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Cuba: US Using New Weapon Against Us -- Spam

samzenpus posted about 6 months ago | from the filling-the-pipes dept.

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mpicpp (3454017) writes in with news about accusations from Cuban officials about a spamming campaign against the country by the U.S.. "Cuban officials have accused the U.S. government of bizarre plots over the years, such as trying to kill Fidel Castro with exploding cigars. On Wednesday, they said Washington is using a new weapon against the island: spam. 'It's overloading the networks, which creates bad service and affects our customers,' said Daniel Ramos Fernandez, chief of security operations at the Cuban government-run telecommunications company ETECSA. At a news conference Wednesday, Cuban officials said text messaging platforms run by the U.S. government threatened to overwhelm Cuba's creaky communications system and violated international conventions against junk messages. The spam, officials claim, comes in the form of a barrage of unwanted text messages, some political in nature. Ramos said that during a 2009 concert in Havana performed by the Colombian pop-star Juanes, a U.S. government program blanketed Cuban cell phone networks with around 300,000 text messages over about five hours."

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The sheer volume! (4, Funny)

DeathToBill (601486) | about 6 months ago | (#46712063)

300,000 in five hours? God forbid!

Re:The sheer volume! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46712075)

So, they sent my niece to Cuba during a concert?

Re:The sheer volume! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46712449)

In this case, the big O was Obama.

Was it good for you too?

Re:The sheer volume! (5, Funny)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 6 months ago | (#46712093)

This is pretty serious business. At a potential maximum of 140 octects/message, that's (just)Over 40 Megabytes delivered in the course of 5 hours.

Just think. To deliver an attack like that, the US government must have had some sort of time machine, with Ronald Reagan shouting "Now witness the destructive power of this fully armed and operational ARPANET!" before turning on, um, maybe a couple dozen modems at once.

Re:The sheer volume! (2)

MobSwatter (2884921) | about 6 months ago | (#46715161)

Yes, Cuba too is targeted by corporate America, its not just for the citizens of the US anymore.

Re:The sheer volume! (1)

bkmoore (1910118) | about 6 months ago | (#46715657)

This is pretty serious business. At a potential maximum of 140 octects/message, that's (just)Over 40 Megabytes delivered in the course of 5 hours. Just think. To deliver an attack like that, the US government must have had some sort of time machine, with Ronald Reagan shouting "Now witness the destructive power of this fully armed and operational ARPANET!" before turning on, um, maybe a couple dozen modems at once.

Cuba's lucky. A lot of the modems got a busy signal. Otherwise it could have been worse.

Re:The sheer volume! (4, Insightful)

macpacheco (1764378) | about 6 months ago | (#46712131)

300k SMS in five hours ? That's just 18 SMS / second.
Add three zeros and you're still not making even the oldest GSM network in the world sweat.
Sounds like a big bowl of boloney mixed with a lot of malarkey.
Perhaps the explanation is since everything is censored in Cuba, perhaps the govt minders were overwhelmed trying to censor that much SMS, that would actually make some sense.

Re:The sheer volume! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46712217)

300k SMS in five hours ? That's just 18 SMS / second.

In other words, the military armed itself with three 12-year olds to perform this attack.

Re:The sheer volume! (3, Interesting)

EasyTarget (43516) | about 6 months ago | (#46712487)

It's 2009, networks were smaller then.

According to this [wikipedia.org] there were just 300k mobiles in Cuba in 2008.

So it was actually an attempt to spam every person with a mobile in Cuba with pro-US propaganda. And it's just one of many such political spammings, and they still continue.

Re:The sheer volume! (2)

cdrudge (68377) | about 6 months ago | (#46712523)

Checking my last cell bill, I think that's about the combined average rate for my kids and wife during any typical 5 hour period.

Re:The sheer volume! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46712761)

You can't expect Cuba's cellular network to handle 17 texts every second. That's just ludicrous.

Re:The sheer volume! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46712825)

300,000 in five hours? God forbid!

You're forgetting there are only 5 mobile phones on the whole island - and four of those belong to Castro and the other to his brother.

