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Cody Wilson Interview at Reason: Happiness Is a 3D Printed Gun

timothy posted about 3 months ago | from the good-role-models dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Cody Wilson details his conflict with the State Department over 3-D printable guns in this new interview with ReasonTV. In this video, he discusses how 3-D printing will render gun control laws obsolete and unenforceable; why Dark Wallet, his new crypto-currency, is much more subversive than Bitcoin; his legal defense, headed by Alan Gura (attorney in District of Columbia v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago); and his forthcoming book about anarchy and the future."

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Why are we giving people like Cody any attention? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46799939)

Cody is a gun nut, a pothead, and an anarchist. He is pro-crime, anti-police, anti-government. He wants everyone armed with every manner of illegal weaponry possible.

At one time he'd be dismissed as a nutcase, now Slashdot sees fit to report on his doings.

What the fuck?

Re:Why are we giving people like Cody any attentio (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46800235)

Uh, this is Slashdot, they've been reporting on this stuff for years. It's religiously libertarian.

Re:Why are we giving people like Cody any attentio (5, Insightful)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 3 months ago | (#46800261)

Cody is a gun nut, a pothead, and an anarchist. He is pro-crime, anti-police, anti-government. He wants everyone armed with every manner of illegal weaponry possible.

What's not to like?

Re:Why are we giving people like Cody any attentio (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46800593)

I know that was in jest, but the point is that Cody embodies everything that doesn't work in a modern, civilized society.

everything that doesn't work (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46800677)

... freedom of speech, thinking independently, and not kowtowing to the establishment

Re:everything that doesn't work (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46800751)

.....you forgot being a federally funded agent provocateur

Re:everything that doesn't work (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46801007)

You forgot evidence for your bullshit claim.

Re:Why are we giving people like Cody any attentio (1, Insightful)

spire3661 (1038968) | about 3 months ago | (#46801175)

As long as society keeps its veneer, its ok to trample anyone, amirite?

Re:Why are we giving people like Cody any attentio (0)

mozumder (178398) | about 3 months ago | (#46800761)

All of it.

Eventually, we big-government socialists will be able to control and regulate 3-D printers so that threats like Cody will cease to exist, and life will go on as normal - that is, big government will always be in control of individuals and subsequently limit their freedoms. Remember, government will always maintain its power, as people like us will make sure it happens. We big-government types will always be able to control the population.

Ultimately, libertarianism is the defeatist philosophy. There is a reason libertarians are seen as the equivalent of 12 year olds dorks and geeks, which is why they are limited in power. I have no idea why people want to limit their power by being libertarians. It is so unsexy when individuals are weak.

One should always work to gain more power, which is the meaning of life. Libertarianism is a good way to do the opposite of that.

BTW I won't be able to respond to whatever you say, as the libertarians dorks that infest this site tend to cry and have sad at my posts, so they limit my posts to one a day.

Good thing most people in the real world are socialist and can't stand freedom-loving libertarians.

Re:Why are we giving people like Cody any attentio (3, Informative)

ganjadude (952775) | about 3 months ago | (#46801051)

sarcastic??? troll??? funny?? I applaud you as I cant tell if you are a complete retard or a genius troll

Re:Why are we giving people like Cody any attentio (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46801199)

The movie script will write itself! No, seriously, won't the police just harass him for his remaining lifetime?

Re:Why are we giving people like Cody any attentio (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46800263)

Timothy is:
a) libertardian
b) Dice employee

Re:Why are we giving people like Cody any attentio (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46800687)

Being anti-gun control and pro-caninbus is now "pro-crime"? Obama, is that you?

Re:Why are we giving people like Cody any attentio (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46800723)

Actually, quite the contrary. He's a confidential informant for the BATFE

Excuse me for one moment. (5, Funny)

serviscope_minor (664417) | about 3 months ago | (#46799943)

3D printing, gun control and bitcoin in one thread.

Please excuse me for one moment. I'll be back with popcorn shortly.

Re:Excuse me for one moment. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46799973)

Now just get the NSA, Al Gore, and Porn involved.

Re:Excuse me for one moment. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46800467)

this will be more about ATF, FBI and Reno(D)

now excuse me, the popcorn machine awaits.

Re:Excuse me for one moment. (4, Funny)

Dragon Bait (997809) | about 3 months ago | (#46801029)

Now just get the NSA, Al Gore, and Porn involved.

Please, no! I do not want to see Al Gore Porn. <shudder, puke, wretch>

Re:Excuse me for one moment. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46800029)

No need - all the libertards are too busy furiously masturbating.

Re:Excuse me for one moment. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46800075)

Just need to add Wayland to the mix and we'll have a nice influx of GNU Greybeards like you!

Re:Excuse me for one moment. (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about 3 months ago | (#46800101)

I'd like to super-size that with side orders of Tesla, Google Glasses and Global Warming . . .

