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Japan Orders Military To Strike Any New North Korea Missiles

timothy posted about 7 months ago | from the aw-c'mon-you-spoilsports dept.

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jones_supa (887896) writes "Japan has ordered a destroyer in the Sea of Japan to strike any ballistic missiles that may be launched by North Korea in the coming weeks after Pyongyang fired a Rodong medium-range missile over the sea. Japanese Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera issued the order on Thursday, but did not make it public in order to avoid putting a chill on renewed talks between Tokyo and Pyongyang. The Rodong missile fell into the sea after flying 650 km, short of a maximum range thought to be some 1,300 km, which means it could reach Japan. Japanese Aegis destroyers in the Sea of Japan are equipped with advanced radar equipment able to track multiple targets and carry missiles designed to take out targets at the edge of space."

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Bad Neighbors (4, Insightful)

amiga3D (567632) | about 7 months ago | (#46669013)

Living near North Korea is like living next door to a crazy man who walks outside and blasts away with a semi-auto rifle occasionally. Not aiming at you but just blazing away randomly while jibbering madly.

Re:Bad Neighbors (5, Insightful)

rasmusbr (2186518) | about 7 months ago | (#46669133)

Living near North Korea is like living next door to a crazy man who walks outside and blasts away with a semi-auto rifle occasionally. Not aiming at you but just blazing away randomly while jibbering madly.

Yes, but it beats living inside North Korea.

Even if you're one of the few privileged middle class people who lead almost "normal" lives in Pyongyang you still live under the constant threat of ending up in one of the concentration camps, which can happen if someone thinks that you've said or done something that the leader clique doesn't like. Oh and by the way, they'll sometimes throw in your whole family with you, old Testament style. That is the ultimate means of how a totalitarian regime to keep the people that it has enslaved from doing anything to overthrow or reform it. Even if you manage to evade them and escape, they'll still get your family.

Future historians will place tremendous blame on China's government for doing virtually nothing to influence its neighbor and ally to stop the atrocities in the 2000's and 2010's when they easily could have with all their new-found economic and military power.

Re:Bad Neighbors (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46669267)

Future historians will place tremendous blame on China's government for doing virtually nothing to influence its neighbor and ally to stop the atrocities in the 2000's and 2010's when they easily could have with all their new-found economic and military power.

Uh, there are plenty of atrocities going on in China right now [wikipedia.org] so it's absurd to expect the current rulers in China to do anything about atrocities in North Korea. China wishes to have a buffer between its border and capitalist democracy South Korea and the suffering of the North Korean people is of no concern to them (heck, they deport refugees back to NK to a certain death sentence). In addition to being such a buffer, NK is a bargaining chip in all negotiations China has with the US, Japan and SK. China can offer to reign in NK in return for something China wants.

Re:Bad Neighbors (1)

rasmusbr (2186518) | about 7 months ago | (#46669319)

Future historians will place tremendous blame on China's government for doing virtually nothing to influence its neighbor and ally to stop the atrocities in the 2000's and 2010's when they easily could have with all their new-found economic and military power.

Uh, there are plenty of atrocities going on in China right now [wikipedia.org] so it's absurd to expect the current rulers in China to do anything about atrocities in North Korea. China wishes to have a buffer between its border and capitalist democracy South Korea and the suffering of the North Korean people is of no concern to them (heck, they deport refugees back to NK to a certain death sentence). In addition to being such a buffer, NK is a bargaining chip in all negotiations China has with the US, Japan and SK. China can offer to reign in NK in return for something China wants.

Yes, but none of this is going to make China's inaction look any better to people looking back from the future at what China does (or what it doesn't do) today. The more we find out about the North Korean concentration camps the more difficult it becomes to brush it aside.

Re:Bad Neighbors (4, Insightful)

cavreader (1903280) | about 7 months ago | (#46673189)

Outside of a full military invasion there is not much China can do about NK. The NK hissy fits and temper tantrums hurt China more than they do the US. Do you think China wanted to see the US and it's Asian allies beefing up their missile defense systems? That's exactly what they got when NK was spouting all the BS about launching nuclear attacks against the US and anyone else who happened to be in range.

Re:Bad Neighbors (1)

mysidia (191772) | about 7 months ago | (#46669343)

which can happen if someone thinks that you've said or done something that the leader clique doesn't like.

Or if someone thinks a member of your family, or one of your well-known friends or neighbors said or did something the leader clique didn't like?