Re:The sheer volume! (4, Interesting)

erikkemperman (252014) | about 6 months ago | (#46713955)

Yeah, so their cellular networks are not quite as advanced as much of the rest of the world. How did you expect them to keep up, given that economic sanctions prohibit most producers of relevant hard- and software from trading with Cuba? Given the circumstances they have to chose their battles, I guess. It is a miracle how they managed to build up one of the most advanced healthcare systems in Latin America.

By the way, there was a really fascinating AP story [wikipedia.org] about a related US attempt to disrupt this sovereign nation: USAID covertly set up a fake twitter service, complete with shell companies, executives recruited on false pretexts, and so on. It reads like a bad spy novel, until you realize how sad it is that this counts as "development". If these were my taxdollars at work, I'd go see about that pitchfork.

Re:The sheer volume! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46715335)

Yeh. Most western producers, and all US-based (headquartered) companies.

But, don't forget there's also China's Huawei and ZTE out there. Those guys are pretty relevant. We're staying on the telecom side of things, it would mean breaking US export laws to find anything with an Intel or AMD cpu inside, so I'm not talking computers. Phones? sure, if they can afford it.

AFAIK Cuba has a underwater cable linking it to, for one, Venezuela which is pretty easy to guess why, and, from there, teh interwebs.

Re:The sheer volume! (1)

erikkemperman (252014) | about 6 months ago | (#46715443)

True, though Chinese telecom becoming widely available is a recent thing, certainly relative to the decades of sanctions. Also, if a western trade delegation were to put the pressure on, they might decide the most profitable way forward would be to not supply Cuba. I'm not saying this is happening in this instance, but that kind of thing has definitely happened in the past.

Re:The sheer volume! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46715165)

Democracy is noisy and spammy. Get used to it bitches! On a more serious note, when the people are driving cars from 50's, overloading telecoms with a few messages should be considered a crime against humanity!!!

They might be right. (3, Informative)

jcr (53032) | about 6 months ago | (#46712077)

This is the level of brain-dead scheme that the CIA has pulled many times in the past, but it's just as likely that they're just getting overwhelmed by one incompetent spammer with a fat pipe...

-jcr

Re:They might be right. (4, Insightful)

Nyder (754090) | about 6 months ago | (#46712095)

This is the level of brain-dead scheme that the CIA has pulled many times in the past, but it's just as likely that they're just getting overwhelmed by one incompetent spammer with a fat pipe...

-jcr

Not sure how fat of a pipe you need to send roughly 17 text messages a second. But 300k text messages over 5 hours isn't really that much, unless they are going to a small amount of numbers. Must be running some old systems in Cuba.

Re:They might be right. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46712151)

I work at an SMS aggregator. We are the fat pipe. We run at a peak capacity of 2000 messages per second per connection to an operator. Cuba has one operator (officially).

Operators are capable of handling more than we can send, but in that 5 hours we could have flooded their network with 36m messages. 300k is a drop in the bucket.

If we used multiple routes instead of direct to the operator, we could have run hundreds of millions in that same period.

check us out. http://www.cmtelecom.com/why-cm

Re:They might be right. (4, Funny)

michaelwigle (822387) | about 6 months ago | (#46715187)

So what you're saying is you would like an opportunity to bid on the contract the next time the project comes up? ;)

Re:They might be right. (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 6 months ago | (#46715887)

I can see why you posted as AC you spamming cunt.

Re:They might be right. (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 6 months ago | (#46712493)

Not sure how fat of a pipe you need to send roughly 17 text messages a second. But 300k text messages over 5 hours isn't really that much, unless they are going to a small amount of numbers. Must be running some old systems in Cuba.

It's not the size of the pipe, it's the severity of the clog's filth. You grossly underestimate the content of these messages. TFA says some contained political rhetoric written by the CIA. I have quite a few routers that will barf core at the mere smell of partisan politics in the filters, and Cuba is getting weapon's grade bullshit!

Re:They might be right. (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46712149)

If you read the article it's unlikely that it's a spammer. Apparently the USA has actively spammed Cuba in the past under the argument of 'fostering free speech'. We built and distributed programs that are illegal in Cuba. It would be similar to people from Iraqi coming over to the USA and physically forcing as many people as they could to wear headscarfs under the argument of improving our morals. They have no more right to force their values on us as we do to force our values on Cuba's population.

