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Will This Flying Car Get Crowdfunded?

samzenpus posted about 8 months ago | from the what-about-my-jetpack? dept.

Transportation 157

cartechboy (2660665) writes "We all just have too much money on our hands, and we really want a flying car, right? Well that's what Skylys thinks, as it's trying to crowdfund a flying car. According to its website, 'In detail we aim to create an urban dual-mode, hybrid flight and electric drive motorized vehicle that fits into sustainable mobility.' How much money does it need? Oh about $3,111,075. Apparently the company has run out of money and needs more to 'start construction on our two prototypes to confirm our technical specifications; pay the chaps in the legal department; industrial engineers and take up occupancy of our future offices in Silicon Valley, where our backers can of course pay us a visit.'"

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Happy Monday from the Golden Girls! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46750111)

Thank you for being a friend
Traveled down the road and back again
Your heart is true, you're a pal and a cosmonaut.

And if you threw a party
Invited everyone you knew
You would see the biggest gift would be from me
And the card attached would say, thank you for being a friend.

protip: kill the jews (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46750115)

do it for the kids

Betteridge's Law sez "Nope." (4, Informative)

AuralityKev (1356747) | about 8 months ago | (#46750123)

They had me until "paying the lawyers."

Re:Betteridge's Law sez "Nope." (4, Insightful)

sunderland56 (621843) | about 8 months ago | (#46750177)

They had me until "Silicon Valley".

They aren't building a computer - they are building a car first, an airplane second, with some computer bits inside it. So why choose some of the world's most expensive real estate? Why put your engineering far, far away from any place you could test the flying capabilities?

Re:Betteridge's Law sez "Nope." (5, Funny)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 8 months ago | (#46750261)

They had me until "Silicon Valley".

They aren't building a computer - they are building a car first, an airplane second, with some computer bits inside it. So why choose some of the world's most expensive real estate? Why put your engineering far, far away from any place you could test the flying capabilities?

Because trendy, vertically integrated social media is the new synergistic paradigm, moving forward with robust sustainability and transparency, resonating with doubled-down, rock star game changers utilizing the bleeding-edge Cloud to future proof value-added, deliverable monetization!

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm late for my annual MBA-sponsored lobotomy.

Re:Betteridge's Law sez "Nope." (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46750317)

You had me until "vertically integrated social media." That's retarded, dude. If you are going to spew buzzwords, at least spew them in some decipherable manner. Horizontal integration sounds "plausible," but vertical integration makes no sense whatsoever. Marketing moron salesmen still have to make coherent statements even if they are vacant of genuine meaning.

Uhh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46750365)

I'm pretty sure you CAN do it standing up.

Re:Betteridge's Law sez "Nope." (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46750567)

Not sure if you're joking, but "vertical integration" is a very old business buzz-phrase, indeed. It essentially means owning everything you need to produce and market a product from the ground up. So presumably "vertically integrated social media" would mean owning the source of a story, the publication that published the story, and the social media platform that hyped the story.

Re:Betteridge's Law sez "Nope." (2)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 8 months ago | (#46750793)

When I read "vertically integrated social media", I though of gossiping via a skyscraper telephone system.

Re:Betteridge's Law sez "Nope." (1)

Em Adespoton (792954) | about 8 months ago | (#46751283)

ah; I thought "vertically integrated social media" referred to owning the things people talk about, owning the means of telling them what they want, owning the means of discussing what they want with each other and owning the means to buy it.

Re:Betteridge's Law sez "Nope." (4, Funny)

NotDrWho (3543773) | about 8 months ago | (#46750541)

I like your way of thinking. Would it be possible for me to buy your company for several billion dollars?

Re:Betteridge's Law sez "Nope." (2)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 8 months ago | (#46750823)

You should probably start by signing up for the newsletter.

Re:Betteridge's Law sez "Nope." (1)

NotDrWho (3543773) | about 8 months ago | (#46750907)

Can't let one of the other VC's get the drop on me!

Re:Betteridge's Law sez "Nope." (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46750929)

But ... trendy, vertically integrated social media is the new newsletter. Didn't you read his post?

Re:Betteridge's Law sez "Nope." (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 8 months ago | (#46750887)

A) VC money
B) A lot of engineering talents, not just computers.

Re:Betteridge's Law sez "Nope." (2)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about 8 months ago | (#46750893)

So why choose some of the world's most expensive real estate?

Because rich folks live there, with more money than brains. If you note what they said:

where our backers can of course pay us a visit.

So it seems they are going after rich investors, who want to go by a see a prototype of the toy that they are helping to build. Maybe even sit in the cockpit/driver's seat! So it is more of an entertainment expense, as opposed to a serious investment.

As a non-rich, non-investor, not living in Silicon Valley, all I have to say is . . . have fun.

Re:Betteridge's Law sez "Nope." (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46750339)

Right. If I were going to sell build, test and sell flying cars, at no point would I hire a lawyer. Lawyers are for projects that might hurt people, or face regulatory challenges. And this sure ain't one of them.

Please give me 3 million dollars to fuck around on (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46750129)

Points for looking like the Jetson's car.

herpa derp (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46750131)

only interesting to nerds who live in an absolute fantasy world. these projects are dumb

Re:herpa derp (-1)

Tablizer (95088) | about 8 months ago | (#46750259)

90% chance you are right, but dreamers take risk on the 10%. Dreamers risked their lives to build the first airplane, risked their career on the first microcomputers (Woz at HP), risked their presidency on the first national health-insurance system, etc.

We owe a debt of gratitude and appreciation to the dreamers and risk takers. They gave us our future.

Re:herpa derp (0)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about 8 months ago | (#46750335)

Lumping Obama in with Woz and the Wright brothers seems incredibly misguided. Lumping him in with the group making this car though? Probably appropriate.

Re:herpa derp (3, Informative)

geekoid (135745) | about 8 months ago | (#46750925)

It"s about risks. It was a fair comparison.

Unlike your comparison, which is not.Near as I can tell, skylys ahs done nothing. Obama on the other hand has done a lot. Here is a short list of his accomplishments:
Legislative Prowess.
Despite the characterizations of some, Obama’s success rate in winning congressional votes on issues was an unprecedented 96.7% for his first year in office. Though he is often cited as superior to Obama, President Lyndon Johnson’s success rate in 1965 was only 93%. http://n.pr/i3d7cY [n.pr]

Fiscal Responsibility.
Within days after taking office, Obama signed an Executive Order ordering an audit of government contracts, and combating waste and abuse. http://1.usa.gov/dUvbu5 [usa.gov]

Created the post of Chief Performance Officer, whose job it is to make operations more efficient to save the federal government money. http://n.pr/hcgBn1 [n.pr]

On his first full day, he froze White House salaries. http://on.msnbc.com/ewJUIx [msnbc.com]

He appointed the first Federal Chief Information Officer to oversee federal IT spending. http://www.cio.gov/ [cio.gov]

He committed to phasing out unnecessary and outdated weapons systems, and also signed the Weapons Systems Acquisition Reform Act to stop waste, fraud and abuse in the defense procurement and contracting system. http://bit.ly/hOw1t1 [bit.ly] http://bit.ly/fz8GAd [bit.ly]

Through an executive order, he created the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform. http://bit.ly/hwKhKa [bit.ly]

Improving the Economy, Preventing Depression.
Obama pushed through and signed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, otherwise known as “the stimulus package,” despite the fact that not one Republican voted for that bill. In addition, he launched recovery.gov, so that taxpayers could track spending from the Act. http://1.usa.gov/ibiFSs [usa.gov] http://1.usa.gov/e3BJMk [usa.gov]

In his first year, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act created and sustained 2.1 million jobs and stimulated the economy 3.5%. http://reut.rs/i46CEE [reut.rs]

Obama completed the massive TARP financial and banking rescue plan, and recovered virtually all of its costs. http://1.usa.gov/eA5jVS [usa.gov] http://bit.ly/eCNrD6 [bit.ly]

He created the Making Home Affordable home refinancing plan. http://1.usa.gov/goy6zl [usa.gov]

Obama oversaw the creation of more jobs in 2010 alone than Bush did in eight years. http://bit.ly/hrrnjY [bit.ly]

He oversaw a bailout of General Motors that saved at least 1.4 million jobs, and put pressure on the company to change its practices, resulting in GM returning to its place as the top car company in the world. http://lat.ms/zIJuQx [lat.ms]