"I'm driving my Tesla, which I bought with bitcoins, wearing Google Glasses, wielding a 3D printed gun, and polluting the atmosphere by using coal produced electricity . . ."

Can anyone beat that . . . ?

Re:Excuse me for one moment. (1, Funny)

plopez (54068) | about 3 months ago | (#46800159)

Someone needs to activate Godwin's Law.

Consider it done... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46800185)

You know who else used the Nazis to futher their agenda? Hitler.

You're welcome!

Re:Excuse me for one moment. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46800241)

Cody helpfully brought up The War in the video.

Re:Excuse me for one moment. (1)

plopez (54068) | about 3 months ago | (#46800273)

So Cody is a Nazi?

(OK, I did it)

Re:Excuse me for one moment. (4, Funny)

rasmusbr (2186518) | about 3 months ago | (#46800367)

Someone needs to activate Godwin's Law.

Do you know who else drove cars on coal-derived fuel, during the holocaust? That's right. The Nazis. Because Hitler told them to.

(True story, google "Bergius process".)

Re:Excuse me for one moment. (1, Funny)

stms (1132653) | about 3 months ago | (#46800423)

You know who activated Godwin's Law? Hitler, you are just like Hitler.

Idiot (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46799983)

This idiot is only giving bad press for 3D printers. Imagine if computers were mainly advertised in the 1950's news as tools to calculate missile trajectories.

Re:Idiot (-1, Offtopic)

careysb (566113) | about 3 months ago | (#46800141)

+1 Mod this up

Re:Idiot (5, Insightful)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 3 months ago | (#46800285)

They were. There were definite concerns about letting computing resources out to the hoi polloi.

Remember when encryption was considered 'military armaments?

Re:Idiot (2)

Immerman (2627577) | about 3 months ago | (#46800323)

>Remember when encryption was considered 'military armaments?

Did they finally abandon that? Last I heard we'd simply had a work-around by distributing all the high-end encryption software from jurisdictions that didn't try to restrict the export of military grade encryption.

Re:Idiot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46800625)

and tabulating jews census for executions, do not forget about this important feature

Getting attention at the expense of 3D printing (1, Insightful)

dbIII (701233) | about 3 months ago | (#46800001)

I wish this clown would shut up instead of trying to get 3D printing regulated just so that he can be famous.
So yes, big deal, something that is made from a material weaker than most kinds of wood can maybe fire off a shot if you are very lucky or maybe be a small gun shaped grenade without a timer (whoops!). There's plenty of other more useful things that can be done with 3D printing and there's plenty of other ways to make guns at home that will not blow up in your face.

Re:Getting attention at the expense of 3D printing (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46800105)

> get 3D printing regulated

This concept is even more of a joke than gun control.
"Let me check the serial on that stepper motor, gotta make sure it's pre-ban."

Re:Getting attention at the expense of 3D printing (3, Interesting)

graphius (907855) | about 3 months ago | (#46800123)

I wish I had not just spent my last mod points. If someone is stupid enough to try and make a 3d printed gun (a opposed to machining one out of metal, as suggested below) let them blow themselves up. A gun is simple to make, Kirk made one from some bamboo, rocks and minerals...

Re:Getting attention at the expense of 3D printing (4, Funny)

just_a_monkey (1004343) | about 3 months ago | (#46800177)

Now imagine what McGywer could do with that.

Re:Getting attention at the expense of 3D printing (4, Funny)

Aighearach (97333) | about 3 months ago | (#46800675)

McGywer, that's the Russian version of MacGyver, right?

Re:Getting attention at the expense of 3D printing (2)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 3 months ago | (#46800355)

While you're correct, I just want to make it clear to the folks here that Star Trek was NOT an historical documentary. [tvtropes.org]

Besides, he made a cannon.

Re:Getting attention at the expense of 3D printing (5, Interesting)

i.r.id10t (595143) | about 3 months ago | (#46800475)

Like the original Liberator pistol that the US dropped all over France, etc., the idea behind the new production 3d printed one is to allow you one or two shots, so you can aquire a "real" gun from someone else....

Re:Getting attention at the expense of 3D printing (1, Informative)

dbIII (701233) | about 3 months ago | (#46801009)

Like the original Liberator pistol that the US dropped all over France

The Liberator pistol was rubbish and it would have been an insult to drop it all over France so that never happened. Real guns were supplied instead.

Re:Getting attention at the expense of 3D printing (2)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | about 3 months ago | (#46800169)

3D printers printing weak plastic is only temporary. It's only a matter of time before we have ceramics or plastics as strong as milled steel billets.

Re:Getting attention at the expense of 3D printing (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 3 months ago | (#46800173)

You can already get 3D printers that use metal instead of plastic. Prices are coming down, quality is going up. It won't be long before more practical weapons are available by pushing ctrl-P.

Some people point out that anyone with basic metalworking tools can make a gun. Sure, but metalworking tools aren't that cheap and they require skill and knowledge to operate.

