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Tesla Model S Has Hidden Ethernet Port, User Runs Firefox On the 17" Screen

timothy posted about 7 months ago | from the wardriving-in-style dept.

Hardware Hacking 208

New submitter FikseGTS (3604833) writes "A Tesla Model S owner located a 4 pin connector on the left side of the Tesla Model S dashboard that turns out to be a disguised ethernet networking port. After crafting his owns patch cable to connect with the Tesla's port, a networking connection was established between the Tesla Model S and a laptop computer. The Model S is running a 100 Mbps, full duplex ethernet network and 3 devices were found with assigned IP addresses in the 192.168.90.0 subnet. Some ports and services that were open on the devices were 22 (SSH), 23 (telnet),53 (open domain), 80 (HTTP), 111 (rpcbind), 2049 (NFS), 6000 (X11). Port 80 was serving up a web page with the image or media of the current song being played. The operating system is modified version of Ubuntu using an ext3 filesystem. Using X11 it also appears that someone was able to somewhat run Firefox on both of the Model S screens. Is a jailbroken Tesla Model S on the way?" Some more details on this front would be appreciated, for anyone who has a Tesla they'd like to explore.

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Why Ubuntu?! (5, Insightful)

Noxal (816780) | about 7 months ago | (#46665857)

I would feel safer on the road with CentOS. :P

Re:Why Ubuntu?! (1)

nopainogain (1091795) | about 7 months ago | (#46665877)

I want to know how he matched up the pins and the baud rate. Screw that up on something like a car you're probably in for expensive repair and a real bad time at the car dealer---(example) yeah, i thought this thing was free internet so i connected something i designed on my own bench for it and plugged it in, now the car wont start.... I cant wait to see the data on how he did the whole thing.

Re:Why Ubuntu?! (1)

ackthpt (218170) | about 7 months ago | (#46665923)

Elon Musk is no ordinary car dealer. Perhaps he could totally understand. Where many car dealers would consult their Chilton's, not find the problem or time to fix, and just make up something which allowed them to smile broadly, very broadly indeed.

Re:Why Ubuntu?! (2)

R.Mo_Robert (737913) | about 7 months ago | (#46665967)

I want to know how he matched up the pins and the baud rate.
Screw that up on something like a car you're probably in for expensive repair and a real bad time at the car dealer [...]
I cant wait to see the data on how he did the whole thing.

It's Ethernet. I'm pretty sure nothing bad will happen if you accidentally switch two of the wires. You just won't get a connection. Their job was also a bit easier in that they used 4-pin rather than 6, but I guess they decided they wouldn't need GigE for whatever this was designed for. :)

Re:Why Ubuntu?! (1)

nopainogain (1091795) | about 7 months ago | (#46666023)

according to what the story said here, it wasnt a typical RJ45 where you look at it and perceive it to be ethernet at first glance. that's where my comment originated. Having worked in Network Engineering for a little over a decade, I know how to terminate cat5 and cat6 T568A and B so I mean if it looked like an RJ45, sure its easy but the way the story reads, it didnt sound like it was.

Re:Why Ubuntu?! (3, Interesting)

wolrahnaes (632574) | about 7 months ago | (#46666285)

I have no idea how they found it, but two possible ideas:

1. They found something that was more obviously Ethernet elsewhere and just traced it to this port.

2. They stuck a scope on it and saw something that looked like a link pulse [wikipedia.org] , then assumed it was Ethernet from there.

Re:Why Ubuntu?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46667309)

no.

"After taking apart one end of an ethernet patch cable and trying different pin combinations to connect with the Tesla’s port, a networking connection was established between the Model S and a laptop computer"

This appears to be an ethernet switch at that point, which means that he only had 4 combinations to try. Only 4 pins of a RJ-45 are used. If it was PoE then he'd have damaged his laptop.

As for why Ubuntu ..... well that's the only OS that comes with multimedia components as part of the stock installation. What would be interesting is finding out where the firmware is physically located.

As for hacking the Tesla... don't ****ing do it, last thing we need is someone to void their warranty and have the thing crash and burn because someone thought it would be fun to overclock the engine timing.

