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Requiring Software Freedom

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the freedom-and-compulsion dept.

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An Anonymous Coward writes: "CNET is carrying a story about the increasing momentum that Open Source software and 'Software Libre' are gaining in Latin and South America and Europe. A certain company from Redmond WA USA is mentioned several times in the article as the impetus to free foreign governments from certain onerous licensing agreements (not to mention the cost savings involved). It is interesting that some of these governmental entities are actually requiring the use of Software Libre, not just encouraging it. Maybe it's time to visit Rio?"

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No! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2230802)

This can't be possible!

Re:No! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2230824)

Yep, it is. No Numbers any more though! darn.

Re:No! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2230828)

what a waste of a fp! asshole.

Re:No! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2230829)

Yes!

fuckers (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2230822)

damn you are fucking stupid, if i dind't know better id' think you where niggers.

It does work the other way around... (1)

Cutriss (262920) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230832)

China has insisted on using Linux on all of its government servers.

Ironic, isn't it, that America's poster child of oppression and dictatorship chooses to use Slashdot's poster child [linux.com] of freedom and democracy to run their systems, eh? I doubt that they'll be doing things in the same light as the other countries mentioned here.

Re:It does work the other way around... (1, Insightful)

keesh (202812) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230864)

Not really. They're just deciding on the best operating system around, and for them it seems to be Linux.

Remember, part of the open source definition [opensource.org] is that software must be for anyone, whether it's a pro-freedom organisation or a bunch of international terrorists.

If you were to start saying that "It's free, but only to people we like", you're becoming worse than that certain company. AFAIK, they'll sell to pretty much anyone...

Re:It does work the other way around... (1)

agdv (457752) | more than 12 years ago | (#2231041)

If you were to start saying that "It's free, but only to people we like", you're becoming worse than that certain company. AFAIK, they'll sell to pretty much anyone...


So did Big Blue way back in WWII. And they got sued for it. I can only hope that no stupid idiots decide to sue Linus on behalf of the exploited people in all those countries.

Re:It does work the other way around... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2231057)

and that case was thrown out. Look up your info b4 posting.

whatever (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2230838)

why is VA Linux still posting pro-open source proganda?

I figured that now that they went closed source we wouldn't have to read these ridiculous crap stories anymore.

woot! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2230840)

trollin' for baby Jesus...

Microsoft..... (2, Interesting)

crumbz (41803) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230841)

.... makes the vast majority of their ca$h from US and Western Europe. I wouldn't be suprised if they are doing this as a PR move. It could be used to bolster their US case, i.e. look how we are helping the 3rd world, etc.

Economics of Software Freedom (2, Insightful)

Bodero (136806) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230842)

If there is something that both the FSF and I agree upon, it is that the production of software needs to be justified in terms of benefit to society. This presents a certain amount of difficulty. Benefit to society is a slippery concept and not an easily measurable quantity -- unlike tractor production. In addition, since Adam Smith, the best means of deriving that benefit are not necessarily direct. Which brings me to the subject of economics.

Before starting any discussion of economics, I need to pin down what I mean by ``benefit to society''. Underlying the attitude of this essay is the belief that a computer is just a machine, and the benefit of a machine is derived from its use to do things. From this point of view, the main benefit to society that software brings is that it allows users to run programs to do things that they regard as useful or entertaining. There is a clear economic component to this attitude: benefit to society can be regarded as the production of programs that users want to use. This benefit is hedged about usual common-sense provisions, of course; it's hard to argue that virus production is of benefit to anyone other than security experts.

An alternate view regards computers as ends in themselves. I'm someone who enjoys theoretical computer science and also enjoys tinkering with my systems for the pure love of it. So this view is something that I espouse in deed, if not in word. This point of view is of benefit to society in the same way that science, art or literature is; it expands our horizons and makes us mentally richer and more cultured human beings. This view is perfectly reasonable -- I also think that it is a view underlying many of the attitudes of the FSF. However, in terms of wider benefit to society, it is likely to be eclipsed by the purely utilitarian considerations of the economic viewpoint.

Re:Economics of Software Freedom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2230859)

no one cares. go away.

Re:Economics of Software Freedom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2230965)

Apes and keyboards...

April Fool's day? (4, Funny)

rkent (73434) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230843)

Waitaminnit -- The operating system we all know and love is gaining a following in South America, with the ensuing increase in demand for programmers familiar with that OS (us!) in beautiful, inexpensive beach locations with scantily clad people everywhere?

No way. It must be april fool's day.

Whoo hoo!

Re:April Fool's day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2231083)

Waitaminnit -- The operating system we all know and love is gaining a following in South America, with the ensuing increase in demand for programmers familiar with that OS (us!) in beautiful, inexpensive beach locations with scantily clad people everywhere?

Just one thing.

Do you speak Portugese?

Software Libre -- A Compromise? (3, Insightful)

Whyte Wolf (149388) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230844)

What I find most interesting about this Software Libre idea as proposed by some of the legaslative bodies involved is their definition of it. They seem to want to avoid the "Open Source vs. Free Software" rhetoric that we've been seeing recently--but even more interestingly, it seems that they're combining the two key factors the Free Software and Open Source communities expouse:

Firstly, the freedom to do what you will with the software. Who wants their government's (and by extension their) rights to use software restricted by a multi-national headquartered in another country?

And Secondly, the price is right. I'd rather see my tax dollars go towards quality software and support, -and- other services, than into MS's pocket for proprietary software that doesn't work (anyone remember Russia's lost nuclear materials? thanks MS SQLServer.)

hmmm... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2230845)

Once I got shafted by /.

Last night I submitted articles about Dilbert's cubicle, and now I have had another rejection only to be turned around and get shown the same article:

2001-08-29 15:18:19 Governments pushing Open Source (articles,usa) (rejected)

Once again, AC to protect karma.

Re:hmmm... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2230944)

"Once again, AC to protect karma.

It's karma sluts like you that give AC's a bad name.

IF I EVER MEEPT YOU, I WILL KICK YOUR GOAT!

Hey!!! (-1, Troll)

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Re:Hey!!! (0)

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Wow! I never realised how much cuter my martian looks in KDE... I've been seeing it in Opera (company policy...), it's much sweeter in Konqy... Huzzah for open source.

A natural course of action (5, Insightful)

GreyPoopon (411036) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230847)

Based on the somewhat limited success (so far) of the DOJ's case against Microsoft, this is a pretty predictable happening. Maybe other countries in the world are doing this for different reasons, but I can't help but think they've factored the prospect of Microsoft getting more out of control than now and inestimable licensing costs. Unless the leverage Microsoft uses from its monopoly on desktop Operating Systems is somehow broken, many countries will have no choice but to go this route.


I wonder what true effects this will have on the quality and quantity of free software.

Just foreign governments? (1)

tinrobot (314936) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230852)

Guess what - the US government is also beholden to Redmond for a lot of software. Perhaps they should follow this lead. Yeah, right...

Re:Just foreign governments? (1)

analog_line (465182) | more than 12 years ago | (#2231010)

Actually, the US government is starting to move toward open source more agressively. The NSA's version of Linux [slashdot.org] is part of that push. The US government has strict standards about how operating systems used by the DoD and other government agencies must conform to. Up until now, no one was willing to make Linux conform to those standards (mostly having to do with vastly increased accountability and granularity of the seperation of duties) so it wasn't allowed to be used for the big production environments that NT is currently being used on. There's been a big undeground open-source movement within the rank and file of the military (I've worked with alot of active-duty and former military IT/intelligence people) and projects like that are the outgrowth of that. The budget constraints are the other major reason, and were the real catalyst for getting this kind of thing moving. These things don't change overnight for large companies, and there's no valid reason anyone should expect the US government to change any faster.

This is a bad, bad idea. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2230854)

Open Source proponents might want to stop for a moment and realize that this isn't a good thing. This is, in fact, a very bad idea. This is mandating by law that you have to use an open source & freeware product. When the government is forcing you to use a particular style of software, everyone loses. Where is the freedom? What if I don't want to use a freeware solution for my software needs? What if there is no freeware solution to my needs? My only choice is to become a criminal or to not do my job.


No thanks.


Forcing people to use software by law is worse than anything Microsoft has ever done.

Re:This is a bad, bad idea. (4, Informative)

SirSlud (67381) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230922)

While your post borders on troll ...

If you read the article, you would understand that if no such free software exists to address your needs, most policies being discussed would allow for commercial alternatives. No one is holding a gun to your head. Also, the government isn't forcing you to use particlar software; the government is forcing the government to use particular software. It's called policy .. would you argue that not being allowed to show up at work naked is an infrigment on your 'freedom'?

Re:This is a bad, bad idea. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2231011)

Policy is policy. It's in the form of memo's, reports and guidelines. However, the article is taking about actual laws mandating it use in government. This is very different because it would require repealing the law by the existing government or a change in government. Something passed in parliament don't seem like a guideline or policy anymore.