Re:Getting attention at the expense of 3D printing (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46800307)

> Sure, but metalworking tools aren't that cheap and they require skill and knowledge to operate.

You can make an AK receiver with a shovel and $200 of harbor freight tooling. Much cheaper than 3D printing, and probably easier in the grand scheme of things since you get a legit AK at the end rather than a dodgy piece of plastic. Google "shovel AK"; given decent drawings a competent high school shop class kid could make one in a few weekends.

SLS has the potential to make it easy eventually, but the SLS process needs expensive optics and raw materials. Cheap may never come.

Re:Getting attention at the expense of 3D printing (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 3 months ago | (#46800383)

Look at the forums devoted to 3D printing. To print anything more complex than a spoon, you have to get a significant degree of expertise with the systems. Using a lathe and mill isn't all that hard - we have taught it to high school students for decades and the newer, computer controlled ones are even easier.

In any town large enough to have an auto mechanic, there is probably somebody familiar enough with standard metalworking tools to make a gun. And a far better one that the 3D printers are making.

Is there a future for 3D printing - sure, as an evolution to what we are doing, not a revolution.

Re:Getting attention at the expense of 3D printing (2)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 3 months ago | (#46800561)

To print anything more complex than a spoon, you have to get a significant degree of expertise with the systems.

For now, but high end 3D printers can already produce complex moving machines that don't even need assembly at the push of a button. As the technology improves and prices come down it won't be long until even entry level models can do that.

Re:Getting attention at the expense of 3D printing (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46800989)

Wow, you really are that stupid.

He's just an idiot (4, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | about 3 months ago | (#46800409)

There are all kinds of people, you can see them here on Slashdot, that know fuck-all about materials science and think 3D printers are magic. They think they are universal constructors, replicators, or whatever other sci-fi tech than can make anything and everything, just in a primitive form. So they think they can advance from playing with plastic to making metal parts that are as strong as forged metals and electronics and so on.

This is, of course, absurd. Anyone with basic MSE knowledge knows that there's a big difference between what you can potentially extrude using a process like a 3D printer does and how you have to make other various materials. It isn't as simple as just printing metal (which I've no doubt we'll see soon), not all metal processes are created equal.

So he doesn't know what he's talking about with regards to materials, which is why he thinks he's such a visionary, and he also knows fuck-all about anarchy. He's one of those loons that thinks an anarchy with no government control would be some kind of utopia instead of what it actually is, a place like Somalia run by warlords.

It all makes me laugh anyhow since he's in the US and could just go buy better parts over the counter anyhow. Oh wow, you can 3D print a lower receiver for an AR-15 that breaks after a little bit. Neat. Or you could just go and buy an AR-15 lower milled from an aluminium billet that will last several lifetimes.

Re:He's just an idiot (4, Interesting)

rasmusbr (2186518) | about 3 months ago | (#46800603)

He's one of those loons that thinks an anarchy with no government control would be some kind of utopia instead of what it actually is, a place like Somalia run by warlords.

The warlords and their bands of warriors can and should be thought of as small, primitive and extremely violent governments.

The idea of no government is essentially impossible. Imagine two villages close to one another: one that has no government and one that has a government. Before too long the village without government will have a government, either its own government that it has created in order to command a police/militia to defend itself against the government of the other village, or the government of the other village after being conquered by that village's militia. Assuming a population density high enough that all (or most) human settlements can be reached by people from other settlements it follows that everyone (or most everyone) will eventually be under government.

Re:He's just an idiot (3, Insightful)

hsthompson69 (1674722) | about 3 months ago | (#46800707)

Mod parent up. The idea that Somalia has no government simply because the government isn't your typical democratic republic, is silly.

Not only are warlords a form of government, even our much more enlightened republic includes some of the taint of arbitrary violence against the people.

http://www.cato.org/raidmap [cato.org]

Re:Getting attention at the expense of 3D printing (1)

Animats (122034) | about 3 months ago | (#46800411)

I wish this clown would shut up instead of trying to get 3D printing regulated just so that he can be famous.

Agreed. 3D printing is a lousy way to make a gun. This guy is doing this to get attention.

(Google result for "gun dealers": "About 44,300,000 results.")

Don't be ridiculous (4, Insightful)

russotto (537200) | about 3 months ago | (#46800015)

They're already unenforcable -- against criminals, who steal them (both wholesale and retail, sometimes even from police evidence rooms) and illegally import them.

If you're an enthusiast, they're already unenforceable in the sense they won't stop you from making one; if John Browning could build a machine gun with 19th century technology, and third world armorers can build them in primitive conditions, then someone mechanically adept with the benefit of all those past designs and 21st century tooling can build a gun, even a machine gun, without purchasing any restricted or even suspicious items. Modern ammunition is hard to make but easy to legally obtain, so the only thing stopping an enthusiast is the desire not to get caught and subject to the harsh penalties.

