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To Reduce the Health Risk of Barbecuing Meat, Just Add Beer

timothy posted about 6 months ago | from the honey-this-is-my-medicine dept.

Beer 179

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) writes "Grilling meat gives it great flavour. This taste, though, comes at a price, since the process creates molecules called polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) which damage DNA and thus increase the eater's chances of developing colon cancer. But a group of researchers led by Isabel Ferreira of the University of Porto, in Portugal, think they have found a way around the problem. When barbecuing meat, they suggest, you should add beer. The PAHs created by grilling form from molecules called free radicals which, in turn, form from fat and protein in the intense heat of this type of cooking. One way of stopping PAH-formation, then, might be to apply chemicals called antioxidants that mop up free radicals. And beer is rich in these, in the shape of melanoidins, which form when barley is roasted." (The paper on which this report is based, sadly paywalled.)

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Marinade, add beer to the marinade (5, Insightful)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 6 months ago | (#46676181)

Whoever posted this summary really should have added that. There are other places where one might consider adding beer that would be less effective. You don't have to get past the paywall to find that.

Re:Marinade, add beer to the marinade (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46676203)

Whoever posted this summary has the mental capacity of an 8 year old, and seriously, timothy is no better for posting an article based on a paywalled source.

Re:Marinade, add beer to the marinade (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46676487)

Give him a break. Someone had to finish the keg after making the marinade.

Re:Marinade, add beer to the marinade (1)

sconeu (64226) | about 6 months ago | (#46676841)

Maybe he just had too much beer?

The most effective place to add beer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46676255)

My beer belly ;D

Bunk! (1)

p51d007 (656414) | about 6 months ago | (#46676275)

Oh no! We're all gonna die if we eat BBQ'd meat. As with anything like this, the worry warts will probably buy into it. Remember when they said: Saccharin, DDT, and the zillion of other things that are suppose to be bad for you? Heck, there was even a guy who ate DDT, didn't bother him, but now we have Malaria running wild all over the place.

Re:Bunk! (2)

MightyYar (622222) | about 6 months ago | (#46676559)

I agree - DDT is just awful unless sweetened with a little saccharin.

Re:Bunk! (5, Interesting)

Mr Foobar (11230) | about 6 months ago | (#46676693)

Oh no! We're all gonna die if we eat BBQ'd meat.
As with anything like this, the worry warts will probably buy into it.
Remember when they said: Saccharin, DDT, and the zillion of other things that are suppose to be bad for you?

My mother grew up in the deep back woods of east Texas during the 30's. A very big part of her diet growing up was various forms of smoked, dried, and grilled meat. A *lot* of such meat, often that was about all her diet was in a day, either by itself or was the main flavoring component. Many members of her family, both close and extended including herself and both her parents developed and died from colon and intestinal cancers. Her younger brother is suffering from it now. Many of the people who lived around her did, too. The thing is, once her family got out of that situation (improved economy, moving to the big city, etc) and ate a much more varied diet that didn't depend on smoked meat, the amount of familial colon and intestinal cancer has dropped down to almost nothing. That's good news for me and my siblings, of course. Dying from colon cancer is not my favored way of death, to be honest. It was a rough way to see my mom go.

anecdotal (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46677949)

glad your not dying

Re:Bunk! (-1, Troll)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about 6 months ago | (#46678089)

Correlation does not equal causation. Repeat this until you understand it. Darwin weeps to see science misused in this way - although as a Texan, you dumbasses have never understood science anyway.

Re:Bunk! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46676937)

Heck, there was even a guy who ate DDT, didn't bother him

Except the part where he died.

Re:Bunk! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46676995)

It is not the researcher's fault that typical media coverage of research pigeon holes things as either "bad" or "good.' It isn't even just the media's fault, because when they do give more detail, people will only remember that something is just bad or good. But yes, in the real world there is different scales of bad, and there can be things that are both bad in good in different ways, by different amounts, meaning it is difficult to label a lot of things as "bad for you" with out taking into account some sense of scale, dosage, and what other things you eat/take/do.