Re:Why Ubuntu?! (3, Informative)

Obfuscant (592200) | about 7 months ago | (#46666181)

Their job was also a bit easier in that they used 4-pin rather than 6, but I guess they decided they wouldn't need GigE

GigE uses 8.

Re:Why Ubuntu?! (1)

nopainogain (1091795) | about 7 months ago | (#46666271)

i wonder if the car shuts off if you configure it as a loopback...lol

Re:Why Ubuntu?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46667211)

Could well be the car uses the full 8 for GigE, but the port only exposes 4 since the computer interface used by mechanics only requires 100Mb

Re:Why Ubuntu?! (5, Funny)

lgw (121541) | about 7 months ago | (#46666239)

I'm pretty sure nothing bad will happen

BRB, bricking my $100k car ...

Re:Why Ubuntu?! (5, Interesting)

50000BTU_barbecue (588132) | about 7 months ago | (#46666455)

Exactly. Ethernet is transfomer coupled, so just try the various combinations until it works. Even worse, I'm pretty sure you don't even need to match tx to rx anymore, it auto-negotiates that now. Remember the blue ethernet cables with the red cable boots? The ones to connect computer to computer? They had crossed wires because ethernet didn't used to check for that. I'm sure you haven't seen a red boot on a cable in many years!

Re:Why Ubuntu?! (1)

mysidia (191772) | about 7 months ago | (#46666515)

Exactly. Ethernet is transfomer coupled, so just try the various combinations until it works.

What if they didn't implement the full Ethernet spec... and it's similar to Ethernet, but not transformer coupled?

Re:Why Ubuntu?! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46667087)

Two things; first - being transformer coupled has nothing to do with polarity detection or auto-crossover. Second - if it weren't transformer coupled, noise concerns and grounding problems would get a LOT worse.

Re:Why Ubuntu?! (3, Informative)

dbIII (701233) | about 7 months ago | (#46666543)

I'm sure you haven't seen a red boot on a cable in many years!

The crossover cable I've got it black with black boots - there was not an official standard followed of red boots that's just what the vendor of your cable used. There are still crossover cables listed from some online suppliers.

tx to rx anymore, it auto-negotiates that now

At the switch end almost always now. I'm not so sure about some of the low end stuff on motherboards for the other end.

I can see myself using a crossover cable again soon for 10Gb ethernet if it's needed, although the switches are starting to descend from insane prices.

To Clarify (1)

dbIII (701233) | about 7 months ago | (#46666561)

The specs for all recent switches I've seen will let you connect with a crossover cable as if it's a normal cable. However I don't think it's always the other way where a PC to PC connection will use a normal cable as a link and treat it like old machines connected via a crossover cable.

Re:To Clarify (1)

Noxal (816780) | about 7 months ago | (#46666577)

If one of the PCs has a gigabit port, it'll auto-negotiate that shit.

Re:To Clarify (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46666741)

It'll *usually* auto-negotiate. I should point out that on higher end switches, you can actually turn off the auto-negotiate even for gigabit, just to mess with people.

Re:To Clarify (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 7 months ago | (#46667121)

10baseT and 100baseT do not have 'auto cable reversing' but gig-E does.

if your switch is gig-e or your nic is, then the cable wont' matter.

but if you are all 'fast ether' the cable does still matter (cross or straight).

Re:To Clarify (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46667273)

Perhaps 10/100 base don't have it as part of the spec, but I've seen 20yr old cards (e.g. DEC Tulip) that implemented auto-negotiation straight out of the box. I think you'd be surprised at how many NIC cards/chipsets you can just plug any old cable into and have it work as an auto-crossover.

Most people simply aren't aware, because the rise of ubiquitous Wifi and cheap switches means that crossover cables are seldom used.

Re:Why Ubuntu?! (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | about 7 months ago | (#46666647)

It depends on if you're doing GbE or regular 10/100. GbE transceivers auto-negotiate, so you don't really even need to bother wiring connectors correctly. 10/100 transceivers don't do this, however.

