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How Apple's CarPlay Could Shore Up the Car Stereo Industry

Soulskill posted about 6 months ago | from the but-i-like-having-63-tiny-buttons-to-press-while-driving dept.

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Velcroman1 writes: "Car stereo salesmen and installers around the country are hoping Apple's CarPlay in-car infotainment system will have a big presence in the aftermarket car stereo industry. The Nikkei Asian Review reports that Alpine is making car stereo head units for between $500 – $700 that will run the iOS-like system Apple unveiled last month, and Macrumors added Clarion to the list of CarPlay supporters. Pioneer is also getting into the game, with support said to be coming to existing car stereo models in its NEX line ($700 – $1400) via firmware update, according to Twice. Given Apple's wildly supportive fan base, its likely that a lot of aftermarket CarPlay units are about to fly off stereo shop shelves. Indeed, CarPlay coming to aftermarket stereo units could bring back what Apple indirectly stole from the industry going back as far as 2006."

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in-car is legacy-ware (1, Offtopic)

turkeydance (1266624) | about 6 months ago | (#46762245)

no further comment.

Re:in-car is legacy-ware (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46762367)

Wow! What a bunch of stinking fucking jigaboo african niggers!

Wouldn't trust Apple (2, Insightful)

StripedCow (776465) | about 6 months ago | (#46762263)

I wouldn't trust Apple. When this becomes successful, before you know it, they will force other manufacturers out of the market. Look at how they are controlling the app-store, and forcing developers to not compete with Apple's products.

Re:Wouldn't trust Apple (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46762359)

Of course they will. That beautiful system in all its glory. Like Google would. Or Microsoft. Or any other ginormous American company that bribes itself out of trouble. Fair competition doesn't work anymore. Next system please.

Re:Wouldn't trust Apple (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46762441)

Most of Apple's customers are children, yuppies, and idiots. No one who actually understands technology[hardware and software] and mathematics buys Apple products.

Re:Wouldn't trust Apple (-1, Flamebait)

Goody (23843) | about 6 months ago | (#46763147)

You have to move out of mom's basement to understand the value of Apple products, and afford them, of course.

Re:Wouldn't trust Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46763453)

The value of ignorant consumerism, it is so underrated.

Re:Wouldn't trust Apple (0, Offtopic)

vettemph (540399) | about 6 months ago | (#46763797)

I have the following:
$600,000 house (and appropriate decor/landscaping)
Infinity G35
Corvette
Several Patents (yes, a real job)
A Wife
4 android phones
2 android tablets
3 linux workstations

I would sooner give up tech than use apple products.
I just don't 'get' the ambiguous sexuality of apple products.
(or whatever they are trying to sell besides hardware.)

I won't even go into the frivolous lawsuits.

I can afford them. I'm just not fancy enough. (and don't want to be)

Cheers

Re:Wouldn't trust Apple (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46762577)

Or... instead of spending 500-700 bucks for an iOS head unit ... you can spend maybe $200 for a good regular head unit and spend the remaining $300-500 on an amplifier and good speakers. You'll enjoy it much more.

Re:Wouldn't trust Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46763261)

Why are automakers lining up to get CarPlay implemented then? Is it because if they don't, the next line for their company officers would be in front of the bankruptcy judge? CarPlay will mean the difference between selling a car versus it gathering dust on a dealer lot.

Re:Wouldn't trust Apple (1, Insightful)

AlphaWolf_HK (692722) | about 6 months ago | (#46763517)

You're working under the assumption that consumers will demand them...I'm kind of thinking that's a negative. I think most of them are probably more interested in having a tablet or smartphone instead. When it comes to me getting cars, I don't really give a shit about infotainment systems as I've always found my smartphone to be much more flexible. Music? Pandora. GPS? Google Maps. How would CarPlay improve anything? Maybe, *maybe* for a self-driving car, but beyond what I mentioned, I don't really mess with any controls while I'm driving.

Show me a good regular head unit and (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46763501)

Show me a good regular head unit and I'll show you a delusional customer.

Re:Wouldn't trust Apple (1)

AK Marc (707885) | about 6 months ago | (#46763887)

In a car, the number one thing you can do to improve the sound is to close the windows. Given so many people that turn it up with the windows down, I presume "good speakers" are not required.

The Real Breakthrough - non auto-maker Maps (2)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 6 months ago | (#46762271)

I don't know if CarPlay will gain any traction. Since Apple has no control over quality of implementation, we'll see some really awful interfaces on top of CarPlay...

But one great aspect of CarPlay has already done something I thought would not happen for a while - breaking the car manufactures monopoly on in-car mapping. Car makers have been constantly pushing very over-priced terrible in-car GPS systems for a while, and CarPlay at least brings a reasonable and cheap mapping system into cars without having to replace the whole stereo system and/or shoe-horn in a screen. I could see many people adopting a CarPlay stereo just for that.