Re:Bunk! (3, Informative)

belmolis (702863) | about 6 months ago | (#46677791)

According to my physician father, the first proven case of an environmental cause for cancer was that of smoked meat and fish in Iceland causing colon cancer. This is a long established relationship, not a recent fad.

DDT eating (1)

Optali (809880) | about 6 months ago | (#46678253)

Indeed. I had a neighbour who gupled down a bottle of DDT. That's why I refer to him using the past tense.
Don't you agree that a stuff that's meant to kill bugs should be a poison? At least taht's what Captain Obvious told me the last time I saw him ;)

or maybe we could use butter and marmelade to kill plagues. You are the expert, maybe you can convinve Monsanto ;)

Re:Marinade, add beer to the marinade (2)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46676879)

This so much. I'm not even much of a beer lover to be honest, but it makes a great marinade for meats, especially beef. (colas as well, oddly enough. )
Just as long as it isn't too much, that is. Even too much of antioxidants are bad. Oxidation is an important part in the immune system as well.

And it isn't even that that is the problem. The larger problem is production of carcinogenic material from burning overall.
Pre-cooking food at low heat for a period before slapping it on the grill can cut down the time needed to cook it as well as limit how much burnt material is produced.
If you are out and about while doing said grilling, putting the meat inside foil first works for the low-temperature pre-cooking, or even putting it in a plastic bag and putting it in boiling water. (good with potatoes as well)
Plus, doing it this way produces some real tasty food too.

"not much of a beer lover" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46676999)

That's because you drink cheap crap beer.

Re:Marinade, add beer to the marinade (4, Insightful)

pla (258480) | about 6 months ago | (#46677125)

Pre-cooking food at low heat for a period before slapping it on the grill can cut down the time needed to cook it as well as limit how much burnt material is produced.

Except, by doing that, you've ruined the whole reason we barbecue things - Because we want that thin outer layer of charring.

Yes, we have plenty of ways to cook foods without forming PAH, acrylamide, or the other carcinogens-of-the-week. We could boil everything. We could microwave everything. We could bake everything on low heat while basting to keep the surface moist. Those will all pretty much prevent the formation of all the nasty chemicals we worry about in our barbecued foods. They all take less effort than barbecuing, too - A typical cookout basically requires someone manning the grill continuously to cook up a steady flow of burgers and hotdogs; vs throwing 10 lbs of dogs in a big boiling pot and having enough cooked to feed a small army in under ten minutes.

We grill things over open flame because all those nasty carcinogens make it taste better. Simple as that.

Re:Marinade, add beer to the marinade (4, Funny)

HornWumpus (783565) | about 6 months ago | (#46677803)

Boiling food. aka English BBQ.

Keep away from my grill (4, Informative)

jfanning (35979) | about 6 months ago | (#46678357)

By cooking over a low heat first you ensure that the meat is cooked evenly throughout, and then you sear the outside over a very hot grill. Otherwise you end up with raw inside and black outside. By searing last you get the flavour and evenly cooked meat.

Re:Marinade, add beer to the marinade (5, Interesting)

AthanasiusKircher (1333179) | about 6 months ago | (#46678703)

Pre-cooking food at low heat for a period before slapping it on the grill can cut down the time needed to cook it as well as limit how much burnt material is produced.

Except, by doing that, you've ruined the whole reason we barbecue things - Because we want that thin outer layer of charring.

No, you don't. Not actual charring. Are you the kind of guy who likes his hot dog completely covered with a crust of black ash? I know a few people like that, but if so, you guys are in the minority. Most people want a well-browned piece of meat, which is mostly produced through flavorful byproducts of the Maillard reaction and caramelization. If your food is actually charred, you've gone beyond that and destroyed those flavorful compounds, instead producing bitter compounds with a bad texture.

Yes, we have plenty of ways to cook foods without forming PAH, acrylamide, or the other carcinogens-of-the-week.