Better be part of the leader clique, or leave.....

Re:Bad Neighbors (1)

Rigel47 (2991727) | about 7 months ago | (#46669685)

Indeed arguing the higher moral ground can be difficult when you're an American but I can't help but feel China has blood on its hands by essentially supporting the North Korean regime. I can understand that they don't want a democratic Korean peninsula but what that fat little piglet Kim Jung does to his people is nothing short of an atrocity on the scale of the Holocaust.

Re:Bad Neighbors (1)

murdocj (543661) | about 6 months ago | (#46673541)

Indeed arguing the higher moral ground can be difficult when you're an American ...

Not really

Re:Bad Neighbors (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46670511)

Living near North Korea is like living next door to a crazy man who walks outside and blasts away with a semi-auto rifle occasionally. Not aiming at you but just blazing away randomly while jibbering madly.

Yes, but it beats living inside North Korea.

Isn't that kind of a truism? The crazy guy next door, when not shooting at gopher holes, is always doing horrible things with children's dolls and--gulp--small animals inside.

Why yes, I have had this neighborly experience.

Re:Bad Neighbors (-1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about 7 months ago | (#46671401)

First of all, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a left-wing regime, not a totalitarian regime, so let's just set that straight right off.

Second, DPRK doesn't listen to China. Their officials have been down for talks, which basically amounted to "Dude, you totally have to ditch the whole Marxism thing, it's bullshit and doesn't work. Do the free market thing! Seriously, you'll get filthy rich! We all did, come on and follow us!"

The DPRK was not into that at all. They'll keep their left-wing government, thankyouverymuch. They prefer self-destruction to abandoning their beliefs. One should admire such dedication - this is what has kept Cuba the success story it's been since 1959.

Re:Bad Neighbors (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46671709)

Smoking weed or something right? DPRK may have began as a left-wing movement but now it is a totalitarian-nepotistic regime and has nothing to do with socialism and the beliefs and teachings of the likes of Marx or Lenin.

Re:Bad Neighbors (1)

superwiz (655733) | about 7 months ago | (#46672639)

DPRK may have began as a left-wing movement but now it is a totalitarian-nepotistic regime and has nothing to do with socialism and the beliefs and teachings of the likes of Marx or Lenin.

All leftist ideologies have always resulted in totalitarian dictatorships. It's not incompatible. Dictatorship is the only logical conclusion of any leftist philosophy.

Re:Bad Neighbors (1)

careysub (976506) | about 7 months ago | (#46673173)

All leftist ideologies have always resulted in totalitarian dictatorships. It's not incompatible. Dictatorship is the only logical conclusion of any leftist philosophy.

And yet that socialist hell-hole of the entire OECD (outside of the U.S.) has no totalitarian dictatorships.

Re:Bad Neighbors (1)

superwiz (655733) | about 7 months ago | (#46673347)

And which member of OECD has a fully socialist (rather than mixed) economy?

Re:Bad Neighbors (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46673503)

superwiz, You said:

All leftist ideologies have always resulted in totalitarian dictatorships. It's not incompatible. Dictatorship is the only logical conclusion of any leftist philosophy.

careywiz responds:

And yet that socialist hell-hole of the entire OECD (outside of the U.S.) has no totalitarian dictatorships.

And then you said:

And which member of OECD has a fully socialist (rather than mixed) economy?

Did you forget that YOU were the one that said "all leftist ideologies have always resulted in totalitarian dictatorships."?
Careysub provide a counter example to your statement to show that your statement was false.
Keep in mind that it was you who used the words "all" and "always".

Or, are you going to go "no true scotsman" on us and claim that the OECD has no leftist idelogies because they're not "fully socialist"?

As for "and which member ..." It's not up to us to prove your assertion for you.

Re:Bad Neighbors (0)

rasmusbr (2186518) | about 7 months ago | (#46672195)

North Korea's system is a far-left totalitarian system in the same vein as Stalin's Soviet Union. The term 'totalitarian' refers to the scope of government and there is no direct connection to the left/right axis.

A totalitarian regime operates under the assumption that it has the right to decide, rule and enforce over anything it pleases, right down to the thoughts you think when you're all alone in your home. If there was a reliable implant that could detect anti-government sentiment in a person's thoughts the North Korean government could easily decide to implant it in every child at birth.