Re:This is a bad, bad idea. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2231096)

If you read the article, you would understand that if no such free software exists to address your needs, most policies being discussed would allow for commercial alternatives. No one is holding a gun to your head.

If free software exists to address my needs (my government agency's needs, rather), but I choose to use a closed-source product instead, what are the penalties?

Also, the government isn't forcing you to use particlar software; the government is forcing the government to use particular software. It's called policy .. would you argue that not being allowed to show up at work naked is an infrigment on your 'freedom'?

Making it policy doesn't make it good in principle. "Policy" is just decisions made in advance so humans don't have to think later.

Not being able to show up to work naked is and infringment of my freedom, but an acceptable one, reinforced by societal norms, that exists because doing so would create a huge disruption in the workplace. There is little debate over the sensibility of wearing clothes to work. Choices about software are far less clear. There is obviously much debate over the merits of free software vs. proprietary software.

Re:This is a bad, bad idea. (1)

VultureMN (116540) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230960)

The articles specifically says that many of the proposed bills/actions say "software libre unless there is no software libre for the particular task; then proprietary is okay."


The US gov't should follow the same route. It makes no sense that the US govm't be beholden to standards of one software company, and it makes no sense that possibly sensitive information be stored on systems running a "black box" OS. I bet the DoD doesn't buy tanks or airplanes without getting blueprints; why should they just do the same with software?

Re:This is a bad, bad idea. (1)

Kenyaman (458662) | more than 12 years ago | (#2231046)

IIRC, Ada was invented explicitly to ensure that the government could always get and keep source code for all its projects, and that it could assing modifications to different contractors.

You'd think the DoD would be dropping Windows like flies and flocking to "Software Libre" for precisely the same reasons. While I'm sure M$ is willing to let the govt. have access to Windows source code in exchange for a huge contract, I'm also willing to bet there are strings attached which prevent the govt. from, say, handing that to Company B and having Company B extend it, fix blue screens, etc.

Re:This is a bad, bad idea -- 13th amendment issue (2)

coats (1068) | more than 12 years ago | (#2231065)


The US gov't should follow the same route. It makes no sense that the US govm't be beholden to standards of one software company...


And when it deals with individual citizens, I do not take it as Constitutional for the US government to require that those citizens be
subservient to Bill Gates.


Of course, I do believe that the Constitution is supposed to restrict the US
government, which is rather an unusual opinion
these days.

Hell, no, Re:This is a bad, bad idea. (1)

mami (209922) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230981)

My government does what I and the majority my fellow citizens want it to do, I don't know about yours. But if you are so just darn scared of your own government, then change the way you choose it, and change the way they make and impose their laws on to you in a way that they loose your trust of being treated fairly.

My government has permission from me to take the freedom to demand that Free or Open software should be used. How about that much of freedom ? Directly given to my government, by the people for the people.

good (0, Redundant)

jchapman2004 (258078) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230856)

microsoft is just jealous. GREAT news for linux once again

Just as soon... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2230857)

...as they try to do something productive, they'll be back to M$.


Nature of the Beast, baby.

Where's the freedom? (3, Insightful)

seanmeister (156224) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230858)

I'm not looking to troll or start a flamewar here (I use Free software every day), but if one is required by law to use Free software, doesn't that represent a loss of freedom? Isn't freedom of choice important as well?

Re:Where's the freedom? (2)

Znork (31774) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230921)

Not for government agencies. Anyway, as the MS proponents are so fond of saying, nobody's _forcing_ you to use free software, you just wont be able to communicate with anyone else with those .doc files anymore. Oh, and those taxes should be filed with GnuCash. Heh.

Re:Where's the freedom? (1)

Peter La Casse (3992) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230933)

Sometimes, by restricting some freedoms, we ensure greater freedoms. For example, by restricting the freedom of somebody to murder me, the law ensures that I am free to live.

Re:Where's the freedom? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2230939)

I ask RMS once the same question. RMS said something
like this: "The freedom to choose non-free products, is not a freedom, you will reclaim the freedom to be attached with chains?"

Re:Where's the freedom? (2)

UberOogie (464002) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230942)

While you do have a point, I think there is a general gain of freedom in that you at least can know everything about, and even contribute directly to, the software that you use, even if you are compelled to use it.

Re:Where's the freedom? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2230982)

You're reaching, man...

Re:Where's the freedom? (1)

HoldmyCauls (239328) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230953)

I think they're just requiring it to be used in gov't offices -- not a bad idea, since it frees up taxpayers' money, which can then be used on whatever OS they want! (Or, perhaps a donation to the FSF, EFF, et al?).

Re:Where's the freedom? (2)

1010011010 (53039) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230964)

There is no loss of freedom with these kinds of bills; the governments are just saying that the governments should use free software, not that the citizenry has to.

It's like Kmart mandating the use of Windows 2000 in its operations.

Re:Where's the freedom? (2)

Sloppy (14984) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230968)

You completely missed the point. No one is requiring by law that anyone use Free Software. What they're requiring is that taxpayer money only be spent on Free Software. It's a way of making sure that taxpayers get the most for their money. It's anti-pork.

Re:Where's the freedom? (2)

SirSlud (67381) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230973)

Yeah, thats some dangerous rhetoric there. Does the dress code at your work infringe your freedom to show up naked, or does it protect the freedom of your co-workers not to have to see your wang?

See what I'm sayin'?

The freedom is in your own computer! (3, Informative)

John Harrison (223649) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230974)

I'm not looking to troll

It seems you're not looking at the article either. :)

From the first paragraph of the article:

A recent global wave of legislation is compelling government agencies, and in some cases government-owned companies, to use open-source or free software unless proprietary software is the only feasible option.

And further on in the article:

The cradle of the new wave of laws mandating free software appears to be Brazil, where four cities--Amparo, Solonopole, Ribeirao Pires and Recife--have passed laws giving preference to or requiring the use of "software libre." Other municipalities, states and the national government have mulled similar legislation....

Elsewhere around the globe, Florence in June passed a motion mandating the use of "software libero" when feasible. A handful of smaller Italian municipalities, including Pavia, have passed similar motions. This isn't about restricting the freedom of an individual to use whatever software they want. It is about government setting policies for its agencies, just like any company is free to dictate what software is used within the company.

Interestingly RMS has this to say about the recent wave of new laws:

Activists and programmers, while they welcome the free-software-only initiatives, say they're holding out for more sweeping legal protections for their work.

"These laws are not the kind of help we most ask for from governments," said Stallman. "What we ask is that they not interfere with us with things like the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, with software patents, with prohibitions on reverse engineering that enable companies like Microsoft to make proprietary data formats and prohibit our work. Those are the main obstacles to satisfying the software needs of humanity."

It seems that he partially agrees with you. At least this isn't something that he is actively pushing for. All he wants is the freedom to produce software. Seems reasonable, doesn't it?

Re:The freedom is in your own computer! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2231060)

All Stallman wants is to see Linux get crushed by Stallman/Hurd. Every advance that Linux has made has been disparaged and discouraged by RMS. That he has no love of Linux is evident in his actions regarding glibc [slashdot.org] .

He has the freedom to produce software, and the freedom to protect his creations. He's just bitter that it isn't *his* creation that's making all the progress under *his* banner.

Re:Where's the freedom? (1)

FatRatBastard (7583) | more than 12 years ago | (#2231001)

I feel the same way. Loath it as I may, I actually agree with the MS flack who says you should use the software that's best suited for the job, even if it costs more.

Now, having said that I think that Linux/*BSD/ et al will probably have the inside track on most non specialized software (file servers, web servers, maybe even desktop), and I think that in all procurement cases you should try to avoid locking yourself into one provider [ottawacitizen.com] like those crazy Canuuk librarians.

Re:Where's the freedom? (2)

ethereal (13958) | more than 12 years ago | (#2231015)

I kind of agree with that, and by extension with Microsoft's point on this: you should use the best tool for the job. I would be satisfied to see open source software/free software get an equal shot at government contracts, with preference given to no one. I'm not sure how absolutely prohibiting Microsoft is good for anyone; I'd like to think that open source/free software can win on its own merits more often than not.

This assumes a level playing field without any under-the-table kickbacks from Microsoft, and disregards questions of whether you want to run your country's government on a foreign company's software, of course. National security would be one good reason that I could see for instituting a total ban on foreign software, at least in sensitive parts of the government.

Re:Where's the freedom? (2)

Arandir (19206) | more than 12 years ago | (#2231076)

You make an excellent point, but at the same time ignore an important one.

Citizens aren't being required to use Open Source. Only the government is. It's still a bit of a stretch though. What I would rather see is to add certain items to the standard governmental procurement checklists:

  • Source code is available
  • Software can be modified by user
  • Software (modified or not) can be deployed/distributed without paying additional license fees


But your point is still well taken. So many people are caught up in the FSF rhetoric that they would enslave people in order to free them. The four freedoms listed by the FSF are wonderful. But they are not the primary freedoms in a person's life. Freedom to choose what software you want to use ranks higher. To limit that choice in the name of freedom is hypocrisy.