Don't forget the sten (1)

NotSoHeavyD3 (1400425) | about 3 months ago | (#46800163)

Just to add to your point that even under limited conditions you can build a gun http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S... [wikipedia.org]

Re:Don't be ridiculous (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46800209)

Wait - what? Why would you EVER steal from retail or from the FRIGGIN POLICE, when you could go to just about any home, grab a gun, and run? Or better yet, get some teenager to steal one for you? Oh, yeah, you want to pretend that the constant presence of dedicated optimized death machines in the populace is a good thing, and potential for thefts aren't increased by increased availability.

Re:Don't be ridiculous (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46800375)

>Why would you EVER steal from retail or from the FRIGGIN POLICE, when you could go to just about any home, grab a gun, and run?
Are you suggesting that this doesn't happen?

Re:Don't be ridiculous (1)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | about 3 months ago | (#46800217)

I'm surprised we haven't already started to see reasonably large scale sten gun manufacture by criminal groups - easy to make and powerful. Especially in places like the UK where it's much more difficult to get firearms.

Re:Don't be ridiculous (2)

RsG (809189) | about 3 months ago | (#46800609)

Limited demand. They'd be selling a product that's both low quality and illegal to own. The target market for that would be criminals with money to spend, who don't already have access to equal or better guns. And it's not like you can set up shop on a street corner; secrecy is expensive.

Basically, a black market Sten Gun factory has all the drawbacks of illegal arms dealing AND startup costs to boot. I'm not surprised it isn't a thing yet. Oh, and I doubt 3D printing will make it a reality any time soon - the startup costs would be lower, but the 3D printed guns would be even worse than cheap locally manufactured metal guns.

There are places in the world where the locals make cheap metal guns en masse, but they tend to be places like Chechnya rather than the UK.

Re:Don't be ridiculous (2)

iggymanz (596061) | about 3 months ago | (#46800219)

why do you mention "if you're an enthusiast"? If you are an enthusiast, you can legally build a gun, and moreover make on that is much safer and robust than 3D printed flimsy rubbish. If one wants to 3D sculpt plastic for frame of gun, Injection molding of a polymer into handmade mold is much faster, cheaper and cost effective. 3D printing only raises the issue of stupid people trying to make a gun that is not safe.

Re:Don't be ridiculous (0)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 3 months ago | (#46800223)

They seem to be enforced in the many countries with a fairly high degree of success. Most criminals in the UK don't come armed with guns. They could probably get one if they put in some real effort and cash, but most don't bother. Aside from anything else there is little point, since most of the non-criminal population isn't armed either. A knife works almost as well, or better still just going undetected.

Think about it for a moment. If controls were completely unenforceable in the US criminals would be able to import more powerful weapons. Grenades, C4, RPGs etc. Those things exist in the US, but are not widely stolen or imported by criminals for some reason.

The reason gun control is impossible in the US is that it's an arms race. Law abiding people won't give up their guns because criminals have them, and criminals want to carry guns because law abiding people have them. The limiting factor is the government, which tries to disarm criminals and limit the guns law abiding citizens can own.

Re:Don't be ridiculous (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46800379)

> A knife works almost as well, or better still just going undetected.

So me with a potential gun vs thug with a gun is worse than me almost certainly unarmed and thug with a knife how? This really only seems better for the thug.

> Grenades, C4, RPGs etc. Those things exist in the US, but are not widely stolen or imported by criminals for some reason.

Because they're generally worthless to criminals. Guns used in crime are largely cheap, small caliber pistols. The scary black semiauto rifles antigunners love to freak out about and try to ban are used in something like 1.5% of crimes involving a firearm.

> The reason gun control is impossible in the US is that it's an arms race.

That and the porous border, massive trade volume, gun-friendly culture and overall track record of no success prohibiting *anything* in the US.

Re:Don't be ridiculous (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46800227)

They're already unenforcable -- against criminals, who steal them (both wholesale and retail, sometimes even from police evidence rooms) and illegally import them.

The NRA broken record.... If you repeat this enough, it still won't be true. Gun control laws are certainly enforceable and certainly enforced. Sure, there are always criminals who don't follow the laws here, but if they get caught they generally go to jail. And if the law abiding world makes it harder for criminals to get guns, then the criminal activity surrounding getting guns will end up with more criminals in jail.

People who spout this line act like they have first hand knowledge of criminals importing guns. If so, why haven't they gone to the police? Saying that gun control laws don't keep guns away from criminals is a cop out.

Re:Don't be ridiculous (0, Flamebait)

Nimey (114278) | about 3 months ago | (#46800369)

By the NRA fundamentalists' logic, we shouldn't have laws because criminals ignore laws anyway.

