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New Russian Space Station 'Real Possibility'

Hemos posted about 13 years ago | from the mir-part-two dept.

Space 241

su-geek writes: "BBC is reporting that the Russians are looking into the feasibility of a commercial space station. The Station would be used to promote space tourism and would help pay for future supply missions to the ISS." I think they should get into the business of crashing space stations into the Pacific, and bringing tourists on boats to watch the fireworks.

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Russians are gay (-1)

I am a goat fucker (451772) | about 13 years ago | (#2253953)


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Like they have the money (1, Troll)

darthtuttle (448989) | about 13 years ago | (#2253956)

Hey barely have the money for what they are supposed to do for the ISS. I don't think the US would let them get away with it after all the financial problems they have caused us already. This is just politico's talking it up at best.

Re:Like they have the money (1)

Jester998 (156179) | about 13 years ago | (#2253977)

"This is just politico's talking it up at best."

Yeah, and at worst, they're like every other politician in the world and will go ahead with it anyway, even if the project sinks them even deeper in debt. We're talking about politicians, remember?

Re:Like they have the money (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253978)

They can do what they like, russias space shuttle clone is better any way.

Re:Like they have the money (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254003)

They will just print unbacked Rubbles. Hey they have done it before to pay for the military.

Re:Like they have the money (2, Interesting)

lonedfx (80583) | about 13 years ago | (#2254228)

>Hey barely have the money for what they are
>supposed to do for the ISS. I don't think the US
>would let them get away with it after all the
>financial problems they have caused us already

And what would the US do about it exactly ? Cancel russia's membership in ISS and dump russian modules ? yeah right :)

Let me think, what did they do again to try to prevent them from sending Tito to the ISS ?

Oh yeah, that's it... they used -political pressure-... that worked so well.

laughable.

lonedfx
--
go ahead, I deserve that troll moderation, come on!

The rumor going 'round is... (2, Funny)

Wakko Warner (324) | about 13 years ago | (#2253958)

...this one will be built of 60% duct tape and 40% bailing wire, instead of the 40/60 split Mir was made of.

- A.P.

Re:The rumor going 'round is... (2)

sharkey (16670) | about 13 years ago | (#2254123)

What, no chili sauce for industrial cleaning jobs? They've got a lot of catching up to do, to get to the same level as the ISS.

Re:The rumor going 'round is... (1)

mentin (202456) | about 13 years ago | (#2254243)

You moron.
Mir lasted on its orbit for 15 year. No wonder there were some failures during last couple of years, but do you have many stuff still working since 1986? Now imagine it operating in space conditions.
Mir deserves great respect and honor.

Re:The rumor going 'round is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254247)

So do posters.

You moron.

-Eric C. Blyderbandervunderkinst

Intelligent Commentary (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253959)

I think they should get into the business of crashing space stations into the Pacific, and bringing tourists on boats to watch the fireworks.

Thanks for the intelligent commentary Hemos. It really adds to the discussion.

Re:Intelligent Commentary (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253971)

That's the only interesting part of the whole story. Who gives a fucking shit about some russian's space station phantasies?

Stupid article blocker (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253964)

What the fuck? Nothing to see here? Maybe I should check Zdnet Cnn or Kuro5hin instead.

Re:Stupid article blocker (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253981)

You should check goatse.cx instead.

Re:Stupid article blocker (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254018)

You should check this [comp-u-geek.net] out instead

Re:Stupid article blocker (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254049)

Have you tried that link lately?

It had to happen eventually.. (2, Interesting)

Dallan (266899) | about 13 years ago | (#2253966)

This isn't actually that bad of a plan, assuming there are that many people willing to pay ~$20 mil to go orbital.

At least this way the tourists get shunted off somewhere they can't screw serious research up. And if people with way too much money for their own good want to spend it taking trips into space, why stop them?

It's Not Gonna Happen (1)

a.tomaka (447587) | about 13 years ago | (#2253973)

There is no way Russia can afford something of this magnitude in their current state...

Re:It's Not Gonna Happen (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254088)

Lots of exciting things can happen when you relinquish control of money to private citizens.

Re:It's Not Gonna Happen (2, Insightful)

lonedfx (80583) | about 13 years ago | (#2254255)

When Nasa called for design projects for the ISS, they got a few proposals, and they reduced the thing to basically two options: 1) building ISS at sea level, pack it up and ship it in 2 or 3 shuttles flights to deploy it, OR, 2) send it in kit using a hundred shuttle flights and build everything in orbit.

