicktime, and Linux picks it up. good deal. i must say i'm a little surprised that Apple is better about making a Linux friendly quicktime viewer, especially in light of what asses MS have been over the quicktime plug-in....

Re:For every action, there is an equal and opposit (1)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227069)

Don't worry,IE6 lost the QT plug-in but is likely to have gained the QT active-x component.

Re:For every action, there is an equal and opposit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227231)

It's already there. Run Quicktime and a window should appear. Click OK and IE6 will take you to the Apple page to auto install the component.

Re:For every action, there is an equal and opposit (5, Insightful)

jchristopher (198929) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227097)

Apple needs Quicktime to run on Mac, because they want to sell their hardware to content developers.

Apple also needs for Quicktime to run on Windows, because that's what the content consumers use.

Apple does not care about Linux, because by comparison, very few of the content viewers use Linux.

Now, as much as you and I would love for there to be a Quicktime app/plugin for Linux, I don't see that support coming from Apple.

The only thing that will convince Apple to make Quicktime for Linux is a dramatic increase in the amount of desktop end-users running Linux. The best way you can make that happen is by increasing the usability and friendliness of Linux as a whole, by writing programs with clean GUIs and good documentation.

To put it in other terms, Apple does not care about a platform where you have to know to type "rpm -iv quicktime_plugin.i386.rpm" to install it. That needs to change first! 99% of the computing population can not, and will not understand the command line!

Re:For every action, there is an equal and opposit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227118)

The reason for that is usually not because they can't understand the command line but rather they have no need to understand it and their time is better spent doing other things that are more productive in their line of work.

Re:For every action, there is an equal and opposit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227236)

And gaining skills and knowledge that involve things other than computers, anime, and sci-fi/fantasy.

  • Writing Poetry
  • Selling Stuff
  • Talking to persons of the opposite gender

You know, stuff geeks aren't interested in.

Re:For every action, there is an equal and opposit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227146)

99% of the computing population can not, and will not understand the command line!

That, by the way, pretty much correlates with the moron factor of the world.

Fuck them!

Re:For every action, there is an equal and opposit (1)

zangdesign (462534) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227227)

And that pretty much translates out to a negligible loss of 1% market share.

Re:For every action, there is an equal and opposit (1)

RickHunter (103108) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227197)

That needs to change first! 99% of the computing population can not, and will not understand the command line!

From that statement, I can see you've been involved in the technical community for even less time than I have. People will use whatever interface they've been trained to use. All the people screaming for Linux UIs to imitate Windows don't want an easy-to-use or easy-to-learn UI. They don't want a UI that they have to learn any more to use.

I know numerous non-technical people who got by just fine with a command line and text-based programs for years. Switching them over to a GUI system is almost invariably painful, especially a Microsoft GUI. There's too much inconsistancy and randomness (from the view of the user).

As for install, what about having two files in a .gz archive, one being quicktime_plugin.i386.rpm and the other being install.sh, containing the fillowing:


#!/usr/bin/sh

rpm -iv quicktimeplugin.i386.rpm

That brainless enough for you?

Or you could just use a distribution with a halfway-decent package management system and type: apt-get install quicktime_plugin

(This post will be modded down for containing a clue, a real-world estimate of the intelligence of the average human being, and a positive opinion of Linux.)

Re:For every action, there is an equal and opposit (1)

Velex (120469) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227217)

I agree totally. Might I add also that Linux also needs to get away from X and "su root." Don't get me wrong, both methods work fine, but X has some clear limitations, and always having to be the root user to install software is very annoying.

Nobody wants to compile his own software just to put it under his user's home directory instead of globally. There needs to be something like InstallShield or Wise Install for Windows -- I double click the executable on my desktop, answer a few simple questions, and, *poof*, my scripts are updated and the software is installed. Something else that the installer should do is put icons all over the place -- sometimes annoying, but generally helpful: I hate going into the menu editor ("kdesu" this time, but still from a cli) to set up a launcher.

That point also brings me to another thing: icon embedding. There's nothing more annoying than having to do "rpm -ql whatever | grep xpm" to find an icon!