Our government confirms it had these programs. They were stopped due to funding cuts (some funding cuts actually work, yay!). This article isn't about the 300,000 text messages that are known to have been sent by USA back in 2009, but about Cuba's new claim that the USA has refunded and restarted it's spamming efforts. I really hope we're not wasting money on crap like this.

Re:They might be right. (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46712191)

Thanks for trying to post some truth, but between the government astroturf and the useful idiots there is not much chance anyone will pay attention.

Re:They might be right. (1, Interesting)

Pino Grigio (2232472) | about 6 months ago | (#46712299)

It would be similar to people from Iraqi coming over to the USA and physically forcing as many people as they could to wear headscarfs under the argument of improving our morals

I expect you're one of those people who thinks Venezuela's current government is "forging a bold new alternative to neo-liberalism", aren't you.

Re:They might be right. (1)

NotDrWho (3543773) | about 6 months ago | (#46713013)

I, for one, have no illusions about the nobility of Castro or the Venezuelan govt. (or Iran or North Korea, for that matter). But I also am not a fool who think that hundreds of thousands of CIA and NSA employees just sit around all day staring at walls. The CIA has a long, well-established, and VERY shameful history in Cuba (even engaging in open terrorism [wikipedia.org] there).

So you can be sure that pretty much any effort to that undermines the Castro government there is AT LEAST being supported and/or funded by the CIA. Even if this started as a homegrown movement, you can bet that it took about 2 seconds for CIA agents to descend on it with briefcases full of cash and offers of assistance. The U.S. government has a serious hate-on for Castro, and dream of the day they can replace him with a U.S. puppet government. This is just another in a very long line of ploys to further than end.

Re:They might be right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46715615)

Shameful indeed.

In fact, if we would feel silly and applied the principle of goose and gander, then recent doctrine would have it that Cuba could rightfully invade Cuba, or at least direct some drones packing el fuego del infierno in the general direction of Miami, for
harboring [wikipedia.org]
known [wikipedia.org]
terrorists [wikipedia.org] .

Re:They might be right. (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 6 months ago | (#46716127)

I expect you're one of those people who thinks Venezuela's current government is "forging a bold new alternative to neo-liberalism", aren't you.

I certainly do. The GNI per capita has soared since the Bolivarian revolution. Big reduction in poverty. Longer life expectancy. Better access to water. And unlike the USA, the Venezuelan government is running a surplus, not a deficit.

http://translate.google.com/tr... [google.com] |en&tbb=1&ie=UTF-8

Re:They might be right. (1, Insightful)

MightyYar (622222) | about 6 months ago | (#46712579)

The Iraq analogy is pretty flawed, as Iraq would be asserting their morals upon a democratic population. USA's target is an authoritarian government. If you need an Iraq analogy, it would be like the government of Iraq sending people in the US spam SMS messages espousing the virtues of Islam. Annoying, to be sure, but not exactly a breathtaking intrusion on sovereignty.

Re:They might be right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46713381)

This is the most inane post I have read in quite some time and the fact that is rated 5, Interesting is mind boggling. Yes putting characters on a screen that you can ignore or fucking delete is the exact equivalent of forcing people to put clothing articles on your head.

It would take a metric fuck ton of spending cuts to stop the US government from not being able to send less than 1GB of traffic to Cuba.

Re:They might be right. (1)

NotDrWho (3543773) | about 6 months ago | (#46712863)

I want to know what's so bizarre about "Cuban officials accusing the U.S. government of bizarre plots over the years, such as trying to kill Fidel Castro with exploding cigars." I think the CIA's many, many efforts to assasinate Castro over the years have been well-documented [wikipedia.org] . An exploding cigar would be no less bizarre than many of the attempts we already know about.

Meatloaf's kernel contributions fix this? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46712081)

I thought Meatloaf's recent contributions to the Linux scheduler solved this problem? I have to say I've never been a fan of his music but he is a very talented programmer.

The amusing thing is... (1, Flamebait)

Viol8 (599362) | about 6 months ago | (#46712105)

.. that the Cuban government still think the US gives a damn about their 3rd world Island apart from Guantanamo Bay. Since the USSR collapsed its been pretty irrelevant in the scheme of things other than a source of refugees and comedy revolutionaries in green slacks with silly beards.

