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Brendan Eich Steps Down As Mozilla CEO

timothy posted about 6 months ago | from the but-a-decade-as-cto-is-fine dept.

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New submitter matafagafo (1343219) writes with this news, straight from the Mozilla blog, which comes in the wake of controversy over Brendan Eich's polticial views (in particular, his support for California's Proposition 8, which would have reversed a decision legalizing same-sex marriage within the state). and how they would reflect on the organization : "Brendan Eich has chosen to step down from his role as CEO. He's made this decision for Mozilla and our community. Mozilla believes both in equality and freedom of speech. Equality is necessary for meaningful speech. And you need free speech to fight for equality. Figuring out how to stand for both at the same time can be hard ..."

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I think this is bullshit (5, Insightful)

samantha (68231) | about 6 months ago | (#46652373)

I am a lesbian and I still think hounding Eich for standing for Prop. 8 and threatening to boycott a cornerstone of the internet and internet development if he was CEO of the Mozilla foundation is complete and utter intolerant bullshit. I am very disappointed with people doing such things and disappointed he caved to such.

Re:I think this is bullshit (-1, Flamebait)

msauve (701917) | about 6 months ago | (#46652405)

Joe McCarthy would be proud.

Re:I think this is bullshit (4, Insightful)

Ralph Wiggam (22354) | about 6 months ago | (#46652543)

That's an excellent comparison....as long as you know absolutely nothing about Joe McCarthy.

Re:I think this is bullshit (0, Offtopic)

edibobb (113989) | about 6 months ago | (#46652411)

I would upmod, but even though I have 15 mod points, it does not work. Slashdot is broken on Firefox, Chrome, and Android. Or maybe they just don't like my voting record.

Re:I think this is bullshit (4, Insightful)

Kaenneth (82978) | about 6 months ago | (#46652415)

Same, I disagree with him, but supporting freedom of speech is bigger than any one issue.

Re:I think this is bullshit (3, Insightful)

DaHat (247651) | about 6 months ago | (#46652481)

Didn't you get the memo? Your right to protest or have a contradictory view is only protected if it is accepted by a big enough mob or those in power.

Disagree? The IRS will be auditing you shortly...

Re:I think this is bullshit (5, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 6 months ago | (#46652555)

I'm not clear. When did freedom of speech extend to the operations of a private business?

In a way, this is no different than being fired for making embarrassing statements on Twitter. You have your right to speak your mind, what you don't have the right to do is force the rest of the world to ignore what you've said.

Re:I think this is bullshit (5, Interesting)

JDG1980 (2438906) | about 6 months ago | (#46652649)

I'm not clear. When did freedom of speech extend to the operations of a private business?

A majority of people in modern-day America work for corporate entities of some kind. If you argue that free speech should only be protected against the government and not against employers, then you are in effect saying that a majority of people shouldn't have any free speech protections at all.

Re:I think this is bullshit (2, Insightful)

Desler (1608317) | about 6 months ago | (#46652681)

You mean like how the right wingers boycotts TV/radio shows/movies and threaten sponsors when something is done that they don't like? What's good for the goose and all that jazz.

Re:I think this is bullshit (5, Insightful)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | about 6 months ago | (#46652487)

What about my freedom of speech to not donate to an organization headed by someone with whom I disagree?

What about the freedom of hundreds of employees to feel uncomfortable working for someone who is advocating against you? What about the freedom of workers to quit and find new companies where they are more welcome?

Freedom goes both ways. In this instance it's one CEO or thousands of users and employees.

Re:I think this is bullshit (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652669)

What about the freedom of hundreds of employees to feel uncomfortable working for someone who is advocating against you?

Mozilla has hundreds of gay employees? Then I guess this move makes sense.

Re:I think this is bullshit (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652675)

If they're uncomfortable, they're being childish. For one thing, diversity means being around people who disagree with you. And as long as they're not directly being a dick to you, you're supposed to exhibit some degree of tolerance, especially in the workplace.

Second, it's not like the man is a skin-head. He donated $1,000 to a Prop 8 fund. Maybe the guy is a Mormon. I dunno.