X needs a color pointer. It's just as simple as that. Ok, so ub3r geeks find Onna-Ranma's head for a pointer cheesy, but I like my pointer in windows, and I wish I could use it in X. GTK for the Framebuffer seems to be on the right track. When X was written, video accelerator cards weren't very common. However, nowadays everyone has one. I really would like Quake III to run at more than three seconds per frame!

As for the plugin itself, I won't buy it because that's what I already have Windows for -- mass multimedia. I don't watch any kind of video in linux because X is too slow and there isn't an mpeg or divx decoder around that will do fullscreen under Linux. If you think that Linux is multimedia -- you're kidding yourself: my 750 MHz Thunderbird with 224 MB memory linux box doesn't even compare to my Packard H3ll 300 MHz with 64 MB of ram for multimedia.

Re:For every action, there is an equal and opposit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227234)

Apple does not care about a platform where you have to know to type "rpm -iv quicktime_plugin.i386.rpm" to install it

Ever hear of GnoRPM? Red Carpet? Or are you too busy trolling?

MS didn't drop QT, they dropped a legacy plugin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227131)

format. Apple's had years to make plugins in the proper format for IE, and failed to do so until recently, when they HAD to. So if anyone is to blame, it's Apple. Quit trying to pin everything on MS - they're guilty of a lot, but not this.

Re:For every action, there is an equal and opposit (1)

kilgore_47 (262118) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227175)

o IE6 drops quicktime, and Linux picks it up. good deal. i must say i'm a little surprised that Apple is better about making a Linux friendly quicktime viewer, especially in light of what asses MS have been over the quicktime plug-in....

If there isn't one already, there will soon be a QuickTime active x component for ie6. And the quicktime-for-linux bit isn't by apple, its by the people at codeweavers. It allows the apple quicktime plugin for windows to work in linux. There is no apple support for quicktime on linux.

Somebody should tell these guys... (1)

MaggieL (10193) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227051)

...that there's a Flash plugin for Mozilla on Linux already.

Re:Somebody should tell these guys... (1)

quinto2000 (211211) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227082)

Shockwave is not the same as Flash. It is much harder to port because of the number of OS-specific calls it makes.

Re:Somebody should tell these guys... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227104)

but not shockwave.

i bet apple is going to sue thier ass off for profiting off thier proprietary codec. sorensen license absolutely forbids running any sorensen quicktime media on any platform other than mac and windows.

you get the cell next to dmitry.

Re:Somebody should tell these guys... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227189)

sorensen license

This kind of a draconian license just cries to be violated.

In the open source world where intellectual property is not real property no product such as this can survive.

Re:Somebody should tell these guys... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227212)

"In the open source world where intellectual property is not real property no product such as this can survive."

Well, as I'm sure you're aware, we're not nearly there yet. Don't forget your Russian dictionary so you & Dmitry can chat about the *current* state of affairs..

Re:Somebody should tell these guys... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227108)

Yes there is a flash plugin for linux, but not a shockwave plugin for linux. You can either use the native linux plugin or use the codeweavers flash plugin

So let me get this straight, Apple... (0, Flamebait)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227055)

...QuickTime is actually going to run under Linux on Intel hardware before it works on PowerPC hardware? Forget the "Megahertz Myth," let's talk about the "Platform Superiority Myth"...

Re:So let me get this straight, Apple... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227109)

Get your facts straight :all versions of the MacOS including OSX support Quicktime. Get back to your commodity hardware and maybe set some jumpers troll.

Re:So let me get this straight, Apple... (1)

Cyno (85911) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227151)

Okay, so you have a point about the MegaHertz Myth, but how can PowerPC compete with 2 Ghz systems shipping today and dual/quad+ 2Ghz systems on their way before christmas? I want some real world benchmarks to show me that these PowerPC chips are more than hype, that they really are supercomputers! Then I'll think about spending the extra $1000 over the cost of my cheap/modular PC hardware to get into a Mac. Now if all the Macs came with titanium cases it might be different. (MacOS is quite nice!)

Pay for watching Quicktime? (1)

Synn (6288) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227076)

20 bucks so I can watch Quicktime movies using a product that may or may not work with the next browser release?