Don't forget us in Africa (3, Informative)

tapiwa (52055) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230860)

Arica as well is fast becoming Linux Country.

A combination of a fair amount of old hardware still in use, and the expense of software... typical licence (Win 9x) costs more than the minimum monthly wage.

Compound this with the fact that there are many enterprising minds in Africa... and you have a team of hackers to rival any in the 'First World1

Re:Don't forget us in Africa (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2231072)

No doubt that there are many people in Africa who could do excellent programming work. However, they've got much more serious problems to work on that more than a little preclude them from hacking on Linux for fun.

Brazil & Licensing (1)

stx23 (14942) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230862)

Why doesn't the Government of Brazil just pirate Windows?
If they respect drug licensing laws, why should they respect software ones?

Re:Brazil & Licensing (1)

stx23 (14942) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230878)

That should say 'If they _don't_ respect drug licensing laws'.

don't mix up the meanings of 'free'! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2231014)

Saving money is just one reason to switch to software libre. They also want to break away from corporate control. When you use Microsoft products, you're locked in their upgrade cycle, and you have to adapt to their whims. If you use products which are not controlled by a single entity, you have greater freedom to use the software as you like, and to change it as you like to your own needs.

Good! (2)

SirSlud (67381) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230866)

C'mon, give up! We all know there is no viable business model in running a foreign country!

Or at least that's what Steve Balmer might say. ;)

On a more serious note, woohoo. This is exactly what we need .. nations entrenched in capitalism forget that domestic development must almost always be sparked by the government. This is hard to do for many governments, since they have little money to begin with. Anything that saves money for governments in these types of countries is good, as they can turn around and use the money they saved to spurn domestic market development and growth. (At least somewhat .. unfortunately, one of the goals of all these free trade talks are to prevent countries from being able to award contracts to domestic companies preferrentially in order to encourage growth in the domestic economy.)

Re:Good! (2, Funny)

rgmoore (133276) | more than 12 years ago | (#2231047)

C'mon, give up! We all know there is no viable business model in running a foreign country!

Now this is obviously not true. Everyone knows that running a foreign country is a very profitable business, so long as you take the following steps:

  • Give fat government contracts to your friends and relatives
  • Give important contracts (i.e. ones that actually must produce results) to the company that offers you the largest kickback
  • Embezzle heavily
  • Stash proceeds in a Swiss/Cayman Islands bank account
  • Hotfoot it out of the country one step ahead of the revolution

By following these simple steps you can make running a country a very profitable line of work. Do be sure, though, not to miss that all important last step.

weird (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2230867)

Something queer is going on in this [slashdot.org] post. The first post was posted AFTER the second post.

Send in the marines! (2, Informative)

jack deadmeat (515264) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230877)

Back in the 1920's or so, United States companies used the US Marines to crush worker rebellions and strongarm countries for profits. This is where the term banana republic comes from. Anyway, everyone keep an eye out for Microsoft hiring a mercenary army away from Shell Oil or something... or convincing investors that open-source software isn't as secure as M$ software, and they shouldn't invest in countries that don't use M$, the prefered OS of the Free World!.

Totally off topic but informative rant by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC.

"War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.

I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.

I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.

There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism.

It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.

I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.

During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents. "

Second Post! (2, Informative)

Kaiwen (123401) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230879)

[This is the closest I've ever come to FP]

Here in Taiwan, I don't think cost is as much of a factor, given the high rate of Windows piracy (even, I suspect, in government offices). As an example, when I recently went shopping for a new home system, I explained to the sales critters that I didn't want Windows, because I was planning on loading Linux and didn't want to pay the Microsoft tax. The response was always the same: You might as well take it, since it's FREE! Not a single store I visited loaded legal copies of Windows, for the simple reason that razor thin profit margins don't allow it.

Add to that the Chinese mindset which doesn't quite grasp Western concepts of intellectual property: the attitude here is that if I purchased (not 'licensed', Western-style EULAs not withstanding) a Windows CD, it's mine to do with as I wish -- including installing it on every machine in the office. You can begin to understand why Windows piracy rates in China are estimated at 95% or higher.

Lee Kai Wen
Taiwan, ROC

Re:Second Post! (1)

Kaiwen (123401) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230918)

[This is the closest I've ever come to FP]

Yeah, OK, so not even close. When I started composing my message there was only one other comment. Ninety seconds later, there were dozens. Doesn't anybody have better things to do with their time?

Re:Second Post! (2)

quartz (64169) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230995)

the attitude here is that if I purchased (not 'licensed', Western-style EULAs not withstanding) a Windows CD, it's mine to do with as I wish -- including installing it on every machine in the office

Even when there are no IP laws to worry about, pirating windows is STILL not enough, especially for institutions with specialized needs, like government entities. How are you going to modify windows to suit your needs? You can't, because there's no source code. That's why Free software is the perfect choice for governments: you can pretty much alter it for your needs to any degree with minimal costs, AND you can make damn sure there are no nasty backdoors for those American imperialist agents to spy on you.

Re:Second Post! (2)

Syberghost (10557) | more than 12 years ago | (#2231008)

It's probably moot, anyway; considering the Brazilian attitude toward American patents and copyrights (which isn't "ignore them" per se like China and Taiwan, but is more like "legislate them out of existence), Windows will probably be Free Software there by the time this is over.

When the government leaders start feeling the pain (2, Interesting)

Aexia (517457) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230884)

They'll start switching over to something else.

A couple years ago I was a sys admin for a congressional office. We had installed a new web-based version of our CMS software. It was buggy as well, half of it because of IE's instability and unwillingness to integrate with WordPerfect and the other half because of the poor programming. It was frustrating to use and we sent numerous bug reports to the company to no avail. Other offices were having the same problem.

When did the House start taking action against said company? Not long after the House Leadership bought the software, the House tech side finally started making legal noises and fixes finally got made.

So when Dennis Hastert's office or Tom Daschle's office starts getting really fucked over by MS, they'll switch to something else, change the tech guidelines and soon the rest of the House and Senate will follow.

Micros~1 and the OPECkers (2, Insightful)

Hygelac (11040) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230887)

Hmm...I've never thought of it like this before. Micros~2's relationship with many governments is a lot like OPEC is to the US. The US is heavily dependant on OPEC for petrolium, and OPEC could wreak havoc on our economy and our ability to defend ourselves. Micros~3 could essentially do the same things to a foreign power, and it would take weeks for a nation to recover if Micros~4 decided to cancel services to a nation. The upcoming technologies Micros~5 wants to deploy would make this even easier. Think about it...

*REQUIRING* is *not* freedom (-1, Redundant)

l3377r0lld00d (446065) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230890)

I'll save you the trouble, Score -1, redundant

welp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2230895)

I guess if they are required to use only free software doing business with VA Linux is out of the question, now that VA has adopted a Microsft style business model.

Of course with the stock at 1.58 and falling i don't think they'll be around much longer anyhow.

The real challenge (1)

mcelli (518034) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230898)

This is really great news. I love to see the spread of linux, especially withing government institutions. The problem is that we cannot really make claims that Linux is "cost effective" unless we address education of IT staff.

I work in a small-med size office, and have been advocating Linux here forever, claiming it would cut costs and is more reliable. Why do they always refuse? Training. Even if it is 100x more reliable, if it breaks, no one but me can fix it, and that's not good enough.

We should continue to advocate Linux in the workplace like this, but this advocation should also reach out to schools. A 2 year tech support course should include Linux as well as Windows. That, at least, would be a real victory.

As it is, Linux staff costs more than Windows (at least here in Vancouver), but if training was more popular, only then could Linux be truly "cost-effective"

The quote from Stallman at the bottom of this article made me laugh:

Those are the main obstacles to satisfying the software needs of humanity.

Software needs of humanity...a nice idea except for the fact that most of humanity doesn't have access to a computer!

Re:The real challenge (1)

Aexia (517457) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230926)

Training in government shouldn't be that hard a problem as most admins(at least when I was there) don't know how to use Microsoft stuff either. Linux will be just as easy/hard for them to learn.

I'm not kidding. When I worked for Congress, the systems administrator for many offices was usually the receptionist. They passed responsibilities for the job to the lowest rung in the ladder.

All I am waiting for (1)

mami (209922) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230903)

is that my government finally starts supporting Linux Certification Programs via their unemployment benefits packages to (re)train adults.

It's a shame. Programming and Linux is used and offered in highschools, but adults who need retraining, reintegration can't get it at affordable prices.

Hopefully SuSe kicks some slow bureaucrats in their behinds to make them understand, hopefully IBM and Siemens help them with it.

And of course governments should demand to use GPL software and Linux in the public sector whereever it is possible. The UNDP should support it as well and hopefully will do so.

End of story.

