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USB 2.0 For Linux

Hemos posted about 13 years ago | from the plug-and-play-away dept.

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SilentTone writes: "PCWorld is reporting that USB 2.0 or high speed USB will be hitting Linux first half 2002. Intel is already providing space on its Pentium 4 motherboard for the USB 2.0 controller. With a transfer rate of 480Mbps (more than firewire's 400Mbps) it seems promising." Update: 09/04 23:02 PM GMT by H : So, somewhere between my preview and going live, I seem to have "lost" the link - if you find it, please post below. I'm looking - in the meantime, this is a good Linux and USB tutorial, and Blue Cat Linux is supporting USB 2.0. HA! Found it - story updated.

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FASP! (-1)

Ralph JewHater Nader (450769) | about 13 years ago | (#2253337)

First anti-Semitic post!


Six million more!

frost pist (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253338)

it hurts and stuff.

Re:frost pist (-1)

I am a goat fucker (451772) | about 13 years ago | (#2253353)

I'm sure it hurts a lot.

3215465454th post!!! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253340)

asf!! i got it hoser!
ph33r me!!!

frist psot (-1, Offtopic)

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Re:frist psot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253356)

pi is exactly three.
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Re:frist psot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253452)

In Indiana this once was true. Love those conservative legislatures!!

Linux... (-1)

I am a goat fucker (451772) | about 13 years ago | (#2253344)

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once again..... (0, Redundant)

jeffy124 (453342) | about 13 years ago | (#2253351)

The linux Community has beaten Microsft to something big. First Itanium, now USB 2. (for those who dont know: USB 2 will not come w/ WinXP, it requires a separate download)

Apple (1)

docstrange (161931) | about 13 years ago | (#2253364)

Apple will probably beat major pc manufacturers to include it as a standard option on all their systems as well. Just like they did with USB, Firewire, and even Gigabit ethernet. Too bad their hardware is so expensive.

Re:Apple (-1)

I am a goat fucker (451772) | about 13 years ago | (#2253395)

Apple is for computer illiterates.

Re:Apple (1)

Knobby (71829) | about 13 years ago | (#2253560)

Thanks.. For a second there I thought about compiling my latest altivec optimized turbulence simulation, but now I realize that I clearly lack the intelligence to do so... I better sign-on to AOL and make sure my DARPA contract monitor knows that I lack the computer literacy to complete my work..

You fucking schmuck.. Mac users are no less computer literate than you and your geek brethren..

Re:Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253428)

There's no reason to include USB 2 on Apple (or any computer manufacturer's boards). There are no USB 2 products worth buying. And FireWire products are just plainly better (faster and with higher QoS). USB inherently slows down your CPU whenever you use it. Whereas FireWire is peer-to-peer. FireWire is the future now. No way Apple's going to touch this without some compelling reason. There is none - USB sucks.

There is no Linux "community" (-1)

I am a goat fucker (451772) | about 13 years ago | (#2253371)

Just a bunch of losers.

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Sophitry (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253372)

Is that really indicative of anything? Linux remains absurdly difficult to learn for most computer users, and it will probably remain that way.

Re:once again.....GNU/Linux lags BSD (0, Flamebait)

mr (88570) | about 13 years ago | (#2253397)

And FreeBSD (not to mention Apple) had support for USB before GNU/Linux.

Do not get too high on your horse about how superior Linux is, cuz well, someone will knock ya down.

Windows: Where do you want to go today
Linux: Where do you want to go tomarrow
BSD: Hey! Are you guys comming or what?!?!?!

Re:once again.....GNU/Linux lags BSD (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253444)

Actually, NetBSD had USB support before any other free operating system, including FreeBSD.

I believe that FreeBSD based their USB code off of NetBSD.

Re:once again.....GNU/Linux lags BSD (1)

mr (88570) | about 13 years ago | (#2253497)

NetBSD may have been 1st. I don't track NetBSD. I do know wihin 2 weeks of FreeBSD's announcement, Appple supported USB....and Linux lagged in this case.

Re:once again.....GNU/Linux lags BSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253446)

Its just Linux
no GNU crap.

Re:once again.....GNU/Linux lags BSD (3, Offtopic)

garett_spencley (193892) | about 13 years ago | (#2253450)

Will someone please hurry up and mod this freak a troll please, I'm all out of mod points! I'm very sick and tired of hearing BSD zealots bash linux.

I have nothing against BSD. As a matter of fact I LOVE BSD. I have deployed all the major BSD variants (Free, NET and Open) and their merits are undisputable. But for crying out loud this flaming is FUCKING ANNOYING!

And the funny thing is that what you guys accuse Linux users of you are guilty of yourself! I'm thinking in particular of the 1337 h4x0r attitude. While a number of Linux lusers have been guilty of this in the past I'm seeing more and more BSD lusers doing the same thing. By bashing Linux! "I'm so 1337 u 1inUx users 5ucK! Switch to BSD! It's awesome. It doesn't suck like linux!"

So please shut up and stop being hypocrits. BSD is great but so is Linux. Get over it! No one wants to hear your whining.

Now someone please mod this post as offtopic.

P.S Oh and for the record. Regarding my first paragraph: I'm also sick of hearing Linux users bash MS.

--
Garett

Re:once again.....GNU/Linux lags BSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253462)

ok, now for the record... Exactly who is the troll here? :-)

Re:once again.....GNU/Linux lags BSD (1, Offtopic)

garett_spencley (193892) | about 13 years ago | (#2253510)

His post was the troll, not mine. Explanation:

My post offered a honest opinion (in a purposefully-loud tone) and gave facts and explanations to back it up.

