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CSIRO Scientists' Aquaculture Holy Grail: Fish-Free Prawn Food

timothy posted about 4 months ago | from the sweet-sweet-prawn dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "A team of CSIRO scientists has discovered the holy grail of aquaculture by developing the world's first fish-free prawn food: Novaq. According to the article there is intense global interest in Novaq because it solves one of the farmed prawn industry's biggest problems — its reliance on wild fisheries as a core ingredient in prawn food. The Novaq formula is a closely guarded secret, but it is known that the product is based on microscopic marine organisms. Not only will the new feed introduce greater sustainability into a growth industry but prawns fed on the new diet grow 40% faster and are healthier and more robust."

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An anonymous reader writes (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46731841)

An anonymous reader writes... an awfully good Slavertisment. CSIRO is *extremely* proficient at "monetizing" their patent portfolio, every bit as good as any patent troll out there.

I wonder who "anonymous reader" works for...

Re:An anonymous reader writes (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46731869)

The scientists are prawn stars. You're welcome.

Re:An anonymous reader writes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46732979)

Someone's fishing for a high score.

Re:An anonymous reader writes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46733137)

you took the bait , hook line and sinker.

Re:An anonymous reader writes (1)

ComputersKai (3499237) | about 4 months ago | (#46735947)

We should dolphinitely scale back on the fish puns.

Re:An anonymous reader writes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46736019)

I've haddock enough!

Re:An anonymous reader writes (5, Insightful)

sjwt (161428) | about 4 months ago | (#46732297)

Except the CSIRO dose the actual development, its not suing ppl for having rounded corners, monetizing your invention that new is what the patent system is for

Re:An anonymous reader writes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46732307)

dose? ppl? You sound stupid.

Re:An anonymous reader writes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46733351)

dose? ppl? You sound stupid.

nuh-uh YOU DO!

Re:An anonymous reader writes (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46732311)

It's KNEW not new in the context you give. You are stupid.

Re:An anonymous reader writes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46732961)

Let me go call someone that cares about your opinion .... no ... wait ... looks like they aren't available. While we try to find someone that cares about the brainfart masquerading as opinion you posted how about you go outside and play hide and go fuck yourself. kthxbai

Re:An anonymous reader writes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46732737)

You sir/madam/etc are in contention for Twit of the Year 2014! Congratulations for a stunning leap of illogical crap in one brief post. Please feel free to research more about CSIRO and their work at a later date.

Not very secret (5, Funny)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 4 months ago | (#46731847)

The Novaq formula is a closely guarded secret

Whenever anyone says that the answer is always the same...

Novaq is made out of PEOPLE!

Re:Not very secret (1)

jayhawk88 (160512) | about 4 months ago | (#46731907)

Which really isn't that scandelous, since prawns are crustaceans and very comfortable eating dead matter.

Re:Not very secret (4, Funny)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 4 months ago | (#46731927)

Which really isn't that scandelous, since prawns are crustaceans

Er, Novaq is made out of PRAWNS!

Not quite as impactful though, probably not even to a prawn.

Re:Not very secret (5, Funny)

deek (22697) | about 4 months ago | (#46732227)

My kingdom for mod points!

Whatever this Novaq thing is, it sure sounds tasty. I say we cut the middle-prawn out, and make Novaq a spreadable condiment for toast.

Come to think of it, Australians already do consume something suspiciously similar. I believe it's called Vegemite.

Re:Not very secret (2)

lagomorpha2 (1376475) | about 4 months ago | (#46732929)

My kingdom for mod points!

Whatever this Novaq thing is, it sure sounds tasty. I say we cut the middle-prawn out, and make Novaq a spreadable condiment for toast.

Come to think of it, Australians already do consume something suspiciously similar. I believe it's called Vegemite.

I wonder if humans fed on Novaq grow 40% faster and are healthier and more robust

Re:Not very secret (1)

lgw (121541) | about 4 months ago | (#46732271)

Hahaha, pure awesome. Now I'm trying to picture a prawn Charlton Heston.

Re:Not very secret (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46732333)

Hahaha, pure awesome. Now I'm trying to picture a prawn Charlton Heston.

That wouldn't be very impressive. He'd be kind of a shrimp.

Re:Not very secret (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46732011)

...and very comfortable eating dead matter.

