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The GNOME Foundation Is Running Out of Money

samzenpus posted about 7 months ago | from the coffers-are-bare dept.

GNOME 693

An anonymous reader writes "The GNOME Foundation is running out of money. The foundation no longer has any cash reserves so they have voted to freeze non-essential funding for running the foundation. They are also hunting down sponsors and unpaid invoices to regain some delayed revenue. Those wishing to support the GNOME Foundation can become a friend of GNOME."

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Does this mean no more Gnome desktop? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740083)

One can only hope.

Re:Does this mean no more Gnome desktop? (1, Insightful)

MrNaz (730548) | about 7 months ago | (#46740281)

The open source movement owes much to the Gnome foundation. Yes, they have alienated their core support base, and perhaps this situation is a result of those cows coming home to roost. Nonetheless, a gutted or even dead Gnome foundation hurts the whole community, if only because it highlights the fragility of open source focused organizations as going concerns.

(Yes, yes I know it's supposed to be chickens.)

Re:Does this mean no more Gnome desktop? (3, Insightful)

ThePhilips (752041) | about 7 months ago | (#46740341)

The open source movement owes much to the Gnome foundation.

Care to elaborate?

I can only recall the libxml2 and it isn't the most popular xml library.

I had hopes for gstreamer too, but it turned out to be a dud, worth only writing helloworld^W Totem class applications. And GNOME has already wrote the Totem...

Rest of GNOME are just vast layers of layers of wrappers for layers of abstractions for wrappers for 3rd party libraries.

Re:Does this mean no more Gnome desktop? (5, Insightful)

OneAhead (1495535) | about 7 months ago | (#46740383)

vast layers of layers of wrappers for layers of abstractions for wrappers for 3rd party libraries.

The correct term for that is "software" these days. Like it or not, that's how it is.

Re:Does this mean no more Gnome desktop? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740409)

ha ha ha ha ,, when gnome 3 released , i told them , i will not donate for project even doesn't respect for its user perspective :)). and then they just laugh at me. i am sure there is many many people like me . why should i donate for a crap created just for tablet ???? gnome 3 from technical standpoint is not so bad . but biggest mistake from gnome people is they just remove desktop support . just look at even this "classic mode"(or what ever they call it , 3.8). why should i donate for project doesnt even listen to people , what is that stupid notification system ??? its reduce my mouse movement/click or save my time ?????? (don't refer to extension , main point of "classic mode" was that desktop user will have classic desktop experience's without any extension) seems someone proven is wrong.

Re:Does this mean no more Gnome desktop? (3, Interesting)

MrNaz (730548) | about 7 months ago | (#46740411)

For many years, Gnome was the most popular desktop environment. Many of the people who got into Linux on the desktop moved into a Gnome environment. It provided a familiar UI with standard metaphors. While the Linux desktop has moved on for better or worse, the fact remains that it was Gnome that provided the soft landing for many when they jumped ship.

Pay some respect to those who went before and the work they did.

Re:Does this mean no more Gnome desktop? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740617)

respect ??? they didn't respect me when i told them this is not useful . they just call me stupid . but now after 3 years anyone can see i was right . this is not true spirit for FREE SOFTWARE community.

Re:Does this mean no more Gnome desktop? (5, Insightful)

houstonbofh (602064) | about 7 months ago | (#46740681)

Pay some respect to those who went before and the work they did.

They are getting the same respect they gave the users who did not appreciate a multi headed very expensive single view tablet as a computing platform. If there was ever a call for Nelson Muntz, this is it.

Re:Does this mean no more Gnome desktop? (0)

Joce640k (829181) | about 7 months ago | (#46740439)

Rest of GNOME are just vast layers of layers of wrappers for layers of abstractions for wrappers

...and no documentation.

Re:Does this mean no more Gnome desktop? (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about 7 months ago | (#46740625)

I can only recall the libxml2 and it isn't the most popular xml library.

Popular or no, a quick check of my system dependencies shows roughly a thousand apps/other libs that depend on it. And I run KDE--don't even have the Gnome desktop installed.

(Note that my usage might not be entirely typical, as a large portion of my daily work involves lots and lots of XML processing.)