Obama also doubled funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership which is designed to improve manufacturing efficiency. http://bit.ly/eYD4nf [bit.ly]

He signed the Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act giving the federal government more tools to investigate and prosecute fraud in every corner of the financial system. It also created a bipartisan Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission to investigate the financial fraud that led to the economic meltdown. http://abcn.ws/g18Fe7 [abcn.ws]

Obama signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility and Disclosure (CARD) Act, which was designed to protect consumers from unfair and deceptive credit card practices. http://1.usa.gov/gIaNcS [usa.gov]

He increased infrastructure spending after years of neglect. http://bit.ly/f77aOw [bit.ly]

Obama signed the Helping Families Save Their Homes Act, expanding on the Making Home Affordable Program to help millions of Americans avoid preventable foreclosures. The bill also provided $2.2 billion to help combat homelessness, and to stabilize the housing market. http://bit.ly/eEpLFn [bit.ly]

Through the Worker, Home Ownership, and Business Assistance Act of 2009, Obama and Congressional Democrats provided tax credits to first-time home buyers, which helped the U.S. housing market recovery. http://bit.ly/dZgXXw [bit.ly] http://bit.ly/gORYfL [bit.ly]

He initiated a $15 billion plan designed to encourage increased lending to small businesses.
http://1.usa.gov/eu0u0b [usa.gov]

Obama created business.gov, which allows for online collaboration between small businesses and experts re managing a business. (The program has since merged with SBA.gov.) http://www.business.gov/ [business.gov]

He played a lead role in getting the G-20 Summit to commit to a $1.1 trillion deal to combat the global financial crisis. http://nyti.ms/gHlgp5 [nyti.ms]

Obama took steps to improve minority access to capital. http://bit.ly/f9xVE7 [bit.ly]

He created a $60 billion bank to fund infrastructure improvements such as roads and bridges. http://bit.ly/e1SSaQ [bit.ly]

He implemented an auto industry rescue plan, and saved as many as 1 million jobs. http://bit.ly/ibhpxr [bit.ly] Many are of the opinion that he saved the entire auto industry, and even the economy of the entire Midwest. http://bit.ly/gj7mt5 [bit.ly]

Through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, Obama saved at least 300,000 education jobs, such as teachers, principals, librarians, and counselors that would have otherwise been lost. http://1.usa.gov/ez30Dc [usa.gov]

Obama dismantled the Minerals Management Service, thereby moving forward to cut ties between energy companies and the government. http://nyti.ms/bw1MLu [nyti.ms]

He provided funding to states and the Department of Homeland Security to save thousands of police and firefighter jobs from being cut during the recession. http://bit.ly/g0IKWR [bit.ly]

He used recovered TARP money to fund programs at local housing finance agencies in California, Florida, Nevada, Arizona and Michigan. http://on.msnbc.com/i1i8eV [msnbc.com]

Obama crafted an Executive order establishing the President’s Advisory Council on Financial Capability to assist in financial education for all Americans. http://bit.ly/eyqsNE [bit.ly]

Wall Street Reforms and Consumer Protection.
Obama ordered 65 executives who took bailout money to cut their own pay until they paid back all bailout money. http://huff.to/eAi9Qq [huff.to]

He pushed through and got passed Dodd-Frank, one of the largest and most comprehensive Wall Street reforms since the Great Depression. http://bit.ly/hWCPg0 [bit.ly] http://bit.ly/geHpcD [bit.ly]

Dodd-Frank also included the creation of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau http://1.usa.gov/j5onG [usa.gov]

Obama made it so that banks could no longer use YOUR money to invest in high-risk financial instruments that work against their own customers’ interests. http://bit.ly/fnTayj [bit.ly]

He supported the concept of allowing stockholders to vote on executive compensation. http://bit.ly/fnTayj [bit.ly]

Obama wholly endorsed and supported the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act of 2009 that would close offshore tax avoidance loopholes. http://bit.ly/esOdfB [bit.ly] http://bit.ly/eG4DPM [bit.ly]

He made a deal with Swiss banks that permits the US government to gain access to the records of criminals and tax evaders. http://bit.ly/htfDgw [bit.ly]

He established a Consumer Protection Financial Bureau designed to protect consumers from financial sector excesses. http://bit.ly/fnTayj [bit.ly]

Obama oversaw and then signed the most sweeping food safety legislation since the Great Depression. http://thedc.com/gxkCtP [thedc.com]

Civil Rights and Anti-Discrimination.
Obama advocated for and signed the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, which made it a federal crime to assault anyone based on his or her sexual orientation or gender identity. http://bit.ly/gsMSJ7 [bit.ly]

He pushed through, signed and demanded the Pentagon enact a repeal of the discriminatory “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” policy that forced soldiers to lie to fight for their country, and put our troops at risk by disqualifying many qualified soldiers from helping. http://bit.ly/fdahuH [bit.ly] http://bit.ly/mZV4Pz [bit.ly]

Obama appointed Kareem Dale as the first ever Special Assistant to the President for Disability Policy. http://1.usa.gov/fi5IY0 [usa.gov]

Helped Congress pass and signed the Civil Rights History Act. http://bit.ly/th0JC8 [bit.ly]

He extended benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees. http://1.usa.gov/g2RLCj [usa.gov]

Obama has appointed more openly gay officials than anyone in history. http://bit.ly/g1lA7D [bit.ly]

He issued a Presidential Memorandum reaffirming the rights of gay couples to make medical decisions for each other. http://1.usa.gov/aUueGT [usa.gov]

He established a White House Council on Women and Girls http://1.usa.gov/rFfqMM [usa.gov]

He signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, restoring basic protections against pay discrimination for women and other workers. This was after the GOP blocked the bill in 2007. Only 5 Republican Senators voted for the bill. http://bit.ly/fT3Cxg [bit.ly]

Obama wrote and signed an Executive Order establishing a White House Council on Women and Girls to ensure that all Cabinet and Cabinet-level agencies evaluate the effect of their policies and programs on women and families. http://bit.ly/e1puTk [bit.ly]

He expanded funding for the Violence Against Women Act. http://1.usa.gov/dSbI0x [usa.gov]

Under Obama’s watch, National Labor Relations Board has issued final rules that require all employers to prominently post employees’ rights where all employees or prospective employees can see it, including websites and intranets, beginning November 2011. http://1.usa.gov/qu2EhQ [usa.gov]

Fighting Poverty.
Obama provided a $20 billion increase for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (Food Stamps). http://nyti.ms/gfLqyM [nyti.ms]

He signed an Executive Order that established the White House Office of Urban Affairs. http://wapo.st/eWECA8 [wapo.st]

Improved Foreign Relations and American Status Abroad.
Obama visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any previous president during his first six months in office. http://bit.ly/hZycda [bit.ly]

As he promised, he gave a speech at a major Islamic forum in Cairo early in his administration. http://nyti.ms/dKvY4g [nyti.ms]

He did much to restore America’s reputation around the world as a global leader that does the “right thing” in world affairs, at least according to the rest of the planet. http://bit.ly/h743y7 [bit.ly] http://bit.ly/ho4TCr [bit.ly]

He re-established and reinforced our partnership with NATO and other allies on strategic international issues. http://1.usa.gov/e7QuDj [usa.gov]

Closed a number of secret detention facilities. http://nyti.ms/rpUc9l [nyti.ms]

Obama improved relations with Middle East countries by appointing special envoys. http://1.usa.gov/tiGAGe [usa.gov]

He pushed for military to emphasize development of foreign language skills. http://bit.ly/AxUCLV [bit.ly]

Offered $400 million to the people living in Gaza, called on both Israel and the Palestinians to stop inciting violence. http://bit.ly/9axfWh [bit.ly]

He refused to give Israel the green light to attack Iran over their possible nuclear program. http://bit.ly/xVmSZK [bit.ly]

He worked to make donations to Haiti tax-deductible in 2009. http://huff.to/6YkAVY [huff.to]

He established a new U.S.-China Strategic and Economic Dialogue. http://1.usa.gov/eX28DP [usa.gov]

Issued Executive Order blocking interference and helping to stabilize Somalia. http://1.usa.gov/hxdf8U [usa.gov]