Re:The amusing thing is... (4, Interesting)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 6 months ago | (#46712133)

They are hardly a dangerous player in Cold War intrigue anymore; but I wouldn't necessarily underestimate the supply of nostalgic B-list and below feds just itching to go fight the last war, now set to 'casual' difficulty level.

Unless they truly fuck something up, people just keep accruing seniority until they die or finally become too senile to disguise their senility. We still have some years left before we've aged out all the cold warriors.

Re:The amusing thing is... (1)

Viol8 (599362) | about 6 months ago | (#46712161)

True, you'll always get people still fighting old wars whether left or right wing. But as the years go by they slowly slip into irrelevance and die off. However unless Putin suddenly decides Cuba is his new best friend - unlikely - its importance in world affairs is only going to go further and further down the list.

Irrelevance... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46715621)

Which is why they have to jump every so often and scream that "That big old evil US is being mean to us!!!" again. Keeps them in the news and people's minds.

Think about some of the older movie and music stars or even those who just haven't been active recently, every so often they are involved in a "scandel" to keep themselves in the news. Free publicity.

Re:The amusing thing is... (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 6 months ago | (#46716469)

Russia is still a close friend of Cuba. But don't forget that China is too. And they are heading towards being the worlds biggest superpower.

Re:The amusing thing is... (3, Interesting)

romco (61131) | about 6 months ago | (#46712503)

>feds just itching to go fight the last war

I don't think the feds want to go to war. Cuba is communist and parts of it work. (like health care for the amount they spend). If they lifted the embargo and stop messing with them they could become a very successful communist country.

The success would be more due to them being a great tourist location and less because they are communist but the right wing is simply not going to tolerate a successful communist county if they can do anything about it.

Re:The amusing thing is... (1)

WormholeFiend (674934) | about 6 months ago | (#46712601)

"...a great tourist location..."

Have you been there?

Some of the beaches are very very nice, but most hotels are *very* average, and the food, while adequate, is meh-level at best.

That is why it's one of, if not THE cheapest all-inclusive destinations in the Caribbean.

Re:The amusing thing is... (1)

ThatAblaze (1723456) | about 6 months ago | (#46712951)

Sure, right now. But I have no doubt that if all the "off limits" stuff dissipated tomorrow it would be neigh on 5 years before 5 star hotels and brand new sandy beaches with golf courses popped up.

Re:The amusing thing is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46714803)

Sure, right now. But I have no doubt that if all the "off limits" stuff dissipated tomorrow it would be neigh on 5 years before 5 star hotels and brand new sandy beaches with golf courses popped up.

Is that the "offf limits" stuff that blockades food and medicine to the children of Cuba? You know, the food and medicine that americans don't want Cuba to give to their kids. The kids that weren't even alive in the 60s and 70s.

I used to think it was american government that was evil but government is created by people and is just the embodiment of what people want. Maybe american people really are evil.

Re:The amusing thing is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46715209)

" I wouldn't necessarily underestimate the supply of nostalgic B-list and below feds just itching to go fight the last war, now set to 'casual' difficulty level.

Unless they truly fuck something up, people just keep accruing seniority until they die or finally become too senile to disguise their senility. We still have some years left before we've aged out all the cold warriors."

    But what about the Cubans?

Re:The amusing thing is... (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 6 months ago | (#46712237)

Don't underestimate the PR power Cuba still holds. If you can show that you're a badass mofo who won't take a shit from Cuba and take every chance to piss them off, your chance to get elected rise considerably in certain areas of the US.

Re:The amusing thing is... (1)

BitZtream (692029) | about 6 months ago | (#46712417)

That time is rapidly disappearing, all the old Cubans who Castor ousted and fled to the US are dying or dead, just like Castro. The money to politicians from them is also dying. As such, our giving a shit about Cuba ... rapidly dying as well.