What if he was a communist party member? Shouldn't the 100s of millions of deaths directly attributable to the rise of communist party rule be a little more cause for concern then whether states should accept homosexual marriages? Of course not... that would require some rational thought and reflection. Or, maybe, I dunno... supporting a political party or campaign doesn't mean your motives are nefarious and harmful (even though their effect might cause harm in actuality).

Re:I think this is bullshit (3, Insightful)

DaMP12000 (710387) | about 6 months ago | (#46652493)

Freedom of speech does not mean free from consequences. Freedom of speech does not mean unconditional support. It means that you have the right to say what you want, and that you should not be persecuted for it.
Now, as consumers of a product, it is our right to not use/buy the product to not financially support acts that go against our beliefs and moral stances (just like we choose to buy organic, or buy american, or buy fair trade, etc.)

Re:I think this is bullshit (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652637)

Freedom of speech also gives me the right to persecute this bigoted fuckwit just the same as it gives me the right to uninstall Firefox.

Re:I think this is bullshit (1, Insightful)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about 6 months ago | (#46652517)

I really don't know what Eich's particular case was, so this doesn't necessarily apply to this specific situation, but when a person progresses from talking about how gays are horrible and moves to working to actively take rights away or make them second class citizens in some legal sense then it ceases to become a freedom of speech issue.

I think that's a clear point so many people miss. Exercising freedom of religion or freedom of speech doesn't go as far as taking rights away from others. The saying I was taught was "the right of your fist end at the tip of my nose."

The main argument for the current idiotic spate of anti-gay bills is that their rights entitle them to take rights away from others. It's a situation that these people themselves would never tolerate if the situation were reversed.

Re:I think this is bullshit (4, Insightful)

Kaenneth (82978) | about 6 months ago | (#46652641)

I'm not willing to vilify someone for voting.

Re:I think this is bullshit (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652531)

So, in support of free speech, those folks who disagree with him should just shut up?

Re:I think this is bullshit (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652533)

Same, I disagree with him, but supporting freedom of speech is bigger than any one issue.

Why do so many confuse freedom of speech with freedom from criticism?

Re:I think this is bullshit (-1, Offtopic)

Deadstick (535032) | about 6 months ago | (#46652569)

Why do I run out of mod points just when somebody says something sensible?

Re:I think this is bullshit (5, Insightful)

assertation (1255714) | about 6 months ago | (#46652625)

His freedom of speech wasn't taken away. He can still say what he wants and contributes to the causes he wants. It is a matter of other people exercising their freedom to do the same and choose a browser for any reason they prefer.

Re:I think this is bullshit (4, Interesting)

galloog1 (3433335) | about 6 months ago | (#46652419)

He and mozilla made a business decision. It didn't matter what his feelings were on the topic; all that mattered was what it would do to the organization and its mission. While I will defend to the death anyone's right to say what they want regardless of if I agree with them I definitely do not blame Eich for it. I blame OkCupid and others instead.

Re:I think this is bullshit (-1, Flamebait)

oh_my_080980980 (773867) | about 6 months ago | (#46652463)

So you are defending him for supporting a proposition that will deny marriage rights to gay people? Moron.

Hmm (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652559)

Clearly someone doesn't quite get it.

Re:Hmm (-1, Troll)

oh_my_080980980 (773867) | about 6 months ago | (#46652603)

As evidenced by your post.

Re:I think this is bullshit (5, Insightful)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 6 months ago | (#46652423)

complete and utter intolerant bullshit.

its not wrong to be intolerant of intolerance.

no one in modern times (in a western world) would think its ok to underpay women just because they are women. no one would think its ok to pay less based on skin color. why is it 'just another way to think' when its about giving (or more accurately, denying) equal rights to same-sex couples?

its wrong to deny people basic rights based entirely on religion,.

I feel happy that people have pushed such a backward thinking person out of a position of high power. good for mankind! yay! there's still some hope for us, yet.

Re:I think this is bullshit (5, Insightful)

DaHat (247651) | about 6 months ago | (#46652457)

its not wrong to be intolerant of intolerance.

