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Sklyarov, Elcomsoft Plead Not Guilty

michael posted about 13 years ago | from the if-the-bits-dont-fit,-you-must-acquit dept.

The Courts 484

squared99 writes: "I'm sure it has already flooded slashdot, but Dmitri has entered his plea, not guilty. This NYTimes article talks about it. Not sure I like the mention of bumper stickers, as opposed to the real people who have been protesting, but at least it talks about the support he has been getting. It even appeared as one the main newsworthy item on my daily NYTimes newsletter, Yay! Let's keep up the support and protests. As my brother said to me the other day, "The only way to beat bullies is to stand up to them."" See also Elcomsoft's statement about the case, a story in the Boston Globe, and this cute fable about a DMCA future. Update: 08/31 19:37 PM GMT by M : one more link - the Russian Foreign Ministry has warned its programmers not to travel to the United States.

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hey (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240387)

i know..

Re:hey (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240423)

first reply to first post !

Has it been 20 seconds yet ?

Exclusive! Adobe CEO pic! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240579)

Candid photo [iadfw.net] of Adobe CEO. This pretty much sums up the Adobe side of the story.

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Re:EVERYBODY LOVES POKEY!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240467)

Not me!

We need better sign makers (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240405)

Re:We need better sign makers (-1, Offtopic)

wysoft (301924) | about 13 years ago | (#2240595)

Neither does that "You are stupid" binry shirt from ThinkGeek.

Guilty! (-1)

Spootnik (518145) | about 13 years ago | (#2240408)

Why should we support a criminal? Answer me!

No matter how you hate Adobe or big corps, Dmitri is guilty, let's face it.

Re:Guilty! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240474)

You fool! Next time I'll get mod points, I'll use all five of them to mod five of your posts down. And I'm sure many others will do the same. Ya know, Overrated mods don't show up in metamod. That'll teach you to post your tripe anonymously next time.

Re:Guilty! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240480)

Hey,


Just because your a spammer doesn't mean you can't be right. You're dead on the money, this guy is guilty. Let him fry.

What is this world coming to? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240551)

Now we're actually punishing criminals. This is terrible. How can we as a society tolerate this? Sure, there are thinly veiled attempts to dismiss this case becuase the offending software was distributed to the US from outside the US. And they almost sound like the protesters have convinced themselves they're in the right. Next thing you know they'll be arresting people who traffic drugs in the US that are CLEARLY grown outside the US, and therefore immune from our silly laws.

We need to FREE DMITRI and all our other criminals, as they are victims of an unjust system that treats people differently just because they committed a crime.

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Here's what I hope they do with the DMCA (-1, Offtopic)

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Skylarov not guilty in the eyes of Justice (2, Interesting)

Kiss the Blade (238661) | about 13 years ago | (#2240412)

But he is guilty in the eyes of the law, as far as I can see. The DMCA may be an unfair law, and not 'justice', but there is a greater thing at stake here - the overall Justice of the law. Even where the law is wrong it must be obeyed, and must only be amended through democratic action. I for one support the actions against Skylarov, with heavy heart, for I support the rule of law above all else.

This is not to say I won't be campaigning against the DMCA, however.

I think I am in line with the more controversial [adequacy.org] commentators on this issue, but I feel it is the only honest line.

Re:Skylarov not guilty in the eyes of Justice (1)

SirGeek (120712) | about 13 years ago | (#2240449)

But what he did is perfectly legal in his country.

They require that you be able to create back up copies of your products.

What do you think would happen if EVERY GEEK in this country went and formed a class action suit against all the companies that use copy protection schemes. We might have a case because we have the right to create a backup copy of our electronic media.

Re:Skylarov not guilty in the eyes of Justice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240484)

Ahh, but his defence minght be that the law is unconstitutional or is superceeded by an older law etc etc.. in that case he would plead not guilty. This could be a great thing for everyone not just him.

Re:Skylarov not guilty in the eyes of Justice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240586)

But what he did is perfectly legal in his country.

But they imported the software & primarily distributed to the US. You need to read the indictment because they specifically cite actions that happened on US soil.