Re:Bad Neighbors (2)

ultranova (717540) | about 7 months ago | (#46672395)

If there was a reliable implant that could detect anti-government sentiment in a person's thoughts the North Korean government could easily decide to implant it in every child at birth.

Would Kim be stupid enough to do so, though? Dictators don't stay in power with brute force; they don't have magical powers capable of subduing millions of ordinary people. They stay in power because people think it's safer to not do anything than to resist. Put a thought-reading implant in them, and they no longer have a choice: any dissident thought means they've been cornered and must fight or die.

The more you tighten your fist, the more star systems slip through your fingers - because it makes participating in the lie, the masquerade of benevolence, costlier. And North Korea has nothing but the lie. A country that turns its army against its own people has already fallen, because you can't win a war against the same people who supply that army. It's just a question of how long the insane situation goes on before the inevitable collapse.

Of course, this might make Kim desperate enough to instigate a war against some neighbour simply because he has no other hope of staying in power than a distraction. While that would of course result in North Korea being turned into rubble, I think its rulers have proven beyond reasonable doubt to not give a tiniest bit of a shit about that.

Re:Bad Neighbors (1)

cavreader (1903280) | about 7 months ago | (#46673271)

The NK government stays in power because of the severe isolation that it keeps it's citizens in. 65 years of non-stop government repression coupled with brutal penal laws for any dissent has produced a docile, compliant, and non-questioning public that literally knows nothing about the outside world and how there lives measure up when compared to others around the world. There will never be any citizen led protests against the NK government.

Re:Bad Neighbors (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46672641)

What he said: The term 'totalitarian' refers to the scope of government and there is no direct connection to the left/right axis.

You can have far-right and far-left totalitarian governments, but those labels cannot be applied to the DPRK.

For example, the left the party of multi-culturalism, a concept that is anathema in North Korea.
On the other hand, the right is the party that is most concerned with the protection of individual property rights, a concept that doesn't even exist in North Korea.

If I had to put a label in North Korea's government, I would call it an "absolute monarchy".

Re:Bad Neighbors (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about 6 months ago | (#46676893)

Isn't it funny how left-wing regimes get excuses? The moment they begin abusing their people, they're magically no longer left-wing. Strange, eh? It's a remarkably reproducible result. It's almost as if people want to make excuses for tyranny in order to not discredit left-wing thought...the same thought that inevitably leads to tyranny wherever it is tried.

Re:Bad Neighbors (1)

rasmusbr (2186518) | about 6 months ago | (#46678185)

Well, the American left has been remarkably non-violent and anti-authoritarian throughout history, so I guess it could be an artifact of that.

Re:Bad Neighbors (2)

argStyopa (232550) | about 7 months ago | (#46671405)

"Future historians will place tremendous blame on China's government ..."

Unless, as many suspect, they'll be writing in Chinese. Then perhaps the 'memory' of events will perhaps be slightly different.

Re:Bad Neighbors (1)

gtall (79522) | about 7 months ago | (#46672115)

Hmmm...you mean like the historians are now exposing the 20 million or so Mao offed because he caused a famine and tolerated the Cultural Revolution?

Re:Bad Neighbors (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46669255)

As long as we the US don't make the same mistake we made in WWII - stop Japan from taking over China and wiping out the Chinese.

Re:Bad Neighbors (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46669707)

Amen, Japan would have at least cultured the savages.

Re:Bad Neighbors (1)

timeOday (582209) | about 7 months ago | (#46670397)

Amen, Japan would have at least cultured the savages.

You seem to have read The Rape of Nanking backwards.

Re:Bad Neighbors (2)

spark89 (3569393) | about 7 months ago | (#46669327)

[quote]Living near North Korea is like living next door to a crazy man who walks outside and blasts away with a semi-auto rifle occasionally. Not aiming at you but just blazing away randomly while jibbering madly.[/quote] Welcome to Ukraine. It's about a month since we have been siege by russians

Re:Bad Neighbors (1)

amiga3D (567632) | about 7 months ago | (#46669957)

At least there is a method to Putin's madness.

Re:Bad Neighbors (2)

Hognoxious (631665) | about 7 months ago | (#46671373)

I don't see much method in riding a horse with no shirt on[1] while passing laws against homosexuals. Because if you've seen that picture, it's the second gayest thing ever.

[1] I don't mean that I normally expect horses to wear clothes.

Re:Bad Neighbors (1)

amiga3D (567632) | about 6 months ago | (#46673691)

I think he just thinks he's God's gift to women. If he was gay he'd be wearing nipple rings.