Last I checked, pretty much all humans I know are comfortable eating dead matter as well.

Re:Not very secret (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 4 months ago | (#46732169)

Quite so, but very few are really comfortable eating living matter. Yuck!

Re:Not very secret (4, Funny)

aevan (903814) | about 4 months ago | (#46732233)

Dunno... nothing beats the taste of a succulent apple, still quivering on the branch...


"How do you prefer your salad?"
"Still photosynthesizing".

Re:Not very secret (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46732467)

I always make my gummybears act with made up voices before I eat them. They taste so much better if they seem a bit more alive.

Re:Not very secret (1)

Nidi62 (1525137) | about 4 months ago | (#46735027)

I eat the legs off first so it can't run away, then the arms so it can't fight back, then I eat the head off then finally the body. Done it that way since I was a kid.

Re:Not very secret (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46732977)

I don't know about you, but everything I eat is dead. Hamburgers, pizza, peanut butter, milk - all dead. None of it alive or moving or anything.

So I'm not sure what your point is about crustaceans.

Re:Not very secret (1)

quantaman (517394) | about 4 months ago | (#46731913)

I don't see a problem.

As long as the people aren't fed on wild fish it should be sustainable.

Re:Not very secret (3, Interesting)

Karmashock (2415832) | about 4 months ago | (#46731931)

They gave it up when they said it was made from micro organisms... Its plankton.

Sea Monkeys! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46732305)

aka brine shrimp, but 'Sea Monkey' sounds better.

Re:Sea Monkeys! (2)

Karmashock (2415832) | about 4 months ago | (#46733637)

It might be a freshwater version of the same thing... so not brine... but yeah.

Re:Not very secret (1)

lagomorpha2 (1376475) | about 4 months ago | (#46732937)

They gave it up when they said it was made from micro organisms... Its plankton.

So Soylent Novaq really is shrimp!

Re:Not very secret (3, Insightful)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 4 months ago | (#46734587)

So, instead of harvesting wild fish to feed the farmed fish, we harvest the wild plankton that feed the wild fish that we don't want to kill.

Yes, you eliminate the middleman (middlefish?) but you are farming just the same. Ecologically, you are stomping on the food chain at a lower level which can cause even bigger issues. Lots and lots of things in the ocean (including the ocean bottom itself) feed on plankton.

Whatcouldpossiblygowrong?

Re:Not very secret (2)

Karmashock (2415832) | about 4 months ago | (#46735141)

I think the plankton can be farmed as well and fed on some sort of cultivated feed stock.

Re:Not very secret (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 4 months ago | (#46735325)

You would think so, they're just wee critters, but one gets the feeling from TFA that this is the secret sauce.

As usual, not enough info to go on. Too busy to research it further. It's not raining and my boat needs (more) work.

Re:Not very secret (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46732141)

Or mad cows and sheep... what could go wrong?

SOYlent green IS PEOPLE (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46732345)

soylent green is people!!!!!!!
TRAgic that i cannot use the caps for that

Re:Not very secret (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46732595)

Best Charity make you feel guilty begging advert Announcing voice) X is a young prawn x is starving , Your average fat American will feed a family of prawns for a year, please donate an unwanted fat American now.

Re:Not very secret (1)

geekmux (1040042) | about 4 months ago | (#46732681)

The Novaq formula is a closely guarded secret

Whenever anyone says that the answer is always the same...

Novaq is made out of PEOPLE!

Dude, c'mon, that is sooooo 1970's.

It's made out of GMO these days. Get with the times man.

Soylent Shrimp (1)

sysrammer (446839) | about 4 months ago | (#46735605)

by Hrry Hrrsn

Only reliance on old fisheries? (1)

ruir (2709173) | about 4 months ago | (#46731857)

There must be a joke somewhere...this is saying like cows only eat grass. They feed rations, antibiotics and I believe manure to your prawns raised mostly in Asia. And then there are large problems of infertile soil, because in the fertile season they cultivate rice, in the other times of the year, they put in the land salted water/water with salt to raise shrimp. This seems a slashadvertisement.

Re:Only reliance on old fisheries? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46731871)

See the very first comment (lower your threshold).

Re:Only reliance on old fisheries? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46731915)

I use iPad and this threshold slider is broken. It's not touch interface friendly.