This is a good time... (2)

Angst Badger (8636) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230908)

Now that the tech industry has declined and much of the recent boom has been shown to have been based on overinflated expectations and pure bullshit, it will be more difficult for proprietary software advocates to argue that the economy is driven by software sales. (Of course, that notion was laughable from the outset, but there's no use in shouting over the gold rush.) This is therefore an excellent time to push for adoption of free software by businesses and governments.

There is a sense in which software drives the economy: good software makes it possible for people to do more work and therefore be more productive. Commercial software and free software alike contribute to productivity, but only free software does so without imposing burdensome licensing costs which drain profits and therefore reduce the amount of liquid assets available for reinvestment. One wonders what the Fortune 500 could have accomplished with the billions they've paid Microsoft in recent years if they'd had that money to spend on new business ventures.

Re:This is a good time... (1)

paranoic (126081) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230979)

They did spend billions on new business ventures. Where do you think some of the money that fueled the internet bubble came from?

Requiring The Use of Open Source Software (1)

DannyO (202735) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230916)

The article makes a strong point regarding the difficulty of running this software in existing agencies. The trained user/administrator base is just not there.

Being a former state employee, I can just imagine the Governor or Legislature mandating the use of Open Source software. Consultants like myself will make even more money off SG than we already do now.

From a selfish point of view, by all means go for it and require Open Source software. I'll do OK. As an uninterested but informed taxpayer, I'd be a little leery about it, however.

I'm a firm believer of using the right tools for the job. Using Open Source is most definitely a viable option in many environments. Requiring it when a commercial option is more cost effective just does not make good business sense. (And there are places where commercial is most definitely better.)

Re:Requiring The Use of Open Source Software (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2231098)

A lot of it depends on what people are doing, too. It isn't really any harder to compute stuff in Gnumeric than Excel; it probably doesn't even require a significant amount of training to get people to switch. Then in addition to not paying licensing fees, they're not having to pay consultants like you to come over and fix things every time a macro virus does something unpleasant. Not cost effective?

Another thing to think about, though, is that training still happens somewhere, and the labor force will eventually adapt to whatever they need to. (Hell, they adapted to Windows! And it really wasn't all that long ago that people didn't need to know Windows. They had to know WordPerfect instead.) When the world is beginning to switch from horses to cars, the labor available 5 years later is all going to know how to drive. Likewise, if one of the conditions for getting a government job is that you have to know how to use Gnumeric, then within a couple of years, all the applicants are going to know how to use Gnumeric. It doesn't cost any more to train people for one product than the other, so whatever training costs there are, are a one-shot thing for the switchover. When you look at some of the horrible costs associated with not switching, that one time expense gets recouped pretty fast.

Microsoft's Reply (2)

tb3 (313150) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230923)

From the article "We're supporting the position that the decision by government to acquire technology should be based on the benefits and value of that technology and not on limiting those possibilities."


Do a cost/benefit analysis of Microsoft Server software vs Linux. Doe any else think Microsoft has shot themselves in the foot with this statement?

Software is... like drugs.... (2, Insightful)

Sodakar (205398) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230928)

Can't afford it? Don't worry, the first one's on me...

After all, that's the business model for software, isn't it? (shareware, etc) I am not saying Microsoft is evil -- they are doing what is good business for them, and to someone who does not have money, that may *seem* evil. But... it's not. It's just the capitalist economy at work, folks...

So... I think these countries are smart... They see the large hook in the eventual future... IT doesn't have to be just Microsoft -- it can be any first-rate, high-priced software company. If you bite now, you will be hooked in and be forced to pay high license costs forever... It's a good business decision -- if you don't have money, it's much better to use free software. If you really want to make it a point, you make it a law.

Honestly speaking, Linux and other free software works just fine. Give 3 complete newbies 3 different boxes (Mac, Win, Linux)... I've found that they adapt just as quickly/slowly, and the bundled software on each platform works quite well for all of them. (the only time you get messed up is in opening Win stuff on other platforms, but that's really not anyone's fault but M$) Forcing free software on a country is a rather interesting tactic, but it sure seems a lot better than being locked down to an expensive license contract -- especially if I don't have money to begin with...

Good news! Both Open Source and Open Content rock. (1)

MarkWatson (189759) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230929)

Although I need to run Windows 2000 about half the time (I am an author, and many publishers want Word documents and provide all sorts of macros that don't always work in the excellent OpenOffice), Open Source is a big-big win for:
  • End users - can't beat the price, and Linux with KDE, etc. is fine for a naive user, if they get a little startup help
  • Programmers working as consultants and for in-house development - a time/money saver because of code re-use
  • Government and large organizations - no license costs, often easier install because of not having to mess with license servers, etc.
Let's face it: Windows 2000 is a great OS, and there is a lot of good (often Open Source!) software for Windows 2000 (forget about previous versions!), but Linux is catching up fast.

As an author, I am also getting into Open Content, largely because of a desire to "give something back" to society. (I just released a web book on Java and AI at www.markwatson.com - pardon the plug :-) )

Best regards,

Mark Watson

Yeah, tell that to Puerto Rico (1)

Uggy (99326) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230930)

The Puerto Rican government is married to Microsoft. I work for a Linux company here and we have such difficulty fighting the culture of colonialism. EVERYTHING from the States is better and everything from anywhere else is crap. Yet because of the recent nationalistic surge with the navy bombing of Vieques you'd think the current Pro autonomous government (Partido Popular Democrático) would be trying to extricate itself from its dependence on Microsoft... well, THAT tune hasn't changed.

Puerto Rico is a relatively poor island that could use some common sense and to stop dumping its money into MS's coffers. I'd prefer more decent roads, clean water, and less than pathetic public education to paying MS more dinero.

Ahhh the irony! (1)

Robber Baron (112304) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230932)

The cradle of the new wave of laws mandating free software appears to be Brazil, where four cities--Amparo, Solonopole, Ribeirao Pires and Recife--have passed laws giving preference to or requiring the use of "software libre." Other municipalities, states and the national government have mulled similar legislation.

So now...is their BSA (Brasillian Software Agengy, maybe?) going to send out nasty form letters demanding that they cease and desist using licensed software?

We'll see more of this (2)

milo_Gwalthny (203233) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230934)

What would any non-US, non-Western European country have to gain by respecting the intellectual property 'rights' of the US or Western Europe? Brazil deciding to ignore the patent on certain AIDS drugs is just the beginning of their realization that they have almost nothing to lose.


I'm surprised that Italy didn't just announce that Microsoft's copyrights were no good there.

Re:We'll see more of this (2)

milo_Gwalthny (203233) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230972)

Whoops... I guess Italy *is* part of Western Europe. In place of Western Europe above, use Germany, Benelux, Switzerland, France and half-weight the UK.

Re:We'll see more of this (1)

Mija Cat (94021) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230996)

Nothing to loose?

Umm, nothing except (a) lots of US foreign aid and (b) lots of US business investments and (c) lots of the same from Western Europe.

The biggest problem holding back mass cash infusions into the former Soviet bloc is the lack of "rule of law"; that is, the government encourages a "partnership" between a local shop and a multinational, then siezes control once the project is off the ground. In the most extreme form, there's a story around somewhere about the manger and employees of a Subway ejecting the American partners at gunpoint.

Re:We'll see more of this (1)

ethereal (13958) | more than 12 years ago | (#2231034)

If you get on the bad side of the WTO, though, you can end up in a huge trade war pretty quickly. I imagine no country wants to be cut off from exporting to the West and/or Western tourism; revoking copyrights would be a big step in that direction.

Also an enormous trade imbalance (3, Insightful)

gelfling (6534) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230940)

LA countries are moving quickly into the double whammy of currency crises and recession. Argentina and Brazil represent huge ecnomic problems. What better reason to not export cash out of the country on increasingly poor terms, eg. dollars when local currency is dropping like a stone. So the natural consequence is to look for ways to keep the money in-country and if possible, not spend it at all. This way LA countries can not only save cash but can help prop up local employment by breeding a cadre of support personnel.

Rio (1)

bribecka (176328) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230947)

Maybe it's time to visit Rio?

Sure, let's all go...never mind the fact that they have a seriously out of control murder rate. I think I read that last year there were somewhere around 11,000 murders just in Rio.