You wish (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740299)

There is no need for funding - to release a stripped down desktop without features.

I have just released *seven* desktop, while writing this very comment!

Funny (5, Insightful)

EvolutionInAction (2623513) | about 7 months ago | (#46740087)

Since they drove away all of their old friends by ignoring any and all criticisms of their design changes.

Re:Funny (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740191)

You're missing the real picture. GNOME is running out of money because they spent it on stupid outreach programs for women and "trans-women". And now that the financial shitstorm is coming to light... the female exec director responsible for this debacle resigns [gnome.org]

So basically men made it...men funded it. Women showed up later and demanded all the money be spent on them... and now there's none left. It's almost a microcosm of the Western nations economic woes.

Re:Funny (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740257)

Fucking patriarchal slime. How dare you bring your sexist views into an otherwise rational debate? As women, we have a right to exist too!

Re:Funny (0, Flamebait)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 7 months ago | (#46740343)

You're posting on a site where Libertarian aspies make up a significant minority, so you'd best get used to these sorts of comments.

Re:Funny (5, Interesting)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | about 7 months ago | (#46740587)

As charming as your characterisation of /.s membership is, I'm more interested in whether or not there is any truth to the assertion that Gnome's funding was eaten up by outreach programmes. I managed to track down this article [phoronix.com] , so there does seem to be a certain amount of legitimacy to the claim.

Re:Funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740675)

As charming as your characterisation of /.s membership is, I'm more interested in whether or not there is any truth to the assertion that Gnome's funding was eaten up by outreach programmes. I managed to track down this article [phoronix.com] , so there does seem to be a certain amount of legitimacy to the claim.

I fail to see how an individual's sexuality is a prerequisite for FOSS involvement. How does being "women (cis and trans) and genderqueer" matter in this context?

Re:Funny (3, Informative)

cold fjord (826450) | about 7 months ago | (#46740589)

How do you think Poe's law applied to the post you responded to?

Outreach Program for Women is grateful to the following organizations [gnome.org]

Outreach Program for Women is grateful to the following organizations and companies for their generous sponsorship of the previous round:
Equalizer: Wikimedia Foundation
Promoters: Google, Hewlett-Packard, Intel, Mozilla, Open Source Robotics Foundation
Includers: Cloudera, Debian, GNOME Foundation, Linaro, OpenStack Foundation, Rackspace, Red Hat ...

Ceiling Smasher - $52,000 - 8 interns
Equalizer - $32,000 - 5 interns
Promoter - $19,000 - 3 interns
Includer - $6,250 - 1 intern

The sponsorship per intern includes $5,500 (USD) stipend, $500 travel allowance, and a $250-500 administrative fee for the GNOME Foundation.

Re:Funny (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740387)

As women, we have a right to exist too!

...In the kitchen, baking pies.

Re:Funny (-1, Offtopic)

kyrsjo (2420192) | about 7 months ago | (#46740673)

But never for you, who will forever live in your mother's basement, married to your right hand till death does you part.

Re:Funny (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740451)

Of course you have every right to exist. My dick isn't going to suck itself!

Re:Funny (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740481)

That would be a cool feature, wouldn't it?

Re:Funny (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740639)

it's the only feature that could save gnome 3

Re:Funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740537)

Oh jeez, I didn't actually think /. had sunk this low...

Re:Funny (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740501)

You have rights, yes, but it doesn't change the fact that it was women who ruined this.

Robin Stormy Peters (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740551)

it was A woman who ruined the gnome foundation, Robin Stormy Peters, Chairwoman and her sleazey toadie assistant David "Lefty" Schlesinger who was paid by the ACCESS corporation to sit on this board and troll RMS and otherwise spread ignorance and chaos

Robin Peters is the finest in Corporate Whore there is, she isn't much else...

Re:Funny (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740643)

"As women, we have a right to exist too!"

Thanks for defining "right" as "entitlement to squander other peoples project resources on your specifically political agenda".

I completely support sexual freedom, up to and including fucking in the streets, but Karen Sandler burning scarce resources on a non-core project was
frivolous.

If you support bankrupting GNOME to loot it for outreach programs then own up to that stance, otherwise piss off.