All he did was bash Linux. He mentioned how BSD had USB before Linux in an attempt to make linux look inferior. Then he offered a rude joke that bashed MS and Linux and made BSD come out favourable. What he essentially did was offered an opposed opinion with nothing to back it up in an attempt to aggravate his "target".

IMHO his post was troll-like. Mine was rude and flameful, but it was well though-out, had a point and was not meant to offend anyone. It was meant to simply to point out how annoyed I was at his post.

--
Garett

Re:once again.....GNU/Linux lags BSD (1, Offtopic)

mr (88570) | about 13 years ago | (#2253526)

Hey Troll whiner.....where is your links to DISPROVE MY STATEMENT that FreeBSD had USB support before Apple and BOTH had it before Linux? Oh, wait, you have no facts....just linux hype and got a moderator to back it up.

(and for the record, NetBSD had it Before FreeBSD)

Re:once again.....GNU/Linux lags BSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253536)

You're a fucking faggot.

Go ahead disprove my statment bitch.

Re:once again.....GNU/Linux lags BSD (0, Offtopic)

mr (88570) | about 13 years ago | (#2253473)

Hey, self-taught programming freak-boy......do you actually have proof that FreeBSD's annoucne suppro wans't days before Apple announced USP supprt, and BOTH parties had USB support before any Linux Distro shipped w/USP support?

You are quick to whine, quick to ask for moderators, but where is your proof that I'm wrong?

Links, whiner boy....links.

jeeez!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253505)

doesn't your flavor of BSD support spell-checking?

There IS a "Preview" button for a reason, you know...

Re:once again.....GNU/Linux lags BSD (2)

garett_spencley (193892) | about 13 years ago | (#2253520)

I never said that you were wrong. I don't believe that you were wrong. Where did you get that impression from?

Did you even read my post?

--
Garett

Re:once again.....GNU/Linux lags BSD (2)

mr (88570) | about 13 years ago | (#2253548)

So what you are saying is you are a linux bigot, you whine when someone posts a FACT that FreeBSD had usb support before Linux.

What is amazing is that moderators are such mindless sheep to follow your whining. March off the cliff Linux Lemmings! Dance to the puppet master spencley-sales!!!!

Re:once again.....GNU/Linux lags BSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253561)

Big fucking deal.

Call me when FreeBSD supports more than two archictectures...

Or more real SMP....

FreeBSD had support for USB, to bad it didn't have shiat for drivers for those devices or it might have actually been useful...

Linux is blowing past your silly BSD operating systems, don't take it personal...

No, dipshit (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253575)

What he is saying is, "Flaming about OS's is stupid. Knock it off!"

I understood him, maybe you need to go back to grade school to understand basic English.

EVERY OS has its strengths and weaknesses. EVERY OS you can think of is better at something than every other OS.
So, enjoy your *BSD, it sure rulez, all right.

But when you flame, you're a moron. (Well, you're probably a moron no matter what...)

Re:once again.....GNU/Linux lags BSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253572)

Shut up asshole.

Somebody mod this guy down so hard his IP is banned for months. Someone posts a simple fact that BSD had support BEFORE linux, and several other competitors, and this fuckstick blows up like you pissed on his grandmother's grave.

Umm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253402)

Shouldn't you wait until it's available on Linux before you decide who won the race? It's still vaporware right now. That's what "first half 2002" means.

too many standards = no standard at all (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253411)

Let's just stick w/ FireWire/iLink/ieee1394 shall we? When there are so many different 'standards' (like this which isn't even out yet!) it comes to a point when there are no real standards at all. USB, USB 2.0, Firewire, and the many surrounding names. If we could just settle on something and go w/ it we will be much better off. The world would be a better place if we would have one interface for Input devices, audio/video, fixed media, removable media, webcams, digital cameras, scanners, etc. Too much to ask I suppose.

Re:too many standards = no standard at all (1)

MassacrE (763) | about 13 years ago | (#2253430)

you wouldn't like it if I agreed with you, because the input devices would knock out FireIeee1394LinkWire out of the running.

ok, as you wish :-) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253431)

USB is common.

FireWire isn't, unless you use Macs or DV.

So, looks like we pick USB and the USB 2.0 revision of it to remain backwards compatible whilst upping the speed.

Re:ok, as you wish :-) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253436)

Bullshit. FireWire is ubiquitous on the line of currently manufactured PC boards. FireWire peripherals actually exist (unlike USB 2). It's also the basis for HAVi (the next-gen digital home audio/video interface standard and the basis for automobile a/v interconnects. And the next-gen version with 800 Mbps has already been accepted. Try peer-to-peer with USB. You just can't do it.

Re:once again (4, Interesting)

fobbman (131816) | about 13 years ago | (#2253429)

Mind you I'm unable to quote whatever article that Hemos is referring to as there is no link to the story and I've searched the PCWorld website and found nothing about Linux and USB 2.0, but just going off of the quote it says that Linux won't have support until the first half of 2002 while this story [pcworld.com] quotes that Microsoft already has beta drivers and final WinXP drivers will be available by either the end of this year or the first part of next.

Sure there was no linked article, but at least read the freaking POST before you go trumpeting Linux beating M$.

your logic boggles... (4, Insightful)

levl289 (72277) | about 13 years ago | (#2253451)

If you were to read the headline, Linux gets this in Q1 2002. WinXP is gold *now*, meaning that it'll be out before then. Beyond that, I'm running 2.2.18 right now, so yeah, that too will require a separate download.

If you're gonna bash MS, do it with proper logic.