Any takers?

howdy doody (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2230952)

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Proceeds of $50,350.
21-Dec-00 TWICKLER, BRUCE A
President 10,000
LNUX Exercised Options at $0.06/Share and Sold at $8.13/Share.
Proceeds of $80,700.
21-Dec-00 AUSTIN, ALAN K
Director 189
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $1,607.
20-Dec-00 BORO, LAUREN I
Shareholder 1,554
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $15,090.
20-Dec-00 BELL, SUZANNE Y
Shareholder 69
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $565.00.
19-Dec-00 TWICKLER, BRUCE A
President 15,000
LNUX Exercised Options at Average of $0.06/Share and Sold at $10.04/Share.
Proceeds of $149,770.
18-Dec-00 RUSSO, ROBERT
Affiliated Person 5,000
LNUX Sold at $12.00/Share.
Proceeds of $60,000.
18-Dec-00 TWICKLER, BRUCE A
President 15,000
LNUX Exercised Options at $0.06/Share and Sold at $10.50/Share.
Proceeds of $156,600.
15-Dec-00 RUSSO, ROBERT
Affiliated Person 10,000
LNUX Sold at $11.43/Share.
Proceeds of $114,300.
14-Dec-00 DEFILIPPS, THOMAS C
Shareholder 92
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $1,179.
14-Dec-00 ZEHR, GREGG E
Vice President, Engineering * 20,500
LNUX Sold at $11.29/Share.
Proceeds of $231,445.
14-Dec-00 RUSSO, ROBERT
Affiliated Person 5,000
LNUX Sold at $11.25/Share.
Proceeds of $56,250.
14-Dec-00 RUSSO, ROBERT
Affiliated Person 10,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $114,368.
14-Dec-00 TWICKLER, BRUCE A
President 5,000
LNUX Exercised Options at $0.06/Share and Sold at $11.63/Share.
Proceeds of $57,850.
13-Dec-00 RUSSO, ROBERT
Affiliated Person 10,000
LNUX Sold at $14.54/Share.
Proceeds of $145,400.
13-Dec-00 ZEHR, GREGG E
Vice President, Engineering * 4,500
LNUX Sold at $14.22/Share.
Proceeds of $63,990.
13-Dec-00 ZEHR GREG TRUST
Trust, Trustee 50,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $700,000.
13-Dec-00 TWICKLER, BRUCE A
Affiliated Person 50,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $700,000.
13-Dec-00 RUSSO, ROBERT
Affiliated Person 10,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $145,429.
13-Dec-00 TWICKLER, BRUCE A
President 12,798
LNUX Exercised Options at $0.06/Share and Sold at $12.60/Share.
Proceeds of $160,487.
13-Dec-00 TWICKLER, BRUCE A
President 10,000
LNUX Sold at $13.93/Share.
Proceeds of $139,300.
12-Dec-00 INTEL CORP
Shareholder 250,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $2,589,075.
12-Dec-00 SHORE, DANIEL K
Vice President, Operations 10,000
LNUX Sold at $9.75/Share.
Proceeds of $97,500.
11-Dec-00 SORE, DANIEL R
Officer 20,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $186,562.
11-Dec-00 SCHULL, TODD B
Chief Financial Officer 55,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $534,000.
11-Dec-00 INTEL CORP
Shareholder 110,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $1,027,268.
11-Dec-00 GOODRICH, JOHN B
Shareholder 167
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $1,324.
11-Dec-00 SHORE, DANIEL K
Vice President, Operations 10,000
LNUX Sold at $9.33/Share.
Proceeds of $93,300.
11-Dec-00 SCHULL, TODD B
Chief Financial Officer 55,000
LNUX Sold at $9.72/Share.
Proceeds of $534,600.
8-Dec-00 SCHULL, TODD B
Chief Financial Officer 10,000
LNUX Sold at $1.00/Share.
Proceeds of $10,000.
8-Dec-00 VIRNIG, KENNETH J
Shareholder 16,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $128,000.
8-Dec-00 INTEL CORP
Shareholder 190,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $1,441,720.
8-Dec-00 SCHULL, TODD B
Chief Financial Officer 15,000
LNUX Sold at $7.27/Share.
Proceeds of $109,050.
8-Dec-00 SCHULL, TODD B
Chief Financial Officer 25,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $190,000.
7-Dec-00 SCHULL, TODD B
Chief Financial Officer 12,000
LNUX Sold at $7.06/Share.
Proceeds of $84,720.
7-Dec-00 INTEL CORP
Shareholder 200,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $1,399,380.
7-Dec-00 SCHULL, TODD B
Chief Financial Officer 12,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $85,000.
6-Dec-00 SHORE, DANIEL K
Vice President, Operations 28,000
LNUX Gave as Gift.
Value of $222,250.
6-Dec-00 ALTER, AARON
Shareholder 87
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $690.00.
6-Dec-00 BRANTZ MAYOR TRUST
Trust, Trustee 2,939
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $23,512.
6-Dec-00 GRECO, LISA M
Shareholder 1,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $13,000.
5-Dec-00 SHORE, DANIEL K
Vice President, Operations 22,500
LNUX Sold at $8.93/Share.
Proceeds of $200,925.
5-Dec-00 RUSSO, ROBERT
Affiliated Person 20,000
LNUX Sold at $8.43/Share.
Proceeds of $168,600.
5-Dec-00 INTEL CORP
Shareholder 92,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $805,000.
5-Dec-00 SHORE, DAVID R
Vice President 22,500
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $185,427.
5-Dec-00 RUSSO, ROBERT
Affiliated Person 20,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $169,054.
4-Dec-00 BARCLAY, MICHAEL
Shareholder 87
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $729.00.
4-Dec-00 SHORE, DANIEL K
Vice President, Operations 22,500
LNUX Sold at $8.24/Share.
Proceeds of $185,400.
4-Dec-00 INTEL CORP
Shareholder 90,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $757,341.
4-Dec-00 SHORE, DANIEL K
Vice President, Operations 22,500
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $185,427.
4-Dec-00 RUSSO, ROBERT
Affiliated Person 10,000
LNUX Sold at $8.19/Share.
Proceeds of $81,900.
1-Dec-00 INTEL CORP
Shareholder 100,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $878,200.
1-Dec-00 KLEIN, THOMAS C
Shareholder 55
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $456.00.
30-Nov-00 INTEL CORP
Shareholder 90,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $719,532.
30-Nov-00 RUSSO, ROBERT
Affiliated Person 19,792
LNUX Acquired Shares via Exercise of Options at $6.00/Share.
Paper gain of $43,295 at a fair market value of $8.19/share on 30-Nov-00.
30-Nov-00 SCHULL, TODD B
Chief Financial Officer 47,944
LNUX Acquired Shares via Exercise of Options at $0.50/Share.
Paper gain of $368,570 at a fair market value of $8.19/share on 30-Nov-00.
29-Nov-00 INTEL CORP
Shareholder 103,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $896,028.
21-Nov-00 VANYO, BRUCE
Shareholder 877
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $9,811.
20-Nov-00 LADRA, MICHAEL
Shareholder 504
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $5,166.
17-Nov-00 GOETZ, JAMES J
Shareholder 1,884
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $24,492.
9-Nov-00 MOORE, JASON T
Shareholder 50,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $806,000.
3-Nov-00 INTEL CORP
Shareholder 60,500
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $1,846,563.
3-Nov-00 INTEL CORP
Shareholder 60,500
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $1,846,562.
1-Nov-00 TRUSTEES OF DAVIDSON COLLEGE
Shareholder 8,740
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $255,645.
31-Oct-00 MOORE, JASON T
Shareholder 1,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $48,438.
31-Oct-00 COSPER, KIT
Shareholder 12,500
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $331,231.
31-Oct-00 KNIGHTSBRIDGE VENTURE CAPITAL IV LP
Shareholder 58,270
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $1,544,155.
30-Oct-00 RUSSO, ROBERT
Affiliated Person 19,792
LNUX Acquired Shares via Exercise of Options at $6.00/Share.
Paper gain of $373,574 at a fair market value of $24.88/share on 30-Oct-00.
30-Oct-00 KILLAM, DAVID
Shareholder 37
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $1,110.
26-Oct-00 DAVIS, PAUL
Director, Secretary 382
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $10,623.
26-Oct-00 HUSICK FAMILY TRUST
Trust, Trustee 234
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $6,592.
25-Oct-00 CHAPLICK, TREVOR
Shareholder 191
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $6,762.
24-Oct-00 AUSTIN, ALAN K
Director 824
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $29,767.
24-Oct-00 INTEL CORP
Shareholder 125,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $4,475,650.
24-Oct-00 DAVIS, KIMBERLY
Shareholder 5,700
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $201,987.
24-Oct-00 INTEL CORP
Shareholder 125,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $4,475,625.
23-Oct-00 INTEL CORP
Shareholder 62,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $2,147,376.
23-Oct-00 BUSH FOUNDATION
Shareholder 29,135
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $445,075.
23-Oct-00 VLG INVESTMENTS 1998
Shareholder 279
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $10,445.
20-Oct-00 KOZEL, EDWARD R
Shareholder 1,115
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $40,418.
20-Oct-00 INTEL CORP
Shareholder 152,500
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $5,467,659.
19-Oct-00 INTEL CORP
Shareholder 160,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $5,618,128.
19-Oct-00 GILL, FRANK & MARY
Shareholder 1,115
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $40,418.
18-Oct-00 ODONNELL, LIZ
Shareholder 252
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $8,489.
18-Oct-00 INTEL CORP
Shareholder 175,500
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $5,687,185.
17-Oct-00 INTEL CORP
Shareholder 75,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $2,456,123.
16-Oct-00 INTEL CORP
Shareholder 255,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $8,709,219.
13-Oct-00 COSPER, KIT
Shareholder 2,500
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $83,500.
13-Oct-00 DREW, JOHN L
Shareholder 1,115
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $37,213.
13-Oct-00 KELLER, DONALD M
Shareholder 2,822
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $94,467.
13-Oct-00 VANLIGLEN, GLEN R
Shareholder 486
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $15,870.
13-Oct-00 INTEL CORP
Shareholder 160,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $5,403,120.
12-Oct-00 MCKINNEY FAMILY TRUST
Trust, Trustee 1,115
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $36,033.
11-Oct-00 ESTRIN, JUDITH L
Shareholder 279
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $9,765.
10-Oct-00 VLG INVESTMENTS 1998