He established new, more reasonable policies in our relations with Cuba, such as allowing Cuban-Americans to visit their families and send money to support them. http://n.pr/hY3Kwa [n.pr] http://nyti.ms/emQBde [nyti.ms]

He ordered the closure of the prison at Guantanamo Bay. It was Republicans (and a smattering of Democrats) who prevented him from following through. http://bit.ly/eW6CVF [bit.ly]

Obama ordered a review of our detention and interrogation policy, and prohibited the use of torture, or what Bush called “enhanced interrogation.” He ordered interrogators to limit their actions to the Army Field manual. http://bit.ly/g6MTuC [bit.ly]

He ordered all secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere to be closed. http://bbc.in/h6N9ax [bbc.in]

He released the Bush torture memos. http://bit.ly/hWJ5z0 [bit.ly]

On his second day in office, he signed a detailed Executive Order that banned torture, reversed all Bush torture policies, and put the United States in compliance with the Geneva Convention. http://1.usa.gov/dL6Zve [usa.gov] http://nyti.ms/hzWWys [nyti.ms]

In response to the emerging “Arab Spring,” he created a Rapid Response fund, to assist emerging democracies with foreign aid, debt relief, technical assistance and investment packages in order to show that the United States stands with them. http://bit.ly/zfmGv9 [bit.ly]

Passed the Iran Sanctions Act, to prevent war, and to encourage Iran to give up their nuclear program. http://1.usa.gov/wLtNjb [usa.gov]

Ended the Iraq War. http://tgr.ph/ru0tyS [tgr.ph]

He authorized and oversaw a secret mission by SEAL Team Six to rescue two hostages held by Somali pirates. http://bit.ly/y8c9Fz [bit.ly]

Better Approach to “Defense.”
Obama created a comprehensive new strategy for dealing with the international nuclear threat. http://1.usa.gov/gDX1nE [usa.gov]

He authorized a $1.4 billion reduction in Star Wars program in 2010. http://1.usa.gov/gLFZl2 [usa.gov]

He restarted nuclear nonproliferation talks and built up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols to where they had been before Bush. http://lat.ms/gkcl3i [lat.ms]

He signed and pushed to ratification a new SALT Treaty. http://bit.ly/f3JVtw [bit.ly]

Negotiated and signed a new START Treaty that will last until at least 2021. http://1.usa.gov/cI1bC4 [usa.gov]

Through the Defense Authorization Act, he reversed the Bush Administration and committed to no permanent military bases in Iraq. http://bit.ly/hk73OJ [bit.ly]

He developed the first comprehensive strategy with regard to Afghanistan and Pakistan designed to facilitate the defeat of al Qaeda and the withdrawal of most troops, as well as the rebuilding of Afghanistan. http://wapo.st/ee4Xcs [wapo.st]

He returned our focus to Afghanistan, stabilized the country, and began the process of withdrawing our troops. http://bit.ly/lNXUna [bit.ly]

Fulfilled campaign promise and ended our involvement in Iraq, and will complete full troop withdrawal before Christmas 2011. http://onforb.es/nTUk4Z [onforb.es]

He took steps to severely weaken al Qaeda and limited their ability to terrorize the world. http://yhoo.it/n5lXs6 [yhoo.it]

He negotiated and signed a nuclear nonproliferation treaty with India. http://1.usa.gov/aHp0Cn [usa.gov]

He took decisive action to use NATO to limit the slaughter of innocents in Libya, so that the Libyan people could topple a despotic government and determine their own fate. http://aje.me/qAh4Sj [aje.me]

Treating Soldiers and Veterans with Respect

He made sure that families of fallen soldiers could be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB, by providing funding for it. He also ended the media blackout on coverage of the return of fallen soldiers.http://nyti.ms/glqN66 http://bbc.in/gWSSkA [bbc.in]

He funded Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) with an extra $1.4 billion to improve veterans’ services. http://1.usa.gov/huhqfo [usa.gov]

He provided the troops with better body armor. http://bit.ly/hzSv2h [bit.ly]

Created the Joint Virtual Lifetime Electronic Record program for military personnel, in order to improve the quality of their medical care. http://1.usa.gov/f4yaxW [usa.gov]

He put an end to the Bush-era stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan beyond their enlistment date. (personal note: my son will be in harm’s way for six fewer months with Obama as president, so you know I love this one). http://nyti.ms/e2YQ7Q [nyti.ms]

He supported and signed the Veterans Health Care Budget Reform and Transparency Act, which made more money available to enable better medical care for veterans. http://1.usa.gov/fN4ur1 [usa.gov]

He ushered through the largest spending increase in 30 years for the Department of Veterans Affairs for improved medical facilities, and to assist states in acquiring or constructing state nursing homes and extended care facilities. http://1.usa.gov/gY8O3x [usa.gov]

He created the Green Vet Initiative, which provided special funding to the Labor Department to provide veterans with training in green jobs. http://bit.ly/epwUQY [bit.ly]

He oversaw a $4.6 billion expansion of the Veterans Administration budget to pay for more mental health professionals. http://bit.ly/gjzTxX [bit.ly]

He has repeatedly increased funding for student financial aid, and at the same time cut the banks completely out of the process. http://bit.ly/gYWd30 [bit.ly] http://bit.ly/e9c7Dr [bit.ly] http://bit.ly/eEzTNq [bit.ly]

Completely reformed the student loan program, to make it possible for students to refinance at a lower rate. http://nyti.ms/dMvHOt [nyti.ms]

Through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act , he invested heavily in elementary, secondary and post-secondary education. http://1.usa.gov/gGRIAr [usa.gov] This includes a major expansion of broadband availability in K-12 schools nationwide http://bit.ly/fNDcj3 [bit.ly] , as well as an expansion in school construction. http://bit.ly/fYwNrV [bit.ly]

Also through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, he put $5 billion into early education, including Head Start. http://1.usa.gov/tzT2Rr [usa.gov]

Signed the Post-9/11 GI Bill, also known as GI Bill 2.0 http://bit.ly/hPhG7J [bit.ly]

He oversaw expansion of the Pell Grants program, to expand opportunity for low-income students to go to college. http://bit.ly/hI6tXz [bit.ly]

He passed the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act, which provided an extra $12.2 billion in funds. http://1.usa.gov/dQvtUe [usa.gov]

Greater Transparency and Better Government.
He signed an order banning gifts from lobbyists to anyone in the Executive Branch. http://bit.ly/fsBACN [bit.ly]

He signed an order banning anyone from working in an agency they had lobbied in previous years. He also put strict limits on lobbyists’ access to the White House. http://nyti.ms/gOrznV [nyti.ms]

He held the first-ever first online town hall from the White House, and took questions from the public. http://bit.ly/gVNSgX [bit.ly]

The Obama White House became the first to stream every White House event, live. http://1.usa.gov/kAgOP5 [usa.gov]

He established a central portal for Americans to find service opportunities. http://www.serve.gov/ [serve.gov]

He provided the first voluntary disclosure of the White House Visitors Log in history. http://1.usa.gov/hQ7ttV [usa.gov]

He crafted an Executive Order on Presidential Records, which restored the 30-day time frame for former presidents to review records, and eliminated the right for the vice president or family members of former presidents to do the reviews. This will provide the public with greater access to historic White House documents, and severely curtails the ability to use executive privilege to shield them.
http://1.usa.gov/gUetLb [usa.gov]

He improved aspects of the Freedom of Information Act, and issued new guidelines to make FOIA more open and transparent in the processing of FOIA requests. http://1.usa.gov/gjrnp2 [usa.gov]

National Safety and Security.
He’s restored federal agencies such as FEMA to the point that they have been able to manage a huge number of natural disasters successfully. http://bit.ly/h8Xj7z [bit.ly]

Authorized Navy SEALS to successfully secure the release of a US captain held by Somali pirates and increased patrols off the Somali coast. http://nyti.ms/efBO7B [nyti.ms]

Has repeatedly beefed up border security http://bit.ly/mMYB4i [bit.ly]

Ordered and oversaw the Navy SEALS operation that killed Osama bin Laden. http://bit.ly/jChpgw [bit.ly]

Science, Technology and Health Care.
He created a Presidential Memorandum to restore scientific integrity in government decision-making.
http://1.usa.gov/g2SDuw [usa.gov]

