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Smart Car Tipping Trending In San Francisco

timothy posted about 4 months ago | from the siphoning-next-the-gas-from-this-tesla dept.

Crime 371

First time accepted submitter hackajar1 (1700328) writes "Is it a crime of opportunity or another page in the current chapter of Anti-Tech movement in San Francisco? Either way, the new crime trending in San Francisco invloves tipping Smart Cars on their side. While they only take 3 — 4 people to tip, this could just be kids simply having "fun" at the very expensive cost of car owners. Alternatively it could be part of a larger movement in San Francisco against anyone associated with HiTech, which is largely being blamed for neighborhood gentrification and rent spikes in recent years." This sounds like a story that would catch the ears of veteran reporter Roland Hedley.

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371 comments

San Fran = the new Detroit (-1, Troll)

bazmail (764941) | about 4 months ago | (#46695183)

Fuck San Francisco

Re:San Fran = the new Detroit (1)

schneidafunk (795759) | about 4 months ago | (#46695275)

Wow, it's like the exact opposite of what happened in Detroit. Prices are going up because business are moving in... Detroit declared bankruptcy and rent is dirt cheap there... so what part are you talking about - the vandalism?

Re:San Fran = the new Detroit (5, Insightful)

lgw (121541) | about 4 months ago | (#46695801)

Detroit was once a very nice city. This exact sort of behavior made Detroit the smoking crater it is today. If you drive everyone with money away from your tax base, there won't be anything left. There was a deliberate effort in Detroit's case, and while it took a decade or more to drive out the middle class, and another couple decades to run out of money, it was inevitable from just a few years in.

Re:San Fran = the new Detroit (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695987)

" This exact sort of behavior made Detroit the smoking crater it is today. " The decline of American manufacturing is felt in manufacturing centers.

You're no economist. You're no sociologist. You're no historian.

Re:San Fran = the new Detroit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695561)

One more piece of evidence that San Francisco needs to be nuked to a smoking crater.

Re:San Fran = the new Detroit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695767)

On May 16th we'll get one better...

It happened one time in a spree. Trending? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695189)

A lot of things are trending if they only have to happen 1 time for that to be said.

Re:It happened one time in a spree. Trending? (5, Insightful)

The Grim Reefer (1162755) | about 4 months ago | (#46695617)

obligatory XKCD [xkcd.com]

Re:It happened one time in a spree. Trending? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695771)

I didn't even click the link, but I bet it's the one shows two data points and a straight line extrapolating some nonsense to a woman. BWHAHAHAHAHAH! You're SO FUCKING CLEVER!!!!! Did you draw that?!?! Do you think you're funny and original?!?!?! Do you think you're a faggoty hipster doofus shithead?

LOLOLOL!!!! I've laughed so hard! I'm so impressed by your tenacity and originality, that I'm taking the rest of the day off and buying a lottery ticket. Today is THE DAY!!!!

It's not trending. (5, Insightful)

Michael O-P (31524) | about 4 months ago | (#46695207)

This wouldn't even be an issue if the damn local news didn't report on it. 3 cars?! A night of drunken stupidity. Now it's going to be trending.

Re:It's not trending. (5, Funny)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about 4 months ago | (#46695251)

If it were Tesla Motors, the NHTSA would be starting an investigation.

Re:It's not trending. (4, Funny)

O('_')O_Bush (1162487) | about 4 months ago | (#46695435)

And Elon Musk would be whining about how the media was unfairly targeting Tesla, making misleading claims about a correlation between toppings and high speed crashes, claiming Teslas are not tipped more than any other car in the city, all the while designing titanium tipping resistant body panels as implicit acknowledgment of reality. And Slashdot would be a boiling kettle of fanboys defending Tesla and group thinking (par for the course).

I should say, I am biased, being a Tesla stockholder.

Re:It's not trending. (5, Funny)

slinches (1540051) | about 4 months ago | (#46695751)

If it were Teslas being tipped, I think the NFL and/or the military would be the ones investigating. Those things weigh over two tons and have a very low CG, making them nearly impossible to roll over without some heavy duty lifting apparatus.