One thing I really wish would happen would be to have the car industry be also mandated to provide third-party access to all of the screens that will be mandated in cars soon because of the back-up cameras... that could lead to a real renaissance in what smart-phones can do for you in-car.

Re:The Real Breakthrough - non auto-maker Maps (1)

lgw (121541) | about 6 months ago | (#46762457)

Car makers have been constantly pushing very over-priced terrible in-car GPS systems for a while,

I'll have you know my car has a very over-priced mediocre in-car GPS system! Actually, its flaw is no good interface to set a destination address (voice recognition and arbitrary proper nouns is just a bad combination in general). I really want a way to attach a keyboard, or to pull an address from my phone contacts list in some sane and reliable way.

One thing I really wish would happen would be to have the car industry be also mandated to provide third-party access to all of the screens that will be mandated in cars soon because of the back-up cameras... that could lead to a real renaissance in what smart-phones can do for you in-car.

There's real potential there, but I want it to work both ways: the car should accept any screen though some standard interface (2-way HDMI maybe?). The built-in screens will have terrible resolution, no doubt, but it seems like a good part for an aftermarket upgrade.

Re:The Real Breakthrough - non auto-maker Maps (2)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 6 months ago | (#46762595)

This won't stop the car industry.
I can't easily replace the navigation system in my car, because it controls the air-con.
The whole system is integrated in to the dash, the steering wheel controls, the trip computer and air conditioning.

There are aftermarket options on ebay, but the risk it won't work is high - The car is made in Japan with several options for air con (single/dual zone) and is visibly identical to other models made in USA which may or may not be wired the same. Added to the fact the model name of the Japanese car is the same as a completely different USA model and the one that's physically the same as a different name.

Re:The Real Breakthrough - non auto-maker Maps (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46762773)

I can't easily replace the navigation system in my car, because it controls the air-con.
The whole system is integrated in to the dash, the steering wheel controls, the trip computer and air conditioning.

This article is a load of toss. The problem is right here. Even before apple/android devices were around, automakers did their best to frustrate after-market installers by using odd dash shapes, surrounds, and separate control panels. With the advent of Nav and touchscreen controls(and the various iDrive systems on some makes), the problem is swiftly getting worse.

Nearly all new Ford, Chrysler, and GM products have some sort of touchscreen "radio" that also contains the environmental controls, adjustable seat settings, Nav (if equipped), and various other things that no longer have separate dash controls. Foreign makes have been going this way for several years in higher end vehicles. The only way to get a radio that can be removed without affecting other equipment is to buy a base, fleet-trim vehicle that doesn't have any other options to begin with.

CarPlay is too late; it is no longer possible to install aftermarket head units in more than 90% of new cars on the market.

Re:The Real Breakthrough - non auto-maker Maps (1)

mjwx (966435) | about 6 months ago | (#46762647)

Since Apple has no control over quality of implementation

But one great aspect of CarPlay has already done something I thought would not happen for a while - breaking the car manufactures monopoly on in-car mapping.

These two points contradict each other.

If Apple has no control over implementation, then implementation is till reliant on the good will of the car manufacturers to put it into _THEIR_ in car entertainment systems.

I don't know if CarPlay will gain any traction.

It wont, precisely because the manufacturers don't want to give up their monopoly.

Re:The Real Breakthrough - non auto-maker Maps (2)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | about 6 months ago | (#46762801)

The point you're missing about maps is that maps in car play is fed via Apple maps. Which updates more frequently than maps for car systems.

Car manufacturers don't mind giving up control over things like the entertainment system provided it works better than what they can do. A lot of makers are signed up for it. From BMW to Hyundai to ford and GM.

How it'll do in the future... No one knows.

Re:The Real Breakthrough - non auto-maker Maps (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 6 months ago | (#46763007)

How much do I pay for Maps updates with Apple? 0.

How much do you pay for mapping updates in most cars? LOTS AND LOTS (sometimes over $1k!)

Not to mention Apple maps can be fed locations from any application, whereas the car nav can only get input through whatever torturous interface the car make has put in place.

Re:The Real Breakthrough - non auto-maker Maps (1)

narcc (412956) | about 6 months ago | (#46762927)

breaking the car manufactures monopoly on in-car mapping.

WTF are you talking about?

Re:The Real Breakthrough - non auto-maker Maps (1)

lexman098 (1983842) | about 6 months ago | (#46763131)

all of the screens that will be mandated in cars soon because of the back-up cameras...

Yeah I never really understood this. I'm too lazy to look up statistics for people killed from cars backing up, but it can't be higher than those killed from "inattentive driving". What they really need to mandate is fucking bluetooth speakerphones. It would be a lot cheaper than a screen and save more lives.

Re:The Real Breakthrough - non auto-maker Maps (2)

dk20 (914954) | about 6 months ago | (#46763275)

"breaking the car manufactures monopoly on in-car mapping..."