(I'm sure this'll win me a modding-down)

PLEASE MOD UP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253484)

PLEASE MOD UP

Re:once again.....pOSAROFJ Ajdsf/sl/dsmg / (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253513)

"The linux Community has beaten Microsft to something big. First Itanium, now USB 2. (for those who dont know: USB 2 will not come w/ WinXP, it requires a separate download)"

Fuck off, USB 2 is dead in the water...besides it's vapor..2002, shea ok just like mozilla was supposed to come out in 2000...

uh i violated the postersubj compression filter, what ever the fuck that is, i thought this web site has been around long enough that all the shoddiness had been elimanted from the software, apparently not.

Pardon me for... (3, Insightful)

Burning1 (204959) | about 13 years ago | (#2253546)

...sounding like a troll, but... who cares?

Does it really matter weather Linux supports USB 2.0 before manufacturer X?

Do we really need to act like a bunch of kids arguing back and forth about our toy being better than someone else's?
  • Linux gets USB2 support? Great.
  • Linux isn't going to be behind the curve on this new technology? Excellent.
But seriously people, do you seriously feel that it's only possible for Linux to be considered a viable operating system if we parade our wins?

Microsoft will support USB 2.0 when the situation demands it.

Hey, If you want to do an item by item comparason between operating systems, and are willing to admit failures as well as success: go for it.

...But this kind of comment just makes us look like children.

mmm (0, Troll)

Yablo (98362) | about 13 years ago | (#2253362)

mmm, usb 2.0... now if only my devices supported it...