Re:Why Ubuntu?! (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about 7 months ago | (#46666839)

Got 4 of them here. BIAMP DSP's all come with a nice crossover.

Re:Why Ubuntu?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46666067)

I want to know how he matched up the pins and the baud rate.

That was probably easy. There are only four wires with 24 possible combinations. Common conventions used for Ethernet PHY pinouts would eliminate most of those, leaving only a few likely possibilities. Then you just guess until your host auto-negotiates the rate, duplex and MDI/MDIX for the connection. Miss-wiring just means that doesn't happen; it won't hurt anything.

Re:Why Ubuntu?! (1)

sjames (1099) | about 7 months ago | (#46666229)

100baseTX uses 1V differential signaling. If you guess wrong, you're more likely to blow up your network card than the car. Once you guess the pairs correctly, autonegotiation figures out the speed for you.

Re:Why Ubuntu?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46666277)

Link is relevant regards having a real bad time http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/153300/thumper-the-super-cool-ski-instructor

Re:Why Ubuntu?! (5, Funny)

Redmancometh (2676319) | about 7 months ago | (#46666409)

"I would feel safer on the road with CentOS. :P"

"Bug report: Won't turn left"

To turn left please turn the steering wheel two times to the left, press the brake, and then turn the steering wheel to the right. This is a feature to prevent accidental left turns.

"Bug report closed"

Re:Why Ubuntu?! (5, Funny)

mysidia (191772) | about 7 months ago | (#46666531)

Is that the Kay Sievers [freedesktop.org] reply?

Closed: Wontfix, Not a bug

Again, move discussions to the mailing list; this is a bug tracker, but there is no bug to track or fix here.

Re:Why Ubuntu?! (1)

Redmancometh (2676319) | about 7 months ago | (#46666821)

That was part of my inspiration actually. The other thing was CentOS over-complicating really simple things for..questionable reasons.

Re:Why Ubuntu?! (3, Funny)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about 7 months ago | (#46666861)

I would feel safer on the road with CentOS.

What, you want your car to last 10 years?

Quick, somebody come up with a car analogy to explain this...

Re:Why Ubuntu?! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46667003)

Quick, somebody come up with a car analogy to explain this...

Here's a bunch of packages of dubious QA, and also, a replacement for the steering wheel that absolutely nobody wants. Also forget cars, we're putting it on a phone.

SkyNet is here (2, Funny)

Laxori666 (748529) | about 7 months ago | (#46665867)

The Teslas will be the front-line soldiers when skynet finally awakes and claims its birth-right.

Re:SkyNet is here (3, Funny)

nopainogain (1091795) | about 7 months ago | (#46665899)

the first time one transforms like Bumblebee I am going to be really upset.

Almost (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46665919)

But there's only a limited number of them and if they all blow themselves up by catching fire, that advantage quickly dwindles.

Re:SkyNet is here (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 7 months ago | (#46666297)

But they run Linux, neither Windows nor MacOS...

While driving? (1)

rossdee (243626) | about 7 months ago | (#46665879)

Or parked

Re:While driving? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46665969)

Or parked

Like it matters? We're talking about "jailbreaking" a device responsible for transporting you down the highway safely at dangerously high speeds.

That is a slightly different safety scenario than hacking your fucking cell phone, and brings a whole new meaning to the term "bricked", for it might be you quite literally hitting a brick wall as a result.

Let's hope the Darwin award winners aren't Tesla owners...

Re:While driving? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46666169)

I'm just guessing, but I imagine the entertainment system is totally separate from the stuff that actually matters.

Just like how the entertainment systems in some airplanes are probably not directly connected to the engines...

Re:While driving? (2)

mythosaz (572040) | about 7 months ago | (#46666257)

totally separate

We have a word for that. It's "separate."

Anyway, your guess is wrong. While this system may only be a receiver of data, it is most certainly connected to "the stuff that actually matters."

touch screens in cars, bad idea? (5, Insightful)

jaymz666 (34050) | about 7 months ago | (#46665901)

I think touch screens are kind of dangerous in a car. I know what my dials and buttons do and can control them by feel while watching the road. touch screens not so much

Re:touch screens in cars, bad idea? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46666017)

Ineffective touchscreens are certainly dangerous.