Pass.

Closed video codecs = waste of time.

Funny thing is if Quicktime was open it probably would've been the standard by now(can you say pdf, mp3).

Too bad there isn't a video version of Ogg.

Re:Pay for watching Quicktime? (2)

flimflam (21332) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227161)

1) It's not just for quicktime -- it's works with lots of different plugins.

2) Quicktime is open. That's why xanim works. What isn't open is some of the codecs (like Sorenson).

Re:Pay for watching Quicktime? (2)

kilgore_47 (262118) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227208)

Quoted from the "real dirt" page at codeweavers:
(in fact, we have significantly aided the development of the ReAktivate project, which has the potential to make our product obsolete)

At least they give the impression that they're honest guys. I mean, they're asking us to buy their product and they can't help but mention its about to get made obsolete by a free alternative program.

Is this a good idea (4, Interesting)

skrowl (100307) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227077)

If I can write my software in Windows (90+% of the market) and know it will eventually be able to work through emulation on other platforms (EVER write a native app for a platform other than windows?

No flames / "Trolls!" / etc. This is a SERIOUS question from a professional (I get paid to do it!) Windows developer.

I don't get it (1)

luugi (150586) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227083)

The world is upside down. We now have to pay for something for Linux , when we could have it for free on Windows.

finally! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227086)

news for nerds... stuff that matters... now I can go take a dump.

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I Might be Wrong,,, (2)

kilgore_47 (262118) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227099)

...but I think that this is one of the most important news items I've seen in some time. Getting QuickTime to the linux desktop is an incredible step towards making linux viable for the average joe's desktop OS.

Its a shame that apple's "open source commitment" doesn't reach to the QuickTime team, or this would have happened a long time ago...

I think you're wrong (1)

jimmcq (88033) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227142)

I think this is one of the most important news items I've seen in some time

Unfortunately it's not free (it costs $20) and it doesn't include the Sorenson codec which means that it won't play most Quicktime clips.

Re:I think you're wrong (1)

Megahurts (215296) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227211)

It doesn't have to include the Sorenson codec, or any codec for that matter. It's an emulator. It'll run plugins for Netscape for Windows on Linux. Apple will be distributing the codec.

Another milestone achieved! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227100)

If that doesn't make Linux win the desktop then I don't know...

"stuff that matters" yeah right this site is getting better and better.

Linux wins again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227114)

Keep 'em coming boys. We win again and it feels soooo fine! Truly an awesome accomplishment.

More Linux News [linuxtoday.com] here.

Waffle much? (1)

dnorman (135330) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227115)

The penguins bitch about the degradation of the web into "proprietary standards" like QuickTime and Shockwave, yet rejoice when these finally become available on Linux...

At least stick to your guns. If you dislike these formats because they are proprietary, it shouldn't matter if they are available for whatever platform you use, because you don't want it.

If you disliked these simply because they weren't penguin-friendly, then admit that, too...

Lame (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227120)


This requires Wine, which makes it completely
unacceptable. No distribution will be able to ship with a
functional quicktime viewer.

Nice try, and I'm sure they'll sell a few, but this will not help
Linux one bit unless they are able to obtain distribution
agreements with all of the application vendors; and since it
is Apple's goal - under contract with Microsoft - to not allow
QuickTime to work on Linux, it will never happen.

Re:Lame (1)

zangdesign (462534) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227252)

What in the hell are you talking about? Have you actually read the contracts? Do you have proof?

Apple doesn't produce for Linux because a) there isn't enough demand - despite the preponderance of Linux users here and b) they have their own POSIX OS to work with.

Frankly, they don't NEED Linux yet.

What CrossOver is, and what it isn't (5, Informative)

rkent (73434) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227121)

CrossOver is NOT:
  • quicktime for linux
  • flash for linux
  • Word for linux
CrossOver IS a "netscape for linux" plugin that interfaces with a custom build of WINE [winehq.com], the Windows Emulator. Through this windows emulator, you may install and run the Quicktime (for Windows!), Flash (for windows!), and Word Reader (for Windows!) plugins. And CrossOver will handle the interaction for you, to make the windows VM appear in the appropriate window/panel for your browser of choice.