Re:Bad Neighbors (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46670357)

Japan was an ally of us in WWI.
Then, it turned on us by pearl harboring them to start of WWII.
They were punished justly with atom bombs but these treacherous people are still sore.
If we let them rearm,
They will pay us back with a nuclear pearl harbor

Re:Bad Neighbors (1)

Hamsterdan (815291) | about 7 months ago | (#46671177)

You know those bombs are the only ones ever used in war? US invaded Iraq under the false pretense of WMD (ironically, they're the only country that ever used those, Atomic, Napalm or others)

Re:Bad Neighbors (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46672173)

Are you forgetting the use of mustard gas in WW1? Last I checked poison gas was on the wmd list.

Re:Bad Neighbors (1)

Hamsterdan (815291) | about 7 months ago | (#46673147)

I'm pretty sure the death count wasn't nearly as high, but good point...

Re:Bad Neighbors (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | about 7 months ago | (#46671393)

Then, it turned on us by pearl harboring them to start of WWII.

I've got Poland on line 1, Belgium on line 2... something about you being a retarded fat cunt.

Re:Bad Neighbors (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 7 months ago | (#46670879)

Not really. I hate to say that NK is misunderstood, but it is. They don't do things due to being "crazy", they do things for the usual political reasons. The US and South Korea show off their military strength by having war games off NK's coast. The US labels a few countries part of an "axis of evil" and then invades two of them, with eyes on a third... NK feels the need for a "show of force", and launches some missiles. Note that the US launches missile tests on a regular basis too, which is why NK likes doing it - it is supposed to show they are a match for the US military.

What's more, this strategy has been very successful. SK and the US could crush them militarily, but not without massive losses. It's a bit like the old cold war MAD, except that while the US and SK won't be destroyed they are at least unwilling to pay the price.

Yes, NK does have a cult of personality. The people there understand that, they know their leader isn't really all that great. They say that stuff out of fear, not genuine belief. Don't for a moment think that the country is run my crazy people, they know exactly what they are doing and every move is carefully calculated.

Screw You (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46671219)

Well, yeah - screw you. If NK actually believes they are a match for Japan, South Korea, the US, BK - that is crazy.

If NK does decide to open the crazy box further and attack, once the troops start rolling in after the cities are bombed to ruble, these so called troops of NK will surrender as soon as they figure out they do not have to be forced to fight for a mad man.

Desertion - seen it before. Country getting leveled - seen it before. Multi-national invasion - seen it before.

NK is not living in reality. As like every mad man, they will eventually crack up and make a mistake that can not be recovered from. Then, hello from all of us. The real problem is after the invasion (call it what it is), what to do with a huge population of people not allowed to be educated. That will cause more damage to local economies than the war for much longer (E/W Germany integration).

But the next generations will not have to live like that and don't have to hear out that shit-stain of a country. They can read about it - the crazy regime that tortured its own people - fell. And when they read it, they will see it like all the others - like it makes sense to do away with those.

Re:Bad Neighbors (2)

amiga3D (567632) | about 7 months ago | (#46671361)

I believe his father actually had a plan. This new guy is not nearly as stable. His father was evil and cunning and he is evil and crazy. The US tests missiles too but not by flying them in the general direction of countries that they are currently having an angry dialog with. To threaten to bomb someone and then send a missile toward them is hardly the same as having a missile test or war game that has been scheduled for a year or more.

Re:Bad Neighbors (1)

ultranova (717540) | about 7 months ago | (#46672473)

Don't for a moment think that the country is run my crazy people, they know exactly what they are doing and every move is carefully calculated.

MAD was and is carefully calculated yet utterly insane. It's almost - as in a single person making the final call to not launch - resulted in a nuclear war at least twice now. Nazi regime carefully calculated its movements. So did Stalin.

Just because you are calculating doesn't mean you can't be crazy. And it especially doesn't mean you won't start wars you can't possibly win, for example by suddenly firing missiles at Tokyo.

Obligatory Sterling Archer Quote (4, Funny)

Old VMS Junkie (739626) | about 7 months ago | (#46669049)

"Relax. It's North Korea, the nation-state equivalent of the short bus."

momkind spiritual advances continue (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46669053)

little miss dna cannot be wrong http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=stem+cell+therapy rock on /. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC3FCS-NtAI

Japan wants to shoot down NK missiles every time (0)

Hentes (2461350) | about 7 months ago | (#46669063)

They haven't succeeded yet. It's a sign that Japanese missile defence is basically nonfunctional.