Re:Only reliance on old fisheries? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46732243)

Get a fucking computer

Re:Only reliance on old fisheries? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46731875)

I don't eat prawns, so I wouldn't know.

Re:Only reliance on old fisheries? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46731895)

Things get simpler down the food chain. There's less of a complex genome creating over-engineered organs everywhere.

Crustaceans are about as simple as a complex machine can get. They don't require a wide range of stuff to eat, but what they do eat and live in has to be a certain temperature because that's what they've evolved to.

time... (3, Informative)

harvey the nerd (582806) | about 4 months ago | (#46731889)

....will tell as to the "superiority" of these prawns. For those of us that grew up with the "superiority" of margarine over butter, high carb foods over paleo etc I'm willing to watch for 5-10 years first, see what the food chemistry and real problems turn out to be.

Re:time... (1)

SourceFrog (627014) | about 4 months ago | (#46733321)

It'll be liked any mass-produced variant, lower-quality but cheaper. It's probably some concoction of 30% HFCS combined with growth hormones and antibiotics. This is likely very comparable to how grass-fed beef is healthier for you (and the cow), but more expensive to farm.

Re:time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46733773)

Let me guess... you have NO idea about fish nutrition, if you are suggesting that high-fructose corn syrup is used in formulations for fish feeds.

Protip: most of the fish we eat are carnivores, so their tolerance to high-carbohydrate diets is rather low.

Nice Timing (2)

enter to exit (1049190) | about 4 months ago | (#46731911)

With our boorish, straight-from-central-casting "conservative" government planning to cut all spending in the upcoming budget, this comes at a perfect time. Traditionally the CSIRO and the ABC are the ones who get f-ed over first - it's an easy cut as no one cares.

The cynical side of me can't help wondering how much of this is a (likely fruitless) attempt to fight against the likely budget cuts.

The way they're touting it, it feels to good to be true.

Cuts are coming no matter who is in power (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46732165)

See Detroit if you want to start understanding why Republicans are irrelevant to cuts happening.

When you run out of other people's money, things get cut. That's just how life works. Republicans are just trying to ease the shock of a natural effect, but if you want to make it more painful later go right ahead - you aren't the ones prepared for the painful shock. While millions die in cities the Mormons for instance are sitting on a years supply of food for every family in Utah. So they will simply take over the remnants of what is left...

So basically the Republicans are trying to save you from Mormon rule, but you seem to WANT to be ruled by Mormons. I mean they are nice and all but it just doesn't seem appealing to me.

Re:Cuts are coming no matter who is in power (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 4 months ago | (#46732183)

Well, if they have food and we have none, there is only one question that needs answering: Who has more/the bigger guns?

Re:Cuts are coming no matter who is in power (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46732451)

Mormons have a plan. Republicans will just let everyone starve. Seems like an obvious choice.

Re:Cuts are coming no matter who is in power (1)

blackpaw (240313) | about 4 months ago | (#46732653)

WTF? you do realise this is an article about Australian research?

Re:Cuts are coming no matter who is in power (1)

sysrammer (446839) | about 4 months ago | (#46735637)

This is hilarious

Bugs? (4, Interesting)

StefanJ (88986) | about 4 months ago | (#46731939)

There was an interesting piece on Radiolab* last year about some guys who'd found an protein-rich insect whose larva at almost anything, including agricultural waste and pig manure. They reduced the amount of waste that had to be dealt with and result in copious quantities of nutritious bug flesh.

One of the suggested uses was food for farmed fish.

* I think . . . I'm having trouble finding the segment in the archives.

Re:Bugs? (1)

Nethead (1563) | about 4 months ago | (#46732151)

Hell, give me that on a ball of rice with some wasabi, let me dip it in soy, I'll eat it. Google knows that I've eaten worse and stranger, and paid good money for it.

Simpsons did it (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 4 months ago | (#46732187)

Remember the ribwich? "Think smaller, and more legs."

Re:Bugs? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46732259)

Black Soldier Flies

Re:Bugs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46732349)

chris christie

Jewish (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46732459)

Prawns are not Kosher, can't be eaten by Jews. Some say is is because the prawns scavenge.
So Jews cant have a Lobster either.So saw Pig meat by pigs whose feet never touch the ground can be eaten (raised on wood planks).
So maybe now maggot or krill raised prawns will pass a rabbi's blessing and we can finally have seafood on the Easter menu.