Re:It's not trending. (1)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about 4 months ago | (#46695507)

Considering that they dressed up to hide their identities, I would not characterize this a night of drunken stupidity. It looks like a group of people with mental problems that decided to disguise themselves and vandalize cars.

Re:It's not trending. (4, Insightful)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 4 months ago | (#46695533)

It looks like a group of people with mental problems

Or, you know - teenagers.

The only "mental problem" necessary to find joy in such an activity as vandalizing cars is adolescence.

You did stupid shit when you were a kid, too. We all did.

Re:It's not trending. (3, Insightful)

TemperedAlchemist (2045966) | about 4 months ago | (#46695607)

Yeah, like stuff that put me in danger.

I didn't cause property damage to other people.

Re:It's not trending. (2)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about 4 months ago | (#46695615)

Of course teenagers have mental problems. They go crazy during the transition from childhood to being an adult.

I never went out destroying people's cars, and I doubt that you did either.

Re:It's not trending. (1)

hondo77 (324058) | about 4 months ago | (#46695865)

I never went out destroying people's cars, and I doubt that you did either.

Does smashing car windows count? Yeah, dumb stuff happened in the teen years.

Re:It's not trending. (5, Funny)

The Grim Reefer (1162755) | about 4 months ago | (#46695697)

No kidding. Back in the 80's 4-5 of us would pick up compact cars and move them onto the sidewalk out of drunken stupidity.

One of my friends had an MG back then. A couple of people lifted the rear end off the ground right before he was getting ready to drive off. While they were all laughing, he put the car in reverse and stepped on the gas. While laughing himslef, he asked them how long they thought they could hold it.

Re:It's not trending. (1)

Altus (1034) | about 4 months ago | (#46695827)

Teenagers are usually idiots though, they don't usually have the foresight to disguise themselves.

Re:It's not trending. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695645)

So a hooded sweatshirt now constitutes a "disguise" serving no other purpose than to "hide their identities". George Zimmerman, is that you?

It's not the Midwest (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695519)

There is a shortage of cattle in San Francisco. These might be the only alternative.

Re:It's not trending. (2)

jittles (1613415) | about 4 months ago | (#46695635)

This wouldn't even be an issue if the damn local news didn't report on it. 3 cars?! A night of drunken stupidity. Now it's going to be trending.

Eh when I was a wee lad we used to do the same thing with the Honda N600 [wikipedia.org] . Boys will be boys. The tricky part is sneaking out into the pasture without getting any dung on your shoes. And heaven help you if you tip the thing onto you!

Re:It's not trending. (4, Insightful)

fermion (181285) | about 4 months ago | (#46695805)

This was probably just a bunch of kids 'having fun.' I blame high schools and some colleges. High Schools are still focusing on bullying instead of teaching the kids that it is often assault or criminal intent. There are kids coming out school thinking that cursing out a stranger of threatening to hurt someone if they don't get their way is proper behavior. Likewise, some colleges still call borderline criminals acts 'hazing' or 'initiation', thus leading educated people to believe that getting drunk, committing crimes, and getting away with it makes everything ok.

Gentrification may also be an issue. When I was growing up one thing I noticed was the my friends who lived in more affluent or gated neighborhoods would talk about being taken home to their parents instead of arrested. They might be doing drugs, selling drugs, breaking into cars, whatever. We have seen a case where a teen has stolen beer, gotten drunk, and killed some people while driving, has gotten probation. The parents would pay reparations. So if a lot of wealthy parents are moving in, and protecting their kids, then those kids might be less motivated to not commit crime.

Re:It's not trending. (2)

MtHuurne (602934) | about 4 months ago | (#46695823)

Now that it's been in the news, it might become a trend...