Re:Don't be ridiculous (1)

ganjadude (952775) | about 3 months ago | (#46801187)

how is this modded insightful? All you have to do is look at detroit and chicago as examples of gun control not working. Almost all murders in those 2 cities are done with guns obtained by the murderer illegally. I was just reading something today that says if detroit was its own country, it would be number 4 on the list of murder committed by gun (i dont like breaking down how a murder is committed as the end result is the same with a gun a knife or a car)

Very rarely do you see a legal gun owner out there murdering people, but I hear stories a few times a month of a legal gun owner using their gun to defend themselves from criminals

Re:Don't be ridiculous (1)

plopez (54068) | about 3 months ago | (#46800229)

So that's a good solution It's unenforceable, by which you mean not everyone who does it is caught though some are caught, so let's just not try to stop it. That's like saying "rape is going to happen anyway we might as well make it legal" Great logic there.

Re:Don't be ridiculous (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46800327)

The thousands of years of laws against murder have failed to stop all homicides.

Ergo, murder is now legal.

Re:Don't be ridiculous (1)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | about 3 months ago | (#46800917)

So that's a good solution It's unenforceable, by which you mean not everyone who does it is caught though some are caught, so let's just not try to stop it. That's like saying "rape is going to happen anyway we might as well make it legal"

No, it's more like saying "rape is going to happen anyway, so we might as well make penises legal".

If someone 3-D prints a gun, and takes it to the range, I have no problem (well, other than wanting to be at a different range that day).

I DO have a problem if he uses it to rob a store or kill someone. The same problem I have if he buys a gun at a gun shop and then uses it to rob a store or kill someone.

In other words, punish criminal use of the weapon, not the existence of the weapon.

Re:Don't be ridiculous (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46801023)

Totally agree. That's why North Korea shouldn't be stopped from having nukes - AFTER they nuke New York we should punish them, not before.

Cody Wilson Is A Slobbering Shit-Filled Moron - (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46800289)

The tools and materials necessary to produce a reusable, higher quality firearm are easily obtained. Many of those tools can even be operated by hand without electric power. Browning's work is just one example - anyone with a metal shop already has most if not all of the tools (and likely the experience as well) needed to build a halfway decent gun. Reusable improvised firearms were well within the reach of amateur gunsmiths decades ago, and one built by a halfway experienced machinist using metal parts will be much more useful and effective than Wilson's maybe-one-shot turd.

Wanna know what's even harder to regulate than 3-D printers? Try practically every other tool, ever.

3-D printing is only useful for producing arms for insurgents too lazy and comfortable to actually go out and use them. Good thing, too, since these plastic pea shooters are more dangerous to their users than their targets.

Don't. Be ridiculous. (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 3 months ago | (#46800405)

I agree, but you don't even need a machine shop, lathe, etc. to build a gun. You can build a pretty sturdy zip gun with some pipe and fittings from your local hardware store. They even sell 22 caliber rounds for driving in nails so you can build the whole gun, projectiles and all, right there in the store. Get some real bullets at Walmart later. Look, we're all "nerds" here, home made guns should be part of any contingency scenario for your zombie plan; Help a geek out.

Makeshift "zip" guns are even studier than a 3D printed gun is right now. Eventually 3D printed materials will be even better than subtraction technologies, since we can influence fine structural detail. [3dprintingindustry.com] But right now, 3D printed guns are WAY down the list on essential zombie preparedness kit items (it's like a hurricane or earthquake kit, but with more shotguns).

If you're in the US, today is a great day for a zombie attack. There are folks gathering away from their homes in large quantities, and running around collecting and eating food off the ground. Even if you don't get visited by the Easter Zombunny, today is a great opportunity to teach kids foraging skills. Remember, in the event of an outbreak: Always hunt responsibly, steer clear of tasty traffic bottlenecks, and she is not your mother-in-law anymore.

Re:Don't be ridiculous (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | about 3 months ago | (#46801119)

They're already unenforcable -- against criminals, who steal them (both wholesale and retail, sometimes even from police evidence rooms) and illegally import them.

... or from police weapon lockers.

They also make them. See the case recently in Australia of motorcycle gangs making some (very) effective subguns (automatic pistols and the like).

It's pretty trivial to make a firearm capable of being used to perpetuate crimes against people: they just have to be better than not having a firearm, so looks, and impression of effectiveness, are more important than actually being well made firearms. Someone with crude hand tools can make an AK in a day or two, and that's a fairly capable firearm. The net result of regulation and elimination of privately owned firearms is that only criminals and cops will have guns, and military (and militarized police) will be the main ones with firearms suitable for any sort of tyrannical resistance and/or hunting.

There are already efforts well underway to prohibit any firearm with a rifled bore - you know, something that was invented to the point of being effective in the 15th century, and have been in common military as well as domestic use for 200 years. Still, you can't regulate ingenuity.

This is why they're also trying to control/eliminate consumer ammunition production (by making it prohibitively expensive through the banning of things like smelting lead, making it illegal to import lead, and things like that) - at least in the US.