Opened up the process for fast-tracking patent approval for green energy projects. http://bit.ly/j0KV2U [bit.ly]

He eliminated the Bush-era restrictions on embryonic stem cell research. He also provided increased federal support for biomedical and stem cell research. http://bit.ly/h36SSO [bit.ly] http://ti.me/edezge [ti.me]

Through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, he committed more federal funding, about $18 billion, to support non-defense science and research labs. http://nyti.ms/fTs9t7 [nyti.ms]

He signed the Christopher and Dana Reeve Paralysis Act, the first comprehensive attempt to improve the lives of Americans living with paralysis. http://bit.ly/fOi2rb [bit.ly]

He expanded the Nurse-Family Partnership program, which provides home visits by trained registered nurses to low-income expectant mothers and their families, to cover more first-time mothers. http://bit.ly/jRRRJc [bit.ly]

His EPA reversed research ethics standards which allowed humans to be used as “guinea pigs” in tests of the effects of chemicals, to comply with numerous codes of medical ethics. http://bit.ly/bKgqdS [bit.ly]

Conducted a cyberspace policy review. http://1.usa.gov/gmbdvC [usa.gov]

Provided financial support for private sector space programs. http://bit.ly/fn8ucr [bit.ly]

He oversaw enhanced earth mapping, to provide valuable data for agricultural, educational, scientific, and government use. http://bit.ly/dNTRyP [bit.ly]

He ushered through a bill that authorized the Food and Drug Administration to regulate tobacco products. http://on.msnbc.com/fiKViB [msnbc.com] As a result, the FDA has Ordered Tobacco Companies to Disclose Cigarette Ingredients and banned sale of cigarettes falsely labeled as “light.”

Through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, he provided $500 million for Health Professions Training Programs. http://bit.ly/ecQSgA [bit.ly]

He also increased funding for community-based prevention programs. http://bit.ly/frMPG3 [bit.ly]

He oversaw a 50% decrease in cost of prescription drugs for seniors. http://bit.ly/e5b1iq [bit.ly] http://1.usa.gov/fVNkt9 [usa.gov]

He eliminated the Bush-era practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug companies on price. http://bit.ly/fOkG5b [bit.ly]

Two weeks after taking office, he signed the Children’s Health Insurance Re-authorization Act, which increased the number of children covered by health insurance by 4 million. http://bit.ly/fDEzGv [bit.ly]

He held a quick press conference, and urged Congress to investigate Anthem Blue Cross for raising premiums 39% without explanation. Rep. Waxman responded by launching a probe, and Anthem Blue Cross put the increase on hold for two months. http://yhoo.it/e8Tj9C [yhoo.it]

Ushered through and signed the Affordable Health Care Act, which expanded health insurance coverage to 30 million more people, and ended many common insurance company practices that are often detrimental to those with coverage. He also established http://www.healthcare.gov/ [healthcare.gov]

Through the Affordable Health Care Act, he allowed children to be covered under their parents’ policy until they turned 26. http://nyti.ms/fNB26V [nyti.ms]

Through the Affordable Health Care Act, he provided tax breaks to allow 3.5 million small business to provide health insurance to their employees, and 29 million people will receive tax breaks to help them afford health insurance. http://nyti.ms/fNB26V [nyti.ms]

Through the Affordable Health Care Act, he expanded Medicaid to those making up to 133% of the federal poverty level. http://nyti.ms/ekMWpo [nyti.ms]

Through the Affordable Health Care Act, health insurance companies now have to disclose how much of your premium actually goes to pay for patient care. http://nyti.ms/fNB26V [nyti.ms]

Provisions in Obama’s Affordable Health Care Act have already resulted in Medicare costs actually declining slightly this fiscal year, for the first time in many years, according to the Congressional Budget Office. Last year’s increase was 4%. Compare that to the average 12% annual inflation rate during the previous 40 years. http://1.usa.gov/oMxpTh [usa.gov]

Strengthening the Middle Class and Families

Obama worked to provide affordable, high-quality child care to working families. http://bit.ly/fNfidS [bit.ly]

He cracked down on companies that were previously denying sick pay, vacation and health insurance, and Social Security and Medicare tax payments through abuse of the employee classification of independent contractor. http://nyti.ms/fOGLcj [nyti.ms]

Through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act , he cut taxes for 95% of America’s working families. http://bit.ly/eSEI4F [bit.ly]

Under Obama, tax rates for average working families are the lowest they’ve been since 1950. http://bit.ly/f74pD8 [bit.ly]

He extended and fully funded the patch for the Alternative Minimum Tax for 10 years. http://bit.ly/eFeSdP [bit.ly]

He extended discounted COBRA health coverage for the unemployed from 9 months to 15 months, and he’s extended unemployment benefits several times. http://aol.it/evtVxD [aol.it] http://nyti.ms/emrqKJ [nyti.ms] http://bit.ly/hOtIpg [bit.ly] http://bit.ly/fTT7kz [bit.ly]

Environment and Energy.
He fast-tracked regulations to allow states to enact federal fuel efficiency standards that were above federal standards. http://nyti.ms/e8e94x [nyti.ms]

He fast-tracked increased fuel economy standards for vehicles beginning with the 2011 model year. It was the first time such standards had been increased in a decade. http://politi.co/hiaPKM [politi.co]

He oversaw the establishment of an Energy Partnership for the Americas, which creates more markets for American-made biofuels and green energy technologies. http://bit.ly/lZp73y [bit.ly]

His EPA reversed a Bush-era decision to allow the largest mountaintop removal project in US history. http://bit.ly/lP3yEL [bit.ly]

He ordered the Department of Energy to implement more aggressive efficiency standards for common household appliances. http://1.usa.gov/g3MTbu [usa.gov]

He ordered energy plants to prepare to produce at least 15% of all energy through renewable resources like wind and solar, by 2021. http://reut.rs/fV155p [reut.rs] (As you can see, Republicans are trying hard to kill it.)

He oversaw the creation of an initiative that converts old factories and manufacturing centers into new clean technology centers. http://bit.ly/mjnq2R [bit.ly]

Obama bypassed Republican opposition in Congress and ordered EPA to begin regulating and measuring carbon emissions. http://bit.ly/froaP5 [bit.ly]

His EPA ruled that CO2 is a pollutant. http://bit.ly/iQTSNN [bit.ly]

He doubled federal spending on clean energy research. http://bit.ly/iN0sCE [bit.ly]

He pushed through a tax credit to help people buy plug-in hybrid cars. http://bit.ly/j8UP5Y [bit.ly]

He created a program to develop renewable energy projects on the waters of our Outer Continental Shelf that will produce electricity from wind, wave, and ocean currents. http://1.usa.gov/fgfRWq [usa.gov]

Obama reengaged in the climate change and greenhouse gas emissions agreements talks, and even proposed one himself. He also addressed the U.N. Climate Change Conference, officially reversing the Bush-era stance that climate change was a “hoax.” http://bit.ly/dX6Vj3 [bit.ly] http://bit.ly/fE2PxK [bit.ly] http://nyti.ms/hfeqvv [nyti.ms]

He fully supported the initial phase of the creation of a legally binding treaty to reduce mercury emissions worldwide. http://bit.ly/eJ6QOO [bit.ly]

He required states to provide incentives to utilities to reduce their energy consumption. http://bit.ly/lBhk7P [bit.ly]

Following Bush’s eight year reign, he reengaged in a number of treaties and agreements designed to protect the Antarctic. http://bit.ly/fzQUFO [bit.ly]

Created tax write-offs for purchases of hybrid automobiles, and later he and Democrats morphed that program into one that includes electric cars. http://bit.ly/glCukV [bit.ly]

Mandated that federal government fleet purchases be for fuel-efficient American vehicles, and encouraged that federal agencies support experimental, fuel-efficient vehicles. http://bit.ly/h5KZqy [bit.ly] http://1.usa.gov/fLWq5c [usa.gov] http://1.usa.gov/hmUSbk [usa.gov]

Obama oversaw and pushed through an amendment to the Oil Pollution Act of 1990 authorizing advances from Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund for the Deepwater Horizon oil spill. http://1.usa.gov/yTRYVo [usa.gov]

He also actively tried to amend the Oil Pollution Act of 1990 to eliminate the liability limits for those companies responsible for large oil spills. http://nyti.ms/bxjDi3 [nyti.ms]