Then at least acknowledge that the boycott push was an act of active and outright bigotry when Eich had (past tense) done something that some might see as intolerant, the response to him was far far worse than anything he'd done... and worse sets a chilling prescient for future attacks on those who dare to hold an opposing view.

Re:I think this is bullshit (-1, Flamebait)

neoform (551705) | about 6 months ago | (#46652549)

>and worse sets a chilling prescient for future attacks on those who dare to hold an opposing view.

Would you call it "just an opposing view" if it were something else?

What if he had said, "blacks don't deserve the right to vote"?

Re:I think this is bullshit (4, Interesting)

Culture20 (968837) | about 6 months ago | (#46652659)

What if he had said, "blacks don't deserve the right to vote"?

I would have said "Mr. X is wrong in his view, but his company makes a mighty fine browser."
Now if Mozilla had started using HP webcams for facial recognition [slashdot.org] to determine who can and can't use Firefox, then I'd change my tune about whether the company's product should be boycotted.

Re:I think this is bullshit (1)

oh_my_080980980 (773867) | about 6 months ago | (#46652551)

Denying rights isn't worse? Wow.

Re:I think this is bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652583)

its not wrong to be intolerant of intolerance.

Then at least acknowledge that the boycott push was an act of active and outright bigotry when Eich had (past tense) done something that some might see as intolerant, the response to him was far far worse than anything he'd done... and worse sets a chilling prescient for future attacks on those who dare to hold an opposing view.

Opposing views to basic human rights? Yeah, it is really chilling to attack those.

Re:I think this is bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652661)

Marriage is legalized prostitution and should be abolished for every one. It's no more a basic human right than owning slaves is.

Re:I think this is bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652655)

Oh god, employees may make use of at will employment. The horror!

Re:I think this is bullshit (4, Insightful)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about 6 months ago | (#46652679)

Bigotry? Really?

They didn't think someone that contributed to something that they considered anti-human rights should be the head of an open source organization and they voted with their feet. They didn't go to a legislature and say that Eich and all the other people that gave to this cause should have rights taken away. That's what the anti-gay factions are doing at the moment as they keep losing ground on this issue.

Re:I think this is bullshit (2, Insightful)

blueturffan (867705) | about 6 months ago | (#46652575)

its not wrong to be intolerant of intolerance.

Thank you for saying this. I've been turning the other cheek for far too long. I'm tired of being tolerant of those that are intolerant of my deeply-held religious convictions. I'm out for retribution now. There will be BLOODSHED TONIGHT!

I feel happy that people have pushed such a backward thinking person out of a position of high power. good for mankind! yay! there's still some hope for us, yet.

Oh...I see, your whole "intolerant of intolerance" only applies to those you happen to agree with. Bummer.

Re:I think this is bullshit (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652585)

its not wrong to be intolerant of intolerance.

The modus operandi of self proclaimed tolerant people is to claim any ideas they don't like is intolerant, and that ergo their proponents are fair game . So in practice, it actually means "it's not wrong to be intolerant of any person that doesn't share any one of my ideas".

Re:I think this is bullshit (0)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about 6 months ago | (#46652621)

This "you're not tolerant of my intolerance" meme is rather wacky.

It wasn't until recently that fighting back when people are throwing you to the ground and kicking you (literally or metaphorically) was seen as "intolerant."

Re:I think this is bullshit (4, Insightful)

blueturffan (867705) | about 6 months ago | (#46652623)

its wrong to deny people basic rights based entirely on religion

Like denying someone the right to remain in a job based on their religious beliefs?

Re:I think this is bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652627)

complete and utter intolerant bullshit.

So... the GP is being intolerant of herself? I'm not sure if you know what's going on here.

Why is it not OK for Eich to voice his opinion, yet it is totally fine for the side you support to do so? Stop with the double standard bullshit already. You are supporting the denial of his rights, and you are a hypocrite for doing so. Your emotional response to the issue is not an acceptable reason for doing so.

It is great that the LGBT community is getting equal rights. But it is just that: equal. Equal doesn't mean they are guaranteed that everybody must agree with them and that those that do not should lose their jobs and livelihood.