Unregulatable! (5, Insightful)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about 3 months ago | (#46800021)

In practice, 3D printing is unregulatable.

Practically unenforceable laws are worse than no law at all, because people get prosecuted at the whim of politicians.

Re:Unregulatable! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46800253)

As I see it, the likely government response to this will be increased surveillance. Despite what the gun nuts would say, I think that it is undesirable that guns become even more widely disseminated than they are now. The increasing population will increase the stresses on people, and more and more people will crack under the strain, and increased ease in obtaining firearms will result in more incidents.

Re:Unregulatable! (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | about 3 months ago | (#46800315)

How is it unregulated? Making a gun is actually quite easy, therefore guns are somewhat unregulatable.

As far as I am aware you pretty much have no chance of making a working 3D printer/3D toner in your garage. So if you are forced to buy them from one of the 12 factories in the world who make them then they are easily regrettable.

Re:Unregulatable! (1)

The123king (2395060) | about 3 months ago | (#46800439)

No it's not. Just require people who own a 3d printer to have a license for it. If you don't have a license, you go to jail. Simple.

Yawn (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46800055)

Keep your shitty gun printers, people in the *real* world aren't interested.

Re:Yawn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46800167)

Who the fuck mods this garbage up?

Give him an award (0, Troll)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 3 months ago | (#46800113)

I hope the guy qualifies for an award some time soon. A Darwin award.

Nice crotch shot of Cody stroking his gun (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46800137)

Obviously, Cody has some compensation issues.

Not the right tool for the job (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46800143)

A vastly more structurally sound weapon can be made on a low-end Bridgeport mill or similar. SLS, FDM and the like can't hold a candle to even a pipe with a cap on one end with a hold for a nail.

The guy's a nut, and using "3D printing means gun for everyone huehuehue" to seek attention. Until you can get something like Direct MEtal Deposition down to commodity pricing at high enough resolutions to avoid the need for finishing, the limiter on manufacturing of firearms will be a skilled machinist, not the equipment they;re using.

Re:Not the right tool for the job (1)

plopez (54068) | about 3 months ago | (#46800257)

A skilled machinist? I haven't kept up with gun manufacturing per se, but I thought due to high end robot milling machines the skill machinist had pretty much gone the way of the skilled buggy whip maker Most guns have the look and feel of stamped metal, plastic extruded, robot milled crap. Otherwise they wouldn't be so cheap.

Re:Not the right tool for the job (1)

cold fjord (826450) | about 3 months ago | (#46800701)

CNC machines do a lot of it these days, but if you are looking for customization, repair of something old, rare, or otherwise out of production, a skilled machinist / gunsmith could very easily be involved.

3D Printing - Anachy ? (4, Insightful)

pjrc (134994) | about 3 months ago | (#46800147)

I find it amusing that Anarchy will supposedly spring forth from a technology that depends on highly refined, multi-disciplinary engineering and built from precision materials that are only manufactured and sold at affordable pricing in the context of a highly ordered society.

Re:3D Printing - Anachy ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46800245)

I find it amusing that Anarchy will supposedly spring forth from a technology that depends on highly refined, multi-disciplinary engineering and built from precision materials that are only manufactured and sold at affordable pricing in the context of a highly ordered society.

There can be order without a ruler. P2P technologies is a human made prof of that. I am sure there are many others and many more example in nature. Fuck off.

Re:3D Printing - Anachy ? (3, Interesting)

Arker (91948) | about 3 months ago | (#46800491)

"I find it amusing that Anarchy will supposedly spring forth from a technology that depends on highly refined, multi-disciplinary engineering and built from precision materials that are only manufactured and sold at affordable pricing in the context of a highly ordered society."

Errr, why?

Re:3D Printing - Anachy ? (1)

cold fjord (826450) | about 3 months ago | (#46800705)

I find it amusing that Anarchy will supposedly spring forth from a technology that depends on highly refined, multi-disciplinary engineering and built from precision materials that are only manufactured and sold at affordable pricing in the context of a highly ordered society.

Nobody said that 3D printing was going to be a sustainable technology.

Dark-Wallet is not a currency. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46800151)

From the summery: "Dark Wallet, his new crypto-currency, is much more subversive than Bitcoin"

Dark wallet is a wallet application that uses bitcoin. There are tons of new crypto-currencies, but dark wallet is not one of them. Thank you anonymous reader: we all really needed this story about something you don't at all understand. Either: you didn't watch the interview or its total crap and won't inform you in a useful way, so why post it here? (And the printing guns part of it is irrelevant: 50 years ago you could make guns easily out of plumbing supplies: being able to make guns is not news)

I think we all already know Cody Wilson anyway; he is to back-markets and guns what Stallman is to free software: A fantastic reference point for his extreme views. I'm glad both of them are around to help our discussions of the issues, but if we are gonna discuss this stuff, can we get the facts somewhat close to right?