Businesses incorporated in the US can't go around breaking the law in the US just because some of their employees are not US citizens.

Re:Skylarov not guilty in the eyes of Justice (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240450)

I don't see how you can defend someone who uses copyright law to make a profit on one hand and then breaks copyright law to make a profit on the other. I have no respect for that.

Re:Skylarov not guilty in the eyes of Justice (3, Insightful)

cmorriss (471077) | about 13 years ago | (#2240455)

"Even where the law is wrong it must be obeyed"

Is the criminal justice system not part of our democracy? You seem to imply laws can only be changed if the Congress passes a law to repeal it. That's not true at all. If the law is unconsititutional, the judicial system has more than enough power to declare it so.

Sounds like you're fighting for the wrong side.

laws can be illegal (1)

Mdog (25508) | about 13 years ago | (#2240459)

I agree that what he did was illegal under the terms of the DMCA, but that doesn't mean that he couldn't be found innocent.

IANAL, but when a law is in contradiction to the constitution, as I and many of you believe the DMCA is, you're innocent (in theory.)

Re:Skylarov not guilty in the eyes of Justice (1)

gwallen3141 (469203) | about 13 years ago | (#2240477)

Guilty of what, exactly? He created a 'circumvention device' but he didn't do it here. As far as I know he didn't try to market/sell/distribute a 'circumvention device' - his employer did. He did speak about a 'circumvention device' in this country but in a scholarly fashion at a professional conference.

Re:Skylarov not guilty in the eyes of Justice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240608)

Guilty of what, exactly?...he didn't...his employer did...

Read the indictment, its very specific, it does also charge his employer, and the actions that he/they were charged with did happen in the US.

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Re:Skylarov not guilty in the eyes of Justice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240497)

"Even where the law is wrong it must be obeyed", huh... Well, he was obeying the law in his own country and he wasn't breaking any laws in America. He was arrested for what he did on Russian soil. What's next, the US Authorities going to London and picking up someone and arresting them for something the American Government doesn't like, irregardless of political boundaries and jurisdictions?



America is taking the "police the world" thing too far.

circumvention (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240518)

Skylarov isn't guilty of anything. The DMCA itself is a circumvention device as it prevents us from creating our legally allowed backups of data for items we purchase. Skylarov, if anything, simply provided us a way to over-ride the (should be) illegal circumvention device that is the DMCA.

ATTENTION MODERATORS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240519)

Kiss The Blade, also known as KTB, Lover's Arrival, The, and many other gay names, is a KNOWN TROLL and should be modded down as such. He should NOT be MODDED UP, he should be MODDED DOWN. He is trolling you, don't you see? He is also a member of the ultra-gay Wiccan THC (Troll High Council) and should have his IP banned immediately. Thank you for your time.

The "law" is not always important (5, Insightful)

fcd (89027) | about 13 years ago | (#2240530)

An unjust law does not demand being followed simply because it is the law. Our country has a history of unjust laws. Take for example the Jim Crow laws in the south. You state that you agree with the people who put MLK in jail. The people who turned dogs and hoses on protestors, civil protestors, not violent ones, simply because it is the law?


It is our duty as Americans to protest and commit acts of civil disobiedience when we believe a law is unjust. We must, of course, expect to be punished for our actions, but we must never fall blindly into the belief that we should obey and accept people punsihed under unjust laws, to do so is to sign away our freedoms one by one, because as many of you know waiting and writing to Congress to get something done, is not the most effective thing you can do.


Someone who is being punished under an unjust law is being unjustly punished, and you should not support punishing him, if you do not believe the law is just, to do so is hipocrasy.

Re:Skylarov not guilty in the eyes of Justice (2)

Remote (140616) | about 13 years ago | (#2240604)

I fully agree with the gist of your post, but let's not call him guilty, that's not up to you or I to say. If you are such a strong believer in Justice of the Law, let the courts decide. And yes, I saw the "as far as I can see" part.

On a side note: what I understand from this is that everyone who is or has been an employee of ElcomSoft, or anyone who has somehow contributed to the "effort" is subjected to arrest upon entering the USA. Maybe one wouldn't even need to enter the USA (think Noriega). I think this extreme scenario highlights how law and justice can be apart, as you suggested.