Yeah, by not burning your food. The GP's advice is spot-on to produce the absolute ideal of "grilled food" for the vast majority of people. If you want the tastiest, juciest steak you've ever had in your life, I dare you to take his advice. Put it in an extremely low oven (well below 200F, 150F or below is ideal) until the interior temp rises to somewhere around 100F or a little above. (With an oven temp of 130-150F, this could take a few hours for a thick piece of meat.)

Then throw it on your hot grill until you get a beautiful browned flavorful exterior. Don't let it burn -- cooking time will probably only be 1/4 or so of what you'd usually need. Let it rest for a few minutes, and eat a steak like you've never tasted before.

No need to BURN your food just to get the interior up to temperature. Get the whole piece of meat warmish to begin with, and then use the grill to BROWN your food and maximize flavor compounds. I know this is an extra step and takes longer than simply cooking at high heat, but the result is actually better tasting food, in addition to fewer carcinogens.

We grill things over open flame because all those nasty carcinogens make it taste better. Simple as that.

No, they don't. They tend to form at the greatest rate when you're overcooking the outer layer and destroying flavor compounds. GP's advice is just an extension of the "let your steak come to room temperature before grilling" advice, which most grilling afficionados will agree is helpful to get a more evenly done piece of meat with less fuss and less chance of overcooking or burning.

I'm NOT saying that you can't cook reasonably good food on the grill without doing what GP recommends -- but I AM saying that taking his advice (and doing a little extra work) is a way to maximize the exact grill flavors that most people prize, while also avoiding burnt layers of food that taste like sawdust.

(If you don't believe me, you should know that these are precisely the kinds of methods that many high-end steakhouses use -- with only a short grill time, but a longer time in the oven either before or after grilling to bring the interior up to temperature.)

Re:Marinade, add beer to the marinade (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46676903)

Instructions unclear: Fell in the pool, threw up, then told my mother-in-law that based on her daughters' prowess in bed I'd gladly give her a go.

Stupid (4, Informative)

WilyCoder (736280) | about 6 months ago | (#46676201)

What a stupid article. Beer is hardly the best source of antioxidants. Blueberries would be a far better choice.

"Eat antioxidants to prevent cancer" ....well thank you captain obvious, we have known this for many years!

Re:Stupid (5, Insightful)

dreamchaser (49529) | about 6 months ago | (#46676267)

What a stupid article. Beer is hardly the best source of antioxidants. Blueberries would be a far better choice.

"Eat antioxidants to prevent cancer" ....well thank you captain obvious, we have known this for many years!

Except beer makes an excellent marinade for meats and can be incorporated into BBQ sauce as well.

Re:Stupid (4, Informative)

Shinobi (19308) | about 6 months ago | (#46676281)

However, recent discoveries point out that it's not as clearcut as that. In fact, antioxidants can also increase the chance of cancer developing or even increasing cancer growth, by preventing formation of ROS, which disrupts signalling.

Antioxidants have already been linked to cancelling out the effects of excercise for the same reason, the antioxidants suppressing the ROS, which screws up the signalling.

Re:Stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46677235)

You have no idea what ROS is, do you? Reactive oxygen species have nothing to do with cellular signalling.

Re:Stupid (2)

drainbramage (588291) | about 6 months ago | (#46678007)

I think he was referring to the Robot Operating System.

Re:Stupid (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46676283)

Hmmm... "Blueberry Steak" doesn't have a good ring to it though...

Re:Stupid (1)

Shinobi (19308) | about 6 months ago | (#46676329)

Actually, using blueberries for marinades/sauces to go with beef, deer or elk/moose is uncommon.

Re:Stupid (2)

Shinobi (19308) | about 6 months ago | (#46676721)

Oops, that was supposed to be "NOT uncommon"

Winos (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46676313)

Skip the beer...use blueberry wine! [ufl.edu] .

Re:Stupid (1)

MightyYar (622222) | about 6 months ago | (#46676565)

Blueberry-marinaded steak? Um, OK.

Re:Stupid (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46676585)

Therefore blueberry beer is the most obviously brilliant solution.