Re:Jewish (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46732719)

Bloomberg, Zuckerberg, Shuttleworth... We are being overrun by Jews, you better hide before they find out you're a Nazi.

Don't worry (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46731965)

The environmentalists will still find a way to hate it, regardless of whether or not it's actually good for the environment.

Re:Don't worry (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46734271)

The feminists will hate it too, because "OMG pr0n!!!1!1!!"

Just like food, your food itself is what it eats. (5, Insightful)

hey! (33014) | about 4 months ago | (#46731983)

We think of fish is heart healthy, but fin fish don't produce omega-3 fatty acids; they bioaccumulate Omega 3s produced by the algae at the bottom of the food chain. Farm-raised fin fish may or may not have a healthy fat profile based on their diet. Grass fed beef has a healthier fat profile than grain fed beef, as well as containing useful phyotchemical (chemicals from plants) like carotenoids. Same goes for pork; lard from pasture raised pigs is relatively high in mono- and poly-unsaturated fats.

The pattern seems to be that the best thing to feed an animal is something that approximates that species' natural food in the wild. So I'm skeptical of a secret, proprietary, industrially produced feed. It's not necessarily a bad thing, particularly if it's just a matter of skipping a few trophic levels (i.e., feeding the animal something prepared from stuff that's lower on its natural prey's food chain). Aquaculture needs something like that. The world's population demands more seafood than can be wild caught. But I'm not enthusiastic about buying meat from animals raised on mystery food.

Re:Just like food, your food itself is what it eat (1)

dbIII (701233) | about 4 months ago | (#46732003)

It looks like the secret is to feed them vat fed plankton instead of similar or identical species of the wild plankton they normally eat - which was apparently much hard than that sounds. The big deal is it means a more reliable supply.

Re:Just like food, your food itself is what it eat (1)

rsborg (111459) | about 4 months ago | (#46732461)

It looks like the secret is to feed them vat fed plankton instead of similar or identical species of the wild plankton they normally eat - which was apparently much hard than that sounds. The big deal is it means a more reliable supply.

So is the vat-fed plankton as healthy as the wild stuff? Because if not, then the unhealthy part of that diet will exist in the farmed prawn. Basically take the GPP's argument "Just like food, your food itself is what it eats. " and follow that down the food chain.

Re:Just like food, your food itself is what it eat (2)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 4 months ago | (#46732637)

So is the vat-fed plankton as healthy as the wild stuff?

Sure, why wouldn't it be? It may well be different. The problem is that plankton is in trouble [uri.edu] . Algae is facing the same challenge.

Re:Just like food, your food itself is what it eat (1)

Rich0 (548339) | about 4 months ago | (#46732857)

It looks like the secret is to feed them vat fed plankton instead of similar or identical species of the wild plankton they normally eat - which was apparently much hard than that sounds. The big deal is it means a more reliable supply.

So is the vat-fed plankton as healthy as the wild stuff? Because if not, then the unhealthy part of that diet will exist in the farmed prawn. Basically take the GPP's argument "Just like food, your food itself is what it eats. " and follow that down the food chain.

Well, since nobody knows what is in it, it is hard to say. I suggest a wait-and-see approach, but testing the resulting fish does make sense.

A challenge here is we really don't have a good understanding of what foods are or aren't healthy, or what makes them that way. You can talk about Omega 3s and all that, but there isn't a lot of outcomes data on Omega 3s, when trials are done there are many different kinds of Omega 3s so it is hard to compare them to products you can actually buy, and we have no idea what the Omega 3s are actually doing (though there are theories).

Omega 3s are actually one of the better-understood dietary ingredients - for most other foods we know even less about what is good/bad for you. Oh sure, everybody has their pet theories and there are TONS of advice floating around. The problem is that you can't lock people in cages and feed them controlled diets in a blinded fashion while keeping them from drinking/smoking/etc, so it is really hard to know just what it is that makes people gain weight at some times and lose it at others, and develop diabetes.

Reliance (-1)

DarwinSurvivor (1752106) | about 4 months ago | (#46732025)

A team of CSIRO scientists has discovered the holy grail of aquaculture by developing the world's first fish-free prawn food: According to the article there is intense global interest in Novaq because it solves one of the farmed prawn industry's biggest problems — its reliance on wild fisheries as a core ingredient in prawn food. The Novaq formula is a closely guarded secret, but it is known that the product is based on microscopic marine organisms. Not only will the new feed introduce greater sustainability into a growth industry but prawns fed on the new diet grow 40% faster and are healthier and more robust.