- Why Open Source / Linux Sucks - (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240415)

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The terms "opensource" and "Linux" are nothing but buzzwords created by the jews to promote free-software, when in fact they are without a doubt profiting highly from this so-called "free" software......

The terms "opensource" and "Linux" are nothing but buzzwords created by the jews to promote free-software, when in fact they are without a doubt profiting highly from this so-called "free" software.......

The terms "opensource" and "Linux" are nothing but buzzwords created by the jews to promote free-software, when in fact they are without a doubt profiting highly from this so-called "free" software........

dimitry is an ass, heres the pic to prove it (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240421)


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Re:dimitry is an ass, heres the pic to prove it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240502)

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3. What's your opionon of the justness of the DMCA?
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Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240427)

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Re:COMPSEX (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240504)

G4 tower?

Protests are nice and alll... (1)

DESADE (104626) | about 13 years ago | (#2240429)

But does anyone really think that protest, bumper stickers and popular support will really do anything to make the feds pull back? We're talking about the Bush administration here. It might be better to put the money into some hired gun lawyers. I think the only way to win this one is a good fight in the courts. Otherwise, our friend from Russia will be the poster boy for what happens when you f##k with the DMCA.

or, as most sheeple say (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240434)

As the average person I've run into will state:



"If he hadn't been doing that bad stuff, he wouldn't be in this situation. He deserves what he gets."

Seriously, folks. Your average American believes that if Uncle Sam says you've done something wrong then you have. And if you have, then you deserve to have your constitutional rights trampled on and you deserve to be treated like a dog.



Further, the American people obviously believe that it's wrong to hold American's captive in foreign lands and hold them accountable for crimes supposedly committed in whatever country they are in but it's alright for us to do whatever we want to foreigners visiting OUR country. God bless hypocrisy.

Michael, slashdot post old story (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240435)

Sims denied that the recent CHAOS^H^H^H^H^H problems with slashdot was due to a migration to IIS/MSSQL server.

1984 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240436)

Anyone here who hasn't had a chance to read it yet really should.

Just remember that the book was first published in 1949.

slashdot = censorware. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240437)

Looks like slashdot is deleting comments in old stories. This article [slashdot.org] had an ASCII goatse.cx as the first comment in its archived, shtml version. Now that it's been imported back into the database, the comment is nowhere to be found.

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Looks like slashdot is deleting comments in old stories. This article [slashdot.org] had an ASCII goatse.cx as the first comment in its archived, shtml version. Now that it's been imported back into the database, the comment is nowhere to be found.

Dmitry's so hot! He makes me want to (-1, Troll)

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THIS JUST IN! (1, Offtopic)

oliphaunt (124016) | about 13 years ago | (#2240444)

See what President Georege W. Bush [bushgrammar.com] has to say about this!

ok, so I'm lying. At least it't not goat related.

(s core: -999, OFFTOPIC, not goat related) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240565)

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REGGE DUNLOP (-1)

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Miscommunication (1, Offtopic)

omarius (52253) | about 13 years ago | (#2240448)

"The only way to beat bullies is to stand up to them."

I read this as,

"The only way to beat bullets is to stand up to them."

and thought, ummmm, "No."

:P,

-Omar

Re:Miscommunication (1)

greyrat (80922) | about 13 years ago | (#2240471)

I read it correctly and still thought, ummmm, "No."

Re:Miscommunication (3, Funny)

bonzoesc (155812) | about 13 years ago | (#2240482)

Maybe they got confused and meant "The only way to beat bullies is bullets." Remember, ranged weapons are here for the scrawny guys like us.

Re:Miscommunication (3, Funny)

SuiteSisterMary (123932) | about 13 years ago | (#2240544)

"The Gods made us all, but Armour-Piercing Discarding Sabot rounds made us all equal."

Re:Miscommunication (2, Interesting)

Chris Y Taylor (455585) | about 13 years ago | (#2240508)

What about: "The only way to beat bullies is asymmetric warfare"?