He initiated Criminal and Civil inquiries into the Deepwater Horizon oil spill. http://nyti.ms/bVuB7a [nyti.ms]

Through Obama’s EPA, he asserted federal legal supremacy, and barred Texas from authorizing new refinery permits on its own. http://bit.ly/ww8eMd [bit.ly]

He strengthened the Endangered Species Act. http://bit.ly/hscjsH [bit.ly]

His EPA improved boiler safety standards to improve air quality, and save 6500 lives per year. http://bit.ly/jYH7nt [bit.ly]

Through the EPA, he took steps to severely limit the use of antibiotics in livestock feed, to increase their efficacy in humans. http://bit.ly/fBuWd2 [bit.ly]

Obama increased funding for National Parks and Forests by 10% http://bit.ly/fbJPjY [bit.ly]

He announced greatly improved commercial fuel efficiency standards. http://1.usa.gov/oQiC1K [usa.gov]

He announced the development of a huge increase in average fuel economy standards from 27.5mpg to 35.5mpg starting in 2016 and 54.5 starting in 2025 http://1.usa.gov/qtghsW [usa.gov]

Other Stuff.
Obama has expanded trade agreements to include stricter labor and environmental agreements such as NAFTA. http://bit.ly/etznpY [bit.ly]

He oversaw funding of the design of a new Smithsonian National Museum of African-American History, which is scheduled to open on the National Mall in 2015. He protected the funding during the recent budget negotiations. http://on.fb.me/fD0EVO [on.fb.me] http://bit.ly/ff5Luv [bit.ly]

Oversaw and passed increased funding for the National Endowment for the Arts. http://bit.ly/dFb8qF [bit.ly]

Obama nominated Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan to the Supreme Court. Sotomayor is the first Hispanic Justice in the court’s history, and the women represent only the third and fourth women to serve on the court, out of a total of 112 justices. http://huff.to/eOChg6 [huff.to] http://bit.ly/i02wgP [bit.ly]

He appointed the most diverse Cabinet in history, including more women than any other incoming president. http://bit.ly/dX6vNB [bit.ly]

He eliminated federal funding for abstinence-only education, and he rescinded the global gag rule. http://bit.ly/eCFAI1 [bit.ly] http://bit.ly/f92drF [bit.ly]

Obama loosened the rules and allowed the 14 states that legalized medical marijuana to regulate themselves without federal interference. http://huff.to/eQfa7j [huff.to]

His FDA banned the use of antibiotics in livestock production. http://bit.ly/jUjLzo [bit.ly]

Obama ushered through and signed national service legislation, increasing funding for national service groups, including triple the size of the Americorps program. http://bit.ly/idgQH5 [bit.ly]

Re:herpa derp (1)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about 8 months ago | (#46751385)

If you're going to re-post someone else's extensive work, A) don't falsely suggest it's "a short list" when it's clearly an exhaustive list, and B) link to your source material [hamell.net] so that the original author can get some recognition for their efforts, rather than implicitly claiming it as your own by not providing attribution.

Second, I never suggested he had failed to accomplish anything, though I can see why you might infer that from my post. To clarify, I was attacking the previous poster's notion that Obama was a "dreamer" of sufficient merit to be mentioned in the same breath with the Wright brothers and Woz. To me, that seems like a poor characterization, particularly given his recent track record (none of which is in your copypasta, since your post is outdated by a couple of years), most of which has demonstrated that he's simply more of the same as his predecessor.

Re:herpa derp (1)

NotDrWho (3543773) | about 8 months ago | (#46750593)

Dreamers risked their lives to build the first airplane, risked their career on the first microcomputers

Dreamers also risked their lives on a million other products that failed. But Business Week never writes stories about them.

Re:herpa derp (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 8 months ago | (#46750901)

but the first controlled flight was built upon decades of trial; and error, and by 1000's of people.

Re:herpa derp (1)

Em Adespoton (792954) | about 8 months ago | (#46751315)

but the first controlled flight was built upon decades of trial; and error, and by 1000's of people.

In other words, the Wright Bros.* flew on the backs of giants. Just in case you wondered how they got off the ground and stayed afloat.

*Yeah; Wright Bros.' claim to first controlled flight is just as strong as their claim to first successful bike repair shop; don't let it detract you from the joke.

They need more publicity (3, Insightful)

tooslickvan (1061814) | about 8 months ago | (#46750155)

Perhaps if they posted about their product on well know tech blogs with links to contribute then maybe it will work.

Re:They need more publicity (2)

gstoddart (321705) | about 8 months ago | (#46750191)

Perhaps if they posted about their product on well know tech blogs with links to contribute then maybe it will work.

If you're about $3 Million short of being able to start your prototypes, pay your lawyers, and move into your offices ... you need much more than publicity.

Re:They need more publicity (4, Insightful)

njnnja (2833511) | about 8 months ago | (#46750577)

you need much more than publicity.

... only if their goal is to actually create a company that manufactures flying cars. If, however, their goal is to take a lot of people's money without giving them any legally recognized equity ownership or role in corporate governance, then I think that publicity is exactly what they need.

Gatling guns? (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about 8 months ago | (#46750159)

'In detail we aim to create an urban dual-mode, hybrid flight and electric drive motorized vehicle that fits into sustainable mobility.'

Does it have gattling guns? Can it be used for urban pacification? Does it have stealth technology?

If not ... well, you're just another in a long line of people hoping to create a flying car.

Many of us have long since relegated the idea into the long-since cliche bucket. And since I don't trust most people to drive in the mostly 2 dimensions offered by cars ... I really don't trust most people with a z axis.

If you want to save money, here's a hint ... don't get offices in Silicon Valley before you've got a product.

Re:Gatling guns? (0)

Arker (91948) | about 8 months ago | (#46751297)

1. Flying cars exist, and have for decades. Look up Moller. They have a really good product already engineered, they just need to pay off the FAA before they can start selling. So I would back their project rather than this one.

2. Adding a third dimension actually expands the driving space dramatically, alleviating congestion and making collisions less likely since there is so much more space to use. Certainly there would be safety issues but there is no reason to think they would be more severe than the issues with groundbound automobiles. Are you in favor of banning them too?

Getting started (1)

Tablizer (95088) | about 8 months ago | (#46750193)

In bigger cities, such a contraption would have to be computer-controlled to reduce the risk of human error to an acceptable level. But perhaps if something gets going in a rural area, investments in city-friendly control infrastructure will follow. Thus, it doesn't have to start out being city-ready; it just has to start out (and gain usage).

Something like NASA's vertical-takeoff Puffin design sounds like the way to go for those without big yards or landing spots. Although, that's not really a "car". But "mass commuter planes" is close enough. 2D traffic sucks here; time to up-grade.

Re:Getting started (4, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | about 8 months ago | (#46750257)

2D traffic sucks here; time to up-grade.

I see way too many examples of people not understanding how to drive their car in 2D.

The idea of many of these same drivers being expected to navigate in 3D is terrifying.

There's a reason why getting a pilots license is much harder than getting a driving license. And the idiots I see around me talking on their phone, texting while driving, and weaving all over the place and making random lane changes ... these people in a flying car would be utterly dangerous.

Re:Getting started (1)

ewibble (1655195) | about 8 months ago | (#46750617)

I agree that most people would not be able to fly a car, but getting cars to fly themselves is possible, probably easier in some ways, you don't have those pesky pedestrians to get in your way, you can make all flying cars computer controlled from the start so you remove other stupid motorists from the equation.

Re:Getting started (1)

meta-monkey (321000) | about 8 months ago | (#46750621)

Last week I saw somebody texting while riding a bike. Shit you not.

Re:Getting started (2)

tsa (15680) | about 8 months ago | (#46750699)

Here in the Netherlands people do that all the time.

Re:Getting started (1)

pr0fessor (1940368) | about 8 months ago | (#46750627)

Not to mention how upkeep on a flying vehicle would be paramount because a breakdown would be far more dangerous. Vehicles broke down on the side of the road would drop from the sky on whatever is below. You see them on the side of the road all the time each one could have been a horrible accident if they were 100ft in the air.