GENTRIFICATION! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695215)

Hooper: For years in this industry, whenever an African American character, hero or villain, was introduced - usually by white artists and writers - they got slapped with racist names that singled them out as Negroes. Now, my book, "White-Hating Coon," don't have none of that bullshit. The hero's name is Maleekwa, and he's descended from the black tribe that established the first society on the planet, while all you European motherfuckers were hiding out in caves and shit, all terrified of the sun. He's a strong role model that a young black reader can look up to. Cause I'm here to tell you, the chickens is coming home to roost, y'all. The black man's no longer gonna play the minstrel in the realm of comics and sci-fi fantasy. We keepin it real, and we gonna get respect by any means necessary.

        Holden: Ah, come on, that's a bunch of horse shit! Lando Calrissian was a black guy. You know, and he got to fly the Millennium Falcon, what's the matter with you?

        Hooper: Who said that?

        Holden: I did! Lando Calrissian is a strong role-model in the realm of science fiction/fantasy.

        Hooper: Fuck Lando Calrissian! Uncle-Tom nigger! Some white boy's always gotta bring up the "Holy Trilogy". But those movies is all about how the white man keeps the brotha man down, even in a galaxy far far away. Check this shit. You got cracker farm boy, Luke Skywalker, Nazi poster boy, blond hair, blue eyes. And then you got Darth Vader, the blackest brother in the galaxy, Nubian god!

        Banky: What's a "Nubian"?

        Hooper: Shut the fuck up! Now, Vader, he's a spirtiral brother, down with the Force and all that good shit. Then this cracker, Skywalker, gets his hands on a lightsaber and the boy decides he's gonna run the fucking universe; gets a whole klan of whites together and they go and bust up Vader's hood, the Death Star. Now, what the fuck do you call that?

        Banky: Intergalactic Civil War?

        Hooper: Gentrification! They gon' drive out the black element to make the galaxy quote, unquote, "safe for white folks." And Jedi is the most insulting installment! Because Vader's beautiful black visage is sullied when he pulls off his mask to reveal a feeble, crusty, old white man! They tryin' to tell us that deep inside we all wants to be white!

        Banky: Well isn't that true?

Re:GENTRIFICATION! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695471)

Been a while since I saw Chasing Amy.

Re:GENTRIFICATION! (1)

Redmancometh (2676319) | about 4 months ago | (#46695623)

Oh...I thought this was a quote from the boondocks or something..I love that show.

Slow news day on Slashdot... (0)

cbybear (256161) | about 4 months ago | (#46695227)

Sigh. Really?

Rreachtions (1)

DarkOx (621550) | about 4 months ago | (#46695233)

1) BAHAHAHA

2) Damn people are thoughtless jerks

3) Someones insurance rates are going up

tipping them on their sides is lame (1, Flamebait)

sribe (304414) | about 4 months ago | (#46695271)

But tipping them up on their ends, now THAT is hilarious!

Re:tipping them on their sides is lame (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695947)

I dont care who you are thats funny right there...

merooooooo

Try thinking. (3, Informative)

Cammi (1956130) | about 4 months ago | (#46695289)

Dear poster .. read your own post. At the expensive cost of the car owners? That means these assholes caused damage ... what? damage? Then yes, it is OBVIOUSLY a crime. A little thinking goes a long way.

Smart Cars = HiTech ??? (4, Insightful)

esten (1024885) | about 4 months ago | (#46695299)

Considering a Smart Car is like 12k, gets good gas mileage, and is easy to street park in the city how in the world does this equal HiTech? HiTech workers definitely make enough to afford more spacious and expensive cars along with garage parking.

Is this another example of terrible Slashdot editorial comments distorting original story to "make news" as this alternative theory is not in the original source?
http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/... [ktvu.com]

Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? (5, Funny)

Control-Z (321144) | about 4 months ago | (#46695391)

36MPG is not good gas mileage, especially for a tiny car like that. I think that's what is bothering the vandals.

Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? (2)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 4 months ago | (#46695567)

That is bad. Odd really given that the European petrol version is 47mpg and the diesel version is 70mpg.

Do American's detune their cars or something?

Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? (1)

Vulch (221502) | about 4 months ago | (#46695673)

No, they just give short measure in volumetric units.

Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695733)

US gallons are smaller.
1 US gallon is 0.8 of an Imperial (UK) gallon.
47mpg * 0.8 = ~37mpg, ergo we're talking about the same numbers for Euro and US Smart cars.
Caught me out when I moved from the UK to the US.
On the other hand, paying $4 a gallon rather than [quick conversion litres->US gallons] ~$8.50 is most welcome.

Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695777)

I hate replying to myself but.. also consider, US gasoline is generally a lower octane rating than that sold in UK/Europe. In the UK the grades are 92/95/98 octane; in the US it seems to be 87/89/92 (native USians please correct me if I'm wrong) and adulterated with ethanol thanks to the corn lobby (it wouldn't surprise me to find that they put high fructose corn syrup in there too, the damn stuff's in everything else).

Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695963)

That would be because the UK uses a different metric for measuring octaine ratings. North america uses Anti-Knock Index (RON+MON)/2 and Europe uses just RON. This difference can account for a difference of 4-10 points.

Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46696025)

Grandparent poster here - Thank you, I have learned something new today.

Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695999)

Also your fuel also has up to 10% ethanol just like the states.

http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/new-e10-fuel-will-cost-uk-motorists/1229022

Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? (1)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | about 4 months ago | (#46695799)

1. Car makers usually equip their cars with bigger engines and more features as standard for the US market. In case of Smart Car, the engine is tuned for faster acceleration instead of gas mileage.

2. UK uses imperial gallon which is bigger than US gallon so you have to be careful to compare like with like

3. Different testing standards. EU standards are surprisingly less strict than the US and allow manufacturers more room to cheat. Same car will show "considerably" better fuel economy when tested according to European standards - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F... [wikipedia.org]

Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695813)

Do American's detune their cars or something?

Well, for one thing, the standards are not the same.

And no, I don't mean that the miles and gallons are different(though they can be), but that the actual process of using the vehicle is different.

Basically, the driving profile can be widely different in figuring out how they're presenting MPG, it's not a simple matter of a vehicle on a flat course at a fixed speed.

Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695847)

Do American's detune their cars or something?

No, the passengers just weigh more.

Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695945)

Yes, it's a requirement. Try shipping your efficient vehicle to the US. They'll require you to make modifications to your vehicle that will lower your fuel economy.

Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? (1)

capedgirardeau (531367) | about 4 months ago | (#46695593)

My diesel Smart averages 55 mpg.

Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? (1)

Control-Z (321144) | about 4 months ago | (#46695757)

That's more like it. But the US guvmint apparently hates diesels.

Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? (1)

mrchaotica (681592) | about 4 months ago | (#46695937)

That's still absolute shit economy relative to its size, given that a VW Golf/Jetta TDI (which, being an American, is about the only Diesel I know to compare to) is only about 5 mpg lower.

Actual good fuel economy is a 15-year-old Honda Insight at 70 mpg (US), or, for a non-hybrid, a 22-year-old Geo Metro XFi at 50 mpg (US). Smart should be fucking ashamed of itself!

Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695787)

Bullshit. The only thing bothering the vandals is that a car they can pick up and move happens to be in their immediate vicinity.

Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695895)

No kidding. I'd have a lot more respect for the drivers of the stupid looking things if the cars themselves got 70-80 mpg.

Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? (3, Informative)

imbusy (1002705) | about 4 months ago | (#46695403)

HiTech workers definitely make enough to afford more spacious and expensive cars along with garage parking.

As a HiTech worker I can only say - I can't afford shit with the current rental prices.

Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695415)

Yeah, they seem like the most budget-y car available in the US. The issue is that people view the Smart Car as something green, and the only people thinking green are those HiTech people. I expect to see refurbished bikes tipped over next week.

yes (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695455)

It's not the car that's high-tech, it's people working in high-tech companies (and pizza deliveries) who drive them. It's typical of them. They like to:
- eat organic food
- drive smart cars
- wear google glasses to post other people's private lives online
- suck cocks
- vote democrate
- etc

Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? (1)

jellomizer (103300) | about 4 months ago | (#46695555)

I think it is an issue of applying a stereotype to the driver without any logical information behind it.
Oh look it is one of those Hippy Tech workers with their Green cars that makes them seem so pretentious and better then us.