Effective depends on the person.

Effective with a feedback mechanism covers even your complaint.

Re:touch screens in cars, bad idea? (1)

Extremus (1043274) | about 7 months ago | (#46666059)

Is this a car analogy to the famous porn games/sex doll argument?

Re:touch screens in cars, bad idea? (1)

nospam007 (722110) | about 7 months ago | (#46666105)

"I think touch screens are kind of dangerous in a car. I know what my dials and buttons do and can control them by feel ..."

You mean you're tapping your dials all the time because you don't trust them.

Re:touch screens in cars, bad idea? (-1, Troll)

TrollstonButterbeans (2914995) | about 7 months ago | (#46666117)

+1 insightful. Insightful about you! Millions of cars have touchscreens, you are sample size = 1.

Re:touch screens in cars, bad idea? (2, Insightful)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 7 months ago | (#46667149)

millions of products are designed by idiots for idiots.

what exactly are you trying to prove, here?

any experienced UI designer (for things like cars, planes, boats, etc) knows that TACTILE is important and not something you give away. pressing on glass is the worst you can get in tactile.

only an idiot designs those for cars.

yes, I called musk an idiot. in this area, he let idiots design a UI that had no business doing it. he is clearly appealing to other rich idiots who don't really want a good UI design. they mostly buy the car for a fashion statement.

Re:touch screens in cars, bad idea? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 7 months ago | (#46666313)

Hate to tell you, but touch screens have been a staple for fighter jets for a few days now, I'd guess if that needs a heck of a lot of attention it would probably not be done...

That said, you can indeed define touchscreens so that you need no "look" to know what you're doing. It takes some brain during designing and some brain during usage, that's true, but else, it's very doable.

Re:touch screens in cars, bad idea? (5, Insightful)

iluvcapra (782887) | about 7 months ago | (#46666563)

Hate to tell you, but touch screens have been a staple for fighter jets for a few days now,

Hate to tell you, but fighter pilots are trained professionals who spend years learning how to use their equipment in an efficient way that doesn't interfere with their flying of the plane.

Also, the obvious complexity of flying a supersonic $10e9 machine designed to blow stuff up notwithstanding, the problem domain of flying a fighter jet does not involve such things as traffic and obstacles, which is why we've had automatic pilots 60 years ago, but we're only barely beginning to have auto-driving cars.

Re:touch screens in cars, bad idea? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46666911)

Worse, flown it. Touchscreens are a miserable failure in aviation. Hate that bullshit, and, oh by the way, the idiots in texas finally gave in and added radio tuning knobs because the touchscreen is so useless. Similarly, many civillian avioncs have given up on the touchscreen only, and have gone to bezel buttons for primary and touchscreeen for marketing.

Re:touch screens in cars, bad idea? (3, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | about 7 months ago | (#46666851)

Bet you fighter jet pilots are 900,000 times more trained than the idiots that I drive to work in the morning with on the highway. The people I see driving can barely keep a car between two painted lines and off of rumble strips.

Re:touch screens in cars, bad idea? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46667131)

That's why aircraft have MFDs, which have rows of buttons for tactile feedback.

Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46665927)

Now we can have idiots screwing around with the onboard computer and kill themselves because they did something they shouldn't have.

Re:Great! (1)

tchdab1 (164848) | about 7 months ago | (#46666541)

Yes - to phone calling and texting, we can now add real-time network analysis of the car to the list of dangerous distractions of the electronic kind.

Should void warranty (4, Insightful)

Guspaz (556486) | about 7 months ago | (#46665939)

If you want to jailbreak your phone/tablet/television/refrigerator/etc., power to you. If you do anything that impairs reliability, the worst case is that you can't make a phone call, or your ice-cream melts. You're not having any impact on other people.