Re:Funny (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740333)

And even to the end, it's all they ever talked about [sched.org] . Why bother tackling the hard technical challenges like building a modern desktop environment, when it's so much easier to sit around and discuss peoples' feeeeeelings?

Re:Funny (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740335)

Pretty much. But, from the article, even just supporting OPW wouldn't have been an issue, they did it incompetently. They weren't paying attention to the books and they didn't have enough people to handle all the details.

Had they paid attention to the books and been on top of the details, they probably could have supported OPW without being in this situation.

Re:Funny (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740435)

How can this have been modded "informative"? It is a stupid sexist and homophobic attack.

Re:Funny (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740593)

Sexist maybe, but homophobic?
Who's the gay GP could be fearing?
Women aren't necessarily homosexual. Trans-women aren't necessarily homosexual. Who's the homosexual?

Their changes were perfect! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740207)

How dare mere fucking USERS question Great Art???

Defund GNOME until the "leadership" is gone. Perhaps people who give a shit will fork it.

who didn't see this coming? (2)

markybob (802458) | about 7 months ago | (#46740089)

they haven't listened to customers for years...of course money will dry up and people will move on.

Re:who didn't see this coming? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740355)

That's why I switched to XFCE. GNOME is a piece of junk. I am not sorry to see it go.

re: (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740095)

It may be the result of changes between gnome 2 and 3 GUI. What do You think?

Gnome go home (1)

Revek (133289) | about 7 months ago | (#46740097)

Your broke.

Re:Gnome go home (2)

jez9999 (618189) | about 7 months ago | (#46740295)

Their broke what?

Re:Gnome go home (2)

JustOK (667959) | about 7 months ago | (#46740393)

There broke, um, sir?

Re:Gnome go home (1)

allo (1728082) | about 7 months ago | (#46740491)

Did you spel check, jet?

Re:Gnome go home (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740493)

They're broke.

Here's hoping. (5, Insightful)

dosius (230542) | about 7 months ago | (#46740109)

Maybe GNOME will dry up and wither away, and most likely MATE will survive - because MATE is the GNOME people want.

Re:Here's hoping. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740145)

MATE is fine, and definitely light-weight and efficient. However, Cinnamon is a bit more pleasant on the eye. It might be worth showing that to people on the fence about trying Linux.

Re:Here's hoping. (2)

Paul Jakma (2677) | about 7 months ago | (#46740233)

Though, on the other hand, Cinnamon is built on top of the GNOME-Shell infrastructure, with much functionality built in JavaScripts, so it suffers the "continually leaking, ever expanding RSS" problems of GNOME-Shell.

Re:Here's hoping. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740147)

Does mate have a foundation we can give to?

Re:Here's hoping. (1)

loonycyborg (1262242) | about 7 months ago | (#46740687)

There's no reason to believe that GNOME will wither away based on performance of this foundation. GNOME will still exist as long as there exist people who care to contribute. If this foundation crashes they'll just make another one.

maybe KDE will be next (2, Insightful)

FudRucker (866063) | about 7 months ago | (#46740115)

get rid of both GNOME and KDE, and make XFCE behave itself and Linux might start acting more in line with the Unix philosophy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U... [wikipedia.org]

Well then X should be next on that list. (4, Interesting)

slack_justyb (862874) | about 7 months ago | (#46740153)

If we honestly wanted to follow the Unix philosophy, we should add X11 to that list as well. There's nothing about X that follows the Unix philosophy any more.

Re:Well then X should be next on that list. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740201)

If we honestly wanted to follow the Unix philosophy, we should add X11 to that list as well. There's nothing about X that follows the Unix philosophy any more.

X9 forever!

Re:Well then X should be next on that list. (1)

visualight (468005) | about 7 months ago | (#46740657)

The Unix philosophy is *old* so it can't be a good approach anymore.

Re:maybe KDE will be next (1)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | about 7 months ago | (#46740169)

>make XFCE behave itself

Please elaborate on how XFCE isn't behaving itself.

Re:maybe KDE will be next (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740279)

XFCE is almost dead. The main developers don't seem to do anything other than talking through mailing lists.

Re:maybe KDE will be next (2)

MrNaz (730548) | about 7 months ago | (#46740289)

It knows what it's done.