A little late (0, Offtopic)

Staciebeth (40574) | about 13 years ago | (#2240454)

Why did it take Slashdot so long to post this story? I used to come to Slashdot to get news before I could get it elsewhere, but I heard this at 7 AM on NPR! Sheesh.

Rumor has it that Dmitry writes spamming tools (-1, Offtopic)

Russ Nelson (33911) | about 13 years ago | (#2240456)

Rumor has it that Dmitry spends his spare time when not breaking into ebooks writing spaming software. You know, for scraping web pages and spamming the addresses found there. Can anyone verify this rumor (No, I won't tell you where I heard it, because the idea is to get another independent source for it).
-russ

Re:Rumor has it that Dmitry writes spamming tools (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240574)

Take your black propaganda and SUYA!

Re:Rumor has it that Dmitry writes spamming tools (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240611)

Good, good, following the journalist's code of ethics where it states, 'two rumors = truth'

Bend over for Bubba, Dmitry! (-1, Troll)

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Burning Dmitry (2, Informative)

zangdesign (462534) | about 13 years ago | (#2240462)

This article [wired.com] on WIRED shows what is probably the general level of concern for most Americans. Especially the final quote.

What did we expect. (1)

BrookHarty (9119) | about 13 years ago | (#2240463)

What did we expect, For him to plead guilty?

News seems rather light on the details, how about some urls to transcripts. These 1 line news tidbits isnt cutting it.

I hope he wins (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240470)

I really hope Sklyarov wins this case. If he ends up in jail, all the assrape is going to make him look like this:


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- STOP RACISM AGAINST ANONYMOUS COWARDS - (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240475)


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Has anyone noticed that posts by Anonymous Cowards seem to get unfairly moderated down only by the fact that they are being posted anonymously? Surely there would be public outrage if blacks and jews were being unfairly moderated. Has anyone noticed that posts by Anonymous Cowards seem to get unfairly moderated down only by the fact that they are being posted anonymously? Surely there would be public outrage if blacks and jews were being unfairly moderated. Has anyone noticed that posts by Anonymous Cowards seem to get unfairly moderated down only by the fact that they are being posted anonymously? Surely there would be public outrage if blacks and jews were being unfairly moderated. Has anyone noticed that posts by Anonymous Cowards seem to get unfairly moderated down only by the fact that they are being posted anonymously? Surely there would be public outrage if blacks and jews were being unfairly moderated. Has anyone noticed that posts by Anonymous Cowards seem to get unfairly moderated down only by the fact that they are being posted anonymously? Surely there would be public outrage if blacks and jews were being unfairly moderated. Has anyone noticed that posts by Anonymous Cowards seem to get unfairly moderated down only by the fact that they are being posted anonymously? Surely there would be public outrage if blacks and jews were being unfairly moderated. Has anyone noticed that posts by Anonymous Cowards seem to get unfairly moderated down only by the fact that they are being posted anonymously? Surely there would be public outrage if blacks and jews were being unfairly moderated.

law and guilt (5, Interesting)

Proud Geek (260376) | about 13 years ago | (#2240476)

Sklyarov is clearly guilty of violating the DMCA. The not guilty plea is stupid nonsense.

I'm not saying he should be charged or jailed or such. God forbid I support the government's actions here. Thing is, the issue isn't his guilt (as he is clearly guilty) but why the DMCA exists in the first place.

Don't proclaim Sklyarov's innocence, because he isn't. Instead, proclaim the injustice of a law that imposes draconian punishments for things that should not be illegal in the first place.

Re:law and guilt (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240528)

No he isn't guilty of violating the DMCA. As far as I know, the DMCA is an American law and although America often resembles a Communist, Socialist, Big-Brother dictatorship, Russia is not a part of America.

Re:law and guilt (5, Insightful)

furiousgeorge (30912) | about 13 years ago | (#2240552)

Please explain how is is guilty of doing work in another country where this activity isn't illegal? When did the US's jurisdiction become international.

There's probably fifty things you've done today that are crimes in other countries (read much about Afghanistan lately) - keep things in perspective.