I drive a Prius, and I get a lot of cars that seem to be more aggressive towards me (especially ones with Right leaning bumper stickers) then they were when I had the sporty convertible. They don't realize that I have a long drive and my main factor for the Car was price of fuel (I have a long drive), and not necessarily being green or making a statement.

Smart cars get more interest because they look even more out of place. Then a normal car, meaning that they must be that much more pretentious.

Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? (0)

HornWumpus (783565) | about 4 months ago | (#46695653)

Pius's are the modern Volvo. We know they aren't actually that slow, but the non-drivers that typically 'drive' them are so bad you just never get in line behind them.

Occasionally one surprises you, but mostly they just idle up to 25 mph in 45 zones.

Do you avoid the pius line when pulling up to a red light?

Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695893)

"Than". Look it up, faggot.

Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695587)

Sorry, not that I disagree with your post, but smart cars aren't like 12k, they're surprisingly expensive for what you get. The electric is 12500 after rebates, but the gas powered start at 13500 for a base model and jump very quickly to over 17k. And their gas mileage is pretty poor considering what you're getting. In all fairness, I checked their webpage, and they don't actually list it, but I've heard it's like 37 or 38 mpg, which means a focus does just as well, if not a little better.

Sorry, I just really hate that car, it's only real up side is that you can pull into a parking space normally reserved for parallel parking. Something that can be overcome by learning how to drive, which would then mean you could parallel park. I'm sorry, but if you don't know how to do something as basic as parallel parking, you don't know how to drive.

*end rant*

I do however agree with you, nothing HiTech about that piece of garbage.

Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | about 4 months ago | (#46695779)

Smart cars are fine, if you put a hyabusa engine in it.

Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695889)

You're right. We shouldn't attempt to make anything easier at all because that would be stupid.

We should all drive stretched double-wide double-decker buses with double-chained extra-long oversized livestock trailers just to prove that we can drive. Because that's manly.

Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? (1)

mk1004 (2488060) | about 4 months ago | (#46695941)

That's pretty much what I was thinking. A Corolla gets 30/40 mpg, is just shy of $17K starting, and carries at least 4 people. I just don't see anyone buying a Smart car unless they are trying to be trendy.

Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? (1)

EvanED (569694) | about 4 months ago | (#46696043)

Sorry, I just really hate that car, it's only real up side is that you can pull into a parking space normally reserved for parallel parking. Something that can be overcome by learning how to drive, which would then mean you could parallel park.

How did you get so close to the benefit and still miss it? It's not that you can pull into a parallel spot, it's that you can fit into parallel spots that are just flat out too small for larger cars. Learning to drive won't change fact that, say, a 12 foot space will comfortably hold a Smart car (8-9ft long) but not, say, a Civic (15 feet).

Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695591)

A VW Jetta TDI gets far better MPG and is a lot more fun to drive. Similar with a Mazda 2.

There is one and only good thing about a SMART car. It is very easy to park. If someone lives in a place other than Paris, NYC, Chicago, Boston, DC, or other large metro area, this advantage is mitigated by the fact that the SMART car will bounce around like a top when struck in a wreck, possibly causing secondary collisions (which the owner/driver of the SMART car will be legally responsible for.)

Plus, with an ad campaign of:

"German Engineering
Swiss Innovation
American Nothing"

it is no wonder why the vehicle isn't appreciated on US shores.

Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695657)

Might just be as simple as the vandals are too drunk to know the difference between high and low tech.... they might not even know that it's not a cow they're tipping.

Really? (2)

3.5 stripes (578410) | about 4 months ago | (#46695335)

It takes more than two people to tip over a smart? Guess they must be little girly men.

Re:Really? (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 4 months ago | (#46695417)

It takes more than two people to tip over a smart? Guess they must be little girly men.

What do they weigh compared to a vintage VW Bug?

One person could flip an old Bug by himself, granted he was sober enough to pick up the right end.

Re:Really? (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | about 4 months ago | (#46695677)

Go out and actually try it. Make sure you've got health insurance cause you'll hurt yourself. Bugs are lite, but not that lite.