Don't worry prawn farmers, now you'll only be reliant on CSIRO.

Seriously, who green-lighted this advertisement?

Re:Reliance (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46732193)

Do you even know who the CSIRO [csiro.au] is?
I doubt they will be manufacturing this themselves, just licensing it to others. This is a good thing for Australia given the Axe the prime minister has taken to their budget.

Re:Reliance (1, Interesting)

Opportunist (166417) | about 4 months ago | (#46732203)

Unless there's a lot of prawn farmers hanging out at /., I'd say it's failed ad targeting. If anything, you can get the usual shitstorm about food industry holding farmers in a stranglehold and put CSIRO (whoever they may be) in a corner with Mosanto and the like.

Re:Reliance (3, Informative)

TapeCutter (624760) | about 4 months ago | (#46732541)

put CSIRO (whoever they may be) in a corner with Mosanto and the like.

Ten seconds on Google would have saved you from making a fool of yourself.

Re:Reliance (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46732545)

That's the new idea of dice after beta: Slashdot - new for fish farmers
BRILLIANT!

Mock prawns (1)

Trax3001BBS (2368736) | about 4 months ago | (#46732039)

I foresee, they will find cheaper ingredients as time past.,, the hard part is what to call it, "Man made fake shrimp" or plawns a whole new word.

One thing that jumps out at me (1)

Guest316 (3014867) | about 4 months ago | (#46732047)

...is that it's essentially trading one harvested item for another.

Re:One thing that jumps out at me (2)

tomhath (637240) | about 4 months ago | (#46732993)

It's replacing wild caught fish that are ground up and used for feed with farm raised plankton that are compressed into pellets.

Two obvious benefits are 1) raising the plankton is much more sustainable than catching wild fish, and 2) the plankton is apparently a better diet for the shrimp.

It wouldn't surprise me if that plankton also makes a good protein supplement for non-marine animals like chickens. Maybe even cut out the middleman/shrimp/chicken and feed it directly to people.

Re:One thing that jumps out at me (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 4 months ago | (#46734647)

TFA is a little vague about this. It sort of implies that they are raising plankton and that the breakthrough has been basically plankton husbandry. If that is indeed the case, then the ecological footprint of this may be reasonable (we, of course, don't know what it takes to grow plankton on an industrial scale).

If, however, they are actually harvesting wild plankton, and plan on doing this on an industrial scale, then I forsee some problems. Plankton are at the core of the oceans food change. Take a bit enough bite out of that and you've trashed the ocean ecology.

Re:One thing that jumps out at me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46734799)

> ...is that it's essentially trading one harvested item for another.

Like any farmed livestock? :-P

New feed creates 40% increase in growth rate... (2)

Bob_Who (926234) | about 4 months ago | (#46732111)

...and are healthier and more robust"

These Shrimps ain't shrimps anymore, I guess. With a 40% increased growth rate we should feed that stuff to Yankees sluggers.

These statistics sound like those cattle and poultry farmers achieve from hormone injections. If these shrimp suddenly become lobsters maybe the cholesterol will be a little too high as well.

It seems to me that "healthier" is a marketing term, not a scientific matter of fact.

Re:New feed creates 40% increase in growth rate... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46732247)

This is fairly off-topic, but for some reason I am reminded that the Chinese word for "lobster" translates literally as "dragon shrimp".

Re:New feed creates 40% increase in growth rate... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46732745)

We too would decrease our rate of growth and be less robust and healthy if we exclusively ate the meat of tigers which have been exclusively fed with people. I'm not sure about that rate of growth and robustness, though.

Republicans love cockroaches... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46732133)

of the sea, so I don't see what in the fuck this has to do with the rest of us. Normal people, in other words non-Repukians, do not each such garbage. Why would we be interested in such a story? It is Republicans that love to each cockroaches.

Prawns? (1)

Sooner Boomer (96864) | about 4 months ago | (#46732401)

I've got a better idea than little shrimpies. I say feed the homeless to the hungry. Gets rid of two problems at once!

Re:Prawns? (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 4 months ago | (#46733013)

Sir, I'm afraid your house has termites... Please come with me.