Shareholder 922
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $32,691.
7-Oct-00 DAUBAR, GERARD
Shareholder 1,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $48,437.
6-Oct-00 OCONNOR, ROBERT
Shareholder 37
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $1,785.
6-Oct-00 RUSSO, ROBERT
Affiliated Person 19,791
LNUX Acquired Shares via Exercise of Options at $6.00/Share.
Paper gain of $539,305 at a fair market value of $33.25/share on 6-Oct-00.
5-Oct-00 MCGOVERN, PATRICK J
Shareholder 4
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $166.00.
5-Oct-00 INTERNATIONAL DATA GROUP
Shareholder 19,354
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $826,214.
5-Oct-00 IDG VENTURES MANAGEMENT INC
Shareholder 23
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $997.00.
3-Oct-00 SMALLCAP WORLD FUND INC
Shareholder 390,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $18,817,500.
3-Oct-00 MCKINNEY FAMILY TRUST
Trust, Trustee 1,115
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $56,515.
3-Oct-00 REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY OF CAL/ SHELLWATER & CO
Shareholder 92,231
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $4,022,312.
2-Oct-00 MOFFENBEIER, DAVID C
Shareholder 235
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $11,383.
1-Oct-00 SILVER STAR DEV LTD
Shareholder 129,534
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $5,000,000.
28-Sep-00 REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN
Shareholder 40,789
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $1,887,637.
28-Sep-00 SILICON, VALLEY BANCSHARES
Shareholder 1,394
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $62,382.
28-Sep-00 LUCENT TECHNOLOGIES MASTER PENSION TRUST
Trust, Trustee 24,998
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $1,083,312.
28-Sep-00 GROSSMAN, JERRY & BARBARA
Shareholder 1,884
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $84,309.
27-Sep-00 SOKOLSKY, DONNA
Shareholder 750
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $36,000.
27-Sep-00 HEMPEL, CHRISTINE HOLTEN
Shareholder 750
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $36,000.
27-Sep-00 BELL, SUZANNE Y
Shareholder 265
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $12,455.
26-Sep-00 TSAI, FENG-TZU
Shareholder 38,860
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $1,850,513.
25-Sep-00 FORD FOUNDATION
Shareholder 96,144
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $4,927,380.
25-Sep-00 CHENG, CHIU KAI
Shareholder 38,860
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $1,944,256.
25-Sep-00 SILVER STAR DEV LTD
Shareholder 129,534
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $5,000,000.
25-Sep-00 SHERMAN FAIRCHILD FOUNDATION
Shareholder 11,654
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $575,707.
25-Sep-00 GILL FRANK & MARY FAMILY TRUST
Trust, Trustee 1,115
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $55,750.
25-Sep-00 RENSSELAER POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE
Shareholder 17,481
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $863,561.
25-Sep-00 THE FORD FUNDATION
Shareholder 96,144
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $4,927,380.
25-Sep-00 SYNNEX INFOR TECH INC
Shareholder 116,580
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $5,892,257.
25-Sep-00 SIEBEL, LIVING TR
Shareholder 1,115
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $51,000.
25-Sep-00 FRAZEE, DAVID I
Shareholder 1,072
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $54,186.
22-Sep-00 TRUSTEES OF AMHERST COLLEGE
Shareholder 17,481
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $812,839.
22-Sep-00 LEEWAY & CO STATE STREET BANK TRUSTEE
Trust, Trustee 15,791
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $798,235.
20-Sep-00 KOZEL, EDWARD R
Shareholder 1,115
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $55,750.
20-Sep-00 MAYES, JOHN
Shareholder 1,115
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $55,750.
20-Sep-00 STONEBRAKER IRREVOCABLE TRUST
Trust, Trustee 1,117
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $58,503.
19-Sep-00 UNIVERSITY, OF CHICAGO
Shareholder 52,442
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $2,740,095.
19-Sep-00 DARTMOUTH COLLEGE TRUSTEES
Trust, Trustee 11,654
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $608,922.
19-Sep-00 GOODRICH, JOHN B
Shareholder 770
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $33,000.
19-Sep-00 LELAND, STANFORD JR UNIVERSITY
Shareholder 93,231
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $4,871,320.
19-Sep-00 UNIVERSITY, OF SOUTHERN CAL
Shareholder 34,962
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $1,826,765.
18-Sep-00 SEQUOIA, CAPITAL VIII
10% Beneficial Owner * 9,429
LNUX Other Disposition
18-Sep-00 REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY OF MN
Shareholder 23,308
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $1,153,746.
18-Sep-00 LEONE, DOUGLAS M
Director, 10% Beneficial Owner * 85,725
LNUX Other Disposition
18-Sep-00 SEQUOIA, CAPITAL VIII
10% Beneficial Owner * 85,725
LNUX Other Disposition
18-Sep-00 SOLOMON, LARRY
Shareholder 235
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $11,251.
18-Sep-00 LEONE, DOUGLAS M
Director, 10% Beneficial Owner * 9,429
LNUX Other Disposition
16-Sep-00 CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE TECHNOLOGY
Shareholder 23,308
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $1,217,843.
15-Sep-00 DUKE UNIVERSITY EMPLOYEE RETIREMENT PLAN
Shareholder 11,654
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $576,622.
15-Sep-00 CONWAY FAMILY TRUST
Shareholder, Non Affiliate 2,787
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $137,500.
15-Sep-00 STONEBRAKER LESLIE KAREN IRREV TRUST UA 10/16/95
Trust, Trustee 315
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $17,215.
15-Sep-00 GOTHIC CORP
Shareholder 17,481
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $864,905.
15-Sep-00 BANQUE, DE LUXEMBOURG
Shareholder 11,150
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $590,950.
15-Sep-00 MEYNIER, LAURENT
Shareholder 1,320
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $65,010.
14-Sep-00 WELLINGTON TRUST
Trust, Trustee 1,114
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $61,268.
14-Sep-00 STONEBRAKER, LESLIE K TR
Trust, Trustee 300
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $16,500.
14-Sep-00 FORD FOUNDATION
Shareholder 32,048
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $1,762,640.
14-Sep-00 COLUMBIA, UNIVERSITY
Trustee 40,789
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $2,245,944.
14-Sep-00 SIPPL, ROGER J
Shareholder 1,115
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $59,663.
14-Sep-00 HOLLIS TRUST
Trust, Trustee 1,114
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $61,270.
13-Sep-00 WOOD JOHNSON ROBERT FOUNDATION
Shareholder 40,789
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $2,202,606.
13-Sep-00 GAND H PARTNERS
Shareholder 942
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $48,749.
13-Sep-00 JENAB, ALI
Senior Vice President, General Manager, Systems Division 0
LNUX Initial Direct Holdings Statement
13-Sep-00 ENDOWMENT VENTURE PARTNERS III LP
Shareholder 40,789
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $2,202,606.
13-Sep-00 WALT DISNEY CO RETIREMENT MSTR TRUST
Shareholder 29,135
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $1,607,838.
13-Sep-00 IRONWOOD, CAPITAL
Shareholder, Non-Affiliate 2,230
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $115,403.
13-Sep-00 GOLDBY STEVEN & FLORENCE TRUST
Shareholder 1,394
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $72,140.
13-Sep-00 UNIVERSITY, OF NOTRE DAME
Shareholder 52,442
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $2,831,868.
12-Sep-00 KLEIN, THOMAS C
Shareholder 234
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $12,778.
12-Sep-00 COLUMBIA, UNIVERSITY
Trustee 40,789
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $2,223,001.
12-Sep-00 HASEL, ANDREW J
Shareholder 234
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $12,166.
12-Sep-00 HARBOURVEST PARTNERS V PARELLEL PARTNERSHIP FUND LP
Shareholder 44,951
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $2,472,395.
12-Sep-00 PRIVATE EQUITY TECHNOLOGY PARTNERS CV
Shareholder 11,654
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $639,975.
12-Sep-00 HARBOURVEST PARTNERS V PARELLEL PARTNERSHIP FUND LP
Shareholder 7,492
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $415,060.
12-Sep-00 MIT RETIREMENT PLAN
Shareholder 20,394
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $1,121,670.
12-Sep-00 REYES PARTNERSHIP IV
Shareholder 1,115
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $59,580.
12-Sep-00 HARVARD PRIVATE CAPITAL HOLDINGS INC
Shareholder 40,789
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $2,243,395.
12-Sep-00 VANDERBILT, UNIVERSITY
Shareholder 52,442
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $2,810,582.
12-Sep-00 BROCK, JAMES
Shareholder 118
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $6,284.
12-Sep-00 DORRIAN 1997 REVOCABLE TRUST
Trust, Trustee 1,394
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $76,670.
12-Sep-00 LEWIS, JOHN C
Shareholder 557
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $29,451.
12-Sep-00 SANTA, CLARA UNIVERSITY
Shareholder 11,654
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $618,008.
12-Sep-00 MILLER LIVING TRUST
Trust, Trustee 1,115
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $60,768.
12-Sep-00 MASSACHUSETTS INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY
Shareholder 20,394
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $1,121,670.
12-Sep-00 GREENBERG, ERIC
Shareholder 471
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $25,052.
12-Sep-00 POULETTY, PHILIPPE J
Shareholder 2,230
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $119,305.
12-Sep-00 WILLIAMS, COLLEGE
Shareholder 5,827
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $323,610.
12-Sep-00 SEQUOVEST
Shareholder 11,654
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $640,970.
11-Sep-00 SEQUOIA, CAPITAL VIII
10% Beneficial Owner * 24,646
LNUX Other Disposition