Will this be similar to how apple "broke the monopoly on ebooks" http://online.wsj.com/news/art... [wsj.com]
Or how they "Broke the monopoly on hiring". http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/... [justice.gov]

Ever heard of getting a third party GPS for like $99 at costco with lifetime maps? When it gets old i just throw it out and get a newer/faster/whatever one.
Far cheaper then getting the fancy in-dash model and not being able to replace it.

"One thing I really wish would happen would be to have the car industry be also mandated to provide third-party access to all of the screens"

Really, you think that is fair? Would it work the other way as in i think apple should be mandated to provide third party access to their very lucrative add-on market (cords, chargers, etc).
Why should the auto industry be "forced" to open up to a company which is known for vendor lockin?

Re:The Real Breakthrough - non auto-maker Maps (2)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 6 months ago | (#46763375)

Will this be similar to how apple "broke the monopoly on ebooks" http://online.wsj.com/news/art [wsj.com] ...

Possibly, Apple tried to save us from an Amazon monopoly and failed.

Ever heard of getting a third party GPS for like $99 at costco with lifetime maps?

Yes, and they suck compared to a smartphone because they aren't integrated with anything. I have some left over from the Old Days.

Really, you think that is fair? Would it work the other way as in i think apple should be mandated

Get the stick out of your ass man. I was talking about car regulations. Any device can charge by USB now so your griping looks like lunacy.

Re:The Real Breakthrough - non auto-maker Maps (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46763909)

One thing I really wish would happen would be to have the car industry be also mandated to provide third-party access to all of the screens that will be mandated in cars soon because of the back-up cameras... that could lead to a real renaissance in what smart-phones can do for you in-car.

Just think of the advertising space on those screens!! It's marketing wet dream!

Android Head Units (0)

mythosaz (572040) | about 6 months ago | (#46762279)

As a counter to this, a number of Android head units based on versions >4 started showing up about a year ago.

For me, it was a decision about getting WiFi for them in the car - and figuring out how much bandwidth I'd want to use to have XM still available to me - as despite there being a number of other streaming options, live uncensored talk is a sticking point for my daily commutes. This lead down a crazy rabbit hole of WiFi devices from FreedomPop and others.

...because fuck the walled Apple garden.

Less apple more ISO standard interface please (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46762309)

I recently bought a new car with the USB dongle in the glove cabinet to hook stuff directly to the car stereo. (a 2000 bucks option)

They failed to mention it only supports apple products.

Its time that a ISO standard arrives for cars so i can hook any device to it that supports the standard.

Re:Less apple more ISO standard interface please (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46762401)

What car is that? I'm not aware of any USB-port-equipped cars that are Apple-only.

Re:Less apple more ISO standard interface please (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46762477)

My Honda Insight has USB that has some sort of magic integration with iCrap, but can treat everything else as USB storage.

It would be fine with me if the USB port was just powered.

Re:Less apple more ISO standard interface please (1)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about 6 months ago | (#46762821)

dude, you dropped $2k for that?

Re:Less apple more ISO standard interface please (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46762837)

it was a volkswagen golf 2014 model and the usb dongle thing was a audio package.

The only thing it supports is apple products and just usb storage drives

Re:Less apple more ISO standard interface please (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 6 months ago | (#46763307)

It would be fine with me if the USB port was just powered.

Given how simple USB wiring is, that's trivial to fix. Get a nice buck converter for a few bucks on eBay, and wire in a USB power injection cable.

Re:Less apple more ISO standard interface please (1)

grumling (94709) | about 6 months ago | (#46762937)

Audi's stereos work with iOS only, depending on what system you pick.

Re:Less apple more ISO standard interface please (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46762403)

I recently bought a new car with the USB dongle in the glove cabinet to hook stuff directly to the car stereo. (a 2000 bucks option)

They failed to mention it only supports apple products.

Its time that a ISO standard arrives for cars so i can hook any device to it that supports the standard.

So you paid $2,000 for something without bothering to do the slightest little bit of research on it.

Yeah that's definitely a problem with the car.

Re:Less apple more ISO standard interface please (1)

Skater (41976) | about 6 months ago | (#46762539)

They failed to mention it only supports apple products.

Are you sure? Android phones now use something called "MTP", which most devices don't seem to support (neither of our car stereos do, one is a factory Honda, the other is a Pioneer; similarly, my Macbook Pro *still* can't connect to my S3, a year and a half after I bought the phone). Did you try a standard USB drive? I bet it'll work.

Re:Less apple more ISO standard interface please (1)

MikeMo (521697) | about 6 months ago | (#46762601)

This thing is much more than a connection. With CarPlay, the phone essentially takes over the display on your car. Makes it display the phone icons and such. Through a proprietary protocol, btw.

Re:Less apple more ISO standard interface please (1)

Petersko (564140) | about 6 months ago | (#46762555)

My 2009 Santa Fe might have a crummy monochromatic display and obtuse choices for button functions, but it reads MP3 files off standard USB sticks, nests the folders properly, and doesn't accuse me of DRM violations. I'm set.