Re:Stupid (2)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | about 6 months ago | (#46676715)

Kunstmann from Valdivia, Chile do a tasty blueberry beer.

Go world. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46677027)

Pick any two semi-random, wildly incompatible foods/ingredients in an effect to create a ridiculous nonsense combination and someone will have always done it before, and loved it.

"Herher, that' makes as much sense as chilli icecream..."
-"zOMFG, I LOVE chilli icecream!"

"G'day, can I get a grilled cheese sandwich?"
"Oh an Aussie hey, well why don't I just make you a grilled cheese and vegemite sandwich!?"
-"OMWTFG, that'd be awesome, I grew up on those!"

Re:Stupid (5, Insightful)

ShanghaiBill (739463) | about 6 months ago | (#46676653)

"Eat antioxidants to prevent cancer" ....well thank you captain obvious, we have known this for many years!

Except we do not "know" that. The link between anti-oxidants and cancer is not clear. Eating fruits and vegetables (high in anti-oxidants) is correlated with lower cancer rates. But if the anti-oxidants are isolated and taken as supplements, they are NOT correlated with cancer reduction, and in some cases make it worse. So maybe it is something else in the fruits and vegetables that is beneficial. Exercise is also correlated with cancer reduction, and exercise causes an increase in the supposedly harmful free radicals that anti-oxidants suppress. The interplay of these factors is complicated and poorly understood. So it is not at all clear that anti-oxidants "prevent cancer".

Re:Stupid (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46676993)

The bacteria in your colon are what is triggering or preventing the triggering of many cancers. That is the main reason why eating fruit is NOT the same as drinking juice or supplements. The bacteria in your colon form an extremely complex web of interaction with your body. Healthy gut bacteria protect you from all sorts of food borne illnesses, like salmonella and even colon cancer. Never mind c. diff. and recent links to autism when population is disrupted or altered via oral antibiotics.

colon cancer,
http://www.sciencedaily.com/re... [sciencedaily.com]

salmonella,
http://www.sciencedaily.com/re... [sciencedaily.com]

autism,
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners... [abc.net.au]

It's not just a "sack of shit". It's the most important part of you and there is no "pill for it".

Re:Stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46677789)

Yeah... except nobody is going to smother their steak in blueberries, and they already do the beer thing sometimes. Way to never have been to a BBQ?

Fuck this (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46676211)

What a waste of good beer! Fucking cunts!

Re:Fuck this (5, Insightful)

MightyYar (622222) | about 6 months ago | (#46676577)

Don't use the good beer. Use the Miller Light that's been sitting in your fridge since someone brought it over months ago.

Re:Fuck this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46676761)

That's right, and you don't have to use good weed to make hash...

Re:Fuck this (1)

MightyYar (622222) | about 6 months ago | (#46677389)

I'm afraid that I'm not enough of a stoner to know whether you are being sarcastic or not. But Miller Light is not "bad" as in low-quality, it just doesn't have a whole lot of flavor and so goes unused. SAB knows how to brew and their products are very high-quality and consistent.

Re:Fuck this (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | about 6 months ago | (#46677839)

They are consistent and what their customers want, they remain piss.

Re:Fuck this (1)

findoutmoretoday (1475299) | about 6 months ago | (#46678081)

Those people are from Porto, they just ask to not waste port wine for the marinades.

Confusion (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46676279)

What kind of imbecile conflates grilling and barbecue?

Re:Confusion (3, Insightful)

magusxxx (751600) | about 6 months ago | (#46676575)

Must be a northerner.

From what to what? (2, Insightful)

Maury Markowitz (452832) | about 6 months ago | (#46676285)

"polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) which damage DNA and thus increase the eater's chances of developing colon cancer"

Pretty rare to start with, so I suspect it's from "one in a million" to "1.5 in a million".

We have actual things to worry about, grilling isn't one of them.

Re:From what to what? (1)

TheCreeep (794716) | about 6 months ago | (#46676545)

Don't you mean 0.5 in a million?