11-Sep-00 SEQUOIA, CAPITAL VIII
10% Beneficial Owner * 128,587
LNUX Other Disposition
11-Sep-00 LEONE, DOUGLAS M
Director, 10% Beneficial Owner * 1,942,313
LNUX Other Disposition
11-Sep-00 LEONE, DOUGLAS M
Director, 10% Beneficial Owner * 128,587
LNUX Other Disposition
11-Sep-00 LEONE, DOUGLAS M
Director, 10% Beneficial Owner * 24,646
LNUX Other Disposition
11-Sep-00 LEONE, DOUGLAS M
Director, 10% Beneficial Owner 65,705
LNUX Acquired
11-Sep-00 SEQUOIA, CAPITAL VIII
10% Beneficial Owner 1,942,313
LNUX Other Disposition
7-Sep-00 SCOTT, TIMOTHY T
Shareholder 424
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $23,320.
7-Sep-00 ODONNELL, MICHAEL J
Shareholder 252
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $12,616.
6-Sep-00 MORRISSEY, MICHAEL
Shareholder 300
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $16,931.
6-Sep-00 SACCANI, DANIEL R
Shareholder 3,500
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $194,906.
6-Sep-00 MITZ, DANIEL R
Shareholder 191
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $10,800.
6-Sep-00 IRVINE JAMES FOUNDATION
Shareholder 34,962
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $1,949,873.
5-Sep-00 HAYNES, MARK A
Shareholder 382
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $23,016.
5-Sep-00 SCHULL, TODD B
Chief Financial Officer 15,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $910,000.
5-Sep-00 SHULMAN, RON E
Shareholder 531
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $31,594.
5-Sep-00 SCHULL, TODD B
Chief Financial Officer 14,485
LNUX Exercised Options at $0.50/Share and Sold at $60.90/Share.
Proceeds of $874,894.
5-Sep-00 ALLEN, JEFFRY R
Director, Board Member 36,300
LNUX Sold at $61.03/Share.
Proceeds of $2,215,389.
5-Sep-00 SCHULL, TODD B
Chief Financial Officer 515
LNUX Sold at $60.91/Share.
Proceeds of $31,369.
1-Sep-00 AUGUSTIN, LARRY M
President, Director, Chief Executive Officer 30,000
LNUX Sold at $61.04/Share.
Proceeds of $1,831,200.
1-Sep-00 EGGLETON, KEITH E
Shareholder 191
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $10,753.
1-Sep-00 JONES, LIVING TR
Shareholder 5,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $265,000.
1-Sep-00 SOLOMON, LARRY
Shareholder 235
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $14,100.
31-Aug-00 DEFILIPPS, THOMAS C
Shareholder 424
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $19,054.
31-Aug-00 ROTH, RONALD
Shareholder 382
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $20,469.
31-Aug-00 KIRKMAN, CATHERINE
Shareholder 37
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $1,921.
31-Aug-00 PETKANICS GERSTENSCHLAGER FAMILY TRUST
Trust, Trustee 382
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $20,628.
31-Aug-00 ZEHR, GREGG E
Vice President, Engineering 15,000
LNUX Sold at $53.15/Share.
Proceeds of $797,250.
31-Aug-00 LATTA FAMILY TRUST
Trust, Trustee 743
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $38,450.
31-Aug-00 RUSSO, ROBERT
Affiliated Person 5,792
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $310,221.
31-Aug-00 SPARKS, TIMOTHY J
Shareholder 451
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $23,869.
31-Aug-00 ZEHR GREG TRUST
Trust, Trustee 30,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $162,000.
31-Aug-00 ZEHR, GREGG E
Vice President, Engineering 15,000
LNUX Sold at $53.09/Share.
Proceeds of $796,350.
31-Aug-00 ESTRIN, JUDITH L
Shareholder 279
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $14,718.
31-Aug-00 FELDMAN, ROBERT P
Shareholder 664
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $34,412.
30-Aug-00 RUSSO, ROBERT
Affiliated Person 43,584
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $2,036,621.
30-Aug-00 AUGUSTIN, LARRY M
President, Director, Chief Executive Officer * 3,000
LNUX Sold at $48.45/Share.
Proceeds of $145,350.
30-Aug-00 AUGUSTIN, LARRY M
President, Director, Chief Executive Officer 30,000
LNUX Sold at $48.45/Share.
Proceeds of $1,453,500.
30-Aug-00 AUGUSTIN, LARRY M
President, Director, Chief Executive Officer 30,000
LNUX Sold at $51.19/Share.
Proceeds of $1,535,700.
30-Aug-00 GROSS, IRWIN R
Shareholder 37
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $1,924.
30-Aug-00 SHORE, DANIEL K
Vice President, Operations 25,000
LNUX Sold at $49.03/Share.
Proceeds of $1,225,750.
30-Aug-00 RUSSO, ROBERT
Affiliated Person 19,792
LNUX Acquired Shares via Exercise of Options at $6.00/Share.
Paper gain of $906,721 at a fair market value of $51.81/share on 30-Aug-00.
30-Aug-00 FELDMAN, BORIS
Shareholder 664
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $32,900.
30-Aug-00 GOLDBERG, SELWYN D
Shareholder 191
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $9,359.
30-Aug-00 RUSSO, ROBERT
Affiliated Person 43,584
LNUX Sold at $46.68 -- $46.84/Share.
Proceeds of $2,036,741.
30-Aug-00 HARBOURVEST PARTNERS V PARELLEL PARTNERSHIP FUND LP
Shareholder 7,492
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $514,060.
30-Aug-00 STONEBRAKER, LESLIE K TR
Trust, Trustee 500
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $23,375.
30-Aug-00 AUGUSTIN, LARRY M
President, Director, Chief Executive Officer 90,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $4,500,000.
30-Aug-00 HARBOURVEST PARTNERS V PARELLEL PARTNERSHIP FUND LP
Shareholder 44,951
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $2,472,395.
30-Aug-00 AUGUSTIN, ALICE K
Affiliated Person 3,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $145,341.
29-Aug-00 TWICKLER, BRUCE A
Divisional Officer, Senior Vice President International Sales 35,000
LNUX Sold at $40.38 -- $43.00/Share.
Proceeds of $1,453,200.
29-Aug-00 SHORE, DAVID R
Vice President 100,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $4,426,880.
29-Aug-00 SHORE, DANIEL K
Vice President, Operations 50,000
LNUX Sold at $44.27/Share.
Proceeds of $2,213,500.
29-Aug-00 TWICKLER, BRUCE A
Divisional Officer, Senior Vice President International Sales 5,000
LNUX Sold at $40.50/Share.
Proceeds of $202,500.
29-Aug-00 IRONWOOD, CAPITAL
Shareholder, Non-Affiliate 2,230
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $98,956.
29-Aug-00 BONHAM, MARK
Shareholder 340
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $14,482.
29-Aug-00 DREW, JOHN L
Shareholder 1,115
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $47,875.
29-Aug-00 HUMPHREYS, IVAN
Shareholder 403
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $16,121.
28-Aug-00 TWICKLER, BRUCE A
Affiliated Person 100,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $4,300,000.
28-Aug-00 RUSSO, ROBERT
Affiliated Person 100,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $449,982.
28-Aug-00 VLG INVESTMENTS 1999
Shareholder 9,068
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $385,514.
28-Aug-00 TWICKLER, BRUCE A
Divisional Officer, Senior Vice President International Sales 5,000
LNUX Sold at $43.75/Share.
Proceeds of $218,750.
28-Aug-00 GOGUEN, MICHAEL L
Shareholder 50,014
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $2,250,630.
28-Aug-00 LAMOND PIERRE R & CHRISTINE TRUST DTD 11/22/85
Trust, Trustee 28,245
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $1,271,014.
28-Aug-00 RUSSO, ROBERT
Affiliated Person 10,000
LNUX Sold at $45.00/Share.
Proceeds of $450,000.
28-Aug-00 TWICKLER, BRUCE A
Divisional Officer, Senior Vice President International Sales 15,000
LNUX Sold at $42.56 -- $43.00/Share.
Proceeds of $640,600.
28-Aug-00 LEE, DAVID C
Shareholder 300
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $12,761.
28-Aug-00 TWICKLER, BRUCE A
Divisional Officer, Senior Vice President International Sales 40,000
LNUX Sold at $43.13 -- $44.63/Share.
Proceeds of $1,764,600.
25-Aug-00 TESTA, TROY
Shareholder 1,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $44,000.
25-Aug-00 UNIVERSITY, OF SOUTHERN CAL
Shareholder 34,962
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $1,440,913.
25-Aug-00 WS INVESTMENT CO 98A
Shareholder 3,011
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $132,484.
25-Aug-00 SILICON GRAPHICS INC
Shareholder 400,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $18,400,000.
25-Aug-00 STANFORD, UNIVERSITY
Shareholder 109,488
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $4,817,472.
25-Aug-00 ANDERSON, JOHN
Shareholder 1,000
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $46,000.
25-Aug-00 MCCORD, JIM
Shareholder 71
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $3,200.
24-Aug-00 SUMMER IRREVOCABLE TRUST DTD 3/9/98
Trust, Trustee 10,704
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $460,272.
24-Aug-00 SUTO, JEFFREY Y
Non Affiliated Person 1,130
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $49,720.
24-Aug-00 NASSAU, CAPITAL
Shareholder 64,096
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $2,820,224.
24-Aug-00 ALCOA FOUNDATION
Shareholder 23,308
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $865,310.
24-Aug-00 CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE TECHNOLOGY
Shareholder 23,308
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $865,310.
24-Aug-00 TOMASETTA TRUST
Trust, Trustee 1,115
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $41,394.
24-Aug-00 REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY OF CAL/ SHELLWATER & CO
Shareholder 93,231
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $4,053,940.
24-Aug-00 IRREVOCABLE WINTER TRUST
Shareholder 21,406
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $920,458.
24-Aug-00 IRREVOCABLE SPRING TRUST DTD 3/9/98
Trust, Trustee 10,704
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $460,272.
22-Aug-00 FAIRCHILD SHERMAN FOUNDATION
Shareholder 11,654
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $422,329.
22-Aug-00 RENSSELAER POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE
Shareholder 17,841
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $633,493.
22-Aug-00 NOWICH, UNIVERSITY
Shareholder 5,827
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $211,164.
22-Aug-00 RUSSO, ROBERT
Affiliated Person 39,584
LNUX Acquired Shares via Exercise of Options at $6.00/Share.
Paper gain of $1,187,520 at a fair market value of $36.00/share on 22-Aug-00.
22-Aug-00 MURDOCK, M J CHAR TR
Shareholder 29,135
LNUX Proposed Sale (Form 144).
Estimated proceeds of $1,055,823.