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selena.sai.msu.ru port 3128
elektra.oskarshamnenergi.se port 8080
north.ixir.net port 8080
inet-sv.zenon.co.jp port 3128
zippy.internettv.net.au port 8080
server.nktv.no port 3128
213-186-155-231.ixir.net port 8080
abidjan.aviso.ci port 8080
virtual.ibahn.net port 3128
ws-207-214-63-4.choc.org port 3128
livesaymgmt.wintek.com port 3128
t4071.compaq.el.obs.utcluj.ro port 3128
lhc7.iae.nl port 8080
vic.tsocm.pub.ro port 3128
newsfeeds01.thdo.bbc.co.uk port 3128
zeus.sksyu.net port 8080
m001.bess.net port 8080
rad.afonline.net port 8080
relay02.putra.net.my port 8080
rubis.snl.ch port 8080
silmaril.vwv.com port 8080
smithp.lnk.telstra.net port 8000
select1.lnk.telstra.net port 8080
stcloud1.chartermi.net port 8080
sat-radius.knoware.nl port 8080
zta.co.zw port 8080
real.nauticom.net port 3128
ns1.yelhkg.com port 3128
mail.cltinfo.com port 3128
linux.jetlitho.com port 3128
ip102.foxsix.com port 3128
home.raton.com port 3128
inktomi2-oxf.server.ntl.com port 8080
sg1.bethesda.co.za port 8080
mail.gymnaziumtu.cz port 3128
proxy.qatar.net.qa port 8080
cache.nrtco.net port 3128
gw.advokati.pb.cz port 3128
mail.uraltelecom.ru port 8080
202.159.84.40 port 8080
212.187.37.15 port 8080
161.184.79.143 port 1080
202.134.0.116 port 8080
c27093.upc-c.chello.nl port 1080
proxy.p-ol.com port 3128
212.71.98.220 port 8080
tiger.sul.com.br port 3128
202.155.85.43 port 8080
proxy.bragatel.pt port 8080
216.6.25.140 port 1080
12.8.0.55 port 1080
proxy.mlg.globalxtreme.net port 8080
12.8.0.61 port 1080
north.ixir.net port 8080
oak.timberland.lib.wa.us port 1080
198.63.201.1 port 8080
194.25.99.218 port 3128
12.8.0.50 port 1080
217.73.128.1 port 8080
proxy.hacker.com.br port 3128
d147073.upc-d.chello.nl port 8080
148.122.66.52 port 8080
194.117.133.9 port 8080
194.93.134.3 port 8080
195.25.214.167 port 8000
82-bryan-hattingh.netactive.net port 8080
195.25.214.178 port 8000
eichmancpa.com port 1080
203.33.133.18 port 1080
proxy.spnet.net port 8080
irc.brasnet.org port 8080
sun10.atk.u-kaposvar.hu port 3128
ns.kitahama.or.jp port 8080
clamserv.rutgers.edu port 8080
82-bryan-hattingh.netactive.net port 8080
193.188.97.152 port 8080
207.35.195.98 port 8080
w3cache.cyf-kr.edu.pl port 8080
210.120.192.21 port 8080
210.136.71.110 port 8080
lhc7.iae.nl port 8080
66.61.61.22 port 1080
64.229.65.49 port 1080
138.89.74.41 port 1080
kloss.datanova.se port 3128
65.161.227.148 port 1080
windmill.irulethe.net port 8080
elpxy02.ce.mediaone.net port 8081
ns.infnet.co.jp port 8080
cache.school.net.th port 8080
zeus.sksyu.net port 8080
rtc.origin.net.au port 8080
rtc.origin.net.au port 8080
217.156.94.247 port 8080
216.6.27.38 port 1080
210.120.192.23 port 8080
148.74.255.102 port 8080
134.192.1.23 port 8080
62.236.118.98 port 8081
62.96.215.180 port 8080
24.30.226.20 port 8080
12.22.183.197 port 8080
194.126.101.118 port 8080
cache1.neti.ee port 8080
pep.vnet.ee port 3128
cache1.estpak.ee port 8080
proxy.monash.edu.au port 8080
12.23.80.130 port 8080
213.33.7.125 port 1080
203.121.0.14 port 8001
cache2-1.nexgo.lab.arcor.de port 8080
nss.beer-co.com port 3128
csw.postimees.ee port 8080
kleinbonum.ethz.ch port 8080
httpproxy.math.uwaterloo.ca port 8080
crackers.kingisland.net.au port 3128
skkrs02.shinwaship.co.jp port 8080
194.15.237.2 port 8080
cache3.casscabletv.com port 3128
211.186.98.136 port 1080
eu.undernet.org port 8080
138.89.71.52 port 8080
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206.208.62.141 port 8080
194.183.128.61 port 8080
cachix1.tele.net port 8080
underslet.org port 8080
me.root.at port 3128
cartman.thenap.net port 3128
gw.advokati.pb.czport3128 port 1080
inktomi2-oxf.server.ntl.com port 8080
gateway.spc.com.au port 8080
213.26.127.229 port 1080
cache2-2.nexgo.lab.arcor.de port 8080
rad.afonline.net port 8080
venus.ketix.net port 8080
info.stakes.fi port 8080
commerce.shockware.com port 8080
mail.laloo.com port 8000
bradle.lnk.telstra.net port 1080
mail.klimatair.gr port 1080
tsukasa1.tsukasa-unet.ocn.ne.jp port 8080
mails.hyundai.lk port 1080
proxy.ids.it port 8080
mail.hchr.org.co port 3128
web.dispro.com.br port 8080
server.scheiber.sulinet.hu port 1080
service.dp.ua port 3128
xena.fiber.gr port 8080
proxy.kzi.co.jp port 8080
beatle.classic.ru port 1080
dns.som.com port 8080
gw.sfm.cz port 3128
cacheflow.cotas.com.bo port 8080
fw-118-098.kymp.net port 8081
194.226.183.222 port 8080
195.103.91.2 port 8080
cf545-1.toronto.c1.ca port 8080
pta-proxy.mweb.co.za port 8080
195.42.143.8 port 8080
200.193.215.2 port 8080
206.50.58.19 port 8080
200.195.224.3 port 8080
host091026.metrored.net.ar port 3128
e40035.upc-e.chello.nl port 3128
s8.tc236.coslink.net port 8080
pepe.horak.cz port 3128
wan-226.1.rev.fr.colt.net port 3128
cache.sjc.tlct.net port 8080
proxy.webbernet.net port 8080
proxy01.hk.linkage.net port 8080
212.45.4.227 port 1080
200.39.122.68 port 3128
gt-GMZ-Guryevsk.kuzbass.net port 3128
200.21.224.121 port 3128
212.77.192.45 port 8080
213.29.228.3 port 3128
fiji.linuxacademy.ne.jp port 8080
4.40.14.210 port 3128
211.99.40.97 port 3128
213.194.64.250 port 8080
cache.cwpanama.net port 8080
cache34.bora.net port 8080
webcache.bt.net port 8080
go.becker.edu port 8080
w3cache.icm.edu.pl port 8080
cache25.bora.net port 8080
210.100.140.252 port 8080
north.ocs.k12.al.us port 1080
cache24.bora.net port 8080
203.130.212.7 port 8080
df-uw.fip.dataforce.net port 3128
sat.ambra.ro port 8080
213.67.145.192 port 1080
195.31.181.131 port 1080
cablemas.cablemas.com.mx port 8080
proxy.club-internet.fr port 8080
24.166.72.130 port 1080
24.168.203.189 port 1080
195.167.71.2 port 8080
208.206.174.8 port 8080
212.22.64.70 port 8080
210.120.192.32 port 8080
161.184.78.29 port 1080
161.184.106.130 port 1080
linux1.bora.net port 8080
linux2.bora.net port 8080
12.5.17.80 port 8080
cache17.bora.net port 8080
cache16.bora.net port 8080
cache15.bora.net port 8080
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cache1.bora.net port 8080
webcacheM09b.cache.pol.co.uk port 8080
62.30.132.75 port 1080
213.67.145.192 port 1080
proxy.qatar.net.qa port 8080
mail.zipp.sk port 8080
north.ocs.k12.al.us port 1080
proxy.bnet.net.tr port 8080
cablemas.cablemas.com.mx port 8080
209-9-133-3.sdsl.cais.net port 1080
mail.uraltelecom.ru port 8080
elpxy01.ce.mediaone.net port 8080
12.5.17.80 port 8000
cache25.bora.net port 8080
cache26.bora.net port 8080
cache27.bora.net port 8080
cache28.bora.net port 8080
cache29.bora.net port 8080
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cache32.bora.net port 8080
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cache34.bora.net port 8080
cache35.bora.net port 8080
cache36.bora.net port 8080
d147073.upc-d.chello.nl port 8080
wcs1-pent.nipr.mil port 8081
webcacheM09b.cache.pol.co.uk port 8080
a20009.upc-a.chello.nl port 3128
203.12.64.200 port 8080
selena.sai.msu.ru port 3128
elektra.oskarshamnenergi.se port 8080
north.ixir.net port 8080
inet-sv.zenon.co.jp port 3128
zippy.internettv.net.au port 8080
server.nktv.no port 3128
213-186-155-231.ixir.net port 8080
abidjan.aviso.ci port 8080
virtual.ibahn.net port 3128
ws-207-214-63-4.choc.org port 3128
livesaymgmt.wintek.com port 3128
t4071.compaq.el.obs.utcluj.ro port 3128
lhc7.iae.nl port 8080
vic.tsocm.pub.ro port 3128
newsfeeds01.thdo.bbc.co.uk port 3128
zeus.sksyu.net port 8080
m001.bess.net port 8080
rad.afonline.net port 8080
relay02.putra.net.my port 8080
rubis.snl.ch port 8080
silmaril.vwv.com port 8080
smithp.lnk.telstra.net port 8000
select1.lnk.telstra.net port 8080
stcloud1.chartermi.net port 8080
sat-radius.knoware.nl port 8080
zta.co.zw port 8080
real.nauticom.net port 3128
ns1.yelhkg.com port 3128
mail.cltinfo.com port 3128
linux.jetlitho.com port 3128
ip102.foxsix.com port 3128
home.raton.com port 3128
inktomi2-oxf.server.ntl.com port 8080
sg1.bethesda.co.za port 8080
mail.gymnaziumtu.cz port 3128

IP banning (-1)

I am a goat fucker (451772) | about 13 years ago | (#2253384)

That's why I love my dial up access.