Re:maybe KDE will be next (4, Interesting)

grumbel (592662) | about 7 months ago | (#46740337)

Right now in Xubuntu: The WindowButtons/Taskbar shows the wrong windows when using multiple monitors, the xfce-volumed is constantly hanging, not registering volume keys and using the wrong soundcard, the indicator-applet is completely broken and putting apps into fullscreen doesn't work properly any more either with multiple monitors. Most of this used to work a year or two ago. It feels like XFCE is just getting more and more broken as time progresses. It's pretty frustrating, guess it's time to try Mate.

Re:maybe KDE will be next (1)

FudRucker (866063) | about 7 months ago | (#46740455)

i give up on it, but i liked it enough to have hope for it, right now i just use the lightweight window managers like Openbox, IceWM, and others, Xorg stays out of my way for the most part, i have noticed Slackware-14.1 Xorg sort of odd compared to previous Slackware versions on this same PC so i am sticking with 14.0 for now while waiting for Slack's next release after 14.1 (14.2? 15.0?)

Re:maybe KDE will be next (2, Informative)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | about 7 months ago | (#46740217)

So you are saying that you don't know anything about KDE then? I've got news for you. The Unix philosophy was conceived before there was a GUI. It doesn't apply to GUI based apps and Window Managers. KDE is modular, and does not stand in the way of the Unix philosophy. In fact muttering Gnome and KDE in the same sentence is pretty much trolling.

Re:maybe KDE will be next (1)

Kremmy (793693) | about 7 months ago | (#46740301)

This comment gets me thinking, how can we apply the UNIX Philosophy to the GUI?
I'm ending up somewhere in between OpenStep and Plan 9...

Re:maybe KDE will be next (0)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | about 7 months ago | (#46740347)

It's called KDE

Re:maybe KDE will be next (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740569)

In fact muttering Gnome and KDE in the same sentence is pretty much trolling.

Oh, fuck off, you hypocritical prick! You are the king of trolling, yet consistently accuse others of doing exactly what you do.

Re:maybe KDE will be next (3, Insightful)

Kuberz (3568651) | about 7 months ago | (#46740235)

Yeah, nobody really cares about the Unix philosophy. I do love Ken Thompson and everything he contributed, but I don't necessarily agree with him to the point that I can't and wont think for myself. Different ideas, different styles, and different methods lead to new and wonderful things. People should never stick to one given set of rules or innovation would suffer. I became a fan of Linux because of the ability to mix and match. Saying we should just make XFCE work and then all just use that is like saying let's just use Windows. No thanks. The beauty of the OpenSource community, is that even if a project dies off, if there's enough interest (which there always is when it comes to DEs), something else will be born. Kind of like how forest fires burn everything to a crisp, but beautiful new life rises from the ashes. Which is exactly what happened when Ubuntu took a blowtorch to the user interface with Unity, and the result was Cinnamon becoming a full fledged and beautiful DE.

Re:maybe KDE will be next (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 7 months ago | (#46740243)

start acting more in line with the Unix philosophy

Well, the Unix GUI philosophy is actually adhered to by all modern operating systems:
"Do one thing, and do it in hell."
Don't be embarrassed, the subtleties of UI are wasted on users of terminals with auto-complete.

Re:maybe KDE will be next (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740371)

Also, get rid of the pulse audio junk. The first command I run on my Fedora is "yum -y remove pulseaudio".

Unlamented (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740117)

Move on, nothing to see here.

Thank Karen Sandler! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740121)

That's what happens when management uses organization to push their private political views, rather than simply ensuring usability of software they should care of. GNOME's Karen Sandler single-handedly killed GNOME.

Re:Thank Karen Sandler! (1)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | about 7 months ago | (#46740225)

Well then, we owe Karen a debt of grattitude, don't we :-)

Re:Thank Karen Sandler! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740503)

That's what happens when management uses organization to push their private political views, rather than simply ensuring usability of software they should care of. GNOME's Karen Sandler single-handedly killed GNOME.

SUCCESS!!!!

I love it when a plan works!