Re:Japan wants to shoot down NK missiles every tim (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46669151)

They haven't succeeded yet. It's a sign that Japanese missile defence is basically nonfunctional.

They haven't done it yet, it is a new policy that was just instated.

Re:Japan wants to shoot down NK missiles every tim (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46669335)

They haven't succeeded yet. It's a sign that Japanese missile defence is basically nonfunctional.

They haven't done it yet, it is a new policy that was just instated.

Yes, which implies two things. Either A) It is a new policy, and the capability was always there, or B) They just got their shitty defense systems working well enough to hit one.

Doubtful you'll find the truth.

Re:Japan wants to shoot down NK missiles every tim (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46669381)

Or we may find out pretty soon, twit.

Re:Japan wants to shoot down NK missiles every tim (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46669537)

Or we may find out pretty soon, twit.

And if the system works, you have no idea if it started working two days ago or two years ago, moron.

Re:Japan wants to shoot down NK missiles every tim (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46671701)

That's the same system as the US uses on it's own ships, and it has already been proven to work, at least in tests. I would assume the Japanese version is at least as capable as the American one was a few years ago.

Re:Japan wants to shoot down NK missiles every tim (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46672723)

Yes, which implies two things. Either A) It is a new policy, and the capability was always there, or B) They just got their shitty defense systems working well enough to hit one.

Doubtful you'll find the truth.

They're Aegis destroyers, so it isn't "B".
The answer is "A"

Re:Japan wants to shoot down NK missiles every tim (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46672943)

The 3rd is they think the 'new kind of nuke test' is going to be like the two the US did in Japan

Re:Japan wants to shoot down NK missiles every tim (2)

Kagetsuki (1620613) | about 6 months ago | (#46673685)

The policy has been to shoot down any missiles that had a trajectory indicating they could hit somewhere on land. Up until now no missile launch has really done that. There was one that came extremely close about last year and since then the discussion has been weather or not to start shooting them down reguardless of trajectory or broaden the "acceptable" limits and start shooting down missiles that look like they could come close.

The actual defense systems in place are some of the most advanced anti-missile defense systems available, save for perhaps Iron Dome in Israel.

Re:Japan wants to shoot down NK missiles every tim (1)

spark89 (3569393) | about 7 months ago | (#46669437)

They haven't succeeded yet.

I think that the main problem that are trying.

Re:Japan wants to shoot down NK missiles every tim (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46670009)

and you know this how? you're just making things up on the fly, with no real knowledge about what you're talking about. you contribute nothing to the conversation.

obligatory reference (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46669075)

"Jonathan wouldn't approve of killing, unless he had something to win out of it." -- Chrysanthi Lykousi (The Totem of Titan)

Sounds good! (5, Insightful)

Dan East (318230) | about 7 months ago | (#46669087)

If North Korea wants to provide Japan with some awesome real-world testing of missile defense systems, then so be it. The data to be gleaned from both successful and unsuccessful missile intercepts is invaluable, and Kim Jong-un is extremely ignorant to give his "enemies" such wonderful opportunities to fine tune their defenses against his small variety of missile assets.

Re:Sounds good! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46669169)

The data to be gleaned from both successful and unsuccessful missile intercepts is invaluable [..]

Except, of course, when one of those unsuccessful missile intercepts is a missile actually aimed at a populated area. In that case, invaluable data (read: life) will be lost.

Re:Sounds good! (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 7 months ago | (#46669227)

There's plenty of spare data of similar quality left. It's even decentralized around the globe, no need to create even more backups.

Re:Sounds good! (1)

kruach aum (1934852) | about 7 months ago | (#46669509)

Can you imagine the fucking shit storm if NK actually ever hit anything? Call me an optimist, but that would be a sight to see.

Re:Sounds good! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46669693)

If they ever do, it will probably by accident.

Re:Sounds good! (1)

AK Marc (707885) | about 6 months ago | (#46674013)

It'd be hard to not hit "something" if you managed a successful launch. Even if just an empty patch of sea.

Re:Sounds good! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46669935)

The data to be gleaned from both successful and unsuccessful missile intercepts is invaluable [..]

Except, of course, when one of those unsuccessful missile intercepts is a missile actually aimed at a populated area. In that case, invaluable data (read: life) will be lost.