ALSO - if you plead guilty, then this doesn't go through the courts with the potential result of the DMCA being declared unconstitutional. If everybody pleads guilty there is ZERO chance of the law being struck down.

Don't be obtuse.

Shouldn't that be "law VS guilt"? (2)

_Mustang (96904) | about 13 years ago | (#2240561)

Don't proclaim Sklyarov's innocence, because he isn't. Instead, proclaim the injustice of a law that imposes draconian punishments for things that should not be illegal in the first place.

If all that was needed to institute change was people "proclaiming" against immoral unethical laws then you folks in the US of A would still be a colony of the Brits. The fact that actions speak louder than words and that action is often the only way to effect change *was* the whole point of the Boston Tea party I believe..

As I see it, the only unfortunate aspect is that it's a non-US citizen involved; an American in his place would have been a much better symbol of how slippery the slope has become.

sorry, but nope (2, Insightful)

Seumas (6865) | about 13 years ago | (#2240603)

Sorry, but if it was a non-american involved, he would still be ignored by the public and the media. Any little attention he would manage to receive would be with the accusation that he is a rampant cracker and criminal spawned by bullying through his highschool years and society's general lack of morality, yadda yadda yadda.

American's don't care about things unless it affects their religion, the children or their cable television prices.

Re:law and guilt (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240607)

Damn, I thought he was innocent till proven guilty.

no reg link (1)

cha0sadddddddd (323712) | about 13 years ago | (#2240479)

http://archive.nytimes.com/2001/08/31/technology/3 1HACK.html

Oops, sorry that link is incorrect. Sorry :-) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240500)


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Re:no reg link (1)

cha0sadddddddd (323712) | about 13 years ago | (#2240525)

sorry no space
http://archive.nytimes.com/2001/08/31/technology /3 1HACK.html
that one works

karma whore.... (0)

metalhed77 (250273) | about 13 years ago | (#2240598)

you should be shot and killed, you greedy karma whore,

Fenris Wolf? (1)

sabinm (447146) | about 13 years ago | (#2240483)

This sounds to me like a bit of corporate canibalism. A company that chases after hackers getting arrested for hacking. Not that I denounce Skylarov, but after reading that statement from Elmcosoft, I can't pity them too much.

A Response from Russia (5, Informative)

kjj (32549) | about 13 years ago | (#2240485)

The Russian Foreign Ministry is warning programmers not to go to the US or they could be arrested. Check out the story here [zdnet.com] .

Re:A Response from Russia (3, Informative)

NullPointer (6898) | about 13 years ago | (#2240572)

There is also a story at the NYTimes Russians Deem Arrest Insult to Their Industry [nytimes.com] that has some interviews with other Russian programmers and their take on the whole mess.

He he he... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240493)

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Re:He he he... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240499)

Tcl? Wimp. Real programmers use cat > myprog; chmod 755 myprog

Return to the Dark Ages (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240494)

Censorship is on the rise. Is it coming to America?

Dozens of other Americans, Europeans, Australians and Canadians have been jailed for exercising their right to free speech.

Read more about it here [amren.com]

Vanguard News Network [vanguardnewsnetwork.com]

WARNING: GOAT SEX LINK! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240517)

Specifically, the link that points to this comment is a link to the goat sex ascii.


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Funny fable, old concept (1)

Uttles (324447) | about 13 years ago | (#2240495)

This fable really is just an illustration of the age-old witch hunt. I don't agree with the DMCA but I don't think it would be enforced in such a way. While we're talking about witch hunts, we have something much worse than what's described in this article around already: rape. Look at how those cases are investigated, it's terrible. Anyway, nice story

Re:Funny fable, old concept (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240513)

didn't you check the link at the end?

Bullies (2, Funny)

Maskirovka (255712) | about 13 years ago | (#2240505)

"The only way to beat bullies is to stand up to them."

I like this Tom Clany quote better:

There are two ways you can deal with bullies
You can shock them; or
you can kill them.

Needless to say there are at least 50000 bullies (ie, industry lobiests) in washington alone, so killing is out. Any great ideas on how to collectively shock them? The sheer logistics are mind bogling, but it would be fun to try 8)

Maskirovka

I don't care that my spelling stinks.