Re:Less apple more ISO standard interface please (1)

Big_Breaker (190457) | about 6 months ago | (#46763227)

3rd party GPS is gimped due to a lack of wheel rotation data from the car which OEM GPS get's "for free". This wheel rotation data helps update direction, speed and position far more frequently than GPS can. If CarPlay gets access to the car's telemetry feeds to pickup wheels rotation data, it will make a huge difference in accuracy. From there on out OEM is a dead. For sure you will be stuck in a walled garden though... renting your map data at $3 a month. But that's better than an over priced, 3 years out of date system that only gets worse as time goes on. Updates are very much the exception and not the rule in OEM electronics.

Re:Less apple more ISO standard interface please (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 6 months ago | (#46763579)

To me, phone GPS is plenty good enough for car use (either Google or Apple). I've been using a car mount to hold my phone for years and have never had issues with it reporting where I was accurately, outside of one odd anomaly somewhere in the middle of Utah where for about thirty miles GPS assured me I was 500 feet off the side of the road.

Re:Less apple more ISO standard interface please (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 6 months ago | (#46763699)

I installed my own garmin gps in my car about 10 yrs ago when I bought the car, new. I did a very custom install and people are usually impressed by it. its also quite hidden, which is why its not been taken OUT of my car in 10 yrs.

but now, 10 yrs later, the maps are very out of date for many areas I drive in (bay area). I'm too cheap to buy an update and so I use my android phone. it sits in a center cup holder area, it uses cellphone locations and gps and always stays current, for free.

I don't love google, believe me, but I'm not sure I'm willing to go back to old school gps boxes again. I also can't see paying the car co for their version when a cellphone does gps these days just fine.

if I had garmin stock, I'd sell it. same for others. they were great when they were all you could get; but now smartphones have this one killer app and that's gps, for many of us. I value the gps almost more than I value remote email and web on the phone.

Re:Less apple more ISO standard interface please (1)

jrumney (197329) | about 6 months ago | (#46763941)

3rd party GPS is gimped due to a lack of wheel rotation data from the car which OEM GPS get's "for free".

Phones have accelerometers, gyros and in some cases barometers that can adequately make up for the lack of wheel rotation data to cover gaps in GPS coverage. A bigger problem is the size and position of the GPS antenna, especially when the windows have metallic coatings.

I recently bought a peripheral that didn't work! (2, Insightful)

mveloso (325617) | about 6 months ago | (#46763311)

I recently spent $35,000 on a peripheral for my phone, but I forgot to check if the peripheral worked with my phone.

Can someone write a law that says that all peripherals have to work with my phone?

Thank you very much.

Signed, ignorant consumer.

Re:I recently bought a peripheral that didn't work (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46763443)

well i challange you then find a good (european) car brand with stock stereo head unit that supports android.

I'm willing to bet you will hardly find any.

If Apple infotainment is great why dont we see it (2, Insightful)

Trachman (3499895) | about 6 months ago | (#46762371)

If Apple infotainment is great why don't we see it in the airplanes. We don't see it because it is damn too expensive. I do respect Apple's commercial acumen, quality, design and innovations, but I don't own any of the apple's products nor am I planning to, and I have tried..... No offense to Mac owners and I have heard a lot about their quality and durability. When someone is buying and Iphone, it is easy to bury equipment depreciation to service provider fee. When someone will buy a car in the nearest future, apple infotainment will be one of the many junk services that people will just cross out. I quietly hope that Apple infotaintment will take the same place among junk fees and services such as extended gold service plan, super coated seat protection, anti-theft glass engravings, floor plan fee and other.

Re:If Apple infotainment is great why dont we see (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46762519)

Like this? Where it's free? Across a whole airline?

http://www.cultofmac.com/26985... [cultofmac.com]

Re:If Apple infotainment is great why dont we see (1)

KingOfBLASH (620432) | about 6 months ago | (#46762981)

If Apple infotainment is great why don't we see it in the airplanes.

How exactly would this work? You'd be able to airplay GPS to the screen in front of you for a turn by turn play?

While it would be great if all cars used some sort of standard system, for now I'm happy they're using any kind of standard.

In a few years time, either Android phones will start having an iPhone compatibility mode, or a standard will emerge.

(Frankly I don't know which will happen since both have happened in the past)

You do (2)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 6 months ago | (#46763595)

You know those USB ports in the back of some airlines seats? You can use them to stream video from an iPad [gizmodo.com] .

That was from 2006... I thought I had read recently where some airline was working on a system where you could get in-flight movies on your iPad.

People need to grow the fuck up (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46762417)

about Apple. The products are not worth the acquisition cost or the ensuing lock in.

Let's not even discuss their attitude towards security.

Re:People need to grow the fuck up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46762531)

Like the SSL bug?