* Indicates shares held indirectly (i.e. in a trust, by a spouse, etc.)

what's wrong with saving money? (1)

buttahead (266220) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230956)

"In Europe, where numerous bills and resolutions have been introduced, local, state and federal governments spent $7.8 billion on software in 2000"

yowza! How much could Americans have their taxes lowered if we pushed our government to use free software? I can understand using licensed software when no free application of equal quality is avaliable, but many branches of government can be as productive using the free stuff.

OTOH, many government apps are home grown, and are therefore not costing taxpayers any licensing fees. The question is what proportion of software in American government is taking money out of our pockets, and how much can be replaced with software that works for free?

Government not "forced" to use any particular os (1)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230963)

As I understood the article. The way the laws are written require that an open source version of a product be given preference to a closed source. It does not say "You must Use Linux over Microsoft" or for that matter Linux over FreeBSD/NETBSD/FlavoroftheweekBSD or any other open source os. If you look at it carefully you wil see that the main purpose appears to be financial as well as security.
SOFTWARE LIBRE!!!!

Freedom entails choice (1)

tyrann98 (161653) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230975)

While I completely support the use of open source software where its use if beneficial, I cannot support a law requiring or even advocating open source use. One important component of freedom is choice - and the choice of open source or no open source regardless of merit is in the wrong direction. Admittedly, they have a clause allowing for commercial software where no free solution exists. It's a back door large enough to drive a truck through presently.

Companies and governments should just make decisions based on their best interests. If open source is cheaper (including the cost of support), then go open source. If Microsoft solution's is cheaper and more effective, I'd say pick Microsoft. It's incredibly simple, and truly libertarian. My university makes this decision every day with extensive use of Linux and open source for a number of applications. And the university computer store pushes Microsoft like you wouldn't believe.

How would you like it if a law was passed restricting the government to the only truly open license - BSD? GPL or commercial products could only be used if there is no BSD equivalent.

The grass is always greener... (2)

Syberghost (10557) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230985)

Maybe it's time to visit Rio?

Don't assume that better policy in one area necessarily [hrw.org] translates into better [amnesty.org] policies in all other areas [umn.edu] .

Rio's murder rate is 61 per 100,000. That's ten times as high as the United States in general, and more than twice as high as Flint, Michigan, which is widely regarded as one of those places that normal human beings just don't voluntarily enter.

Re:The grass is always greener... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2231089)

And the United States' murder rate is nearly 10 times that of Japan [guncite.com] . Next time there is a story about something positive occurring in the US, I presume you will immediately warn all Japanese not to move there.

what? (2)

davey23sol (462701) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230987)

The Free Software movement?

That is Free as in "you're forced to use our software by our free and open government"?

Come on, it's not free if there is a law that says you have to do it. Being forced to use Open Source over M$ smacks of the Floyd song "Sheep":

"Have you heard the news?
The dogs are dead!
You better stay home
And do as you're told
Get out of the road if you want to grow old."

Re:what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2231039)

Governments aren't requiring their citizens to use it, they're just requiring themselves to do it. No different than a corporation migrating all its departments to Linux.

Re:what? (2)

1010011010 (53039) | more than 12 years ago | (#2231078)

Not quite right; the governments are just saying that the governments should use free software, not that the citizenry has to. It's like Walmart mandating the use of Windows 2000 on its systems.

more than just economic issues (3, Interesting)

beanerspace (443710) | more than 12 years ago | (#2230989)

While one cannot pooh-pooh the vast economical savings of using 'alternative' operating systems to mickysoft's, I suspect that some of the reasons may also be cultural.

Certainly, one can buy the version of the MickySoft OS product. However, with Linux, one can alter it so it not only speaks one's language, but so it reflects the way one is raised to think ... which may not always be left-to-right, top-to-bottom, red-white-n-blue the way God intended it, US of A type approach.

Another thought is that it could be attractive because it is easier to get talent from a variety of people in a variety of countries, without all the hassle of regulation that encumbers even the most generous employer (especially here in the U.S.).

It may also have to do with the fact, and I'll need some help from you foreigner types, that us Americans want our individual PC's on our individual desks in our individiual cubicles as opposed to some X thingie who's processor ias a II instead of a III after it (unless of course you are a geek god, who is then granted a IV from the pointy heads in those aquarium like offices).

Microsoft spokesman Ricardo Adame sez: (4, Funny)

mcfiddish (35360) | more than 12 years ago | (#2231045)

"Technology should compete on its merits in a free market."

Gosh, he won't last long at Microsoft thinking like that :)

The future of FreeSoftware (1)

Marvin_Runyon (513878) | more than 12 years ago | (#2231052)

I think the future of OpenSource and FreeSoftware lays in the hands of those who live in developing countries.

Often these are people who live in active comunities with the spirit of working together to achieve a common goal. This sense of comunity lends itself strongly to the goals of the FreeSoftware and OpenSource movements.

In the next century we may see a role reversal where the developing nations of south america may serve as a model for the rest of us, as opposed to european and north american economics acting as the model.

-Marvin

jews (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2231061)

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What About DMCA Inclusion in FTAA? (2)

idonotexist (450877) | more than 12 years ago | (#2231062)

It is interesting to me, perhaps a contradictory policy, Latin American nations see the advantages of free software and the impetus to remain free of restrictive licensing agreements and, yet, these very nations may (unwillingly?) institute DMCA-type measures on their populous pursuant to the Free Trade Agreement of Americas (FTAA) --- measures very restrictive on technological developments and activities related to software.

Linux use in Brazil (2)

Salsaman (141471) | more than 12 years ago | (#2231080)

Take a look at this table [li.org] from the Linux counter project.

If the trend from the last three months continues, we will soon be seeing Brazil overtake the US in terms of new registrants.

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