Re:Bullies (1)

Nick Number (447026) | about 13 years ago | (#2240524)

Needless to say there are at least 50000 bullies (ie, industry lobiests) in washington alone, so killing is out. Any great ideas on how to collectively shock them? The sheer logistics are mind bogling, but it would be fun to try 8)

Get them to hotsync their Palm Pilots all at once.

Re:Bullies (2, Funny)

tbone1 (309237) | about 13 years ago | (#2240541)

Needless to say there are at least 50000 bullies (ie, industry lobiests) in washington alone, so killing is out.

Well, if we keep them in DC, they'll probably get shot anyway.

FLOPPY DICK NEEDS WORK - CALL XXX-XXXX (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240512)

Can I reformat my dick in my floppy drive? I'd like to try.

All this ascii art is making me want to (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240533)


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Biased Slashdot Coverage.. (-1, Troll)

Bowie J. Poag (16898) | about 13 years ago | (#2240534)



I know this will probably earn me a -1 Flamebait moderation, but i've been thinking about something lately, regarding Slashdot.

What strikes me as particularly odd, is the fact that Slashdot chooses to embrace the cause of Mr. Sklyarov, despite the fact that he knowingly and willfully comitted an act of copyright infringement. This is a crime. While its not on par with grand theft or murder, it is a crime nonetheless. Not only did he commit a crime, but he also didn't find much harm in holding a lecture to inform and encourage others how to do the same. No matter how small a dent in some company's bottom line it made, it's still illegal..You can call it whatever you want, and make up elaborate dances to justify it, but its still a crime, enforced by law.. Laws that you and I have citizens helped create to protect the rights of our property.

Now, suppose the company being victimized was VA Linux Systems, OSDN, BSI, or perhaps more poigniantly, Slashdot. Slashdot holds numerous copyrights, each of which i'm sure they'de defend rigorously in court. If someone came along and decided to "pull a Dmitry" on Rob and Jeff, they would likely throw a fit, and let loose the dogs of war on whoever did it. They wouldn't embrace the offender as some sort of Robin Hood'ish cult hero.

Thats a double-standard i'm not quite comfortable with. Many would argue that the sheer numbers of readers here at Slashdot almost demand unbiased reporting, but, its their page, they can do what they want...And thats fine....But Slashdot's maintainers should realize that they're seting a dangerous precedent when you hold up one ethical ideal but practice quite another.

In other words, if you really want to see something funny, try violating one or more of Slashdot's copyrights. I'll bet you dollars to donuts Slashdot wont take up your cause, and run almost daily series of reports on how to defend and support you.

Cheers,

Re:Biased Slashdot Coverage.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240550)

That depends on how you define crime pal. You define crime as something illegal (like doing 56 in a 55). I define it as something wrong (like companies using pirated software). Think on that.

not enough thinking (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240571)

I'd say you have more thinking to do.



Violating Slashdot's copyright and making a legal program to promote a legal right in a country that is not bound by the idiocy of the DMCA to enforce the legal creation of legal backup copies of a product are very different things.



Now, if Slashdot were selling compilation CD's with all the Slashdot archives on them, included a proprietary reader that prevents you from making copies or backups of the compilation and prevented you from using the CD on any other machine or in two places at once (even though you may only be accessing one of the isntances at a time) and someone offered a way to get around that so you could make a backup copy of it (since you are licensing the right to read the archives on a convenient disk, you shouldn't have to pay for those rights all over again if the disk is corroded, melted, scratched, etc) and Slashdot sued or attacked that person... then you'd have something.

Re:Biased Slashdot Coverage.. (3, Informative)

furiousgeorge (30912) | about 13 years ago | (#2240592)

>>despite the fact that he knowingly and >>willfully comitted an act of copyright
>>infringement.

Don't be obtuse.

First - the 'crime' occured in another country.