LOL

Re:People need to grow the fuck up (1)

GrahamCox (741991) | about 6 months ago | (#46762697)

The irony in your post is that you also need to grow up about Apple, and recognise that for a lot of people, they are exactly what people want. Ranting about them is just as childish as being an uncritical fanboy.

As for security, what's the problem exactly? How's all those Android viruses working out for everyone?

Re:People need to grow the fuck up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46762895)

It is completely irrational to overpay for any service or good because it is shiny. I don't give a fuck how it makes you feel.

Crack makes people feel great too. It is still a bad idea.

Re:People need to grow the fuck up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46762963)

You can't use reason with unreasonable people. It is like arguing with drunk people, you are just wasting time and energy.

Re:People need to grow the fuck up (1)

Scowler (667000) | about 6 months ago | (#46763011)

A rational person would realize popular product A has pros and cons when compared to popular product B. That rational person would not get bent out of shape shilling for either product A or product B. That rational person would not dismiss either product A or product B as merely being "shiny".

Re:People need to grow the fuck up (1)

KingOfBLASH (620432) | about 6 months ago | (#46763017)

Ahhh but it's not just because it's shiny. Apple is so easy my mom actually bought an iPhone on her own and managed to get all kinds of apps. She wouldn't have been able to do that with Android and don't get me started on what happened when she brought home a PC laptop. (She's been a mac user for probably 7 years but the salesman somehow convinced her to go with a PC, based on price, he sold her a shitty little netbook with the new windows. After 7 years of no computer questions I had to resume my role as her tech support).

They're that easy because they spend a lot of time researching how to be easy to use.

It doesn't matter if a system is technically superior if it is inaccessible to users or hard to understand.

Don't believe me? Well ten years ago on slashdot I heard similar statements about how people should start using Sparcstations or whatever technology was better than the status quo. Despite the better design of the Sparc processors, Intel won. Despite the benefits of Linux / FOSS, most people still use Windows.

Sad people are so misguided, I know, but it's an unfortunate truth about humanity.

Re:People need to grow the fuck up (1)

narcc (412956) | about 6 months ago | (#46763053)

The irony in your post is that you also need to grow up about Crack and recognize that, for a lot of people, it is exactly what people want. Ranting about it is just as childish as being an uncritical fanboy.

Re:People need to grow the fuck up (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46763245)

Yea, people need to grow up and get Android so they can get pre-infected apps on Google Play or run that new Windows OS with the Fisher Price squares with pretty colors.

Burned once (1)

Curunir_wolf (588405) | about 6 months ago | (#46762443)

Car stereo salesmen and installers around the country are hoping Apple's CarPlay in-car infotainment system will have a big presence in the aftermarket car stereo industry.

Well, it could have, but after investing in a head unit with the expensive licensed connector for my iPod, then finding when my out-of-warranty iPod died that my new one would not work with the very expensive head unit any more because they changed the connector ... well.

As the saying goes: "Screw me once, shame on me, screw me twice, Fuck you Apple - NEVER AGAIN!!"

Re:Burned once (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46762501)

The 30-pin connector was in use for about a decade, and you can get an adapter to use Lighting connector devices with 30-pin connector accessories. This is a non-issue.

Re:Burned once (1)

Curunir_wolf (588405) | about 6 months ago | (#46762891)

The 30-pin connector was in use for about a decade, and you can get an adapter to use Lighting connector devices with 30-pin connector accessories. This is a non-issue.

The adapter, when used with the car head units designed for 5 - 6 gen iPods, does not supply power, and that IS a MAJOR issue!

The solution is NOT a $30 adapter, it's a $250 iPod classic!!

Re:Burned once (1)

KingOfBLASH (620432) | about 6 months ago | (#46763043)

I'm sad to say I have to agree with Curunir... Apple has this nasty habit of breaking adapters for reasons I can't understand and then failing to provide a way to intermingle the old and new ones without buying a new computer. The new magsafe adaptors come to mind.

Re:Burned once (1)

aybiss (876862) | about 6 months ago | (#46762515)

You haven't been burned just once. Every car that's been made with built-in iPod support but no equivalent open standard connector has been made obsolete by Apple, so you've been screwed by proxy via your automaker as well.

We should boycott this shit so hard, I already have a useless connector in my car and I'll be reminded every time I sit in it that that's Apple's fault.

Re:Burned once (1)

Skater (41976) | about 6 months ago | (#46762557)

Uh, Apple does make an adapter for it... I know it's $30, but it's at least a solution. (Our car has a USB port, so it's just a matter of changing the cable for us.)

Re:Burned once (1)

Curunir_wolf (588405) | about 6 months ago | (#46762829)

Uh, Apple does make an adapter for it... I know it's $30, but it's at least a solution. (Our car has a USB port, so it's just a matter of changing the cable for us.)