Re:The amusing thing is... (2)

DriveDog (822962) | about 6 months ago | (#46713553)

Finally somebody's getting at what's behind all the meddling in Cuba. Virulent anti-Castro Cuban ex-pats hold a lot of political sway, and giving them what they want doesn't annoy many other US citizens. So they get what they want because the cost to politicians is near zero. Never mind that Cuba isn't the falling domino threatening to take the rest of Latin America to communism that it was thought to be 50 years ago and really has little effect on anyone outside its borders. Sure, there are a few dinosaurs and misadventurers in the US government or three-letter-agencies, but they wouldn't get funding if it weren't for the ex-pats' influence. Shouldn't funds go instead to countering real threats like Bermuda, the Canaries, and Palmyra?

Re:The amusing thing is... (4, Insightful)

jandersen (462034) | about 6 months ago | (#46712467)

Another, perhaps less amusing thing is that the US actually do care; at least as long as there is a noisy group of displaced, Cuban voters to please.

Re:The amusing thing is... (4, Insightful)

Johann Lau (1040920) | about 6 months ago | (#46712481)

The idiotic thing is that you think "the US" is a monolith, instead of a bunch of agencies made up by people, with plenty of incentive to use tax payer money for useless or even counterproductive things, like attacking Iraq in response to 9/11, or killing kids with drones. If anything, "The US" isn't in the business of dealing with threats, it's in the business of creating them while talking about mushroom clouds and fucking its own population as it jumps on chairs in fear of imaginary mice; and the population responds with hollow chauvinistic sound bites aimed about other populations to make itself feel better about it. You're pinned to the floor, get fleeced for everything of value you got, and scream "ahhh! sweet victory!" because it's even worse elsewhere. Fucking pathetic.

Re:The amusing thing is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46714707)

Okay, not mice. But a rat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdFF5C3ZR_I

Re:The amusing thing is... (1)

Plumpaquatsch (2701653) | about 6 months ago | (#46712701)

.. that the Cuban government still think the US gives a damn about their 3rd world Island apart from Guantanamo Bay.

It cares enough that the embargo is still in full force.

Yeah, those pretentious Cubans! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46712931)

Those silly Cubans, believing that just because you try to murder their president, you actually care. Huh. AS IF. Sheesh. Nobodies.

Re:The amusing thing is... (3, Insightful)

Zontar_Thing_From_Ve (949321) | about 6 months ago | (#46713305)

.. that the Cuban government still think the US gives a damn about their 3rd world Island apart from Guantanamo Bay. Since the USSR collapsed its been pretty irrelevant in the scheme of things other than a source of refugees and comedy revolutionaries in green slacks with silly beards.

Well, the problem is that there are some people who do care and their influence is way out of whack with regards to their actual numbers. There are a small number of members of the US House and Senate who are offspring of Cuban refugees and they have a lot of influence. The younger generation of people who immigrated many years ago has little interest in continuing the embargo, but there are still enough of the old hardcore anti-Castro people in Florida that no president is willing to undo the embargo for fear of the next presidential election going against his party. Florida is a hotly contested state that gives a very thin majority to whoever wins it in the presidential elections. Florida has a lot of electoral votes. So if you piss off, say, 40 or 50 thousand voters who care a lot (maybe too much) about the Castro brothers and Cuba, you could lose the next presidential election. So the president never has the courage to drop the embargo as either he or his party's next candidate will face angry voters in the next presidential election and it could be enough to decide the race in favor of the other party. It's rather remarkable to see an entire country held hostage to the whims of a really small group of people over one issue, but that's exactly how it is here.

Re:The amusing thing is... (1)

jodido (1052890) | about 6 months ago | (#46713421)

If that's true, then why is the blockade still in place (and it's real, btw)? Why can't U.S. residents travel freely to Cuba? Why can't Cubans easily get US visas to travel here (from the US govt, not the Cuban govt)? Why is it illegal to send money to a Cuban in Cuba?

Re:The amusing thing is... (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 6 months ago | (#46716169)

The amusing thing is that the Cuban government still think the US gives a damn about their 3rd world Island apart from Guantanamo Bay.

If they didn't, the US government wouldn't still be depriving their own citizens of the right to smoke Cuban cigars. Nor implementing any of the other severe economic sanctions (economic war).

CIA uses propaganda??? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46712127)

Well fuck me sideways....

Re:CIA uses propaganda??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46712517)

Not only do they still use propaganda, but judging by the spam in my inbox they are apparently after me too. Also, they want me to think negatively about the size of my penis compared to that of a huge, bulbous American penis.