Re:Thank Karen Sandler! nope! Stormy Peters! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740599)

Karen is not responsible, the blame lies on her corporate cock fondling predecessor Robin "Stormy" Peters, who is idiocy and incompetence personified.

systemd hard dependency (5, Insightful)

Jody Bruchon (3404363) | about 7 months ago | (#46740125)

Fuck 'em. They made the desktop environment require the monstrosity that is systemd, so I don't care if they go away entirely. GNOME was decent in the 2 series, though still never managed to not be buggy; when they moved to 3, everything went downhill HARD. Terrible UI changes that almost no one wanted, and then forcing systemd as a required dependency.

You did it to yourselves. Go become irrelevant. Viva la Fluxbox!

There may be some at a loss for sympathy (3, Insightful)

slack_justyb (862874) | about 7 months ago | (#46740133)

I know that some here on Slashdot will be at a loss for sympathy for the project being in such dire circumstance. However, the key thing that some should remember is that a lot of what the GNOME hackers do, goes into the base for many other projects as well. Much of Linux Mint is an eclectic mix of Ubuntu and GNOME. Likewise for Elementary OS.

So while we might be able to argue if this project has finally run its course, which I do want to add that the foundation running out of reserves hardly equates to the death knell for GNOME. One of the things we shouldn't do, or at least it would be in a very short sighted, is think that the actual GNOME Desktop and how ... "not so great," they've ran that ship plays into all of this. Agreed, the people in the project have become quite hard headed, but honestly which OSS project hasn't by now? However, there are a lot of people (Canonical *cough, cough*) who find their software very useful and hardly give anything back, at least to the foundation.

PS: Being using beta now for a month plus some. I honestly think it is getting better but it does need quite a bit more work. I guess I just wanted to add that after seeing all the f*** beta sigs.

Loss of sympathy for money wasters is deserved! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740331)

Incompetents like Karen Sandler who squandered funds on her pet sexual politics project are why GNOME should be defunded..

The PEOPLE who let this happen deserve to be punished for betraying the user base and deliberately wasting donated money on bullshit.

Those of you who don't suck, jump ship and code for a program which deserves it. The "leadership" will have GNOME on their resumes and no one where they hire

on next will remember their fuckups.

Thanks for nothing Karen. You contribute nothing to women and cis people by conforming to the stereotype!

Re:There may be some at a loss for sympathy (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about 7 months ago | (#46740367)

However, the key thing that some should remember is that a lot of what the GNOME hackers do, goes into the base for many other projects as well.

I really wish it wouldn't........

Worth (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740591)

I guess, once GNOME Foundation is gone, we'll see whether it is really contributing much. It's not like they pay the salaries of all the GNOME hackers.

penistos (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740139)

Those wishing to support the GNOME Foundation can become a friend of GNOME.

Yeah, no.

I went to XFCE straight after the first release of GNOME 3, and I haven't looked back since.

Among other things (3, Interesting)

oldhack (1037484) | about 7 months ago | (#46740143)

Unlink yourself from systemd.

Curiosity if you don't mind (1)

slack_justyb (862874) | about 7 months ago | (#46740231)

I'm a little curious, why you bring up the link to systemd? Is it because it prevents the stack from running on BSD?

Re:Curiosity if you don't mind (1)

Kremmy (793693) | about 7 months ago | (#46740429)

I'd bring it up on the basis of systemd not being ready, developers involved with systemd refusing to fix their broken code and having to get yelled at by Linus Torvalds on the LKML. It's a seriously disheartening state of affairs, watching the base system being eroded in the name of new hotness. Honestly, how, the, fuck, hard, can, it, be, to, maintain, your, systems, -, every vendor on the planet. How many times are the vendors going to break everything and go off on tangents before people get sick of it and stop upgrading? Ask the XP users.

Re:Curiosity if you don't mind (1)

kthreadd (1558445) | about 7 months ago | (#46740565)

I'm a little curious, why you bring up the link to systemd? Is it because it prevents the stack from running on BSD?