The flying car I've always thought sounded very cool but was far to impractical to actually use. {Not that wouldn't want one to play with but I don't live in a city}

Re:Getting started (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 8 months ago | (#46750945)

blahblahblah, whinewhnewhine.
Because there isn't a way to deal with those issues at all.. nope. lets just give up because gstoddart doesn't like it.

Re:Getting started (2)

Kjella (173770) | about 8 months ago | (#46751343)

If we had anti-gravity cars like those in "The Jetsons" then I think it'd be fine, we'd need some kind of virtual lane system with upwards/downwards corridors as a heads up display and an emergency parachute (space capsule style?) to save your ass but it'd work and you could stay to sane consumer speeds with high speed high altitude "interstates". Anything that depends on wings for lift though has to stay at very high speeds and can't practically stop for anything, even if you have a VTOL system hovering for even an extremely brief time will burn through your fuel in no time. If you think it's bad now, wait until slamming the brakes is not an option.

Re:Getting started (1)

tsa (15680) | about 8 months ago | (#46750693)

In rural areas you use a bike or the tube. Flying cars will only create more chaos and accidents. And we have enough of them already in urban areas.

I came up with a great idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46750235)

for a flying car. It would have wings and a compartment for people to sit. I figured that people would need a place to takeoff and land, long strips of asphalt should do the trick. Then I figured that with all these flying cars going over people's houses, it might be a good idea to come up with some kind of rules that people should follow to ensure they don't run into each other mid flight. Perhaps this could be regulated by the government somehow as a sort of traffic control, but in the air. Next I thought it may be a good idea to just leave our flying cars at a hangar next to these strips of asphalt so we don't have the added fuel costs of trucking around those large wings. If that's the case then we could make the wings fixed and don't have to worry about space on normal roads. If we got good enough at making these vehicles then we could make them larger and even so large as to have multiple stories of passenger compartments. They could rent out space for trips back and forth between different strips of asphalt in different cities. The fact that they might be difficult to drive/fly may indicate we'd need a sort of licensing system to only allow qualified people to fly them since failure may result in catastrophe. Over time I'd imagine the safety would far surpass that of traveling between cities in a normal car. I don't know not a very good idea, but one can dream!

Re:I came up with a great idea (1)

rubycodez (864176) | about 8 months ago | (#46751007)

I'm not sure your traffic control people should be in the air, maybe they could be in a kind of tower high enough to at least see both ends of the asphalt strips. One problem is that the drivers of these flying cars might anthropomorphize the tower and start addressing it as "tower" when talking over a radio to the traffic control people in the tower. Another would be the difficulty in seeing the license plates on the flying cars, maybe bigger numbers could be painted on the sides of the vehicle toward the tail end.

Strongly Opposed to Flying Cars (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46750237)

I mean them Duke boys won't have enough breath left, it would be all "Yeeeeeeeee" and no "Haw"

And what then I ask you what. then.

So many reasons not too... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46750241)

1) Silicon valley? No. There's talent in Silicon Valley, but it's expensive as hell. $3.1M to build a functional prototype? In Silicon Valley that won't pay the phone bill.

2) They don't have a prototype and htey want $3M? Nope. Find another way, prove your tech first.

3) More like a helicopter than an aeroplane? Nope. Airplanes are MUCH easier to fly than a helicopter; the average person cannot do this.

4) Flying cars? No. Never ever ever will the FAA allow such a thing. This is chasing a market that doesn't exist. The one and only sole market for a flying car is government vehicles only with highly trained operators, so EMTs, Police, Firemen, etc. Maybe a heavily regulated expensive taxi service but even then highly unlikely. I've never seen one with the lift capacity to come close to being a freight hauler or even a bus; 2-4 people seems to be the max.

Re:So many reasons not too... (1)

Anaerin (905998) | about 8 months ago | (#46750359)

3) More like a helicopter than an aeroplane? Nope. Airplanes are MUCH easier to fly than a helicopter; the average person cannot do this.

Perhaps they're thinking of a Gyrocopter (or Autogyro) [wikipedia.org] . That has the advantage of small size (No need for large fixed wings) without the complication of dealing with a collective stick system.

Personally, I was always interested in the "Land Shark" project [archive.org] (Archive.org link, as the original has since disappeared). The idea was to have a tadpole-style trike that, when on water, would use it's turbine-shaped rear wheel hub to propel it as it hydroplaned on the front wheel's lowered mudguards. Simple, and effective, but unfortunately it never got off the ground. A shame, really.

Re:So many reasons not too... (2)

Grishnakh (216268) | about 8 months ago | (#46750387)

government vehicles only with highly trained operators, so EMTs, Police, Firemen, etc.

Highly trained? Have you seen the way cops drive? They can't even be bothered to use turn signals.

Re:So many reasons not too... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46750833)

Agreed. hence the emphasis hghly trained. They would need a lot more certification to have flying pursuit vehicles.

Not getting funded. (1)

Animats (122034) | about 8 months ago | (#46750243)

Current status: "€140 raised of €2,250,000 goal".

The thing is, it's quite possible to build a flying car. The prototypes of the 1950s make that clear. The world needs some good small VTOL craft. But none of the people doing it seem to be able to bring it off.

Small jet engines cost too much but can make VTOL work. Wankel engines (the Moller embarassment) or electric motors and batteries (this thing) don'tt have the power/weight ratio needed to do it well. It's probably quite possible to build a battery powered VTOL today, but the flight time will be a few minutes, like quadcopters.

Re:Not getting funded. (0)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | about 8 months ago | (#46750293)

Flying cars are technically possible.

Flying cars however are not desirable for everyday drivers: they have a hard enough time managing 2 dimensions, we don't need them to occupy a third. So unless they're fully automatic in flight mode (with manual control disabled), flying cars can only be flown by trained pilot.

The market for pilots who want a plane that turns into a car is very small. That's why flying cars won't happen - not enough money in it.

Re:Not getting funded. (5, Insightful)

Grishnakh (216268) | about 8 months ago | (#46750393)

We already have flying cars: they're called "helicopters". They're absurdly expensive to operate, even the small 2-seater models, they're absurdly difficult to operate and require an enormous amount of training, and they're extremely dangerous.

If you want a way to move people around faster, the answer is SkyTran.

Re:Not getting funded. (3, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | about 8 months ago | (#46750957)

Helicopter are not flying cars. They are a vertical airlift vehicle. Can you drive one around on the free way? take off where ever you want? go to a 30th floor McDonalds drive through?

This is what people dream of when the want a flying car:
http://justacarguy.blogspot.co... [blogspot.com]

Re:Not getting funded. (1)

bigpat (158134) | about 8 months ago | (#46750571)

Personally I don't have a pilots license because I don't have the money to waste on something that is of no economic benefit. If I could fly from point A to point B and get their in half the time and avoid traffic for similar costs to a car, then I would learn and adapt. And so would a lot of other people.

Even if not everyone is suited to flying, as you suggest, then getting a portion of the population off the roads would still make a huge impact on traffic and ultimately allow us to grow our economy without needing to make diminishing return type of investments in transportation infrastructure.

Re:Not getting funded. (1)

sabri (584428) | about 8 months ago | (#46751245)

Personally I don't have a pilots license because I don't have the money to waste on something that is of no economic benefit.

Well, I have been fortunate enough to be able to afford a pilot's license and I could not give a rat's ass about the economic benefit. There is nothing better than flying around in an airplane on a sunny day, at 1500ft above the Golden Gate bridge. And I will even go one step further: my first solo flight was the best day of my life. That includes losing my virginity and getting married. Check the continuous smile on this pilot's face during a first solo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... [youtube.com] .

Who cares about economic benefit. If you can ever afford it, go for it! If you can't afford the license, go take an introductory flight at your local flight school and at least enjoy it for a brief moment.

Re:Not getting funded. (2)

bigpat (158134) | about 8 months ago | (#46750491)

Why does a small jet engine have to cost too much? A quick search of jet turbines for model aircraft shows that the 52lbs max thrust P200-SX from JetCat costs $5,495. Sure you would need 6 or 7 of these to get an average sized adult off the ground vertically with some minimal airframe, but we aren't talking about millions of dollars we are talking about something under $100k to put together some sort of ultralight VTOL.

I think the best flying car hope right now is actually in the small autonomous UAV space, but we need the FAA to start allowing more commercial development of UAVs in certain areas away from heavily populated areas.