Bizzare Plots (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46712141)

"bizarre plots over the years"...Yes, the CIA has tried many stupid ideas to get the "radical leader"...exploding cigars, poison diving suits given as a gift, cancer virus, to name a few. Can't we all just get along, smoke wonderful cigars, drink rum and lay on the beach?

Re:Bizzare Plots (0)

some old guy (674482) | about 6 months ago | (#46712157)

Not as long as Monsanto, Dole, Cargill, and ADM see Cuban agriculture as too much potential competition.

Re:Bizzare Plots (1)

cold fjord (826450) | about 6 months ago | (#46712843)

You seem to have a very simple model of the world. Simple, and wrong.

Re:Bizzare Plots (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46713367)

As opposed to your complicated one, that is just as wrong?

Re:Bizzare Plots (1)

cold fjord (826450) | about 6 months ago | (#46716311)

There is a meaningful and useful difference between a painting of a clock and a clock that runs 5 minutes fast.

Re:Bizzare Plots (1)

Plumpaquatsch (2701653) | about 6 months ago | (#46712733)

"bizarre plots over the years"...Yes, the CIA has tried many stupid ideas to get the "radical leader"...exploding cigars, poison diving suits given as a gift, cancer virus, to name a few. Can't we all just get along, smoke wonderful cigars, drink rum and lay on the beach?

I don't know what is more worrisome: that the CIA actually tried these things - or that each one failed.

Re:Bizzare Plots (1)

DriveDog (822962) | about 6 months ago | (#46713665)

Plots... the funniest of which was the powder-in-the-shoes-to-make-the-beard-fall-out. Exploding conch shells were in the works, too, I suppose for if the poison diving suit didn't work.

As far as the pleasures, don't forget cruising around in the convertible '59 Cadillac.

Napalm would be more effective (1)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | about 6 months ago | (#46712153)

It would take care of Fidel's beard once and for all.

Re:Napalm would be more effective (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46715777)

The US can't physically attack Cuba without breaching the agreement signed to end the Missile Crisis. Breaching treaties is not something countries take lightly as it makes other countries less likely to trust them. The power the anti-Castro people in Miami hold is not near enough to break a treaty like that.

Accused? We planned to do it. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46712169)

We had all kinds of crazy ideas for killing Castro. 10 Ways the CIA tried to kill Castro [mentalfloss.com]

Re:Accused? We planned to do it. (1)

jandersen (462034) | about 6 months ago | (#46712491)

- paid for by the tax-payer.

I like no 5:

5. Contaminated cigar. They may have given up on the TNT stogie, but the idea of spiking his smokes was still being floated around. The CIA even went as far as to recruit a double agent who would slip Castro a cigar filled with botulin, a toxin that would kill the leader in short order. The double agent was allegedly given the cigars in February of 1961, but he apparently got cold feet.

Cold feet, or maybe he was just dying for a smoke.

Snowden (1)

Tom (822) | about 6 months ago | (#46712241)

The crazy thing is that with what we've learnt about the US the past years, and the governments total disregard for anything besides their own power, I'm not really sure if these claims are as outlandish as they sound.

I think we've come a good way when we no longer think that the claims of the crazy are untrue just because they sound crazy.

And yes, the volumes given are so tiny that it could very well be something that some agency discovered on their TODO list under the "do when you've got a minute" section.

Tom = multiple /. sockpuppet using scum (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46712363)

Let's let TOM speak shall we:

"I'm having great conversations on this site with one of my alias accounts" - by Tom (822) on Monday April 07, 2014 @02:29PM (#46686259) Homepage

FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

BY THE WAY TOM: Using your sockpuppet fake /. registered luser accounts to downmod the 1st time I posted this, trying to *vainly* & effetely "hide it", since it serves in exposing you?

Weak -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

AND

As was said there regarding your post I am replying to?

It also explains your +5 up mod on that post of yours I replied to there exposing you in this...!

(Easy to get using YOUR sockpuppets, admittedly, to mod up your other registered account posts too, isn't it? Yes, it is -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] )

It's going to be reposted again, anyhow - have fun blowing your modpoints, which you'll run DRY of, & then I'll just post it again... lol (I always, win).