Re:I think this is bullshit (0)

Cruciform (42896) | about 6 months ago | (#46652475)

All boycotting does is remove a portion of the revenue stream, accompanied by statements as to why.
It was up to them to decide if his value as a CEO was greater than the lost revenue.

Companies are realizing that it's not in their best interest to affiliate with those people who are against equality for citizens.

Re:I think this is bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652483)

What would it take for you to boycott "a cornerstone of the internet" then? If the CEO was:
A) a KKK member
B) a convicted murderer of homosexuals
C) Hitler reborn
D) None of the above

You may be ok with the fact Brendan feels your existence is fundamentally wrong, but a lot weren't. Ultimately, a shitty person was put into a position of power, and a large amount of people had issues with that.

Re:I think this is bullshit (1)

oh_my_080980980 (773867) | about 6 months ago | (#46652489)

Right and I'm the Prince of Nigeria....

Re:I think this is bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652527)

complete and utter intolerant bullshit

Personally, I don't tolerate people who try to take away my civil rights, whether they are politicians, executives, or anyone else.

If you tolerate those people, that's up to you. Just be aware you are entering into a one-sided and exploitative relationship.

Re:I think this is bullshit (5, Insightful)

vux984 (928602) | about 6 months ago | (#46652535)

I am a lesbian and I still think hounding Eich for standing for Prop. 8 and threatening to boycott a cornerstone of the internet and internet development if he was CEO of the Mozilla foundation is complete and utter intolerant bullshit.

So where do you draw the line?

Lets just Godwin it right off the bat and get it over with; if he were openly a Nazi, funding white supremacy, attacking the jews and blacks right to own property etc... everyone at Mozilla should just show up to work because its no business of theirs what their boss does off the clock? All Mozilla's customers should just keep using the software, because its no business of theirs?

The reality is that what he stands for offended a lot of people.

The CEO is the face of the company.

  If you are seriously disappointed that it culminated in people non-violently making it heard that they did not wish to work for this guy, or support a company this guy was the head of then I have to say I'm disappointed in YOU.

The world needs more of this not less.

Re:I think this is bullshit (4, Insightful)

mikelieman (35628) | about 6 months ago | (#46652553)

Erlich's "religious freedom" ends at the perimeter of his own self.

The moment he tried to apply his cognitive framing TO OTHER PEOPLE, he went off the rails.

If he contributed to islamic organizations opposing freedom of women to drive or appear in public without hajib, would that be OK?

Re:I think this is bullshit (1)

njnnja (2833511) | about 6 months ago | (#46652577)

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it

We need more of this in our public discourse.

Re:I think this is bullshit (1)

oh_my_080980980 (773867) | about 6 months ago | (#46652633)

Except he was actively trying to deny peoples rights. Big difference.

Re:I think this is bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652667)

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it

We need more of this in our public discourse.

Yes, but it is completely missing the point of this case. Of course he has a right to say it, but people also have a right to criticize it, and show their protest. And this case is worse than just a political opinion, you have someone promoting discrimination, not giving people equal rights.

Re:I think this is bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652607)

I think its important to remember that this firestorm was started when several people At Mozilla resigned when he was appointed CEO. There likely wouldn't have been a controversy had that now happened. So its likely this is also an internal coup using public perception as a motivator.

Re:I think this is bullshit (1, Interesting)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | about 6 months ago | (#46652609)

He has a defamation lawsuit against OKCupid that he should use to destroy them and/or become very rich.

He doesn't have a slander or libel lawsuit; however, there is still a strong argument that OKCupid acted to irreparably and directly harm the reputation of Brendan Eich. The argument becomes stronger when observing that there was no issue with Eich prior to being promoted to CEO.

In all likelihood, Eich would either win a defamation of character lawsuit or have it downgraded to a strong harassment lawsuit. Harassment is nearly inescapable in this context: Eich was called out by name directly to all users of Mozilla browsers in a public campaign by OKCupid, and has experienced direct harm by these actions. Further, these were not allegations of continuing behavior; rather they were attacks on past behavior, with no accusations current--no accusation of Eich implementing hostile corporate behavior in his career.