Re:Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695923)

Well, it is San Francisco.

So 2001 (5, Interesting)

onproton (3434437) | about 4 months ago | (#46695373)

This actually was a fad in Europe for a while - of course it moved to San Francisco.

Re:So 2001 (1)

iamgnat (1015755) | about 4 months ago | (#46695797)

Technically that fad was pushing them into rivers/canals.

San Francisco: crazy again (1)

JohnFen (1641097) | about 4 months ago | (#46695397)

While I understand the social frustrations -- they aren't unique to SF and where I live there are very similar issues around gentrification -- the reactions I've been hearing about in that area are rapidly reaching the "crazy" level. Sounds like it's time to avoid San Francisco.

Re:San Francisco: crazy again (4, Interesting)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | about 4 months ago | (#46695575)

Gentrification to me means turning filthy, crime ridden ghettos into clean and safe neighborhoods. I haven't heard any reasonable argument against it that doesn't include hidden racism or prejudice against poor people being morons who like living in dirt.

Here's some: (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695831)

Excessive gentrification raises housing costs to the point where only wealthy professionals
can afford to live there. There are several disadvantages to this: first, everyone works,
no stay-at-home moms, so there are no eyes on the street during the days. Second,
anyone without a professional-level income can't stay in the neighborhood. Like my
kids music teacher.

Part of your assumption is that gentrification starts with filthy crime-ridden gettoes. It
can also destroy stable, safe, lower- and middle-class neighborhoods. Like mine.

Re:Here's some: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695991)

Yep, I lived in a neighborhood with mainly military retirees. Then property values shot through the roof as out of staters who couldn't make it in their own neck of the woods started coming for the jobs.

Now, there is no sense of community. Someone has a house that gets burned down, neighbors will flock over and ask if the owner is selling, hoping for a "fire sale" price. You then get the kids of these people who start thinking it is funny to put out bowls of car antifreeze to watch the local cats die, or the older houses that have through-the-door mailboxes wind up with a garden hose inserted and the water on. You get people with electric cars plugged into your outside light. You get neighbors who move property survey markers so they can extend their fence over, and if they succeed, they gain that property through adverse possession.

Some consider gentrification meaning getting rid of "da 'hood". No. In reality, it replaces homes on decent lots with McMansions, condos, and apartments on already traffic-choked roads. Long-term, it means that the area WILL turn into a bad neighborhood when there is an economic downturn.

Re:San Francisco: crazy again (4, Informative)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about 4 months ago | (#46695849)

Property taxes and rent rising pushes out renters who have lived there a long time. People like their neighbors and work to establish a safe community only to be priced out of it BECAUSE they made it safe. They end up having to move to a more distant neighborhood which is once again unsafe. Now they have to commute further to work and have less money from the move. Moving to a new apartment generally means paying higher rent in cities if you keep the same level of nice neighborhood, so it's likely a step down.

I mean, it sounds reasonable to me. Not compelling enough for me to not move to a gentrifying area (which I have before and don't feel particularly guilty about), but I understand why it upsets some people legitimately. I do think a lot of it is simply entitlement or making excuses for envy. Obviously tipping over someone's car isn't a rational way of trying to keep prices for long-term residents down: people who have already moved in are just going to hire more cops which will increase taxes which will hasten the poorer residents being priced out. No, those idiots were either simply troublemakers or at best angry because they didn't have a nice shiny smartcar while their neighbors did.

N-word, please (4, Funny)

ThatsNotPudding (1045640) | about 4 months ago | (#46695897)

Gentrification to me means turning filthy, crime ridden ghettos [FULL OF POOR MINORITIES]
into clean and safe neighborhoods [FULL OF RICH WHITE PEOPLE].

Re:San Francisco: crazy again (1)

AlKaMo (106874) | about 4 months ago | (#46695949)

The inherent problem is that renters tend to be forced out of the gentrified neighborhood, so it tends to not so much clean up ghettos as relocate them to an area with cheaper (or still-cheap) housing costs.
--
While this is still a net gain for the city, it tends to be distressing to the individuals that are forced out. Sure, rationally it doesn't make sense for a renter to feel entitled to the home they're renting. On the other hand, it's hard not to develop an emotional attachment to the place you've been living for 20 or 30 years,despite what it says on the deed.