APK

P.S.=> Tom *tried* to libel me & failed after I destroyed him in a technical debate on hosts files... result?

Tom ended up "eating his words" here http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] spiced with "the bitter taste of SELF-defeat" + HIS FOOT IN HIS MOUTH

... apk

Re:Tom = multiple /. sockpuppet using scum (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46712505)

Get help. If not for your own sake, for the sake of the people who love you, or would, if you just stopped being a hateful nutter. Every word you think you are saying about others ultimately is about you, and your words speak of a lot of frustration. The more you rage to distract from it, the more clearly it is written on your forehead. You are fooling nobody but yourself. Get help.

Re:Tom = multiple /. sockpuppet using scum (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46712707)

I can't blame apk for naming and shaming Tom with his own admissions. He had it coming. It takes a truly low individual to mod himself up with sock puppets as Tom obviously does (and to mod down opponents of his that get the best of him by the same token, using sock puppet fake slashdot accounts).

Re:Tom = multiple /. sockpuppet using scum (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46712753)

Things don't become "obvious" just because they get repeated without any evidence. Furthermore, if you care about moderation on slashdot, you're nuts, too. Get help.

Re:Tom = multiple /. sockpuppet using scum (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46712797)

Good evidence to what apk said (Tom's said it) http://news.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org] and since Tom uses sock puppets he probaby up mods his own posts too, as a logical conclusion (and uses them to gang up on his opponents as well).

Re:Tom = multiple /. sockpuppet using scum (0)

Tom (822) | about 6 months ago | (#46716823)

Please don't feed my troll.

I'm serious. He has serious mental issues and everything you write to him only adds oil to the fire, no matter how well-meaning it is. People with mental problems don't read your words the way your write them. It takes a professional to even talk to them.

Re:Tom = multiple /. sockpuppet using scum (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46712553)

Didn't someone out APK as Jeremiah Cornelius (137) [slashdot.org] a while back?

Re:Tom = multiple /. sockpuppet using scum (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46712751)

Jeremiah Cornelius impersonated apk (whose name's on this post) http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] when JC was taking old posts of apk's and altering them too to do so.

Re:Tom = multiple /. sockpuppet using scum (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46716057)

Didn't someone out APK as Jeremiah Cornelius (137) [slashdot.org] a while back?

Not that I can recall. But I hear that someone very recently outed APK as APK [slashdot.org] .

And JC's trolls are MUCH classier than that, in any case. :D

Re:Snowden (1)

oodaloop (1229816) | about 6 months ago | (#46712407)

Whoah, you've got your own crazy stalker. That's so awesome. I wish I was that popular!

Re:Snowden (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46712773)

1 of Tom's sockpuppets are you? http://news.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org]

Re:Snowden (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46712875)

I've had multiple after me. It's less fun than you might think.

Re:Snowden (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46713037)

Did you have it coming? Tom does imo http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

Re:Snowden (1)

Tom (822) | about 6 months ago | (#46716593)

It gets old quite fast. But I think he's going to go away soon, he's already started simply copying the same nonsense post everywhere.

Anyway, if you want him, you can have him. :-)

Re:Snowden (1)

BitZtream (692029) | about 6 months ago | (#46712425)

The funny thing is that people seem to think the US is the only one doing this. The US isn't unique, its just the one that most recently got caught.

Cuba tries the same thing ... they just kind of such at it, relative to the US.

All countries do, except maybe the Scandinavian countries, but lets face it, they're still trying to figure out why they haven't moved to somewhere with a sane climate.

Tom = multiple /. sockpuppet using scum (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46712955)

Let's let TOM speak shall we:

"I'm having great conversations on this site with one of my alias accounts" - by Tom (822) on Monday April 07, 2014 @02:29PM (#46686259) Homepage

FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

APK

P.S.=> Tom *tried* to libel me & failed after I destroyed him in a technical debate on hosts files... result?