Re:I think this is bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652631)

Well put, really sad that he's caved, as it means this utter bs will happen again.

Re:I think this is bullshit (2)

jellomizer (103300) | about 6 months ago | (#46652639)

The problem is people get outraged over everything that doesn't fit their image of their world.

When people think Mozilla, they think Open Source and a bunch of Liberal Personalities who will align all things that we think is Liberal. So when we find a guy who has a conservative bone in his body, we get all outraged over it.

Conservative groups have similar problems too. A religious charity had to back track on allowing Married Gays from volunteering. Because the conservative groups were just so angry about this conservative group they support to have a more progressive idea in their plan.

The thing is, if you take the script away on what is conservative and liberal. You will find that most people are often a mixture of Conservative and Liberal. And often what really makes them identify with one particular camp is only a small subset of issues that very important to them, the rest they are willing to flipflop to say in the group.

Re:I think this is bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652643)

This was a Broadroom Coup...

Re:I think this is bullshit (1)

assertation (1255714) | about 6 months ago | (#46652647)

Would you feel the same if Eich gave money to a group working to keep black people from marrying, Jews from becoming presidents, or women from becoming CEOs?

Re:I think this is bullshit (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652677)

That's your right, but I'm thankful this happened. As a consumer, it sucks that most companies are ethical and moral cesspools such that buying decisions are usually between products made by companies that are all assholes. It's nearly hopeless. It's nice to have at least one instance where a company considers the standards of its users (even if it's much easier than if his view was also going to rake in dough for Mozilla). Along those lines, I think OkCupid.com deserves a shout out: I found out about Eich the other day when I visited the site on Firefox and it popped up a page talking about the Mozilla CEO's stance on Prop 8, and asking me to consider using a different browser.

Re:I think this is bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652689)

So you stand for free speech unless *everyone* is using it to tell you what kind of an asshole you are and that they may not like the company you will be leading, in which case then it's just utter bullshit? I'm curious how you make those seem as though they're two different issues. Free speech works for more than just protecting the lone asshole, sometimes it illustrates that that asshole is full of shit and that they need to be changed, much like a diaper.

Good job community (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652381)

Now, the next time we disagree with anything that a CEO does, then we should issue a boycott of more of their completely unrelated, free software.

So, when do we start boycotting Linus for being one of the biggest jerks in the community?

Re:Good job community (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652395)

When do we start boycotting rms for smelling bad?

Re:Good job community (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652485)

Didn't we start that a decade ago?

I already do (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652467)

I already do

Re:Good job community (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652571)

Maybe when he participates in campaigns to take away people's civil rights.

What a badass! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652401)

What a badass!

gay country (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652403)

we have arrived. finally gay can define who can do what ...

Re:gay country (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652599)

haha, eich was lynched. I guess gay people are as intolerant as homophobes.

Moral of the story... (5, Interesting)

axlash (960838) | about 6 months ago | (#46652407)

...Keep your political views well hidden if you plan to head up an organisation that is sensitive as to how it is perceived by a cross-section of society.

Re:Moral of the story... (2)

XLT_Frank (2759563) | about 6 months ago | (#46652449)

Unless you are Chic-fil-a

Re:Moral of the story... (1)

galloog1 (3433335) | about 6 months ago | (#46652451)

Everyone should have the right to express their political opinion. It should only matter if they are taking actions based on those opinions that impact their organization which does not apply to this. Have a painting: http://www.nrm.org/wordpress/w... [nrm.org]

Re:Moral of the story... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652565)

Clicking like on a picture does not make your cause better...

Would you not fight for what you think is right?

Re:Moral of the story... (4, Insightful)

DaHat (247651) | about 6 months ago | (#46652587)

...Keep your political views well hidden

How well hidden is enough?

Clearly donations are out as the pro-Prop 8 donor list was leaked/stolen which is part of the reason for this bigotry of differing opinions.

Even filling in the oval on the ballot could come back and haunt you depending on how your ballot is treated and if it can be linked to you (here in Washington State, it's a trivial matter)).

you plan to head up an organisation that is sensitive as to how it is perceived by a cross-section of society.