Matrix quote (1)

gmuslera (3436) | about 3 months ago | (#46800165)

Neo: What are you trying to tell me? That I can dodge bullets?

Morpheus: No, Neo. I'm trying to tell you that when you're ready, you won't have to.

The freedom that could gives 3d printers, virtual currency, and internet is not about printing bullets or guns, but about not needing them. Is a extreme proof of concept to be able to do even that, the key part is being able to do anything.

"Reason." (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46800171)

"Solution." "Truth." "Enlightenment."

Salesmanship.

Ignore this religious nut. You don't need a sky fairy to be a dogmatic moron.

gun control laws obsolete (0)

Osgeld (1900440) | about 3 months ago | (#46800201)

yea cause all the stupid people will have exploded plastic gun sticking out of their face when they die, we wont need them anymore

Oh what the fuck (0)

rebelwarlock (1319465) | about 3 months ago | (#46800287)

I know this sort of shit appeals heavily to basement dwellers, who love hearing "smash the system" because they seem convinced that "the system" is holding them down despite their own lack of marketable skills, but screaming "anarchy" is only cute when Gaige from Borderlands 2 does it. When real life adults do it, they sound like morons or lunatics. But the one thing these people don't understand is that the absolute worst thing that can happen for them is that someone important takes them seriously.

Oh fuck the what? (4, Insightful)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 3 months ago | (#46800745)

That's one hell of a strawman you've got there. I'm not an anarchist myself, but I'm not sure you've ever actually met many anarchists before if that's what you think of them. Sounds like you've conflated anarchy with chaos -- that's just silly. There are many native peoples that live quite happily in anarchy. [youtube.com] Self defense is an important aspect of anarchy. Note: The USA supreme court has ruled that it is not the duty of the police to protect anyone. They can't help you or your loved ones until they have already been victimized. The founding fathers of the USA also believed in a well armed militia. It is your duty to protect yourself, your loved ones, and your property -- Just like it is under anarchy... So, really, making weaponry more available is a good thing. Accidental shootings are rare, far more kids die in bathtubs or crossing the road than from accidental shootings, to say nothing of riding in cars themselves. Folks are OK with people building custom bathrooms and cars... right? Criminals don't care about gun control laws anyway.

I use a custom 3D printing rig for my robotics projects, and this gun project is AMAZING. Who doesn't want sturdier robots? Now, here's something interesting: How many technological advances can you think of that were not quickly militarized? Electricity? Nope. Uhm, radio? Nope. Cars? No -- hell, even horses were militarized. Computers? Nope, code makers and breakers. Telescopes? Immediately found their way to the battle field. Even our beloved RC cars, model airplanes and robots are becoming military drones. Did you know the US government reserves the right to option any patent for their exclusive secret (military) use? That's why patent applications are still secret even though first to file exists.

Making guns is human nature. We've been crafting weapons with unlikely materials for millions of years. Break this rock, and tie it to that stick and you can make a spear! However, this 3D printed gun is more of a proof of concept, and it's important because guns involve coping with extreme heat and pressure. It's sort of the same way that other than for boring entertainment or a very expensive hobby race cars are mostly pointless, except that many expensive impractical innovations from race cars do eventually make it into street cars for better safety, efficiency, speed, etc. I can hardly think of a better Olympics of 3D printing than gun making.

Also, "bits of plastic"... I can 3D print with metals using a simple welding rig. The resolution is shit, and requires lots of polishing afterwards, but the results are OK considering it's make-shift adaptation to a reprap, and they will only get better. If we can improve the durability of 3D printing, then you might order things at your computer and pick them up from the local hardware store in the "printware" section. Perhaps they'd have some thing-of-the week demo units of things to try out, printed while you wait, or delivered with your next pizza. Then we could drastically reduce our shipping infrastructure by producing products right in the stores, only shipping the raw materials to feed the printers. Other things like cars which you'd want certified MFGs to assemble could even be customized on demand -- Select a bigger cargo area, or narrower for tight spaces, get your logo crafted into the design.

Hell, we could even work our way up to custom designed 3D printed space craft, you'd have to bake the ceramic shields though. I've even made my own super capacitors by layering the ceramic clay and aluminum foil and baking it in the kiln (vertically, with the edges folded closed, only the lower 1/3rd retained its metal and became a huge capacitor. My welding rods deposit too thickly, but better metal and ceramic 3D printing could yield things with built in instant-charge inductive cells too one day. It's a ways off, esp. with entrenched market forces, but that's what refining 3D printing material science by making guns can lead us to.

If you're opposed to 3D printed guns, I would encourage you to NEVER drive a car. In fact, stay indoors at all times, and only eat health food, heart disease is one of the most dangerous things on the planet.... But fortunately we're working on 3D printed replacement hearts. [wired.co.uk]

Yeah, that'll bring Utopia (1)

rbrander (73222) | about 3 months ago | (#46800361)

Pretty funny to have this article right after the one about two large new corporations as "unelected superpowers". All the guns you can print won't materialize a factory for you to work in if unelected superpowers in our society decide to outsource your job. Waving a gun around your ISP offices won't make the oligopoly they're part of cut your Internet rates.