It obviously didn't stop OpenBSD. They were on 3.10 last time I checked,

Blame GNOME 3 (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740157)

I started using GNOME at version 1.4 and I really liked it. I followed the development of GNOME 2 closely and was very excited when it was finally released. I spent a lot of time checking the code out of CVS and building it before 2.0. The thing is, I was just a kid back then, I didn't have $25 for a mousepad even though I would have happily supported the project. I remember looking at the website when I was like 17 thinking how awesome it would be to have a GNOME tshirt or some kind of GNOME swag.

Fast forward a few years... Today, I could easily donate $500 but I'm not going to, since I don't use GNOME anymore. When GNOME 3 was released, my disappointment was colossal. I had to completely re-think my desktop - if it was going to change so drastically that I'd have to relearn everything, it might as well be change that made sense. So I switched to a tiling window manager called i3. If i3 project ever needs money, I'll give it to them.

But not GNOME. Sorry guys. I guess this is what happens when you alienate your users and let "user experience"-crap-level developers infiltrate your project.

Re:Blame GNOME 3 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740209)

Well, anyone that would spend $25 on a mousepad ... well, a fool and his money, and all that. Hey, I have a classic 1974 Ford Pinto that I'm willing to part with, only $9995.

Re:Blame GNOME 3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740523)

Everyone knows the mousepad doesn't really cost $25. It's more of a donate $25 and get a free mousepad. Have you never bought Girl Scout Cookies or overpriced candy bars?

To be expected (5, Insightful)

sandertje (1748324) | about 7 months ago | (#46740161)

You make a product that no one wants to use? You die as an organization. Fair enough.

Re:To be expected (1)

Eunuchswear (210685) | about 7 months ago | (#46740271)

What a ridiculous non-sequitur.

Do you think the Gnome Foundation ever got a penny from their users?

Anyway, I bunged 'em $500, not like it's serious money and they are doing good work.

Re:To be expected (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740369)

I don't think they're doing a good job but I'll be glad to donate to GNOME 2.

Re:To be expected (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about 7 months ago | (#46740443)

Anyway, I bunged 'em $500, not like it's serious money and they are doing good work.

See? That's the thing, I don't feel like they are doing good work, so I don't want to give them any money.

On the other hand, your post has inspired me to donate to an open source project. I'm off to find one worth donating to that needs some money. If anyone has any ideas, let me know.

"those wishing to support GNOME" HAH! (4, Funny)

rubycodez (864176) | about 7 months ago | (#46740185)

For those of us who wish to hasten the death of GNOME, is there anything we can do?

From the parent article: (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740245)

"The GNOME Foundation staff and board fell behind in their processes with being overwhelmed by administering OPW. GNOME's Outreach Program for Women is explained as "The Outreach Program for Women (OPW) helps women (cis and trans) and genderqueer get involved in free and open source software." They've had around 30 interns for their most recent cycle."

Let me translate. They were fucking off by diverging from the core project into recreational political activities unrelated to their mission.

I completely support the idea of such outreach, but if you don't have your core in order then they are best done elsewhere.

If you saw off the branch you were sitting on you have no place to seat the new folks you wanted to include.

There is no kind way to put it. GNOME fucked up due to willful stupidity. They'll see not a dime from me.

Re:From the parent article: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740309)

Let me translate. They were fucking off by diverging from the core project into recreational political activities unrelated to their mission.

But that seems to be what a lot of people on Slashdot want. Look at the Mozilla and DropBox controversies. Lots of people posting and moderating support those.

I liked Gnome 2. (4)

Roxoff (539071) | about 7 months ago | (#46740261)

But Gnome 3 is unusable. It's been unusable since inception, and it still cuts me to pieces when I have a nice fresh install of Linux and it's buggered up by Gnome 3 making it completely unusable. Microsoft came in for tons of criticism because they removed the Start menu in Windwos 8, and look, two years later, it's back in 8.1. The Gnome Foundation came in for tons of criticism because they took all the usable bits of Gnome 2 and put them in the bin to produce Gnome 3. And now, five years later, Gnome 3 is still exactly the same. I think running out of money and going out of business is a position that the Gnome foundation has struggled hard to achieve. But, by gosh, they've done it.

I liked GNOME 1. (1)

Arker (91948) | about 7 months ago | (#46740357)

The basic mental malfunction that leads from Gnome3 from Gnome2 is the same as the one that lead from Gnome1 to 2. I guess not as many people used unix key-bindings and window manager choice as some of the things they have broken more recently, but I did and the project has been dead to me ever since they made it clear they broke those things on purpose and would stick by that decision.