If you jailbreak your car, however, and inadvertently change something that impairs reliability, you're compromising the safety of everybody else on the road. Everything (including braking) in Tesla cars is tied into the software, and this is not something you should mess around with.

Re:Should void warranty (5, Interesting)

TrekkieGod (627867) | about 7 months ago | (#46666035)

If you jailbreak your car, however, and inadvertently change something that impairs reliability, you're compromising the safety of everybody else on the road. Everything (including braking) in Tesla cars is tied into the software, and this is not something you should mess around with.

Bullshit. Tesla has stated that the computer that controls the 17" and panel LCDs are completely separated from the important stuff in the car. They'd be stupid not to. Case in point, you can reboot both systems by holding left and right buttons on the steering wheel. You can do so while driving, I've personally done it. The music stops playing, and you need to put your gps destination in again after it finishes rebooting. If you reboot the panel screen, you lose your speedometer until it boots back up. Steering, acceleration, braking, cruise control, it all continues to work normally.

Yes, you can change driving settings from that interface, but it doesn't mean the functionality resides in that interface. It just passes the message through to much more robust computer handling actual car functions, and I'm sure said messages are sanitized to the extreme on the receiving end.

Re:Should void warranty (1)

mythosaz (572040) | about 7 months ago | (#46666263)

It can't do the things it does without being connected. It might only be a receiver of data, but it's sure as hell connected.

Re:Should void warranty (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46666953)

There are two types of communication, unidirectional and bidirectional. With the former, a television transmitter sending pictures and sound to your television set is connected. However, shouting at your television set would have very little effect.

Phillip.

Re:Should void warranty (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46666265)

>..., and I'm sure said messages are sanitized to the extreme on the receiving end.

I wouldn't be all that sure. Yes, they should be sanitized but security is hard. Damn hard. There's no guarantee that Tesla got it right.

Re:Should void warranty (1)

plopez (54068) | about 7 months ago | (#46666423)

And corporations are never incompetent or lie..

Re:Should void warranty (1)

iluvcapra (782887) | about 7 months ago | (#46666601)

Bullshit. Tesla has stated that the computer that controls the 17" and panel LCDs are completely separated from the important stuff in the car.

Hrm. The Tesla touchscreen give your instrumentation and feedback on powerplant performance, and it allows you to control the headlamps, doors, regenerative braking and hydraulics. I'm not clear on what kind of "complete separation" were talking about. If an attacker got into the touchscreen they probably wouldn't be able to brick the whole car, but if you lost the touchscreen while moving on the road you could be in a lot of trouble.

Re:Should void warranty (3, Funny)

Lumpy (12016) | about 7 months ago | (#46666865)

If the attacker loaded up a whole playlist full of Justin Bieber? you be your will be in a buttload of trouble if you lose touchscreen control...

Re:Should void warranty (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46666891)

Nearly all cars have an internal network called CAN. It's basically an ad-hoc message-based network where you can query different modules in the car or send requests to them. Mostly likely the dashboard "controls" the car that way.

Re:Should void warranty (1)

Guspaz (556486) | about 7 months ago | (#46666655)

As others have pointed out, there's a hell of a lot more connectivity between the two systems than you're implying, and... firmware updates would be done over the same network that jailbreakers are messing with.

Re:Should void warranty (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46667001)

" If you reboot the panel screen, you lose your speedometer until it boots back up. Steering, acceleration, braking, cruise control, it all continues to work normally."

That, right there, violates federal law. It is illegal for a vehicle not to display its speed to the driver AT ALL TIMES while driving. Says so right there in the FMVSS.

Re:Should void warranty (1)

BosstonesOwn (794949) | about 7 months ago | (#46667261)

My s550 does the same, so there is obviously some work around here. I had 2 occasions where my car lost the display and both speed and rpm on the screen were lost. They come back after 15 seconds and the system reboots. But there is obviously a work around here, it can't be "illegal".

Re:Should void warranty (1)

nospam007 (722110) | about 7 months ago | (#46666131)

"...inadvertently change something that impairs reliability, you're compromising the safety of everybody else on the road. "

People fix their breaks, gears, engines all the time since the dawn of the industrial revolution.
You don't need software to be stupid.