Re:From what to what? (3, Funny)

khallow (566160) | about 6 months ago | (#46676765)

And perhaps you shouldn't be grilling your colon on the barbeque anyway for other reasons than PAH exposure.

Re:From what to what? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46676857)

Colon cancer is the second or third most common cancer in the world (depending if you are talking about women or men), and tends to be even higher in modern, western countries with a ~60% 5 year survival rate. While you see what looks like low probabilities of ~50 per 100,000 diagnosed per year in the US, this works out to about a couple percent chance any given person will be diagnosed with colon cancer at some point in their life. That isn't anywhere near a one in a million chance and colon cancer is actually one of the "things to worry about."

I guess you don't know... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46676293)

but in Europe people have been BBQ with Beer for decades. It's a default style of BBQ when you don't have any special marinades or sauces.

It just took them this long to run a scientific study about it (I guess someone finally asked the question WHY).

Point being, everyone always disses folklore/common sense, and even though people did not know why they were basting with Beer, now we all know.

If you want to drink the Beer instead, that's your prerogative, but I say, bring enough for both drinking and basting. :)

Can I just drink it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46676317)

Do I have to souse the meat in beer, or can I just drink it with my BBQ meat?

Re:Can I just drink it? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46676399)

Step 1: souse self in beer

Step 2: barbecue meat

Step 3: enjoy!

Better answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46676603)

Step 1: "Souse" yourself in beer
Step 2: Light the BBQ and hop in
Step 3: ??????
Step 4: Profit!

Re:Can I just drink it? (1)

olsmeister (1488789) | about 6 months ago | (#46676457)

Yes.

Re:Can I just drink it? (2)

jez9999 (618189) | about 6 months ago | (#46676571)

No, but you can pump it up your colon with a garden hose...

Re:Can I just drink it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46677061)

Now you're just flirting.

Re:Can I just drink it? (1)

mrbester (200927) | about 6 months ago | (#46677561)

You *douse* the meat with beer should it catch fire. If it doesn't then you souse yourself with it instead.

Needs empirical evidence (1)

ark1 (873448) | about 6 months ago | (#46676433)

I volunteer to be the subject.

Re:Needs empirical evidence (1)

FatLittleMonkey (1341387) | about 6 months ago | (#46677067)

What if you end up in the control group?

May? (0)

js3 (319268) | about 6 months ago | (#46676467)

The thing I hate most about science is the "guessing game". You either know, or you do not. Stop giving advice based on guesses.

Drinking Beer (1)

CopterHawk (981545) | about 6 months ago | (#46676483)

Can drinking beer the same time as eating these foods have any effect? I already do that.

Fad theories of health nuts (3, Interesting)

rubycodez (864176) | about 6 months ago | (#46676485)

plenty of hard clinical studies showing no link whatsoever between free radicals and cancer (or other claimed bad effects like aging).

the 1970s called, they want their junk science back.

Re:Fad theories of health nuts (0)

magusxxx (751600) | about 6 months ago | (#46676623)

Oh yes, let's concentrate on the food preparation and not the food itself. Could it be the preservatives added to the meat interact with the grilling process? Or maybe it's just the preservatives themselves? I smell grant money!

Re:Fad theories of health nuts (1)

odie5533 (989896) | about 6 months ago | (#46678429)

What fresh meat has preservatives in it?

Re:Fad theories of health nuts (1)

nanocarbon (3596931) | about 6 months ago | (#46677341)

plenty of hard clinical studies showing no link whatsoever between free radicals and cancer

Whoa, whoa, slow down there. Free radicals, usually reactive oxygen species, are some of the most reactive molecules known. They can and will destroy any organic material they come across. Especially [washington.edu] DNA [nih.gov] . Lengthy PDF and a paywall, but hey, its far more studies than you actually cited.

(opinion starts) That said, I'm not going to argue that antioxidants actually will have some significant effect against aging. You can't just flood your body with enough antioxidants to really slow down aging, without causing other harm, such as compromising your immune system.(opinion ends)

Re:Fad theories of health nuts (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46677841)

You referenced 0 clinical studies or areas of study.