The scientific advisors gave their opinion, option 1 was MUCH easier to do and MUCH cheaper, for the same result.

BUT.

It didn't justify a space shuttle.

ISS (or more to the point, the way it is built) is solely a justification for the space shuttle. I have NO doubt that, if the russians were indeed going to make Mir2 (or whatever they call it), they would not make that kind of mistake precisely because they cannot afford it.

In 10 years, Mir2 might be operational, and ISS might still suffer from budget cuts.

Don't dismiss the idea just because they can't afford an ISS, that's like saying you cannot afford to buy a cesna because a boeing jumbojet costs so much.

lonedfx.

Troll filled (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253975)

Hey Slashdot, where is the troll filling?

You're all fucking next (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253980)

Subject: You're all fucking next

All you motherfuckers are gonna pay, You are the ones who are the ball-lickers. We're gonna fuck your mothers while you watch and cry like little bitches. Once we get to Hollywood and find those Miramax fucks who are making that movie, we're gonna make 'em at our shit, then shit out our shit, then eat their shit which is made up of our shit that we made 'em eat. Then you're all fucking next.

Love, Jay and Silent Bob

Crashing things. (1)

os2fan (254461) | about 13 years ago | (#2253983)

At least MIR stayed up there for a good amount of time, and showed us the possibilities.

Unfortunately, the end of the Cold War has hastened the demise of space exploration, probably because of the suits have overtaken the uniforms as the patron of the techie budget.

What the Americans and Soviets could once do, a whole league of nations now struggle to do.

{ahem}There was that User Friendly cartoon about "a new erosive force" on Mars{/ahem}

highly optimistic on the numbers.... (3, Interesting)

bbh (210459) | about 13 years ago | (#2253984)

Those numbers are highly speculative I would have to say. Energia is saying they can have it in orbit by 2004 at a cost of around 100 million dollars. If this was the case, instead of buying a trip on Mir (ended up being ISS) for 20 million I think Tito and a few friends simply would have bought there own space station in the sky. I remember Hilton Hotels were backing there own initiative to build there own hotel in space. Maybe these folks could get together and buy one together. Heres a link about Hilton Hotels discussing building a hotel in space [bbc.co.uk] .

All that said, when the opportunity presents itself, I'll be up there!

bbh

Please stop to pay troll (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253985)

Exact change only!

Nothing to see here . . . (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253990)

Nothing to see here except Slashdot GOING DOWN THE FUCKING DRAIN!


Use your fucking mind, Rob! What, you want only logged-in people to get first post? My god, you are an idiot.

NASA should fully support this... (2, Interesting)

moniker_21 (414164) | about 13 years ago | (#2253992)

seeing as how they don't seem to warmly welcome the idea of Russia bringing tourists onto the ISS every couple months. If Russia can build a commercial space station to cater to those who want to buy their way into space, it aleviates NASA from having to deal with the issue of tourists on the ISS. Like the article said, the ISS is for science, the new space station will be for vacationers.

Re:NASA should fully support this... (2, Insightful)

bogasity (517035) | about 13 years ago | (#2254127)

NASA is not going to like this. It sounds like the plan is to rotate the ISS crew rescue Soyuz capsule through the commercial space station for a couple weeks before sending both it and its crew on to the ISS. The crew would then fly the "old" Soyuz to the ground. If this is the case, the ISS is essentially subsidizing this commercial venture at the cost of knocking two weeks of life off of each Soyuz rescue vehicle at the ISS (they are only good for 6 months). Secondly, the ISS still gets the unwanted visitors during at the Soyuz switchover, which is all that Dennis Tito was there for. Thirdly, NASA may feel that the Russians do not have adequate Soyuz production capacity to support the ISS let alone this venture. If the ISS Crew Rescue Vehicle gets the axe (as is the plan under the Administration's budget), then a 6-person crew on the ISS will require 2 Soyuz capsules for escape - doubling the number currently required. I hope that a commercial manned space venture of some type does succeed to break the governmental monopoly, but NASA and the other ISS partners are not going to be happy about this deal.

maybe the will (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2253993)

Actully make money out of it. Hey no stupider than forming a linux distribution company.

Commercial Space Stations (2)

YIAAL (129110) | about 13 years ago | (#2253994)

Space tourism is clearly ready to become real. But I wonder if something a little less ambitious -- like, say, suborbital flights -- might not be a better place to start. And these "space hotel" stories have a history of being vapor.

On the other hand, the ISS is so screwed up, it's hard to believe that someone couldn't do better.