Sustainable Because They Say So (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46732455)

Because a company would never lie about something like that.

Do you even know why you eat prawns? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46732521)

They are disgusting, it's the same as eating insects - locusts, cockroaches, etc.

Do you even know why you're NOT vegan? If everybody else in the world was vegan, would you still be insisting that it's 'normal' to eat animal products?

Re:Do you even know why you eat prawns? (2)

blackpaw (240313) | about 4 months ago | (#46732663)

They are disgusting, it's the same as eating insects - locusts, cockroaches, etc.

So they're yummy? deep fried locusts, crickets etc are delicious and much more ecologically sustainable than a vegan diet.

Re:Do you even know why you eat prawns? (1)

tomhath (637240) | about 4 months ago | (#46733033)

If everybody else in the world was vegan...

But they're not. People are omnivores with big energy and protein requirements, especially when young and growing. Calorie and protein rich foods like meat and seafood are highly desirable components of a human's diet. Deal with it.

It's all the prawn shop sells? (2)

kevlar_rat (995996) | about 4 months ago | (#46733105)

If everybody else in the world was vegan, would you still be insisting that it's 'normal' to eat animal products?

Err, no, because it wouldn't be - by definition.
In fact I'm not sure what your point is.
If everybody went around with their face painted blue and said "I've traveled from 1983 to say this" before every sentence, that would be normal. But it wouldn’t make it a good idea.
Perhaps your saying that 'normal' isn't the same thing as 'natural', but since societies where the unnatural (painting your face blue) is normal are the exceptions, it's a good approximation to it.
This isn't a good argument for veganism, because most societies throughout most of history have eaten meat. So meat eating is normal and therefore likely natural.
Another possibility is that you don't know the meaning of the word 'normal' and think it actually means 'natural'. In the west that level of ignorance is ... normal.

Re:It's all the prawn shop sells? (1)

kevlar_rat (995996) | about 4 months ago | (#46733149)

s/your/you're/. Duh. And I don't [healthaliciousness.com] even have the excuse [uq.edu.au] of Vitamin D deficiency. [livestrong.com]

Re:It's all the prawn shop sells? (2)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 4 months ago | (#46734655)

Maybe he meant orthogonal.

Re:Do you even know why you eat prawns? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46734311)

> They are disgusting, it's the same as eating insects - locusts, cockroaches, etc.

Nothing wrong with eating insects, it is common in many cultures. It's not very popular in the West.

> Do you even know why you're NOT vegan?

If your ancestors hadn't eaten insects and other animals, it's highly unlikely we'd be here today having this pleasant discussion on whether it's okay to eat animals.

Re:Do you even know why you eat prawns? (3, Informative)

Nidi62 (1525137) | about 4 months ago | (#46735069)

If everybody else in the world was vegan, would you still be insisting that it's 'normal' to eat animal products?

Yes, because our teeth are designed to chew meat and our body is evolved to process animal protein.

Agriculture's Holy Grail: Open Source Food! (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 4 months ago | (#46732985)

If you want me to eat something, you have to tell me exactly what it is, and how it was grown; If it's something from the animal kingdom then I want to know what you're feeding them, and how they're raised. We require ingredients lists on our other food products too. Before you cook shrimp or prawn you have to remove their "sand vein" AKA their digestive tract AKA their shit tube -- Guess what's in there? What they last ate. Some of that shit gets into what I eat. Now their job is to convince me that none of the "marine micro-organisms" in Novaq are harmful, and are free of things like, say, marine flesh eating bacteria...

All the food I eat I've grown myself, or gotten from the farmer's market from local farmers who's farm I have visited, or at the very least it has all of the ingredients listed. I only have one life, and I should have the information available to make an informed decision about what I fuel myself with, and the cost to the environment that I am a part of. That information includes how and where things are fished, hunted, farmed, etc. This extends to other purchases too. Eg: I'd only buy lab-grown diamonds to ensure I'm not supporting the blood-diamond trade. Electronics are often made in shitty conditions too. Just like it was unfortunate but necessary to use proprietary Unixes to make GNU/Linux, it is unfortunate that I must purchase hardware made under pitiful working conditions. When I do so I buy the fastest and most upgradeable hardware available so as to mitigate the frequency of my hardware purchases. Retired hardware goes to into the server rack or my home-grown cloud cluster that serves all my AV storage, display and streaming needs. What is decommissioned gets recycled, just like all the packaging I buy. I do the same with food waste via compost pile for my own garden.