Second - he didn't commit copyright infringement. He developed a tool. If i go down to the library, take a book and photocopy it, does that mean Xerox (and it's engineers) are guilty of 'copyright' infringement. No it doesn't. For the same reason a gun manufacturer isn't guilty of murder if i shoot somebody in the head. For the same reason if i take a hammer and break into your house, Sears isn't guilty of break and enter. If i burn a copy of a friends CD, HP (the manufacturer of my burner) isn't guilty of copyright infringent.

Don't confuse a tool and the use of a tool. Why should this case be treated differently because it deals with bits instead of physical objects. It's EXACTLY the same as the Xerox example.

And i won't even go into the agument about how the DMCA tramples other established rights.

DMCA coming to Europe (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240535)

It may (and should) outrage all Europeans, but within a year, Dmitry's actions are going to be made illegal in Europe too. Yes, that's right - they've put together a DMCA in Europe called the European Union Copyright Directive. It bans circumventing encryption in the same way. In a year's time, all governments in Europe are obliged to enact it as law.

We can still stop this! Check out here [eurorights.org] and if you're in Britain, write a letter to your MP [faxyourmp.com] . You can and should make a difference.

For the record . . . (0, Offtopic)

SanLouBlues (245548) | about 13 years ago | (#2240536)

Is it Dmitri or Dmitry? I see it one way in the elcomsoft statement, and the other in the nytimes.

Re:For the record . . . (1)

Purple_Walrus (457070) | about 13 years ago | (#2240605)

Either Dmitri, Dmitry or Dmitriy is the correct way to spell it. While this name is spelled only one way in Russian, there are many ways to spell it in English... Probably the closest pronounciation would be "Dmitriy."

Here's what I think (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240543)

http://www.conhugeco.org/junk/arguing.jpg

And now... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240548)

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116986 random... 118163

101280 random... 69937

148694 random... 168351

106588 random... 217565

150642 random... 90859

188696 random... 145353

119949 random... 159287

16404 random... 57781

226538 random... 94275

1552 random... 21089

9606 random... 48463

106700 random... 92877

62434 random... 114011

208008 random... 140665

140222 random... 218919

147076 random... 49253

222810 random... 178867

171584 random... 83601

99958 random... 137855

131772 random... 7548

45266 random... 231243

182904 random... 161641

215918 random... 228375

150772 random... 133589

111306 random... 9763

109040 random... 162177

69094 random... 6191

11628 random... 192685

155522 random... 223419

11176 random... 187673

194910 random... 88327

199844 random... 23301

54778 random... 55955

39072 random... 7729

86486 random... 106143

44380 random... 155357

88434 random... 28651

126487 random... 83145

57742 random... 97079

187476 random... 228853

164330 random... 32067

172624 random... 192161

180678 random... 219535

44492 random... 30669

226 random... 51803

145800 random... 78457

78014 random... 156711

84868 random... 220325

160602 random... 116659

109376 random... 21393

37750 random... 75647

69564 random... 178621

216338 random... 169035

169912 random... 162089

183726 random... 108823

10100 random... 210837

92554 random... 90851

114288 random... 218305

34982 random... 224559

116715 random... 172973

172290 random... 118267

135464 random... 54681

86878 random... 19655

202212 random... 119749

156026 random... 12243

80800 random... 175217

48534 random... 67231

174428 random... 175005

176242 random... 17579

22296 random... 38473

35150 random... 154167

217684 random... 91061

201258 random... 111235

49232 random... 27489

49606 random... 6863

196620 random... 129997

61154 random... 106011

216328 random... 76025

86142 random... 172519

148676 random... 933

95770 random... 143027

180864 random... 83281

156278 random... 23295

232252 random... 3133

29329 random... 143307

219064 random... 96041

97518 random... 71575

220532 random... 219669

124426 random... 33443

140400 random... 8257

98534 random... 190191

53548 random... 46445

232962 random... 75003

145000 random... 102617

141534 random... 57991

80228 random... 220485

15802 random... 57299

175776 random... 115633

131029 random... 104607

221404 random... 165341

104178 random... 197035

Ok, so they're not random, but pseudo-random. Sue me. Or lick me. Whichever works for you.

Oh yeah, fuck Slashdot. Their 2 minute limit hinders my enjoyment of the site.

I've got to start trolling more and crapflooding less, ya know...