Missiles pffft.
All NK has to do is fire a couple of artillery shells 20 miles south and that's it. Better if the shells are nuclear tipped.
All hell breaks loose.

Re:Sounds good! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46670339)

Except, of course, when one of those unsuccessful missile intercepts is a missile actually aimed at a populated area. In that case, invaluable data (read: life) will be lost.

Successful or unsuccessful. If North Korea were to actually attempt to hit a populated area with a missile the amount of dead will be insignificant compared to the amounts that will die when that nation retaliates.

Re:Sounds good! (1)

Rigel47 (2991727) | about 7 months ago | (#46669697)

It sounds like a harmless game of Duck Hunt but it's hard to say just how insane that erratic dog Kim Jong is when it comes to retaliations for any of his tin-can missiles being shot down. Japanese take down missile? Fire a single artillery round into Seol!

Re:Sounds good! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46671717)

Are you saying the Japanese should attack South Korea to retaliate for the North attacking them?

That sounds erratic to me.

Re:Sounds good! (1)

the biologist (1659443) | about 7 months ago | (#46672599)

No, he's saying that the North has been holding the South hostage to get what they want. They might threaten to bomb the South if Japan knocks down one of their 'peaceful test' missiles.

Re:Sounds good! (2)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 7 months ago | (#46670925)

I doubt he really cares. He doesn't want an outright war, he knows he would lose. He likes testing missiles because it's what the US also likes doing to show how powerful its military capabilities are. Japan has now decided to start shooting them down because the Prime Minister wants to ultimately get rid of the non-aggression clause in the constitution.

If anything this will just give NK an excuse to start shooting at US and SK missiles being fired as part of their regular war games off NK's coast. The stupid thing is that Japan's relations with NK have actually been improving in the last few years, in some key areas. The very long running issue of people kidnapped by NK has made a lot of progress, and there has been some more engagement with NK institutions (schools etc.) in Japan. Apparently Abe has other ideas though.

Re:Sounds good! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46671787)

Shooting down missiles being fired at you would hardly violate anyone's idea of non-aggression. Well, anyone that isn't really stupid.

Re:Sounds good! (1)

Citizen of Earth (569446) | about 7 months ago | (#46672139)

Firing missiles is North Korea's method of begging for hand-outs. It usually works.

Re:Sounds good! (1)

Mashiki (184564) | about 7 months ago | (#46672563)

I doubt he really cares. He doesn't want an outright war, he knows he would lose.

This is the thing about leaders of countries who "don't really care." They don't also care if they lose the war either, they also don't care about the people under them. They simply care about inflicting as much harm as possible against their enemies as they can even if everyone under them dies. This is why N.Korea has so much artillery pointed at Seoul. And in turn, this is why a country like Iran regularly spouts off on the "genocide" bit while perusing nuclear weapons.

But saying that Japan and N.Koreas relations have been improving, are like saying that the relations between Taiwan and China have been improving. If they're already at the bottom, there is no place to go but up. And the countries around N.Korea haven't forgotten the mass abductions from them where they'd sneak in and take scientists. Though their favorite was young girls and women. Preferably in the ages of 12-18 to use as concubines and sex slaves.

Re:Sounds good! (1)

Rich0 (548339) | about 6 months ago | (#46673611)

They don't also care if they lose the war either, they also don't care about the people under them.

Agree with the second bit, but disagree with the first. 99% of NK might live in the dark ages, but I'm sure Kim Jong-un lives a nicer life than most Americans.

This stuff is like the daily burn the US flag thing that other countries do. It is about getting people thinking about the big bad enemy over there so that they're not busy talking about the fact that they are risking their lives if they just watch some bootleg movies. It is also about making the rest of the world reluctant to do anything, since he can potentially cause a huge massacre in Seoul.

The only thing the guy cares about is himself no-doubt. The thing is that if he gets into a war, he can probably kill thousands of South Koreans that he ultimately cares little about, but that will come at the cost of his own life, which he cares a great deal about.

So, unless the guy really is off his rocker, he's going to keep talking big, but stop short of doing anything that would actually drive anybody to go to actual war.

May well be of the KongÅ class (1)

auric_dude (610172) | about 7 months ago | (#46669189)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] but which one? Anyone have anymore details?

Re:May well be of the KongÅ class (1)

shikaisi (1816846) | about 6 months ago | (#46674771)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] but which one? Anyone have anymore details?