Except that unlike the old cable, with the adapter it doesn't provide a charge, only the connection. So it drains the battery as it's used, then I have to charge it by connecting it to the car charger. There doesn't seem to be a way to connect it to the stereo and charger at the same time, at least with the adapter.

Really renders the whole thing useless. The cheapest fix is to return this iPod, and buy an iPod classic for about $250. Way more capacity than I need, and more money than I wanted to spend, but it does have the 30-pin connector like my old (!!) 5th gen, so hopefully it would work the same...

Re:Burned once (1)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about 6 months ago | (#46762851)

alternatively you could buy an old touch or mini on craigslist or ebay.

Works fine for me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46763137)

Except that unlike the old cable, with the adapter it doesn't provide a charge, only the connection.

Hm. Sounds like something else is going on here.

I've used my iPhone 5S with the 30 pin adapter to both charge and play music in a couple of different iPod docks and my aftermarket car stereo (Alpine) with no issues.

You using an Apple adapter or a knockoff?

Re:Works fine for me (1)

Curunir_wolf (588405) | about 6 months ago | (#46763309)

You using an Apple adapter or a knockoff?

The lightning adapter is Apple - not sure if any knockoffs exist at this point. But, apparently, it depends on the Alpine deck you have, and the cable used to connect to that. I guess it's complicated [apple.com] .

The adaptor does charge (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 6 months ago | (#46763617)

I use the adaptor in my own car, which provides a custom cable from 30-Pin iPod to the car's USB port (but it needs that cable in order to run an app specific to the car).

I've been using the lightning adapter with the iPhone 5 every since it came out, it charges just fine.

Android ... (1)

chuckugly (2030942) | about 6 months ago | (#46762469)

I'm pretty sure I've seen Android frontends for a while now.

Re:Android ... (1)

EmagGeek (574360) | about 6 months ago | (#46762481)

I have one in my car and it's awesome.

Re:Android ... (1)

mjwx (966435) | about 6 months ago | (#46762687)

Which model?

Re:Android ... (1)

mythosaz (572040) | about 6 months ago | (#46762781)

Yes. I'd love to hear an unbiased review from a site that doesn't sell them. ...bought myself a WiFi hotspot and a cheap service plan (FreedomPop) today to start down this path.

Re:Android ... (1)

mjwx (966435) | about 6 months ago | (#46762947)

Yes. I'd love to hear an unbiased review from a site that doesn't sell them. ...bought myself a WiFi hotspot and a cheap service plan (FreedomPop) today to start down this path.

There is an unbiased site, but you need to own a unicorn to get membership.

I'm still looking for a wiring loom for a Honda Integra (Acura RSX for the Americans).

Siri in my car? (3, Funny)

PPH (736903) | about 6 months ago | (#46762517)

After listening to the kids for a while, all she says is, "Don't make me pull over and come back there!"

Why spend another $700 for a car stereo (4, Interesting)

plebeian (910665) | about 6 months ago | (#46762525)

What I really want is someone to design a micro USB car dock and app so that I can plug my android phone in and have it replace the Stereo and GPS, charge, and allow me to display performance data (a la Torque) at the same time. All I really need mounted in the dash is an AMP and speakers. P.S. make it compatible with tablets as well..

Re:Why spend another $700 for a car stereo (1)

mishehu (712452) | about 6 months ago | (#46762575)

I've done that one myself... bluetooth supporting head unit + android tablet. The only thing I've got left to do (when I have time) is to cut up a piece of polycarbonite to mount it on the center console in place of the ash tray and broken drawer on my car.

Re:Why spend another $700 for a car stereo (1)

mythosaz (572040) | about 6 months ago | (#46762783)

There are plenty of Android head units available now...

Re:Why spend another $700 for a car stereo (3, Insightful)

Scowler (667000) | about 6 months ago | (#46762847)

How is this better than vanilla Bluetooth Audio?

Re:Why spend another $700 for a car stereo (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 6 months ago | (#46763257)

It's more reliable. Bluetooth Audio is miserably finicky. The only thing that ever worked right with my JVC was AT&T Fuze. With a couple different Android devices now including the Nexus 4 I get occasional skips. I used to use an Xperia Play, that skipped a lot. Flawless using the headphone cable in my truck instead.

I'm going to try adding bluetooth to my car anyway, switching into the line inputs from the changer with an audio signal relay, and using an ultra-cheap receiver. but i'm also going to have line in, just in case.

Re:Why spend another $700 for a car stereo (1)

evilviper (135110) | about 6 months ago | (#46763263)

All I really need mounted in the dash is an AMP and speakers.

That's pretty much what ALL cheap car stereos have been doing for the past decade. Except they throw in a clock, USB & SD card slots for MP3s, and usually a radio.

How does $25 grab you:

https://www.amazon.com/XO-Visi... [amazon.com]

External touchscreen (1)

amorsen (7485) | about 6 months ago | (#46762609)

All I want from a car unit is a touchscreen + audio. Alas, while most phones can handle external displays, external touchscreens are generally unsupported.