Smart Move (1)

docstrange (161931) | about 13 years ago | (#2253386)

Smart one: now all they need to do is ban your entire proxy list as well.

Re:Smart Move (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253401)

Just let a perl script run over night and you get a list about that size. No biggie.

Device Drivers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253368)

Who cares??!!!???

Without device drivers, it will be useless and it is tough to get USB device drivers.

We need to organize some effort to convince manufacturer's to produce open specs for USB device's that they build.

Doh (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253373)

400mbps.

400 millibaud!!! Damn that's slow!

MY EYES HURT (-1)

Spootnik (518145) | about 13 years ago | (#2253374)

DUETOLONGMONITOREXPOSURE.. GOTTA GO TO SLEEP NOW

But what (2, Funny)

AirLace (86148) | about 13 years ago | (#2253375)

will Linux driver developers reverse engineer if there are no Microsoft Windows USB2.0 drivers [cnet.com] ?

USB 2.0 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253385)

Well whooopie fucking do. That's fantastic.

To bad none of these USB 2 devices are gonna have drivers.

Sure maybe the USB will work, but since none of these kind of devices ever have linux drivers, it's pointless.

And where might we read about this? (0)

Cutriss (262920) | about 13 years ago | (#2253387)

Umm...WHERE exactly are they reporting this? DAMN...This time the Slashdot editors didn't even bother checking to see if there WAS a story to read...

Dude...Where's the article? (1)

bark76 (410275) | about 13 years ago | (#2253413)

Thank god someone else can't find it, I thought I was going crazy. Has anyone found it yet, or did some mysterious poster from the future post this before all the other kharma whores even had a chance?

USB 2.0 is already here... (4, Informative)

dew (3680) | about 13 years ago | (#2253393)

At Fry's Electronics here in Silicon Valley, low-cost USB 2.0 PCI controllers have been on the shelves for well over a month now. Funny thing is, I haven't seen any devices on the shelves that could speak 2.0. Maybe I just didn't happen to see them, but it seems that we might run into the kind of time-delay catch-22's that plagued the original USB: it wasn't important to get a USB board or have USB-support because there weren't any peripherals, and there wasn't any impetus to manufacture USB peripherals, since the install base of computers with USB controllers was small. So USB took quite some time to actually achieve widespread penetration. The same fate may befall 2.0; it may be at least a year before 2.0 is truly compelling. In the interim, Firewire will do quite well. (It's more widespread and is also a more interesting, peered protocol with QOS-like features.)

At any rate, Linux support for these next-generation devices is still important; better for it to come sooner (before it's popular) than later (at which point people wonder why Linux is lagging behind).

Re:USB 2.0 is already here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253409)

Yes, it should be noted that FireWire soundly kicks USB 2's ass and that getting 480 MBps out of a USB line is a near impossibility. FireWire is still faster than USB 2 in every implementation available on the market.

Re:USB 2.0 is already here... (3, Informative)

srvivn21 (410280) | about 13 years ago | (#2253486)

The nice thing about the transition from USB to USB2 is that devices are compatable. You can run USB2 devices through a USB interface (albeit at lower speeds). I don't think that the incubation period is going to be as long this time.

Then again, what the hell do I know? =o)

Re:USB 2.0 is already here... (2)

Megane (129182) | about 13 years ago | (#2253493)

Funny thing is, I haven't seen any devices on the shelves that could speak 2.0.

Maybe they've been shipping them all to their new (just opened this past weekend) store in Austin? I saw 'em there, but I'm already sold on Firewire as the better technology. Hell, even Intel is hedging their bets and getting 1394 into their chipsets.

Re:USB 2.0 is already here... (3, Informative)

jacobito (95519) | about 13 years ago | (#2253524)

Actually the problem with acceptance of the original USB was lack of OS support. USB-equipped motherboards were available for quite some time, but Win95 and WinNT had extremely poor or no support respectively. I don't think USB devices took off until Win98 and then the iMac came out. As for Linux, well I love it and I use it, but it's probably fair to say that the USB support in 2.2 had little influence on the number of USB devices that were manufactured.

My $0.02, anyway.

Who cares about USB? FireWire is where it's at. (0, Flamebait)

Cutriss (262920) | about 13 years ago | (#2253404)

"PCWorld is reporting that USB 2.0 or high speed USB will be hitting Linux first half 2002. Intel is already providing space on its Pentium 4 motherboard for the USB 2.0 controller. With a transfer rate of 480mbps (more than firewire's 400mbps) it seems promising."

That's nice. Now our USB peripherals will be unsupported in Linux much more quickly than they are in Windows!

Isn't this putting the cart before the horse? Let's get some useful peripherals out there first.

Oh yeah. FireWire v1 runs at 400Mbps, which is nothing to sneeze at, but I'm pretty sure they're testing v2 and v3 now, which double and quadruple that rate.