North Korean Intelligence, is that you?

Throwing a hissy-fit (4, Insightful)

kheldan (1460303) | about 7 months ago | (#46669219)

Kim Jong Un is just throwing a temper-tantrum because Putin is getting all the attention right now, and how can North Korea be best Korea when it's not in the spotlight? Nothing worse in my opinion than a despotic dictator with little-dog-syndrome who is also a blatant attention whore. Meanwhile we got Putin trying to either re-form the Soviet Union, or trying to start World War III, or maybe both simultaneously. #FML.

Re:Throwing a hissy-fit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46670023)

do you really think about the world in this way? if so, i pity you...

Re:Throwing a hissy-fit (1)

kheldan (1460303) | about 7 months ago | (#46673195)

Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. Words to live by; I suggest you embrace that. Sticking your head in the sand (when you're not wearing your rose-colored glasses) doesn't accomplish anything other than allowing Bad People to accomplish Bad Things.

Re:Throwing a hissy-fit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46670051)

Hell yeah! WWIII was started from a global popularity contest, American high school style.
--
Written from the Future Gate(r)@2152

Re:Throwing a hissy-fit (1)

dunkelfalke (91624) | about 7 months ago | (#46671871)

Why do you think that Putin tries to start anything? That bloodless coup in Crimea has achieved several goals at the same time, there is no need to do anything else.

Now there is no need to sell gas at discount prices in exchange for the military bases on Crimea, and, since NATO won't take members with unresolved territorial differences, there is some added security due to that. The move also secured popularity for Putin since Crimea never was seen as belonging to Ukraine by Russians.

And now it also does not matter what temper-tantrum Ukraine throws (as they did continuously since 1991) because now it is EU's problem, not Russia's. I, for one, am not happy at all about this wannabe-EU-member. Ukraine is a failed state and Ukrainians never have bothered to do anything about it. And no, Maidan doesn't count, neither now, nor in 1990, in 2000, in 2004 or 2010. It was just mob rule, nothing constructive has come out of it.

Japan is getting back in the war business (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46669231)

America has been prompting them to get back into the war industry so America can sell them bombs and fighter jets and things, also to help their economy. Sure, it will be bad for the people who die but it will be good for the Japanese GDP which has been stagnant for over a decade now.

Re:Japan is getting back in the war business (4, Informative)

Virtucon (127420) | about 7 months ago | (#46669347)

Uh, hate to break this to you but the US has been selling arms to Japan for decades as part of the 1951 Mutual Cooperation and Security Treaty between the US and Japan. [wikipedia.org]

I think you're referring to the recent change in Japanese policy change that will allow Japanese weapons manufacturers to export weapons. While I'm not a fan of weapons sales it is a business that can't be outlawed unilaterally because even if nations would agree to ban weapons exports and sales to other nations, there will be still nations like North Korea or Cuba [bbc.com] who have a vested interest in selling their own weapons in violation of sanctions imposed by the UN. [reuters.com] If your neighbor next door is ramping up their military in what you believe is going to negatively impact your nation, then you'll look to buy weapons yourself. If you can't buy them through normal channels, you'll buy them from illegal channels and that's where the North Koreans and Cubans come into play. Even the Ukraine [economist.com] has been caught pushing weapons into Africa for example.

Re:Japan is getting back in the war business (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46669663)

Yeah, but I mean when you have helicopters getting shot down and bombs getting fired off you have to buy replacements so having Japan involved in a war with North Korea could be a real win-win for Japanese capital and American industry, as long as no nuclear radiation makes it to Silicon Valley.

Re:Japan is getting back in the war business (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46669843)

You are truly clueless. Please shut up and stop contaminating the Internet with your stupidity; it's already a sewer of idiocy.

Re:Japan is getting back in the war business (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46671013)

If you think the US hasn't been pressuring Japan to become more active militarily then it is YOU who is clueless.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/04/world/asia/japan-and-us-agree-to-broaden-military-alliance.html

right (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46669315)

Japanese Aegis destroyers in the Sea of Japan are equipped with advanced radar equipment able to track multiple targets and carry missiles designed to take out targets at the edge of space."

but cannot track a 777 over the ocean

Re:right (1)

khallow (566160) | about 7 months ago | (#46669353)

but cannot track a 777 over the ocean

I guess you had to be there.