Re:San Francisco: crazy again (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about 4 months ago | (#46695705)

Three cars tipped over is "crazy" and a reason to avoid a place? No one was in or under the cars, you realize. There were no deaths or injuries.

You go ahead and stay in your padded cave if that scares you.

double take.. (4)

Connie_Lingus (317691) | about 4 months ago | (#46695399)

reading the headline, i thought the story was going to be about people dropping change and dollar bills on smart cars as a way to, i dunno, show their support for eco-friendliness?

 

Moo (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 4 months ago | (#46695465)

In other news, the local cattle herds have never been less paranoid!

Tipping over a smart car to fight the man (2)

InsultsByThePound (3603437) | about 4 months ago | (#46695479)

Is like beating up a blind guy to fight against discrimination against the handicapped. It's fun.

Re:Tipping over a smart car to fight the man (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695713)

No, it's more like yodeling to fight the man -- in other words, utterly nonsensical.

Obligatory (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695487)

In Soviet Russia, smart cars tip you!

Used to be with it, but they changed what "it" is (2)

Cajun Hell (725246) | about 4 months ago | (#46695497)

the new crime

Vandalism and pranks are not new. And this particular form (tipping/inverting/moving_to_weird_places any unusually small/light car) is something I've heard of going back to at least as early as the 1960s. Your grandparents were doing this when they were kids (assuming your grandparents were assholes).

Next on slashdot: someone spraypaints the screen on someone else's phone! It's all part of the new Anti-Tech Movement!! You are totally a square and working for The Man and thinking-inside-the-box and not-cool, if you aren't doing this yet. You probably don't even have an onion on your belt, lamer. Get with it, man!

Re:Used to be with it, but they changed what "it" (3, Insightful)

HornWumpus (783565) | about 4 months ago | (#46695715)

We didn't tip them. We put them between poles so the had to do a 300 point turn to get out.

We also came back and removed it when the teacher went inside to call a tow truck.

am i back in the 90's ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695521)

in Europe its pretty much common place that drunk idiots flip smart cars because its easy and when your drunk it seems pretty funny.

4 people can actually lift one pretty easy.

Synergy (4, Funny)

sjames (1099) | about 4 months ago | (#46695535)

I've seen discussions of having electric cars play an audio track of engine noise to reduce accidents with pedestrians.

And now, when the kids tip it, it will go "MooOOOOOOooo"

Third worlders? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695539)

I wonder if it's third worlders... jealous of white man's technology...

Oh, wait... that was 'racist' of me, wasn't it. Pointing out the truth - that non-whites hate their own kind, and will do anything to live around 'racists' - sorry - whites...

never understood (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695557)

I've never understood why people would actually buy those things. They aren't particularly fuel efficient, their crash test ratings are far from stellar, they don't have a lot of space & cost as much as a full sized car. Maybe if they were insanely fuel efficient or cheap it might make sense, but they aren't.

Re:never understood (3, Informative)

EvanED (569694) | about 4 months ago | (#46695729)

They aren't particularly fuel efficient, their crash test ratings are far from stellar, they don't have a lot of space & cost as much as a full sized car.

I think several points are off. For instance, if I look at new cars on cars.com around me, the cheapest fit is $14,370. If I check out the cheapest Civic, it's $18,980. That's 25% less than an already cheap car. The Smart gets 34/38 mpg; the Civic gets 28/36. The Civic is a manual, the Smart an automatic transmission. (At least in the US, many people would consider a manual a deal-killer.) The Civic is bigger, but it's also far from big, and how big would you really need for a daily commute for instance? And the smaller size has a big benefit for people who do a lot of street parking: imagine being able to fit places where almost no one else can, or having a much easier time getting into tight spots.