A car has to last at least a decade. Trying to build in intelligence is futile, and adding 3G/4G is not much better. In a decade, CPU's and software and data transfer standards will hopefully have advanced greatly.

Re:External touchscreen (1)

grumling (94709) | about 6 months ago | (#46763003)

Exactly! Just provide a display and hooks to the steering wheel controls (use something standard like Bluetooth HID profiles and HDMI). No need to come up with your own "solution" that will be obsolete in 3 years, or worse, lock me into a monthly fee.

The problem continues to be that car manufacturers want to control the whole "experience" no matter what, because they know that their products are remarkably similar to everyone else's products. The stereo/info-tainment system is about the only part of the car that isn't designed by DOT regulations, so that's where they differentiate themselves from other manufacturers.

touch screens (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46762627)

and large lcd displays have absolutely no place within reach or view of a driver. want to use an electronic gadget (including gps and phones) .. park first.

Apple head unit? (1)

csumpi (2258986) | about 6 months ago | (#46762645)

An Apple head unit? As in super expensive?

Jumping the shark?

First of all, most modern car stereos do much more than play the radio or act as an amplifier for an mp3 player. They also serve as controllers and displays for other computing units in the car. How will the Apple head unit reset the maintenance reminder?

Further, the head unit is probably the best piece of a stock car audio system. Money would be much better spent upgrading the speakers, or adding an external amp with a subwoofer.

And another step further, Apple can shove In-App-Purchases up it's own ass. Definitely not gonna make an entrance in my car.

Re:Apple head unit? (1)

FuzzMaster (596994) | about 6 months ago | (#46763107)

How ignorant can you sound?

Where does it say "Apple head unit"? The head unit is branded by the component manufacturer and provides an interface to allow display and interaction with an Apple device.

Where do you come up with "super expensive'? The NEX devices from Pioneer are receiving firmware updates for existing installations. How is that expensive?

Not only did you not understand the article, but you don't understand CarPlay itself. I have no idea how you got mod points for your response.

STOLE??? (0)

ScooterComputer (10306) | about 6 months ago | (#46762745)

I think someone at Digital Trends needs to be given a dictionary, because they clearly don't understand the concept of theft. "Indeed, CarPlay coming to aftermarket stereo units could bring back what Apple indirectly stole from the industry going back as far as 2006."

Apple stole nothing. Apple provided a better solution to consumers that had been basically held over a shit-barrel for years. As Steve Jobs once remarked (about iTunes for Windows users), like giving a glass of ice water to someone in hell. That isn't stealing. At. All.

Further, it appears the idiots in the "consumer electronics" field STILL haven't learned their lesson. At the prices they want, from $500-$700, up to $1400, Apple already makes TWO product lines that substantially undermine their wares: the iPad has more processing power and a nicer screen at a lower price, but an entire Core i5-based Mac mini can also be had for less. Like another reader already asked, I'm surprised that Apple hasn't simply began selling/OEMing a dash dock and bypassed the "auto electronics" companies altogether. Somehow I kinda think is Apple's MotoROKR "shot across the bow"; this is the second chance, if they screw it up Apple will step in and obliterate them. And good riddance.

Re:STOLE??? (1)

narcc (412956) | about 6 months ago | (#46763123)

As Steve Jobs once remarked (about iTunes for Windows users), like giving a glass of ice water to someone in hell.

iTunes for Windows? I thought that WAS hell?!

not at those prices, it won't fly off the shelves (1)

swschrad (312009) | about 6 months ago | (#46762779)

and frankly, in-car entertainment is dangerous. like the other poster said, all I want in there is an amp and speakers with a jack for audio input. the stuff is expensive, too tempting to look away from the road, and between Ford and BMW, is a monster. totally ergo inappropriate. put the frickin' screen in the dash where the speedometer is now, and stop the contortions.

I'd like my 1964 Dodge back. fixable, the controls fall where your hands are, no menus, and no nonsense.

Re:not at those prices, it won't fly off the shelv (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 6 months ago | (#46763285)

like the other poster said, all I want in there is an amp and speakers with a jack for audio input

That's what I put in my truck. You can't listen to optical media in it unless you have a heavy load, because the suspension is too hard. So I have a $20 amplifier with stereo in and four outputs.

I'd like my 1964 Dodge back. fixable, the controls fall where your hands are, no menus, and no nonsense.

Yes, if I had perfect foresight instead of excellent hindsight, I'd have kept my 1960 Dodge. It got over 20 mpg on the freeway and it was stupid simple. But I didn't know how to rebuild a brake system then (dirt simple, as it turns out) and so I couldn't afford to keep it.

If it has Apple's name on it, it's crap. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46762879)

Pure and simple, it will be overpriced, glossy shit. Touch it twice and it's broken. Locked into Apple's 30% off the top regardless if your profit margin is only 5% or not, you lose money selling through Apple.