All the other technical hurdles seem pretty manageable for at least moving us along the cost/performance curve to make small VTOL aircraft more affordable for more people.

Re:Not getting funded. (1)

rubycodez (864176) | about 8 months ago | (#46751079)

you're not an engineer, are you. Maybe you should think of the weight of the fuel it would take to power eight (one adult one ultralight frame) engines for even 20 minutes at max thrust. Answer, 120 liters, 96 kilos of kerosene. Oops, guess we need another engine to lift that....

Re:Not getting funded. (1)

Animats (122034) | about 8 months ago | (#46751137)

Why does a small jet engine have to cost too much? A quick search of jet turbines for model aircraft shows that the 52lbs max thrust P200-SX from JetCat costs $5,495. Sure you would need 6 or 7 of these to get an average sized adult off the ground vertically with some minimal airframe, but we aren't talking about millions of dollars we are talking about something under $100k to put together some sort of ultralight VTOL.

The JetCat isn't man-rated. It's for model aircraft.

A JetCat needs an overhaul every 50 hours of operation. Mean time to failure is maybe a few hundred hours. A commercial jetliner turbine needs an overhaul every 3500 to 5000 hours of operation. Mean time to failure is around 100,000 hours.

A Williams FJ44 is suitable for light aircraft, and could be used for a VTOL, but a pair of them costs over $1M.

That's a scam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46750249)

You can see it from a mile off.

Wrong question (1)

jamesl (106902) | about 8 months ago | (#46750269)

Right question: "Will This Flying Car Get Off the Ground?" As in, "Will This Flying Car Ever Make a Profit?"

Just like all others before it, no.

Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46750271)

As (I believe) George Carlin once said- "Everyone going faster than you is a maniac- *zoooooom* "Look at this maniac!", and everyone going slower than you is a moron- "Aw geez, look at this moron! *honk, honk*."

Now, do you want all these maniacs and morons flying above your house?!? I sure as heck don't.

And that, ladies and gentleman, is why 'Flying Cars' will never happen.

Indiegogo (1)

jythie (914043) | about 8 months ago | (#46750273)

Well, they are good for a laugh sometimes at least.

That they are looking for 'cool offices' in silicone valley tells me they are probably not going to spend any money they get all that wisely... which might be why they do not have enough.

Doesn't matter if it gets funded. (3, Informative)

CastrTroy (595695) | about 8 months ago | (#46750285)

It doesn't matter if it gets funded because it won't get built. If it flies, it's controlled by the FAA, and you'll be required to have a pilot's license to fly it. Not only that, but even if it has vertical take off you'll still have to take off from an airport or other helicopter pad or some other designated area. Your neighbours aren't going to stand for the sound of propellers spinning up every morning so you can fly off to work. And spinning props aren't very safe with kids and pets around. If you have to go to the airport and fly from there, and land at another airport, you might as well just drive to the airport, get in a real plane (rented most likely to save money), and then rent a car at your destination. There is simply no reason for a flying car to ever happen.

Re:Doesn't matter if it gets funded. (3, Informative)

Grishnakh (216268) | about 8 months ago | (#46750409)

You don't have to fly helicopters from any kind of designated area, as long as you're in Class G airspace. Of course, this excludes probably every municipality, and means you can only land in your backyard if you live in the sticks. And there's still the problem of where to land, unless your office is also in the sticks.

Re:Doesn't matter if it gets funded. (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 8 months ago | (#46750591)

You don't have to fly helicopters from any kind of designated area, as long as you're in Class G airspace.

Isn't that kind of like saying, "you don't have to have a license to drive a car, as long as you're not on a public road?"

Re:Doesn't matter if it gets funded. (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | about 8 months ago | (#46750635)

Not exactly, because most of the country is Class G airspace, and aircraft aren't limited to public roads. There's even lots of Class G airspace not too far from cities, located underneath controlled airspace. However you still might have to worry about local ordinances and such.

Re:Doesn't matter if it gets funded. (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 8 months ago | (#46750819)

Not exactly, because most of the country is Class G airspace, and aircraft aren't limited to public roads. There's even lots of Class G airspace not too far from cities, located underneath controlled airspace. However you still might have to worry about local ordinances and such.

Ah, so closer to the opposite of what I said.

Learn somethin' new every day.

Re:Doesn't matter if it gets funded. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46750839)

Yeah, but you're still going to need a pilots license with an endorsement to fly helicopters. And for as much as this is going to cost ($1.3 mil), I think I'd rather pick up a Cirrus SR-22 and a Porsche 911, and rent a hanger down at the local airport to park them.

Re:Doesn't matter if it gets funded. (1)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about 8 months ago | (#46750443)

Not if the flight mode is totally autonomous. Lets say you don't need interstates anymore. If you want to travel a large distance you drive to a platform somewhere and set your destination. The computer takes over and off you go. Once it lands a few hundred miles away you take over again.

Re:Doesn't matter if it gets funded. (1)

craighansen (744648) | about 8 months ago | (#46750511)

"Imagine, stalking elk past department store windows and stinking racks of beautiful rotting dresses and tuxedos on hangers; you'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life, and you'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. Jack and the beanstalk, you'll climb up through the dripping forest canopy and the air will be so clean you'll see tiny figures pounding corn and laying strips of venison to dry in the empty car pool lane of an abandoned superhighway stretching eight-lanes-wide and August-hot for a thousand miles."

Fight Club - yeah, I'm talking 'bout it. Whatchu gotta rule or sompthin'?

Re:Doesn't matter if it gets funded. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46750529)

Current law wasn't designed to support things that haven't been invented yet.

Marvelous insight there.

It's too bad the FAA can never, ever change their regulations, no matter what.

A flying car is cheap (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | about 8 months ago | (#46750609)

If you think it costs a lot to develop and build a flying car, wait until you find out how much it costs to change the FAA regulations.

Flying madness continues... (1)

bussdriver (620565) | about 8 months ago | (#46750599)

Ok, you get all the issues resolved. Then comes the physics and economics... so you get your Mr. Fusion to power all these flying cars from bits of trash thrown into the affordable reaction chamber, then you have to find a way to transform all that waste heat the things are going to give off in huge amounts times the number of cars. Remember, nothing is going to be 100% efficient and anything using propellers... Then you have the majority of horizontal movement energy wasted because after 60mph most of that is put into pushing against the wind...

All this so you can save some money and time on roads? It takes almost nothing by comparison to roll you around on the ground at slower speeds. We have troubles funding the cheap individual vehicles today... or at least people complain a whole lot about the costs and it's not so bad that we are driving at half speed to save on gas which costs less than bottled water.... but the energy costs for flying are just much greater.

Insurance... imagine the insurance... and all the GM recalls not performed...because the death toll doesn't cost them enough $ (and the likely continuation of tort reform means they can afford even more damage.)

Re:Doesn't matter if it gets funded. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46750981)

... If you have to go to the airport and fly from there, and land at another airport, you might as well just drive to the airport, get in a real plane (rented most likely to save money), and then rent a car at your destination. There is simply no reason for a flying car to ever happen.

If these kinds of things work technically, some municipalities and even smaller developments might build small airstrips to attract homeowners/raise prices.

As to the destination, it would only work if there are smaller airports near your office. But if you can skip an hour of traffic and only drive the first and last 10 minutes of your trip this should be attractive to you. Many cities keep a smaller airports in the city limits even after moving their main flights to a big airport farther away, and they can service a number of flights until these get too popular.

Personally I think flying cars are barking up the wrong tree. A flying motorcycle would be much cheaper, lighter, and there are already sports motorcycles with the necessary power/weight ratio. Add some detachable wings and propellers to be stowed on either side of the journey and you have a better change at something practical than a terrafugia-style flimsy/clumsy car that can easily get damaged in traffic.

Awesome (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46750297)

That would make for one interesting police chase! Just imagine the look on their face when their perp pops out some wings and fucking flies away.

Pun Slap (2)

Tablizer (95088) | about 8 months ago | (#46750311)

Are you saying this project can't get off the ground?

why? (1)

fermion (181285) | about 8 months ago | (#46750337)

A hovering car certainly has applications. It would require less expensive roads and would be, in principle, much more self driving than a car on wheels. It would have to be as it will likely be difficult to control purely by human means. But a flying car. We essential have those. You just need a pilots license and have begin and end locations near an airfield for takeoff and landings. Of course air fields are not nearly as prolific as they used to be.