What if you don't like beer? (1)

mark-t (151149) | about 6 months ago | (#46676493)

Apologies if asking sounds like blasphemy, but it's still an honest question.

Re:What if you don't like beer? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46676549)

Apologies if asking sounds like blasphemy, but it's still an honest question.

Surely, you'd accept death gratefully

Re:What if you don't like beer? (1)

MightyYar (622222) | about 6 months ago | (#46676593)

There is an incredible variety of beer - it's just fermented grain flavored with anything you like. They can be bitter, sweet, or just about any other flavor - some companies even flavor them with massive amounts of sugar and flavorings like a soda... It is hard to believe that you don't like any of them.

Re:What if you don't like beer? (1)

mark-t (151149) | about 6 months ago | (#46676987)

I've tried quite a few.... never found one that I liked. Not saying that none could ever possibly exist that I'd find palatable, but I imagine that any that do are probably really exotic and cost an impractical amount to use for something like marinade.

Re:What if you don't like beer? (1)

MightyYar (622222) | about 6 months ago | (#46677383)

My wife hates beer, but she loves those sweet malt beverages. I do brats on the grill that were first boiled in beer and I add beer to chile and stews and she never complains (or notices, for that matter).

Re:What if you don't like beer? (1)

mark-t (151149) | about 6 months ago | (#46677399)

My situation is the opposite... I don't like beer, but my wife does. Conversely, however, she dislikes the taste that beer gives to something when it is used as marinade... she'd rather just eat the meat and drink the beer.

Re:What if you don't like beer? (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | about 6 months ago | (#46677877)

Bullshit. If it contains anything but water, malted barley, hops and yeast it is a cereal malt beverage, like Zima and American Budweiser.

Re:What if you don't like beer? (4, Insightful)

ganjadude (952775) | about 6 months ago | (#46676707)

cooking with beer is not the same as drinking it, you should be just fine. My brother hates beer but loves when I make chilli because I use a good stout in it

Re:What if you don't like beer? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46676865)

There you wouldn't care about getting dying from cancer because there would be no reason to live.

BBQ =/= Grilling (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46676507)

Also barbecuing and grilling aren't the same thing. One, hopefully, does not barbecue a steak.

Re:BBQ =/= Grilling (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46677193)

That is true. For those who don't yet know the difference, here's a quote from Wikipedia:

In the United States, to grill is to cook meat relatively quickly using the direct heat imparted by a charcoal or propane fire, while barbecue is similar to baking and is a much slower method utilizing the indirect heat imparted by the smoke of a wood-fueled fire, often requiring an extended period of several hours.

Re:BBQ =/= Grilling (1)

tomhath (637240) | about 6 months ago | (#46677219)

One can cook a steak (or shrimp) on a barbecue. In many places that's known as barbecuing.

Around here the term "grilling a deer" means you need to take your car to the body shop.

Re:BBQ =/= Grilling (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | about 6 months ago | (#46677899)

In many places the display is known as 'the computer' and the computer is known as 'the harddrive'. Do you want to be one of those people?

F This Random Beta Crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46676517)

It's obvious Slashdot didn't learn. Now instead of moving users completely to beta randomly they are randomly sending pages of beta when we are trying to get the real thing.

If they don't stop this crap, maybe it's time for another boycott. These assholes never seem to learn.

Lagunitas Chicken (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46676543)

You are supposed to marinate meat in Lagunitas because it tastes good. Then rub it down with curry powder because it tastes good. Then eat it with a Stout, because it tastes good.

The crap they feed you in the old folks home in your last extra year of life you got from eating crappy food tastes worse than the crappy tasting food you ate to get an extra year in that shithole in the first place.