Replies are MUCH more satisfying than long scrolls...

Christ, 2 minutes is a long time...

Re:And now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240576)

keep up the good work

Re:And now... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240582)

All these random numbers make me want to

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* \ |\ \ *
j | / \ \ j
a | | \ \ a
c | | \ \ __ c
k / \ \ \/__|__,,..---v--. k
o | |__,,\.--"""\/ | \ o
f | | \ _> f
f| | _ _ _ _ | / f
*| | /_v_v_v_\..---""'`-' *
j| | __,,.| | | | | j
a| / \ \_h_h_h_/ a
c | | | c
k | | | k
o \ |\ | o
f \ | \___/ f
f \ | f
* \ | *
j | | j
a | | a
c | | c
k | | k
o | | o
f | | f
f | | f
* | | *
+* j a c k * o f f * j a c k * o f f * j a c k * o f f *+


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Urge to kill.....rising.... (1, Offtopic)

Sarcasmooo! (267601) | about 13 years ago | (#2240563)

How is this [rangerinc.com] legal? The action of monitoring people and their 'transgressions' may be done by advertisers and websites all the time, but at the very least they've been required to post a privacy policy, or an opt-out arrangement. Required might be an assumption, maybe they just know better than to cross that line of complete deception and risk legal action.

(This is offtopic, I know. I got to the ranger site from the salon article linked by the 'cute fable')

You've got to admire his boss... (5, Insightful)

brulman (183184) | about 13 years ago | (#2240566)

for showing up in court yesterday to stand by his employee. He certainly didn't have to come all the way from Russia, and risked getting arrested himself to do so. It impressed me a great deal, and hopefully it will have a similar effect on the court.

Beowolf (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240568)

Dude, can you make a beowolf cluster of these guys?

Re:Beowolf (0, Offtopic)

anichan (205614) | about 13 years ago | (#2240581)

A beowolf cluster of lawers? Wouldn't that yeild the Micro$oft legal team?

Not guilty plea *was* the right thing to do (5, Informative)

M_Talon (135587) | about 13 years ago | (#2240583)

To those who were criticizing the not-guilty plea and saying he is guilty, this needs to be said. Had he went ahead and pleaded guilty, there would be no legal examination of the DMCA. He would have been fined and sentenced to prison, end of story. The United States NEEDS this examination of the DMCA, if for no other reason than to bring the flaws in the law to light in an official manner. It will be up to the courts to make the decision, and in the mean time, the issues surrounding the DMCA will hopefully become more public knowledge.

I'm really saddened that Russia had to issue its advisory, but again maybe that will be a wake up call to everyone that there is something very very wrong with the way the DMCA is being enforced. One would hope that we can settle the issue internally before it becomes more of an international issue than it already is. The US preaches so much about "human rights" and begs for other countries to "do the right thing" even though their laws are written differently. It's time we practice what we preach.

The DMCA makes me want to (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2240594)

The DMCA makes me want to

+* j a c k * o f f * j a c k * o f f * j a c k * o f f *+
* \ |\ \ *
j | / \ \ j
a | | \ \ a
c | | \ \ __ c
k / \ \ \/__|__,,..---v--. k
o | |__,,\.--"""\/ | \ o
f | | \ _> f
f| | _ _ _ _ | / f
*| | /_v_v_v_\..---""'`-' *
j| | __,,.| | | | | j
a| / \ \_h_h_h_/ a
c | | | c
k | | | k
o \ |\ | o
f \ | \___/ f
f \ | f
* \ | *
j | | j
a | | a
c | | c
k | | k
o | | o
f | | f
f | | f
* | | *
+* j a c k * o f f * j a c k * o f f * j a c k * o f f *+


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Does anybody know the law here? (2)

Ami Ganguli (921) | about 13 years ago | (#2240602)

Ok, the above comment is an obvious troll, but I'm curious about how American law actually works. Do they really think they can enforce their own laws globally? This strikes me as really bizarre. I know the French did something similar with Yahoo, but presumably Yahoo at least has an office or something in France (I don't really know, I'm just guessing).

Any lawyers who know better?

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