Re:right (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 7 months ago | (#46669459)

The alternative scenario, had they been there: "Uh...you said 'track the airplane'? I thought you were saying 'wreck the airplane'!"

Re:right (1)

cheesybagel (670288) | about 7 months ago | (#46670269)

If you are talking about MH370 that was flying in the South China sea between Malaysia and Beijing. I doubt the Chinese allow Japanese Navy vessels in there.

Re:right (1)

Rich0 (548339) | about 6 months ago | (#46673627)

More like the Gulf of Thailand, but either way most of it is international waters. There is the whole Spratly Island thing, but that isn't near where MH370 lost contact, and everybody and their uncle is sailing through there just to try to assert their claims.

Re:right (1)

Tablizer (95088) | about 7 months ago | (#46671351)

but cannot track a 777 over the ocean

Shows the advantage of cruise missiles

Tis the season to say (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46669369)

BATTER UP!

Re:Tis the season to say (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46669457)

Biff: "BATTER UP!" [youtube.com]

circumvent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46669501)

beta or not:
how to do missile testing even if the democratic plebs
decided to be pacifists?
call some "evil" guy in north korea: "Dude, launch some firework!"

What Japan should do (2)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about 7 months ago | (#46670081)

Just send a dozen mechas to North Korea.

Re:What Japan should do (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46678713)

Wouldn't it be better to just have Godzilla attack Pyongyang?

Not quite as the poster describes (1)

Joe Branya (777172) | about 7 months ago | (#46670579)

The Japanese did not say what the poster described. They simply said if a missile is aimed at or over Japan they reserve the right to shoot it down. They have posted a destroyer in the sea between Japan and North Korea for the purpose. The Reuters article actually says "a destroyer was dispatched to the Sea of Japan and will fire if North Korea launches a missile that Tokyo deems in danger of striking or falling on Japanese territory, the source said."

 

Re:Not quite as the poster describes (1)

Rich0 (548339) | about 6 months ago | (#46673635)

Not exactly controversial, though the thing about missile defense is that you usually have to engage them when they're well out over international waters if you want to prevent them from hitting you. So, there is a certain element of aggressiveness as you're attacking something that has not yet violated your territory.

I'm not sure where the boost phase of these things ends either. During the boost phase itself you can only tell what general direction it is going in - if fired over your nation then the ballistic trajectory will at first fall short, then fall on your territory, and then overshoot your territory. You don't know where it will fall until the boost is over. Of course, you can always just fire on it as soon as it is likely to come close or overfly - if it never gets enough energy there is no risk of it hitting you.

Japan have really bad security (3, Interesting)

devent (1627873) | about 7 months ago | (#46670737)

Onodera has avoided publicly announcing the new missile-intercept order so as not to put a chill on those talks, Japanese media said.

[about the order] the source told Reuters on condition of anonymity.

Thank you very much anonymous source for betraying your country and make peace negations more difficult with an insane regime, that threatened many times a war against South Korea and to nuke Soul.

Re:Japan have really bad security (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46671585)

nuke Soul.

See this: [Pushes lower lip out with tongue. Flexes wrists. Moves forearms horizontally in front of chest].

That's you, that is.

Re:Japan have really bad security (1)

devent (1627873) | about 6 months ago | (#46673559)

Hehe sorry, I mean Seoul.

Sigh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46673537)

You have a kid with a inferiority complex who just doesn't know it yet who thinks he's entitled to rule the world because he's god. Why in the fuck did we ever let them build nukes? I'm not scared of them because they have no reliable delivery system, but still wtf? We could have ended this a long time ago with a couple targeted strikes. Why don't we? It's not like we care about getting involved in other nations business cough, Iraq, should have been Afghanistan, Saddam Insane had nothing to do with it, but he did have lots and lots of oil. If North Korea had plenty of that or another resource we want this would have been over a long ass time ago. Don't tell me it cannot be done because we can shove a missile up his ass give or take about 10 feet and destroy any bumbled launch on their part before they reach 500 feet.

Who suffers? Not the leaders, they're living the high life and the population pays for it because they're worthless lab rats forced to obey, actually I doubt that twisted fucker even thinks that highly of them.

Damn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46674465)

That "Sea of Japan" is being called "East Sea" by Chinese and Koreans for a very long time every since. Very foolish of westerners to have named it "Sea of Japan" without any reason (other than they were obsessed with Japan?) It is an east sea by many of countries around the sea!

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