Re:Who cares about USB? FireWire is where it's at. (1)

Cutriss (262920) | about 13 years ago | (#2253424)

Oh...before the grammar Nazi comes along...I meant to say "Now our USB peripherals will be unsupported in Linux much more quickly than they were in USB v1.1!"

Re:Who cares about USB? FireWire is where it's at. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253578)

FireWire is tomorrow's standard today.

Electronic News article: [e-insite.net]
IEEE 1394b: Faster, Longer and Simpler

Nice post, but (2)

TeknoHog (164938) | about 13 years ago | (#2253406)

A few things:
  1. How about including a link to the original story? To say that PCWorld can be found at http://www.pcworld.com/ isn't terribly enlightening.
  2. If the readers of /. need to be informed that 480 is more than 400, I'm probably jacked in the wrong board.
  3. Huh? It's less than a bit per second? 'm' is for milli, one thousandth.
  4. Somebody is being sarcastic.

Re:Nice post, but (1)

bark76 (410275) | about 13 years ago | (#2253556)


3.Huh? It's less than a bit per second? 'm' is for milli, one thousandth.


Hold on there cowboy, you're talking crazy metric talk there. In the world of bits and bytes isn't little m = 1000 and big M = 1024 (or was it the other way around, I can't remember). Maybe I'm the one who's crazy. In fact, maybe I should stop posting to slashdot whenever I've spent more than 8 hours in one day working on nothing but pointers and memory.

USB 2.0, too late... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253408)

It has already been reported that Firewire will be shipping soon at 800Mbps, so why bother comparing? royalities to Apple or Intel(?) we still pay someone.

USB networking? (1)

Yorrike (322502) | about 13 years ago | (#2253414)

How long before we can set up a USB2.0 network?

Sounds like a good step if USB2.0 doesn't cost too much.

Re:USB networking? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253443)

That's a friggin idiot idea. USB hub != networking hub. If you need faster than 100Mb networking, upgrade to gigabit, so you can use proper switching equipment.

But leave it to some lame linux fucker to kludge together a USB LAN, totally pointless and inefficient but HEY, why not? It isn't like that time couldn't be better put to use, say, writing drivers for USB devices, eh?

Re:USB networking? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253463)

Oh trust me a USB LAN is just the kind of gay shit linux lamers love. It would probably get front page slashdot to. "hey check out this hack, two dorks hooked up their dorm with a USB network, they attach webcams in the hall to it, so they don't get cuaght masterbating". USB LAN is the ultimate in gay. Only a fucking total wanker would even suggest that shit. Seriously are these people smoking cock. Suggest a USB lan is the same as saying "i'm a moron who dones't know shit about networks". God damn slashfags.

Re:USB networking? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253468)

werd, homie!

Re:USB networking? (1)

DavidJA (323792) | about 13 years ago | (#2253569)

A USB lan would be a great idea for simple home networking. Imagine it, just take this USB cable to connect your two computers together and your away!

The problem with USB 2.0 (4, Interesting)

James Ray Kenney (9036) | about 13 years ago | (#2253416)

After reading the comments so far, I figured that there should be something on topic, SO...

The one problem with USB 2.0 is that it needs a computer to function. That makes it useless for many consumer uses.
Firewire does not need a computer in the loop. Each device is intelligent enough to talk to other devices in and of itself.

While USB 2.0 does not market itself for those purposes, it does market itself for purposes that firewire has worked fine for, for the last few years. Purposes like video transfer, high-speed data connection, etc. Fire wire is cheep enough these days that interface boards are being bundled along with low-end video editing software.

If more motherboards would provide it onboard, there would be NO need for USB 2.0, except in the few situations where a hub topology was really needed.

James Ray Kenney

Re:The problem with USB 2.0 (2)

Jeffrey Baker (6191) | about 13 years ago | (#2253466)

Whenever I compare the two, I always arrive at the analogy that FireWire is to USB2 as SCSI is to EIDE. FireWire is simply a very elegant and appealing solution that already exists and is already better than USB 2.0. The only way to push USB is by putting a huge marketing force (Intel) behind it. Eventually, I think FireWire will own the high-end while USB owns the random Taiwanese junk market. Compare SCSI and ATA today.

Re:The problem with USB 2.0 (1)

James Ray Kenney (9036) | about 13 years ago | (#2253511)

Yes, I know what you mean. If companies had started using SCSI in bulk, then the prices would have been MUCH lower, MUCH faster.
It is a shame that SCSI and Firewire are not included as standard equipment on everything except the VERY cheapest motherboards. If they were, the market for SCSI and Firewire devices would be MUCH larger and the prices would plummet, creating MORE demand, causing MORE price decreases, causing .... you get the idea.

James Ray Kenney

More background Re:The problem with USB 2.0 (1)

jdunlevy (187745) | about 13 years ago | (#2253479)

An article ("USB 2.0 versus FireWire") related to this [macworld.com] ran on MacCentral [macworld.com] back in April.

It predicts firewire and usb will coexist, with firewire probably remaining dominant in audio/video.

The point-to-point aspect of firewire seems like a huge advantage for these applications, and it will be interesting to see if the predicted speed bumps of firewire 2 and 3 really are double and triple current speeds, as expected (and way faster than USB 2).

Re:The problem with USB 2.0 (1)

standards (461431) | about 13 years ago | (#2253525)

Alright, finally someone who knows what he's talking about:

Firewire is a bit more powerful than USB 2.0, given it's expandability and it's hostless capabilities.

Firewire has already become a huge advantage in my industry - the video editing industry. USB 2.0 cannot and will not replace Firewire in terms of performance and flexibility.

USB is a great, inexpensive interface for mice and other desktop devices connected to a computer. Firewire is great for predictable, high-speed data transfers between many classes of high speed devices.