I don't know about you, I don't know which groups I might be heading in 6 years, or 60 for that matter... best to just stop voting, donating money or having opinions that someone somewhere might find offensive... unless that too is considered offensive.

Re:Moral of the story... (1)

assertation (1255714) | about 6 months ago | (#46652687)

Why should CEOs be any different than us with HR people Googling on our names, asking for Facebook passwords, and telling us what can/can not go on our personal web sites ( work related or not )?

Victory for the Thought Police? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652413)

I'm not sure how we are supposed to take this. I guess the Thought Police have won another round. I've never met the guy and don't know much about him but it seems like he was harpooned for personal beliefs (that clearly match up with many other people based on the vote). Are we really this much against differing viewpoints? Against religious freedom?

Wow America. Step back and get a grip.

Re:Victory for the Thought Police? (1)

CWCheese (729272) | about 6 months ago | (#46652469)

Apparently so, but it wasn't America that caused it, just a miniscule rabble. And thus so sad for everyone.

Re:Victory for the Thought Police? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652611)

it wasn't America that caused it, just a miniscule rabble

You're unfamiliar with the whole "blame America for every problem no matter what" phenomenon sweeping the Internet.

It has all but replaced Godwin's law.

Re:Victory for the Thought Police? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652615)

So, the fact that a few people said something about not supporting a company whose CEO they don't like is sad ... because FREE SPEECH!!

Re:Victory for the Thought Police? (-1, Troll)

oh_my_080980980 (773867) | about 6 months ago | (#46652503)

You might want to read about proposition 8 before you sound like a jackass...

Re:Victory for the Thought Police? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652635)

President Obama's view on same sex marriage were aligned in Prop 8 and the Mozilla CEO. Do you not remember this?

This whole thing is just getting thought-police creepy. There's a huge group of folks out there that want to shut down any type of dissent, from global warming to same-sex marriage. Not healthy.

Re:Victory for the Thought Police? (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 6 months ago | (#46652513)

its not 'america', its a small tech section of it.

and this guy's views are offensive to any thinking person. only old hold-backs are still refusing to grant equal rights to everyone.

all he has to do is stop supporting bad behavior. ie, the bad behavior is the *active suppression* of other peoples' rights. its that simple. stop trying to limit what person A and B can do, just because your personal views think 'its icky!' or that your god says its wrong.

to be worthy of a ceo position, its not asking too much that the person not be an embarasment. and, sorry to say, his views were a total embarasment. I would not want a KKK supporter or a neo-nazi supporter to be in a position of power, either.

Re:Victory for the Thought Police? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652525)

He was against inequality, plain and simple. So what if there's a huge portion of the population that are ok with inequality, but the fact that enough people had a problem with it that changes were made brings a slight glimmer of hope for that busted country.

Re:Victory for the Thought Police? (2, Insightful)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | about 6 months ago | (#46652591)

The Thought Police have been around for all of time. Think it's ok to molest small children? Expect the Thought police to ostracize you. Support stripping the rights of your fellow citizens? Here comes the "thought police". Give money to the KKK, here come the "thought police".

You're free to practice your religion. Your religion is free to say that gay people are gross. Your religion is free to say that it's good to sacrifice virgins over an alter. We're all free to call you crazy wackos. Freedom goes both way bucko.

Crying "religious freedom" is like running up, kicking someone in the shins and then yelling "No backsies, religious freedom!" Believe whatever you want, but trying to strip rights from your fellow citizens isn't a "belief" that's action. That's an assault on their rights.

That's gay (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652421)

And I mean this in the most disrespectful way.

what a wimp (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652427)

pussy.
gay mafia strikes again.

good news everyone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652435)

We can start using JavaScript again...

Re:good news everyone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652545)

We can start using JavaScript again...

Noooooooooooooooooooooo! Anything but that.

Inevitable (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652443)

I suspected this was inevitable as soon as the controversy erupted. All he needed to do was say "sorry, I was wrong, and I've changed my mind". But he didn't, and is weasel-worded blog post shows that he obviously hasn't changed his mind. So good riddance. The community doesn't need, nor want, him around.