Re:Should void warranty (4, Insightful)

bmo (77928) | about 7 months ago | (#46666157)

If you jailbreak your car, however, and inadvertently change something that impairs reliability, you're compromising the safety of everybody else on the road.

Yeah? So? That's what insurance is for.

Secondly, you don't seem to have remembered that there are over 100 years of DIY automobile engineering (commonly called hotrodding).

Are you German or something?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... [youtube.com]

--
BMO

Re:Should void warranty (1)

PCM2 (4486) | about 7 months ago | (#46666397)

If you jailbreak your car, however, and inadvertently change something that impairs reliability, you're compromising the safety of everybody else on the road. Everything (including braking) in Tesla cars is tied into the software, and this is not something you should mess around with.

Do you give this same speech to all the BMW owners who buy custom performance mod chips?

Re:Should void warranty (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about 7 months ago | (#46666885)

Those are car guys not "bimmer" owners. a vary big difference. Anyone that does any real German car modding (or motorcycle) know there are two very very separate groups owning BMW cars and bikes.

You have the "bimmers" and the gear heads, the bimmers are the raging assholes that drive 3 feet from your bumper and has the dealer do everything while repeating the "best driving machine in the world" mantra... the gear heads are the guys that turn wrenches and do mods and are quick to point out that German engineers are major idiots at times.

Re:Should void warranty (1)

maz2331 (1104901) | about 7 months ago | (#46667027)

I am in the gearhead category. I'm just waiting for my little 328i to go out of warranty so I can start playing with some go-faster mods.

Re:Should void warranty (1)

okle69 (258936) | about 7 months ago | (#46667143)

I'm assuming you're not in the US? Here we can modify our cars to our heart's content, as long as those modifications are not the cause of the item to be repaired under warranty they cannot count against you and the warranty must be honored. It's called the Magnusson-Moss Act.

Re:Should void warranty (1)

okle69 (258936) | about 7 months ago | (#46667151)

Sorry, misspelled Magnuson-Moss Act. And to further clarify you can only mod so far... i.e. supe up your engine too much and your tranny breaks, you're out of luck. But you can do some go-faster mods with little to no worries.

Just jailbreaking the radio/cassette/CD/mp3 player (1)

dbIII (701233) | about 7 months ago | (#46666633)

It's just the equivalent of messing with the car stereo on other cars.

Re:Should void warranty (2)

MightyYar (622222) | about 7 months ago | (#46666643)

If you jailbreak your car, however, and inadvertently change something that impairs reliability, you're compromising the safety of everybody else on the road.

I share your outrage. Can you imagine if people were allowed to make modifications to their cars? We'd better stuff this cat back in the bag before someone overheats their pushrods.

Re:Should void warranty (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46666921)

I wonder if you can overclock it.

damn hackers, don't they know this is *dangerous*? (5, Funny)

meeotch (524339) | about 7 months ago | (#46665983)

For the love of God, if you're going to hack while driving, at least get yourself a safety device [amazon.com] .

Re:damn hackers, don't they know this is *dangerou (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 7 months ago | (#46666097)

iirc, that had a ton of user submitted photos and they were funny as hell. looks like amazon took the user photos down. too bad, it really gave context to the 'reviews' on that product.

Firefox? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46666001)

I always did think Teslas were kinda gay.

Re:Firefox? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46666199)

Resist the Gaystapo!
Sign the petition! [truthrevolt.org]

Just stop (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46666011)

Stop fucking with shit while you are supposed to be driving...

Re:Just stop (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 7 months ago | (#46666333)

Hand in your geek card. Your outcry should be to all the other Tesla owners "Stop driving while you are supposed to be fucking with shit!"

... modified version of Ubuntu (4, Insightful)

snikulin (889460) | about 7 months ago | (#46666171)

I assume they made all their sources available to Tesla owners, right?