USB 2.0 is an improvement in technology, but it does not improve customer relations. More incompatibile hardware and moving-target standards only results in more costs to the end users.

It's all well and good... (0)

CtrlPhreak (226872) | about 13 years ago | (#2253417)

But I don't see USB 2.0 succeding Firewire. With the second generation Firewire 2.0 comming out soon with 800Mb/s, I would think that many manufacturers already with products connecting with Firewire(orig) would more easily switch to Firewire 2. I see each product filling the respective roles right now, but just with a speed bump. Digital cameras with USB 2.0 and high end digital camcorders with Firewire 2.0.

more than firewire..? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253418)

aren't newer and fully backward-compatible firewire interfaces going to start showing up soon that run much faster than the original ones?

does USB 2.0 have any advantages over firewire other than that you're paying licensing fees to Intel and not Apple? (and isn't it free to conform to the firewire spec as long as you call it "IEEE 1394" or whatever instead of "firewire"?) Is there any reason for this USB2 standard to exist other than ensuring that nothing that involves an Apple patent becomes industry standard?

gay (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253419)

uh theres no fucking article. seriusly do these fucking fags even look if theres an article there or what? they just zee some pro linux crap and post it so they can get back to cneosaring everyone.

Getting USB support first is poinltess becuase

1) There are no devices for it yet, by the time there are everyone and there moms stupid os will support it.

2) None of these devices will actually have drivers anyway.

So once again fuck you slashdot for a stupid article from a fucking faggot ass editor.

If a camel is a horse designed by committee (3, Funny)

alewando (854) | about 13 years ago | (#2253421)

Then USB 2.0 is a duckbilled platypus.

Everyone, sing after me:
Let's slap together a bunch of features onto a product never intended to provide them!
Hey!

Let's win this battle on the marketing field rather than the technical merits!
Hey!

Let's leverage our existing monopolies to create new ones!
Hey!

What's the "SB" in USB stand for? Serial Bus? No! Super Bandwidth!
Hey!


Microsoft [adequacy.org] isn't going with USB 2.0 [zdnet.com] ; that alone should give pause. And what's the roadmap for the future? A present negligible superiority is all well and good for the moment, but how much can they expect to increase it as IEEE 1394 plods ahead? Not terribly much.

*Sigh*

Firewire will be at 800mbps this fall... (1)

dnorman (135330) | about 13 years ago | (#2253423)

It's just waiting for the rubber stamp. Initial hardware is almost ready to go.

I really don't need my keyboard running at 480mbps, so USB2 doesn't really appeal to me.

800mbps of firewire, now THAT is nice...

Gee (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253425)

Thanks so much for linking to the article. By the way, CNN [cnn.com] is reporting that George W. Bush has been assassinated.

Did anyone else attend WinHEC? USB 2.0 is dead... (1, Flamebait)

rarose (36450) | about 13 years ago | (#2253439)

Listen folks... anyone who attended WinHEC in Anaheim this year couldn't have missed the writing on the wall. USB is low speed keyboard/mice/joystick/ticker-tape stuff. High bandwidth video/storage/networking is Firewire.
And we're all grown up enough to realize that Windows (and WinHEC) drive the volumes that hardware manufacturers look at to determine what to make.

Put a fork in USB 2.0... it's toast.

But, will anyone use it? (1)

myov (177946) | about 13 years ago | (#2253442)

Intel wants to expand USB so that it can be used for high bandwidth devices, which traditionally has been the role of FireWire. Yet, Firewire's already established. There are many devices already on the market supporting this standard (camcorders, hard drives, etc). USB 2.0 is still basically vaporware - it's not shipping, and I don't know of any usb 2.0 devices. I really don't see any reason to use USB 2.0 over FireWire.

Firewire can also be used for data transfer without a computer (digital camcorder to vcr, as an example). Since Intel's behind USB and they're interested in selling boxes, you need a computer in every usb chain.

Besides, the next generation of firewire will be ready soon, doubling the transfer rate to 800 mbps.

Not much of a story (5, Informative)

Quikah (14419) | about 13 years ago | (#2253449)

After a few minutes of searching I think I finally figured out exactly where PCWorld has "reported" that Linux will have USB 2.0 drivers in first half of 2002. It is located in this story [pcworld.com] .

Here is the information they give:

"But don't count USB 2.0 out. Microsoft has announced that it will offer downloadable USB 2.0 drivers for Windows 2000 and for the upcoming Windows XP operating system. Linux support for USB 2.0 should come in the first half of 2002.

Silicon behemoth Intel currently provides space for a USB 2.0 controller chip on its Pentium 4 motherboards, and Gateway has announced that it will put the chips in some PCs beginning this fall. Intel and Acer Labs plan to put USB 2.0 into at least some chip sets by mid-2002; Via Technologies, on the other hand, will add IEEE 1394 support to its chip sets before turning to USB 2.0. AMD says it will support USB 2.0, but not how or when."


Sounds like speculation to me on the Linux drivers. Do any Linux USB devs have any actual info about this?

Just a quick question (0)

JohnHegarty (453016) | about 13 years ago | (#2253461)

Will an exisiting usb device , say a mouse usb1 (that will really need 480mb) work on usb2.

If not , then it will never take off.

Anyway , is there really that much need for this transfer rate with home users... most hard drives would have trouble reading 480mb in a second)....

bits? (0)

metalhed77 (250273) | about 13 years ago | (#2253531)

is it bits or bytes? i assume bits but i can't really tell since every said mbps and i doubt we're talking about millibits here since that doesn't exist!