Threatening violence in the 30's didn't get poor people anything but far more violence used against them. (Turns out the Powers That Be have guns too, and way more of them.) Peaceful organizing of protests, labour unions, and voting blocs, on the other hand, shifted power (and money) from the old-millionaires-club of the 19th century to the new unfamiliar concept of the middle class. Granted, successful war against it has been waged for over 30 years, but it sure as hell won't be turned around because somebody starts handing out cheap guns.

Naive anarchists (0)

Livius (318358) | about 3 months ago | (#46800403)

Why do anarchists always assume that no-one will have a bigger gun? Organized crime is what anarchy looks like in the real world.

What does the size of the gun have to do with it? (1)

daninaustin (985354) | about 3 months ago | (#46800489)

You have been watching too much TV.

Re:Naive anarchists (2)

EmagGeek (574360) | about 3 months ago | (#46801019)

Do you even realize the irony of equating Anarchy with **ORGANIZED** crime?

Wonder (0)

WillyWanker (1502057) | about 3 months ago | (#46800443)

And then people wonder why the NSA is tracking everyone and the feds are developing drones. It's for asshats like this douchebag. Keep bragging asshole.

This will be a litmus test (1, Interesting)

paiute (550198) | about 3 months ago | (#46800717)

When printable guns become more feasible, it will be revealing what the NRA has to say about it. One one hand, you would think they would support this in the name of the Second Amendment and so on. I predict that the NRA will not be able to spit out the teat of gun manufacturers corporate money and will find some convoluted way to oppose private citizens making their own arms.

Re:This will be a litmus test (5, Insightful)

andydread (758754) | about 3 months ago | (#46800987)

When printable guns become more feasible, it will be revealing what the NRA has to say about it. One one hand, you would think they would support this in the name of the Second Amendment and so on. I predict that the NRA will not be able to spit out the teat of gun manufacturers corporate money and will find some convoluted way to oppose private citizens making their own arms.

The problem with your theory is that there are more members of the NRA that are private citizens than those that are gun manufacturers. When you buy into the noise that the NRA are all about gun manufacturers you forget the millions of people that are gun owners many of which are members that contribute more money to the NRA than all manufacturers combined. The pundits on the left would have you brainwashed into thinking the NRA is all a front for gun manufacturers. Take a look at what happened in purple Colorado. Even liberal gun owners that previously supported the 2 democrats that were recalled over onerous anti-gun legislation voted them out on recall. So no, the NRA cannot tell millions of its own members that they should not have the right to exercise their first ammendment right in their home.

Re:This will be a litmus test (0)

amosh (109566) | about 3 months ago | (#46801213)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Wait, you think that the NRA is a democratic institution which listens to the voice of "the little people"? Let me guess - you joined the NRA about the time I did (early 80s) and you have paid absolutely no attention to anything it's done in the last 20 years. Here's a hint - The NRA isn't the organization it was 30 years ago, or even 20 years ago. It doesn't give a crap about our gun rights. It's a bunch of Washington fatcats, and they'll tell you whatever you want to hear so that they can keep getting your money, and go on being the most powerful lobbyists in the country.

Brother, I love you. Shine on, you crazy diamond. Also, keep on talking about "the pundits on the left". Wayne LaPierre loves folk like you.

Huh - that's really interesting... I didn't realize that the organization I joined as a kid was already rotting by the time I joined it. I had thought that all started in the early 90s, when they made LaPierre (their chief lobbyist) the head of the organization, but it actually was the culmination of a power struggle within the organization that started in the late 70s. Oh well - I learned to shoot and how to safely use a rifle. Back then those things were still important to them.

But still - keep sending them those nickels and votes. You may want to go to one of the other fine organizations that promotes responsible gun ownership to teach your kids, though.

Re:This will be a litmus test (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46801013)

The NRA does not support the Second Amendment. The NRA supports threatening the Second Amendment to generate revenue from unsuspecting dupes who give them money to try less hard to take away gun rights.

They don't call the NRA "negotiating rights away" for nothing. A prime example of their shenanigans was sending lobbyists to Pennsylvania in the wee hours before the vote on HB40 (SYG Bill) to KILL it because they didn't want Gov. Ed Rendell to get credit for signing it into Law - which he said he would if it came to his desk.

The NRA also lobbied to have provisions removed from HB40 that would have strengthened gun rights in PA by removing the "character and reputation" clause that allows Sheriffs to arbitrary and capriciously deny LTCF applications; making it a criminal offense to improperly deny or willfully delay an LTCF application (as Philadelphia routinely does), and so on. The NRA gutted the bill that was ultimately passed, when a much better bill could have been passed.

Fuck the NRA.

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