Connector type (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46666185)

That connector seems to be a M12 standard industrial ethernet connector (IEC 61067–2–101 Amendment 1)

Re:Connector type (4, Informative)

Pulzar (81031) | about 7 months ago | (#46666841)

Yeah, it is [rsdelivers.com] . "Disguised", my ass.

X11? (1)

PPH (736903) | about 7 months ago | (#46666325)

It would be nice to know if there is some sort of window manager running there. If so, it might be possible to add hosts to this network running their own X clients.

Re:X11? (1)

wierd_w (1375923) | about 7 months ago | (#46666457)

Just add an aftermarket wifi access point to the ethernet connection, then you can attach any number of local network X clients to the X server. Tablets, laptops, et al.

Slap that bitch inside the dash or something. They usually eat 12v DC anyway, so it shouldnt be hard to wire in.

Just make sure you aren't a total retard. Put the broadcast power on the access point to the absolute minimum needed to service the vehicle's interior, and use WPA2. Also, set access restrictions on the SSH, Telnet, and other vulnerable services so that digital signature checking is in force.

Running a minimalist GUI on the X server would allow the vehicle to do all manner of interesting things during the day. It could even run as a node on Folding@home if you really wanted. I was thinking more along the lines of encrypted email clients with GPG and something like clawsmail though.

Coming soon... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46666435)

....some moron "jailbreaks" the car....messes something up, and causes the car to crash/explode/something....

And a nice lawsuit blaming Tesla.

Re:Coming soon... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46666717)

> ....some Jeff Goldblum "jailbreaks" the car....uploads a virus with a Powerbook, and causes the car to crash/explode/something....

There, FTFY. Welcome to Earth!

Re:Coming soon... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46666735)

Nah, he wouldn't blow up the battery, he'd just remove the speed governor.

"Must go faster!!"

Jailbroken? (1)

countach (534280) | about 7 months ago | (#46666449)

The idea you would jailbreak it assumes the system is actually heavily secured like an iPhone. Maybe it's just an Ubuntu system with no special security in place, and it's just a matter of booting it from an external drive or something similar.

Anyway, it would be kind of odd trying to stop you tinkering with it, as if you could tell users not to adjust their valve timing or not to pull their differential apart.

Re:Jailbroken? (1)

maz2331 (1104901) | about 7 months ago | (#46667039)

Uh, a Tesla doesn't have valves to time... just saying.

The Most Important Question Is.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46666463)

Can I mime Bitcoins with it?

Re:The Most Important Question Is.... (2)

Salgamma (580597) | about 7 months ago | (#46667317)

Can I mime Bitcoins with it?

A mime is a terrible thing to bitcoin.

Tesla hates fags (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46666901)

Seriously you guys.

Proof Elon Musk is a Fucking Idiot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46666981)

Everyone knows that if you do not have physical security, you do not have security. Leaving a port just dangling there for anyone to connect to is just fucking stupid. Having everything in the car communicate on an unencrypted network is even more stupid.

Re:Proof Elon Musk is a Fucking Idiot (1)

BosstonesOwn (794949) | about 7 months ago | (#46667295)

Tesla uses can-bus like every other auto in the world with advanced controls.

Power over Ethernet? (1)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | about 7 months ago | (#46667045)

Sounds like a very slow way to charge your sportscar when all you have is a Cat5 cable. :)

Phones home? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46667057)

We should also note that apparently Tesla engineers detected this hacking or exploring and sent a nastygram to the cars owner, “Tesla USA engineers have seen a tentative of hacking on my car.”, “can be related to industrial espionage and advised me to stop investigation, to not void the warranty”.

That's worrying if the car phones home to alert engineer that you're dinkin around in the car's network. Wonder what other information the car is sending to Tesla's corporate headquarters?

Everything is watching you these days... (5, Informative)

Lothsahn (221388) | about 7 months ago | (#46667117)

The craziest thing in the article that I saw was that Tesla contacted him to tell him he couldn't do that on his car, or it'd void his warranty. Not only is he not allowed to reverse engineer how his car works, they're apparently watching his car at all times.

It won't be long before people will know what we do, 24/7.

Firefox on Tesla? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46667291)

That's so gay.
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