I like USB, but... (3)

srvivn21 (410280) | about 13 years ago | (#2253467)

USB2 is FINNALY catching up to IEEE 1394 (firewire [http] , iLink [sony.com] , whatever) in terms of speed. Have you heard of 1394b [1394ta.org] ? Coming to devices near you starting at 800mbps, ramping up to over 3.2gbps by 2003.

Ain't technology grand?

Re:I like USB, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253563)

Repeat after me: USB is not meant to compete with "FireWire". It is meant to be a replacement providing plug-and-play for serial, parallel, and PS/2 devices.

Suggestion for a use of this (0)

JohnHegarty (453016) | about 13 years ago | (#2253472)

At this type of speed, you would have a server computer (with hard driver), connected to clients (no hard drive).... 480mb is more than enough speed to run most programs....

how many computers could you support on such a system ?

USB was designed by Intel to waste cpu power (2, Interesting)

lupine (100665) | about 13 years ago | (#2253501)

USB is a low cost I/O interface that relys on the cpu. Intel wanted a standard that was cheap and would promote cpu sales. As devices are added processing goes up and available cycles goes down. Other I/O interfaces like scsi utilize a seperate processor to allow the cpu to perform more important tasks.

I like usb, its fairly fast and cheap but intel has its own reasons for pushing the standard.

USB2 is not meant to replace 1394 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253573)

USB2 is not JUST Intel. The USB2 standard is a consortium of OEMs such as Compaq, HP, Lucent, NEC, Philips in addition to Intel.

I think that /.'s are just keen on Intel bashing.

usb 2 isn't the second coming (1)

kilgore_47 (262118) | about 13 years ago | (#2253507)

First: It's Cool that linux has support for a buzzword before windoze.

That being said, usb2 is just Intel wishing they had gotten on the firewire bandwagon early on. It's on 80mbps faster than FireWire, and doesn't have any serious advantages. FireWire is here for a while, and when it is replaced it will be by something a lot faster than usb2.

But thats just my opinion, I could be wrong. ;-)

USB 2.0 problems (4, Interesting)

Auckerman (223266) | about 13 years ago | (#2253528)

1. Firewire is ALREADY ubquitious and plans to move it to your TV already in place.


2. The moment you put a mouse (or anyother low speed device) on that USB 2.0 port you loose the 480MB/sec max throughput.


3. Microsoft supports Firewire instead of USB 2 [zdnet.com]


4. Firewire is looking to move to 800MB/sec in the near future.

firewire first (1)

2ms (232331) | about 13 years ago | (#2253529)

Will someone explain to me why anyone should be excited about USB 2.0 when we already have Firewire? Look how long it's taken to get decent support for Firewire. Let's get widespread Firewire first for christ's sake.

Will USB Become a Superstar? (2, Funny)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about 13 years ago | (#2253545)

Do you think that USB 2.0 stands a chance of winning [apple.com] an Emmy [emmys.tv] ?

Gosh I hope so! I want to visit the USB 2.0 star on Hollywood's "walk of fame"! Maybe it could replace one of the older, less visited dedications, like Ida Lupino or Jack Lord...

Jeremiah

The old Firewire vs. USB argument... (1)

unconfused1 (173222) | about 13 years ago | (#2253547)

I applaud Linux developers for supporting USB2 before certain other companies.

There are two things to remember about USB2 as compared to Firewire though...

1. 480Mbits/sec is only a possible maximum. Ultimately your getting that speed depends largely on the topology that is employed.

2. Firewire packets have a time code. USB2 packets do not. That makes USB2 inappropriate for use as a dependable high-quality media conduit.

stop comparing mbit/sec so closely (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253555)

That's like comparing the clock frequency of a pentium 4 and an athlon to determine which one is faster. Its pointless.

USB uses bit stuffing in its signalling as part of its serial bus signal encoding so the effective bandwidth is always 6/7 of the total listed.

your car has 1000 in^3 of cylinder? that's nothing, mine as 2400 ml^3 so it must be better.

oranges are better than apples too!

One problem with that... (1)

BoarderPhreak (234086) | about 13 years ago | (#2253565)

It's nice that USB 2.0 is faster than FireWire and all, but show me one camcorder that has a USB port. ;)


I don't see FireWire getting replaced by USB 2.0 any time soon, if ever. What's the point? USB 2.0 is not THAT much faster to warrant retooling.


It will speed up scanners, cheap webcams and other such things though. As for your keyboard, well, if you can type THAT fast... Upgrade!

Facts? (1)

Penguinoflight (517245) | about 13 years ago | (#2253571)

Scince noone else seems to be posting facts, I will.
USB2 is backward compatible to USB1. Firewire isnt.
Firewire 2 is not 800Mbps, it's 3.2Gbps.

So, for the most part, USB2 will takeover the low-end high-band market, and Firewire2 will replace gigabit ethernet, and possibly SCSI.

USB 2.0 is pointless. (1)

Mr. Spleen (308231) | about 13 years ago | (#2253574)

As has been said many times already among these responses, there is no reason to use USB 2.0 when FireWire exists. Why would you want to use a technology that will, when it is released, be slightly faster than FireWire has been for over 2 years? FireWire is also much more versatile. FireWire devices can communicate with each other without a PC. And with 1394b coming out *very* soon, there is just no reason to switch from FireWire to USB 2.0.

Now if Intel wasn't pushing USB 2.0 as a replacement for FireWire, I would be all for it. I think it would be great if USB 2.0 replaced USB 1.1. Having digital still cameras with a 480MB connection will make downloading all those images really fast. However, billing USB 2.0 as a replacement for FireWire is just insane. There are already millions of camcorders with built in FireWire, and millions of PCs are shipping with it. FireWire has won the war and it hasn't even started.

Mr. Spleen

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