A company that beyond their original Apple I and II series computers, stole every line of code, every graphic interface, every device, every idea from others to claim as their own.

A company of thieves idolized as creative geniuses, too bad they were just crooks with Used Car Saleseman written all over themselves.

Re:If it has Apple's name on it, it's crap. (1)

mevets (322601) | about 6 months ago | (#46763099)

A bit of a sore spot, eh? You work for MS? Maybe on the SYNC?

Apple stole nothing (4, Insightful)

zerofoo (262795) | about 6 months ago | (#46762923)

The car electronics companies gave away the market. I was in car audio for years while in college. I sold and installed almost every brand you can stick into a dashboard - that was in the 90s.

Mobile electronics interfaces are still stuck in the 90s. The mobile industry has completely ignored the user interface advancements of the last 10 years. Take a look at the average aftermarket radio - buttons and dot-matrix LED displays that should have been replaced years ago.

Don't even get me started about bluetooth in car - absolutely no mobile manufacturer makes a stable bluetooth implementation. They all universally suck.

The best thing I put into my car was a bracket to hold my smartphone. After trying 5 different headunits, I finally gave up trying to find one that approaches the functionality and usability of my Nexus and iOS devices.

The mobile electronics companies screwed this up - apple stole nothing from them.

Re:Apple stole nothing (1)

grumling (94709) | about 6 months ago | (#46763065)

When I was picking options for my last car I decided not to go with the in dash navigation system, simply because I knew I could install a bracket for my phone that did much more than the nav system. If the nav system was $300 more than the "premium" stereo (with line-in) I could have justified it, but it was a whopping $1800 more than the mid-range system, which I'm sure wasn't cheap (it was part of the package). For what basically is a small PC running VXWorks or some such real-time OS and a DVD drive.

Knobs and buttons (1)

future assassin (639396) | about 6 months ago | (#46762951)

The wife just got a car with touch screen doodad that controls pretty much everything. Talk about device which main purposes seems to be to cause distracted driving. I'll take buttons and knobs any day.

Re:Knobs and buttons (1)

grumling (94709) | about 6 months ago | (#46763095)

Oh, but buttons and knobs cost money to make, the touch screen is just a few bucks.

And touch screens are sexy. Touch screens sell cars. Knobs are sooooo 20th century. Your granddad's car had knobs.

No Thank You. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46763175)

One of the reasons I didn't buy a Ford was because of the Microsoft crap and I am not going to buy a vehicle with anything from Apple installed. If they want to conform to an industry standard port / interface then maybe their products will have a use in my vehicles.

I, for one, am looking forward to the new options (1)

FuzzMaster (596994) | about 6 months ago | (#46763199)

I recently purchased a 2011 model-year GM Lambda-platform vehicle with the in-dash navigation unit. It has 2011-era bluetooth support (i.e., hands-free profile only), and a really craptastic USB implementation that doesn't easily allow third-party music apps to play over USB. Considering that model-year implies 2010 at best, we're talking tech that's at least four years old.

The map data is also from the 2011 model-year, so it is really old and the UX is terrible. Updating the maps requires a $200 DVD. WTF?

So, for around $500 more than the DVD upgrade, I can get all of the modern conveniences and map data that updates at Internet speed. I am at the edge of my seat waiting to see the options once they become widely available.

fairst (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46763269)

Beware of expensive imitations (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46763505)

The price of these CarPlay devices is rather steep compared to having a bracket for your smart phone and a bluetooth stereo receiver to handle music, spoken turn by turn directions, phone calls and even using the dreaded Siri if you are an iPhone user.

For example I bought a JVC digital media reciever and wiring harness for under $100 brand new on line. These digital media receivers save money by not bothering with a CD or DVD drive, because if you can access your media on your phone, you can stream it over bluetooth to the receiver. This avoids juggling those silver discs that are so 20th century. The receiver comes with a microphone for phone calls. and I found it would access Siri by pressing and holding one of the keys on the display. I find that useful for sending text messages by voice to my wife.

I confess I am a apple fanboi - but not at the price of these CarPlay devices.

MirrorLink (2)

Rockets84 (2047424) | about 6 months ago | (#46763683)

There was already a OS-Agnostic standard for this - MirrorLink. Yet again Apple pushes another proprietary standard when an open alternative already existed. Airplay/DLNA, ALAC/FLAC & now CarPlay/MirrorLink and the iSheep will eat it up a think it's the best thing since slice bread.

Dead-end Market? (2)

Nethemas the Great (909900) | about 6 months ago | (#46763713)

I'm confused. Wasn't the last car capable of a having an after-market head unit installed manufactured a solid 10 years ago? I fail to see the point. The number of such cars is on a rapid decline. For collectors if you're going to buy an ancient car, then wouldn't you be buying it for nostalgia's sake and want the old crappy radio that came with it?
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