The thing is that no car is going to be perfect -- there are always compromises in terms of cost, size, performance, safety, etc. But I think the Smart car fills a niche that would be pretty useful. I was just looking at cars earlier today because there's a hopefully-very-small chance I'll need a new one like, now, and if all I did was drive around town to and from work and errands and stuff, I'd seriously consider getting one.

Re:never understood (1)

mrchaotica (681592) | about 4 months ago | (#46696041)

Stop comparing to Civics; they're overpriced too.

Also, the Smart "automatic" a)isn't really; it's an "automated manual" with a clutch, and b) is absolutely terrible compared to either a torque-converter automatic or a manually-operated clutch.

I was just looking at cars earlier today because there's a hopefully-very-small chance I'll need a new one like, now, and if all I did was drive around town to and from work and errands and stuff, I'd seriously consider getting one.

Do yourself a favor and buy a used Hyundai Accent instead. Trust me, it's a better car. (Even a 10-year-old Accent is a better car than a brand new Smart.) Or buy a Mazda, or a Ford, or, Hell, even a Scion. There is no small car worse than a Smart.

To clarify, we need to quit SF Bashing. (1)

nimbius (983462) | about 4 months ago | (#46695569)

Is it a crime of opportunity or another page in the current chapter of Anti-Tech movement in San Francisco?

No. neither. Interesting_crime + San_francisco doesnt mean its some primal scream against the jackboot of some technological ruling class. Thats just hysterical conjecture. Police cannot be everywhere at every minute of the day. Given this fact, crimes will occur. These can vary from bicycle theft to parking structure arson and even home invasion. each is unique and cannot be condensed meaningfully into some hot button issue used to drive click revenue. san francisco has, as most every other major american metropolitan area, numerous significant problems and challenges and while some of them predicate violent crime and property damage, it is irresponsible to try to categorize them into one particular problem. We are, as humans, prone to sampling bias by our wanton nature of categorization and observation of false patterns.

this story would make more sense if it were Prius or Tesla arson, or intentional sabotage of major transportation systems, but the size and weight of vehicles like the mini, yaris, smart, beetle, and a host of other subcompacts simply lend themselves to hooliganism. My crown victoria on the other hand with two-ton curb weight and police spotlight on the other hand, does not. in turn it also does nothing for the environment at 14 miles per gallon and 15 years of age.
disclaimer: ive never lived in san francisco, i just hope they can roll with the punches.

Re:To clarify, we need to quit SF Bashing. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46696031)

Some people are confrontational and just need a cause to validate their need for destruction. If it wasn't gentrification it would be something else...

In Connecticut we call it COW tipping (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46695577)

These hoodlums had to take something pure and natural and pollute it.

Cows are natures gift and God made them the way they are so that man can garner amusement in tipping them over as they stand in a field.

But tipping a smart car is an abomination of the purity of Cow Tipping. Shame on them!

I think the meaning is less profound (4, Insightful)

maliqua (1316471) | about 4 months ago | (#46695611)

Speaking as someone who when they first saw a smart car said to themselves "I wonder if i run out into the road and shoulder check it if it would tip over" I don't think the vandals in question are doing this to make a statement. I think its most likely that they had a similar thought combined it with youthful enthusiasm and the great decision making power that only a group of teenagers can have.

Re:I think the meaning is less profound (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about 4 months ago | (#46695671)

Yup. According to the linked story, we're talking about four cars, all in the same area, all tipped over in the same night. It's probably one group of rowdy young guys.

Some strange political calculus (0)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | about 4 months ago | (#46695933)

I don't fully get it. But in my alumni mailing list, the die-hard Republicans seem to be rooting for and seem to be very satisfied by the friction between the masses of San Francisco and the tech employees. Some strange logic like, tech employees are largely Democratic, and the masses of CA are also Democratic, so any fall out between them would benefit the Republicans. They keep posting links to excessive pay for tech tycoons and links to these kinds of news stories. Seem to be under the impression this will turn tech workers into Republicans.

As the divide grows... (1)

stox (131684) | about 4 months ago | (#46695981)

This will become a more common occurrence. Why do you think the rich want to spend so much more on Police and the Military?

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