Tom ended up "eating his words" here http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] spiced with "the bitter taste of SELF-defeat" + HIS FOOT IN HIS MOUTH

... apk

Re:Tom = multiple /. sockpuppet using scum (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46712991)

Good Job apk. Tom's frustrated into minus modding you http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] for naming and shaming him publicly for his use of fake slashdot registered account sockpuppets for trolling others and up modding his own posts as well as minus modidng his opponents who get the better of him as you did.

if i was in charge of an island nation (1)

FudRucker (866063) | about 6 months ago | (#46712333)

i would disconnect the nation from the rest of the world and turn the nation's internet connection in to a nationwide Local Area Network, so the people of my nation can communicate with each other by the various methods (audio, video, text) and have a few world wide connected computers that filter out all the spam and malware, and once checked it can be circulated on the national LAN.

Re:if i was in charge of an island nation (2)

BitZtream (692029) | about 6 months ago | (#46712429)

Filtered... nice.

North Korea, Iran, Syria ... is that you guys?

Re:if i was in charge of an island nation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46712615)

You missed out the UK.

Re:if i was in charge of an island nation (1)

EasyTarget (43516) | about 6 months ago | (#46713261)

And Australia,
Plus pretty much all European states, China, and the rest of Asia, all the old-school Feudal middle eastern western 'allies', and Western/Chinese puppet governments in Africa.

And lets not forget that without net-neutrality the US is hardly providing equal access to any thought not being backed by big money.

Re:if i was in charge of an island nation (1)

FudRucker (866063) | about 6 months ago | (#46712933)

unless you consider spam, government propaganda disguised as news, NSA snooping trojans & root-kits, theft of data for their criminal friends on wallstreet and military-industrial complex as freedom of speech

what passes as freedom of speech in the USA is about like considering a rape a sexual encounter among consenting adults

Re:if i was in charge of an island nation (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 6 months ago | (#46712511)

Waiting weeks or years to get the next episode of shows airing right now without a .torrent? A few well crafted spoiler tweets gets through and you'd be gutted and roasting like a pig.

Oh Noes!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46712337)

This means the US has been attacking me for decades and I didn't even realize it. My bad.

Don't take it personally, Cuba... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46712355)

They've been doing this to every other country, too.

300k/s for 5 hours? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46712535)

they probably meant 300,000/s for 5 hours? typo?

Hmmm this sounds familiar (1)

gillrock (517577) | about 6 months ago | (#46712537)

Didn't we do something similar to the Taliban involving telemarketers after 9/11?

kinda weird... (1)

Connie_Lingus (317691) | about 6 months ago | (#46712703)

my dad was Cuban...came over in '59 when Castro came to power, and made a really good life for himself.

funny thing is...he loved spam...said it was really popular over there.

go figure.

Amazing. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46713277)

They must use speaker wire for their data cables. :)

USA v Cuba (1)

GT66 (2574287) | about 6 months ago | (#46714005)

And yet, the bureaucrats and SJWs will scratch their heads in wonder at why average Americans have such a cavalier attitude towards bullying.

fun fact (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about 6 months ago | (#46714191)

I believe the US sends about 4% of the world's volume of spam, depending on how you measure it. So um...no.

the big question is why do we care? (1)

nimbius (983462) | about 6 months ago | (#46714445)

American foreign policy has been, and continues to exist, on autopilot. the kind of 'hearts-and-minds' democracy predates the carter administration and was originally pushed as part of a diet of secret military coups, sponsored terrorist campaigns, and random acts of embargo designed to pressure communist and socialist governments in latin america toward democracy. the people we would install were usually brutally dictatorial.

the problem is Cuba has watched us do this for quite some time, and become seriously good at identifying and stamping out any of our attempts to topple leadership or foster civil unrest. The only reason we were scared of castro when he had nuclear arms wasnt because he was a madman, but because our shenannigans could now be met with scorched earth instead of populism and pocket resistance.

we are and continue to be on autopilot because the people who run our government, the plutocracy behind the politicians, is utterly mortified at the idea of alternative theories of government that distribute wealth. the US government in turn does what it can now as a fading superpower to appease its cloistered elite, which is apparently so pointless as to involve irritating SMS traffic.

what cuba could do in turn if it seriously wanted to agitate america, and it does not, is liberate the Guantanamo Bay detention center and nationalize its prisoners.

Cuba? (2)

snemiro (1775092) | about 6 months ago | (#46714531)

Still with that? Obviously big fishes are pocketing tons of taxpayers money with this scam.....and those guys will never cut the flow, on both sides of the story. Reality is, no govt really cares about the people.
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