I'd give money to a gnome 2 foundation (2)

cmdr_tofu (826352) | about 7 months ago | (#46740273)

Unfortunately Gnome 3 pushed me back to ovlwm and xfce. I have a feeling there are a significant number of users (and posters in this thread) in my situation.

It's a little sad because a few years ago, the Linux Desktop was really really great (especially with Gnome 2 + compiz fusion). These days, I really don't feel that way. I wish I could get myself to like KDE.

Wasn't Sun the primary funder of Gnome development?

There is a Gnome foundation and they had money??? (1)

Kaz Kylheku (1484) | about 7 months ago | (#46740305)

A sucker is born every minute, I guess.

Gnome forgot their users needs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740321)

I just hoped to see the day when Gnome had removed all the features they categorized as useless or distracting and the whole desktop environment would simplified to a black screen. But too bad, they used money faster than they could mess with the desktop. Hopefully the "designers" of Gnome are not moving now to other projects..

Chap. 11? (1)

alex4u2nv (869827) | about 7 months ago | (#46740365)

Too bad non-profits can't benefit from this ;)

Burnt... (1)

CFBMoo1 (157453) | about 7 months ago | (#46740425)

I'm still burnt from the 2.x to 3.x UI changes. I'd be happier if they kept the 2.x look but improved the underpinnings of the Gnome system. Between XFCE and Cinnamon I'm not really concerned about Gnome anymore. Honestly I'd rather see more resources go in to one of those two than Gnome.

DO NOT DONATE TO RESCUE INCOMPETENCE! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740471)

People who care about their user base exist. Just not at GNOME.

Oh Gno! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740515)

Oh Gno! Gnome more Gmoney? What else is Gnu?

as an individual donator to OSS projects... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740539)

I used to use and donate to Gnome, but they kept on making it less and less configurable, or hiding configuration options in arcane places. I switched over to the KDE project that's the last poweruser desktop standing, and they get all my donations now. It's not a huge amount of money compared to what a big company could donate, but if I'm gonna support something, it won't be a desktop that charged off the cliff of dumb-it-all-down.

Gnome3 might be fine for my grandmother. It's not fine for me. KDE stumbled a little around KDE4, but has picked up the ball and run with it since then.

I'm disapointed in people (3, Insightful)

Fnord (1756) | about 7 months ago | (#46740563)

Temper this with the fact that I'm one of the few people who actually like Gnome 3, enough that I switched from Ubuntu to Fedora just to not have to replace Unity. But, fine, people are angry that they didn't respect their user base, when what their user base wanted was yet another rehash of the win 95 desktop layout. The Gnome developers actually tried to do something new in desktop UIs, they actually tried to innovate. And as with any innovation, some of the things they did worked, and some didn't. Gnome 3.0 had a lot of problems, but the potential was there and some of us saw it. As of Gnome 3.8 there is a ton more polish. And a lot of that polish came from user feedback. No they didn't listen to feedback that said "Bring back Gnome 2! No change evar!" They just continued to refine what they had. And they laid down a ton of backend libraries that allowed things like Cinnamon to exist. If they had adopted Cinnamon as one of a few official skins for Gnome 3, would people support them then? Because in terms of development there wouldn't be any change. Some devs continue to work on the new UI, some devs on the rehashed old UI, many on the shared core. Just like today.

I'm going to go contribute to a project that has done amazing things for open source.

Robin 'Stormy' Peters (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46740567)

it was a woman who ruined the gnome foundation, Robin Stormy Peters, Chairwoman along with her sleazy toadie assistant David "Lefty" Schlesinger aka 'stonemirror' (well known stalker and troll) who was paid by the ACCESS corporation to sit on this board and troll RMS . He otherwise spread ignorance and chaos, his role as a marketing creep paid to slime RMS because ACCESS was failing to come up with a closed mobile OS to compete with Android.

Robin Peters is the finest in Corporate Whore there is, she isn't much else though... she is over tanking Mozilla now.

This woman is the deadliest weapon against Free Software there is.

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