Confusing article (1)

jbmartin6 (1232050) | about 6 months ago | (#46676671)

Grilling and barbecuing are not the same thing [wikipedia.org]

Re:Confusing article (2)

squiggleslash (241428) | about 6 months ago | (#46677189)

Well, they are and they aren't. The terms are used in different countries to mean different things, but the activity known as "grilling" in the US is known as "barbecuing" in the UK (and I believe Australia.)

I suspect the article is written using an English dialect that uses the definition that applies to US-grilling/English-barbecuing. Not unreasonable, the world is a large place and it's not like Americans invented the English language. Why do we speak that fur'in Eurospeak anyway? Surely we should speak AMERICAN!! Hell yeah (etc)

Francesinha (1)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | about 6 months ago | (#46676677)

Since we're discussing Porto, try the local delicacy [wikipedia.org] which is an artery-hardening meat sandwich featuring beer gravy!

As far as colon cancer is concerned (4, Insightful)

istartedi (132515) | about 6 months ago | (#46676713)

As far as colon cancer is concerned, there is a lot of common sense here [nih.gov] . I doubt a tiny little factor like anti-oxidants on your beef is going to make much difference if you're an overweight smoker in your 50s. Having beer around might encourage you to drink heavily, which is listed there as increasing risk. So. If you already like beer marinade then great. If you don't, then there's virtually no reason to use a recipe you don't like. Concentrate on the elephant in the room before addressing the mouse.

Re:As far as colon cancer is concerned (5, Funny)

Neil_Brown (1568845) | about 6 months ago | (#46676839)

Concentrate on the elephant in the room

That would need one heck of a lot of marinade...

Now lets have some under 21's use this to be able (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 6 months ago | (#46676887)

Now lets have some under 21's use this to be able to buy beer.

It may make for an interesting court case.

I'm sceptical (2)

drumlight (1244276) | about 6 months ago | (#46677069)

I thought all experiments should have a control group, but BBQ without beer... Has that ever been tried before? Can than be credited with two discoveries?

chocolate (1)

AndyKron (937105) | about 6 months ago | (#46677151)

Dip it in chocolate for extra protection, but make sure the meat it coated in salt first so you can soak up more chocolate.

Re:chocolate (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | about 6 months ago | (#46677923)

My blackberry molle BBQ sauce is pretty awesome on pork ribs. There is nothing that can't be made better by adding chocolate.

Re:chocolate (1)

Dragonslicer (991472) | about 6 months ago | (#46678375)

My blackberry molle BBQ sauce

Damnit, WANT!

Re:chocolate (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | about 6 months ago | (#46678537)

If you're referring to a Mexican style sauce (as in guaca~) the word is mole, Mr "I've met loads of brits and I'm not impressed with their education".

Re:chocolate (0)

HornWumpus (783565) | about 6 months ago | (#46678593)

Did you understand fuckwit?

Why read the article - it says beer is good! (1)

Madman (84403) | about 6 months ago | (#46677751)

When the message is drink more beer I'm willing to accept an article at face value.

Re:Why read the article - it says beer is good! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46678163)

For science!

Bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46677961)

Alcohol itself is a risk factor for all kinds of gastrointestinal cancers, including esophageal, gastric, and colon.

Rabid V (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46677995)

As a rabid vegan, I would humbly suggest, that if by the year 2014 you do not understand the effects of eating animals: you could just simply drop dead.

To get sick, get others sick, destroy land, air, water, cause unnecessary suffering in the name of "delicious" or "you need protein" is something we should not have to tolerate anymore.

Look at the poor health of your planet and the people around you! If you still don't get it, well, the 12 monkeys should return and you should be on your way out.

No.. I am serious.... Yes, burnt grease makes you die and alcohol makes your stupid, so how about ... well, eat some salad, tomatoes and beans if you want protein...

It doesn' work (1)

Optali (809880) | about 6 months ago | (#46678211)

They are using this technique ever since here in Holland with horrible results. In fact the more beer the higher the accident rates.

Chocolate (1)

pubwvj (1045960) | about 6 months ago | (#46678443)

The other option is chocolate which is even higher in antioxidants! Chocolate BBQ Ribs!

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