Hmm... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652447)

Another victim of equality... Heaven forbid anyone ever believe that homosexuality is a bad thing.

Discrimination is alive and well... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652455)

I wonder if people would react this way to the opposite point of view, if an LGBT person donated to an anti-prop 8 campaign ... should they be forced to resign?

This is sad... I for one will be uninstalling Mozilla from all of my computers, and begin to argue that all my friends move away from the browser.

Re:Discrimination is alive and well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652629)

I wonder if people would react this way to the opposite point of view, if an LGBT person donated to an anti-prop 8 campaign ... should they be forced to resign?

No, they shouldn't because those are not comparable things. One side was seeking to take liberties from others. The other side was preventing the legislation of bigotry. Being against Prop 8 was not being for the removal of other people's rights. Your statement is moronic.

??? First two comments deleted? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652471)

What's the Fodder for this such politicaly-incorrect feeble fable babble? A witch witch hunt perhaps... Shall we say?!

Freedom of speech (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652509)

Freedom is the freedom to say that 2 + 2 = 4.
Freedom is the freedom to say that 2 + 2 = 5.

Re:Freedom of speech (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652617)

"You are entitled to your own opinions. You are not entitled to your own facts."

Re:Freedom of speech (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652673)

And the freedom to say that 2 + 2 != 5.

Honestly, I'm surprised. (1)

wjcofkc (964165) | about 6 months ago | (#46652521)

If he would have just waited a few weeks the whole thing would have just blown over. Even the ten people boycotting Firefox would have forgotten. He must have been under some internal pressure.

not hounded for his views/opinions (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652579)

Eich/Mozilla weren't hounded for Eich's views. Eich can hold whatever opinions he wants. Eich crossed the line when he materially supported an effort to use the force of law to make a lot of Mozilla users (and some employees) second class citizens unable to exercise rights that should be afforded to all human beings. Having opinions is great, even if they are controversial, but forcing them on other people is wrong, trying to deny people their rights as human beings because they aren't like you is wrong. Don't expect to be in a leadership position of an organization that prides itself on benefiting all of humanity if you don't think all humans should enjoy the same benefits.

freedom of speech (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652593)

Sorry but this is NOT about freedom of speech... he had the freedom to support prop8, but the people boycotting firefox had the freedom to do so as well. Freedom of speech does not mean you have a right not to be criticized for your opinions.

This is unacceptable (4, Insightful)

SocietyoftheFist (316444) | about 6 months ago | (#46652595)

I feel bad for him, it is only because of his public position that this is an issue. If you dig deep enough, none of us should keep our jobs.

Re:This is unacceptable (1, Insightful)

vux984 (928602) | about 6 months ago | (#46652665)

If you dig deep enough, none of us should keep our jobs.

Nobody is going to boycott IBM, and no employees are going to refuse to come into work because Joe in accounting tells racist jokes at family gatherings.

If the CEO did it on twitter, that would be entirely different, and you know it. Even if it was his 'personal' twitter account.

Who cares? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652597)

His views wouldn't be an issue if the average person could think critically for themselves.

This doesn't set a good precedence (1)

scrabbleship (942734) | about 6 months ago | (#46652657)

No matter what he believed, this kind of tomfoolery doesn't bode well for public discourse in america

WTF? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652671)

What are they smoking at Mozilla? There was more equality behind Iron Curtain than there will ever be in any western country or organization for that matter. If you don't believe me ask your friends who date East European girls. They will tell you who is pulling the strings and its certainly not the guy. Also, I fail to see how Eich stepping down makes Mozilla a better place (more equality than before he was appointed CEO? WTF logic?). Will that happen suddently in the very instant he leaves the building or just two minutes after that? Suddenly Mozilla will become a better place and unicorns will land on magic carpets in Alaska. Hypocrisy at its best. Well done!

I think it sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652683)

What about freedom of speech?

Can't have it both ways (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46652691)

You can't defend his right to have a bigoted opinion and criticize others for their rejection of it. You're allowed to have whatever opinion you want, but you don't get to control other people's reactions to it.

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