It's more expensive to eat free-range chickens which keep the bugs out of the pesticide free garden, but they produce tastier eggs and taste better themselves (yes, I've done double blind taste tests, For Science!). It's usually more expensive, but sometimes it can be cheaper, to go in with a few friends or family on beef from a mobile butcher and have it cut however we like from a cow of our choice at a local farm. I understand that not everyone can afford to eat the way I do. However, if I can afford to eat better or healthier or in a way that enriches the local community or ecosystem then I do so.

I don't eat pesticide or herbicide. It is not necessary to do so. Contrary to popular belief, these poisons have not been tested for safety on animals, humans, or the ecosystem. Seriously, the chemicals they test on animals and humans are then added to other "stabilizing" or "inactive" chemicals prior to use in the field and the end result does change the properties of the pesticides and herbicides, they become more deadly, and the end result has not been tested on animals or humans. I also don't take drugs that have been on the market for less than 10 years (thus has 20-25 years of testing). Did you believe Tobacco farming corporations when they valued profit over people and said smoking is good for you, or when they said it wasn't harmful for decades? Why would you believe chemical making corporations then? I don't eat plants covered in poison (or that produce poison internally that kills critters we need for our ecosystem), I don't eat meat that eats such poison or that is sick or raised on feed that is a "closely guarded secret". I don't feed my family milk that has growth hormones either.

Did you know you can leave seeds in the sun to accelerate mutations for the test crops you select against to produce better yield while preserving genetic diversity rather than use a corporation's mono-culture which nature simply adapts to? You see, "exposing plants to UV light" isn't patentable and doesn't yield patentable produce. It's true that without poisons bugs will eat some of the plants. The portion of a crop that nature reclaims is the cost of doing business in her neck of the woods. It's only common business sense to diversify to ensure a single crop / market failure won't end your operation.

Turns out, when I look at the cost distribution of my food consumption it more closely matches the ratios of food one should consume. Less meats and fats and more fruits and vegetables. Instead of prawn, I just had some wonderful big spicy Cajun Crayfish, raised locally. The farmer showed me how they were part of a hydroponics system that scavenges (filters) the nasty things from the nitrogen fixing fish tank before the water is recirculated to feed some of the most amazing tomatoes I've ever tasted. That greenhouse eco-system also produces aphid eating ladybugs, of which I bought about a thousand to release in my own garden. Go for crawdads and come back with lady-bugs and tomatoes too. I never know what I'll buy when I go "grocery" shopping, but I know one thing: It will not have "secret ingredients". I eat open source food.

P.S. I also brew beer that is free as in freedom and free as in software...

Re:Agriculture's Holy Grail: Open Source Food! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46733447)

If you want me to eat something, you have to tell me exactly what it is.

Like an old girlfriend of mine said, "I ain't gonna put anything in my mouth what I don't know where it's been."

Re:Agriculture's Holy Grail: Open Source Food! (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 4 months ago | (#46734663)

You must be fun at potlucks.

Friggin disgusting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46733373)

Prawns? I'd sooner eat my own shit.

Precedent (1)

gmuslera (3436) | about 4 months ago | (#46733667)

prawns fed on the new diet grow 40% faster and are healthier and more robust.

Look similar to the the claims for the rations given to cows, while their meat is not the healthier one [mayoclinic.org] . When the ultimate metric is rate of production instead of quality (specially if have health consequences) a lot of consumers will be harmed.

District 9... (1)

RealGene (1025017) | about 4 months ago | (#46734653)

Just feed them cat food, it's their favorite.

wait wait .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46734763)

guess what .. fish like to eat baby shrimps.

What is it with the programming this lame site? (1)

sysrammer (446839) | about 4 months ago | (#46735673)

I'm way in the middle of a hundred postings. I reply to an article. I ask it to be quoted. Oops, the quote tags are visible, wtf is this? Ok, go into options. For some reason I was reset to "extrans". Ok, whatever, I change back to html. I save, and, lo and behold, my comment is gone, all the other comments are missing. I'm back to the first page with the first five comments. And this is in the "good, well-programmed" version, not the beta.
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