Since it's a Netscape plugin, it will work with varying degrees of success with other browsers, like moz and konq. Remember, the Netscape plugin format is the one IE is abandoning, so there might not even be any plugins to use with CrossOver after a couple of years.

That said, it's pretty damn neat. And I can see why they're charging for it - it's kind of a way to get *any* windows plugin to work as native plugins would under Linux. Of course the functionality isn't perfect, but I can definitely see business customers being interested if they have a need for things like that. Could be the essential migration tool for some shop...

Re:What CrossOver is, and what it isn't (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227239)

This brings in an interesting scenario.
I buy an Apple PPC(lets say $1000), put on it,
but can't run the quicktime plugin. (wine doesn't run on LinuxPPC last I heard)--and I can't use the quicktime plugin or any quicktime software

I buy a regular PC, put that other OS on it with quicktime plugin, and install along side it, never give apple a penny--and I can run quicktime, plugin and all

Good and Bad (2)

GrEp (89884) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227128)

It's sad that this plug-in isn't free software, but I wouldn't mind buying it because they do contribute a fair amount to the WINE project. It would be great if the FSF or some government organization would buy the code and GPL it.

If the US government spent as much money in grants to write free software as they do fighting M$ the computer world would be a much happier place.

Whew. (1)

justin_w_hall (188568) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227140)

Now maybe we won't have to listen to Taco whine every time /. links to something Quicktime.. was the "well guess I can't watch that" starting to grate on anyone else? :)

Re:Whew. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227206)

was the "well guess I can't watch that" starting to grate on anyone else?

Actually, no...not as much as the fact that apple (and M$, and others) exclude people who don't use their operating systems. Its *really* annoying to be the victim of corporate greed, you should try it some time.

This isn't the first... (2, Redundant)

ddstreet (49825) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227152)

...unless they specifically mean they can play the Sorenson codec. There are Free programs out there already that can play AVI, ASF, etc files; some I know about are:

Note that the avifile project has links to many other players...

XAnim is (AFAIK) the oldest player. It supports some AVIs but (IIRC) not ASFs...

Most of the ASF et. al. support comes from using the Windows binary codecs...

Re:This isn't the first... (1)

ddstreet (49825) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227166)

Sorry, I should have added they can play some quicktime movies (since that's the topic here). I've been able to play every QT movie I've encountered except Sorenson codec'd movies.

yes it is (1)

Smthng (71777) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227209)

RTFArticle

this can play sorenson video from what i see.

the quicktime for windows plugin plays sorenson videos.

this enables linux users to install the quicktime plugin for windows.

So you go figure it out.

Geez.

jobs killed quicktime for linux (4, Flamebait)

m@ltese (18217) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227170)

A buddy of mine was recently hired onto the streaming quicktime team at apple. When I asked him about QT for linux, he told me the team had it working months ago, but Jobs killed it.

Seems that quicktime is the feature that keeps Macs on the forefront of digital video production. To port it to linux would eat into Apple's niche market position.

Re:jobs killed quicktime for linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227235)

Maybe you can convince your buddy to leak the linux version? I'd gladly mirror it on my server and risk the consequences.

Congrats (1)

iggly_iguana (36376) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227172)

Personally, I would like to congratulate the guys on a job well done. I think the implications of what these guys have done have yet to be seen.

What I would suggest is that people look past what some consider to be the "limited" aspect of what has been completed, and imagine what can be accomplished with what they have learned.

Yep, I'll buy a copy. It won't be the first "non-open" software I've run on my linux box, and if they continue on the path they've chosen, hell, I'd like to help them!

In "related" news... (1)

felipeal (177452) | more than 12 years ago | (#2227188)

[slashdot.org]
... Micro$oft announced it would not support netscape plugins anymore, including Quicktime.

Maybe it's just a sad coincidence, but who knows...

too late for Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227218)

yes its too late to have this in the systems. Linux is dead....LONG LIVE XP

ActiveX grrrr (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2227228)

Isn't Micro$oft trying to eliminate Netscape style plugins, so basically Quicktime won't work for long.
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