Not gonna happen (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46750351)

Until we have systems that automatically fly a vehicle, this is never going to happen. You think the roads are bad...just wait till all the idiots can ...fly? Right...

I would be willing to invest in those automated system though.

Wake me up they have vacuum dirigibles (3, Interesting)

sabernet (751826) | about 8 months ago | (#46750379)

When the material sciences are to the point where a lightweight container can sustain Earth atmospheric pressure from crushing down on it, we'll have a practical way to take off vertically without prompting your neighbours to invest in surface to air missiles when you crank the engine on one of these in the morning on your daily commute.

Short answer. (1)

jcochran (309950) | about 8 months ago | (#46750457)


They have it all wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46750641)

They say *they* letting us have a chance of being part of aviation history. Looks more like they are begging *us* to fund some serious hc shit project.

Better to Call It a Helicopter Alternative (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46750647)

Honestly, why don't they just try to sell the idea to one of the major helicopter companies?

Also, if they want funding, they are going to need more than CGI to prove how far they are going to come, they will have to do something to prove the challenges they have overcome and that the idea is even viable at all.

No chance in hell this will be done (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46750675)

The same applies to all projects so far put forward: they will always be too expensive for the average user and, more critically, they rely on technologies that make them, for all practical purposes, airplanes that can be driven on a road. Flying cars will become a reality only when the following conditions are met:

1) A technology that allows the devices to stay aloft under all conditions. What we see in movies and all that seems to be sort of antigravity or magnetic levitation technology. The former would only happen following a fundamental revolution in our understanding of physics, and the latter is not likely to fulfill the aspirations depicted in movies. We could of course achieve something similar with the equivalent of hot air balloons - but this is ridiculous as many of the futuristic ideas aired in the 19th century.

2) A new and phenomenal source of energy. Not the stuff we already know about (solar, nuclear, etc.) but something again deeply connected with a future understanding of physics.

Ergo flying cars are not coming into your neighborhood any time soon, if ever.

Will never get off the ground... (2)

Amtrak (2430376) | about 8 months ago | (#46750679)

I'll believe in this when the car flys.

Re:Will never get off the ground... (1)

tulcod (1056476) | about 8 months ago | (#46751359)

Well that's a rather easy claim to make...

You're right it won't fly (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46751413)

You're right it won't fly. Also if it does it won't get a certificate because loss of one engine or ducted fan will send it into a spin due to asymmetric thrust due to the ducted fans being at the ends of the wings. (Note there is a reason why the V-22 Osprey has twin tails)

Pay them for a boondoggle (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46750697)

FTA. The $3M is to move them to Silicon Valley. No prototypes, nothing tangible. Basically they want a bunch of chumps to fund moving them to SV where they can blow the money and then say "Sorry we have to close".

Likely joke posting or a really stupid scam (1)

janoc (699997) | about 8 months ago | (#46750775)

So, Indiegogo flexible funding campaign? I.e. they get money even if the campaign doesn't meet the goals? 4 years in development and nothing to show on the project page apart from a few renders that any kid can do in a day in 3DS Max or Blender? They throw big names like DASSAULT or Airbus around, ostensibly as being interested, but they need a few millions on Indiegogo? The perks are an obvious joke (40k euro for an old Renault Espace? You got to be kidding ...).

Mr. Chorostecki appears to be an economic consultant (nothing to do with aerospace whatsoever: http://www.figxy.com/ [figxy.com] )
Mr. Buron is a design/creative consultant (with http://buron.phpnet.org/fre/ag... [phpnet.org] )
And the third founder Desauvage is, surprise, "creative director".

I wonder whether "inventor and designer" means "I have drawn something in Photoshop and now I only need someone to build it for me", because none of these guys has any relevant engineering qualifications whatsoever.

Oh and it seems they weren't very welcome in France for whatever reason in 2013 ( http://www.ladepeche.fr/articl... [ladepeche.fr] ), so that's why they want to go to Silicon Valley ... The article also mentions that the vehicle was to be all-electric (yeah right, pipe dreams ...).

The probability that any backers, who would put actually money into this, will see anything from this project, is pretty much zero, IMO.

How the fuck do you pronounce Skylys? (1)

Noxal (816780) | about 8 months ago | (#46750785)

Sky lice?
Sky lees?

Re:How the fuck do you pronounce Skylys? (2)

geekoid (135745) | about 8 months ago | (#46750855)

"sky lies" would be my guess....

For something that's actually happening.. (1)

jcr (53032) | about 8 months ago | (#46750809)

If you want a flying car, check out e-volo. [e-volo.com] They've flown their prototypes, they've got the cooperation of the German government, and apparently adequate funding to bring it to market.


Re:For something that's actually happening.. (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | about 8 months ago | (#46751093)

umm, that's a helicopter, not a flying car. It even says so on their front page.

Re:For something that's actually happening.. (1)

rubycodez (864176) | about 8 months ago | (#46751109)

forget it, one big-ass rotor is far more efficient and generates far more lift than a bunch of small ones. that thing has 20 minute flight time, and needs by their words a "range extender" for more than that, a combustion engine. there is a reason basics of helicopter design has not changed in decades, nothing else makes sense.

Let's clear some things up (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 8 months ago | (#46750851)

When people want a flying car, they want this:
http://justacarguy.blogspot.co... [blogspot.com]

No props, no fans, not load noise.

indiegogo (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 8 months ago | (#46750869)

your one stop scammer shop.
You can also find magical medical 'devices' and perpetual motion machines.

Excellent. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46750897)

Every crowdfunded venture I've invested in has been bust so far, save one - which is over a year late. Therefore, I shall do us a service and invest in this, with high hopes of a 93% chance of it never seeing the light of day.

As a California resident, I do not want the same jackasses that drive the I-5 in control of flying vehicles. The average person can't properly deal with two dimensions, let alone three.

With trust in almighty providence, and that the FAA will never let people get a flying car license out of a Cracker Jack box, let us join hands and kill this abominable idea.

A bit behind the times (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46751039)

Moller have already been doing this, for decades!

Nonsense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46751171)

A quick google search finds that Patrick Pietrzak has two patents from 20 years ago that are not remotely related to aerospace. Jean-Claude Gallard as head of research & industrial project manager is related to Thales Avionics, which produces avionics products but not air frames. Gary Chorostecki who is co-founder and co-inventor does not have any patents according to google. Quote from their crowd funding page:

"For a few reasons, our small personal initial cash flow has run out over the past four years trying to build it on our own, and we have never been as close to getting this "off the ground"."

I guess it was in their interest not to detail the few reasons that might make them fail again when funded again? Also "close" may mean anything here. As I see it they only have shiny renderings that anyone can do with Blender. 2 million don't get you a prototype either, especially when you factor in labor and certifications.

Also notice the total absence of terms that aerospace engineers would use to describe their inventions.

Laugh (1)

koan (80826) | about 8 months ago | (#46751227)

No one needs a flying car, that's why it's still fantasy and these jag offs want you to pay for the next few years of high life for them.

A pony with sparkles (2)

joe_frisch (1366229) | about 8 months ago | (#46751355)

5 year old girls want a pony with sparkles - or maybe a unicorn, but they can't have one. Commuters want a flying car but they can't have one either.

Aircraft fly by moving a lot of air downward in order to counteract gravity. If they move less air quickly the total power the need goes up (force goes as mass/second * velocity, power goes as mass/second * velocity SQUARED). So, in order to be efficient they need to have very big wings, or very big helicopter rotors, or very big low density volumes.

Look at all conventional aircraft, they have BIG wings. Those wings will not fit on roads. So if you want a flying car you are left with a clunky folding wing contraption that is a terrible car AND a terrible airplane. No matter how pretty the CGI or fiberglass mock-up design it just isn't going to work.

Re:A pony with sparkles (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 8 months ago | (#46751417)

But they built a 10th scale model!

Physics and fluid dynamics obviously scale perfectly.
My 16th scale RC car goes 65kph. There are full size electric cars with motors no larger than a microwave that go 1000kph all over the place.
Wait a minute...

So... (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 8 months ago | (#46751383)

Despite the fact that most flexible funding indiegogo projects are scams and unless you donate huge amounts of money you get nothing of value back?

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