As it should be! (4, Insightful)

Mr. Flibble (12943) | about 13 years ago | (#2253996)

The sad thing about space travel is that it is currently being used for science. Don't mistake me here though - I happen to think that science is the best possible use for space programs, if anything there is not enough money to go around for scientific research in any field.

Currently, the only real "business" in putting things into space is in military hardware and communications satelites. If "big business" gets involved in space tourism, (and here is the key!) and space tourism becomes profitable, more advancements into space travel will be achived. It is ironic really, that profit will create a drive for better space accesability than research does.

The more trips that there are into space, the more the process will become streamlined - and the greater the economic drive to make it less expensive to get people into space.

And finally, just like the article mentions - space tourists coule cover much of the cost of space missions. This would allow for more research to take place in space.

All in all. It is about time.

Now if we were only able to put nuclear powered spaceships in space (such as the "Orion" design mentioned by Carl Sagan in Cosmos) and have craft capable of 1/10 the speed of light.

Perhaps someday.

Stop (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254001)

Stop Crappy Thread NOW.
P.S. - Thank you, Hemos, for your insightful comment, dipshit.

Stephen King, author, dead at 54 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254006)


I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

Anonymous Coward, fag, dead at 92 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254071)

I just heard some sad news on slashdot - Anonymous Coward's penis was found dead in his boyfriend's ass this morning. I'm sure we'll all miss him - even if you didn't suck his dick, you've probably enjoyed it up your ass. Truly an american faggot.

Re:Anonymous Coward, fag, dead at 92 (-1)

Megafucker.com (318901) | about 13 years ago | (#2254221)

I thought he was french?

I'm amazed. (3, Insightful)

piecewise (169377) | about 13 years ago | (#2254007)

I'm amazed that a country with NO money continually spends their debt on failing space programs, whereas a country with a high level of affluence and world influence shows continuing dis-interest in what its very own citizens realize as important, if not somewhat boring these days.

Father: "I grew up in the space age."
Son: "You mean that use to be a big thing? Ohhh..."

Russia SHOULD rather be focusing on rebuilding their ruined country. A place where doctors are paid in trade by the government (salt, cow dung, whatever -- and no i'm not kidding). A place with an unstable government and a weak military. What is in space that they are after, exactly?

Meanwhile, America should of course be embracing space more, but we're barely willing to increase NASA's budget beyond annual inflation.

On the other hand, it looks like we won't even be able to afford a valuable education bill without dipping heavily into social security, so maybe space can wait.

Re:I'm amazed. (0)

gtaluvit (218726) | about 13 years ago | (#2254172)

It's a simple thing really. Russia wants a space program but they have no money. They could get money and equipments from, and here's the key point, COMMUNIST CHINA. Of course, the US doesn't want Russia going back to communism or making allies with China whose economy isn't all that stable now adays so we dump money into the Russian space program so that they don't get money from China. Foreign policy at its best.

Re:I'm amazed. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254259)

Russia SHOULD rather be focusing on rebuilding their ruined country.

Well wait a minute - maybe if they develop a lucrative commercial space program, they'll finally have the money to do just that.

A modest proposal (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254015)

I have two scientific proposals, one basically low-tech, and one involving cutting edge technology. They have little in common except that each, if implemented, might be construed as social engineering - dangerous when done by politicians or sociologists, but perhaps of value when performed by the scientific/intellectual elite. I'll cover the low tech proposal first.

To begin, we need to find a small group (20 - 30) of low income (white trailer trash would do nicely) expecting mothers who are (a) quite attractive and show past performance of producing attractive children and (b) would be willing, for a modest fee, to surrender their female child for the furtherance of science. Next, take these newborn infants away from their birth mothers and insure that they are fed formula only from "bottles" shaped like the adult human penis. As the children develop into the crawling stage, "penis feeders" would be mounted to the walls of their cages. Of course the formula would change to meet their developing nutritional needs, but no human contact, language development or socialization would be allowed. At an appropriate point, air bladders in their "penis feeders" would inflate to simulate erection, so that the children learn that a period of sucking is required before they are rewarded with food. No other source of food is allowed. At about 5 -6 years of age the girls would be taught to defecate in one corner of their cage, and at about 10 - 12 years of age would be slowly introduced to their human handlers, but again, no language or socialization skills are taught. At about 13 - 14 years of age the really interesting part of the experiment begins : the girls are lead on a leash out of their cage for "private feedings" with select staff members. These men take careful notes comparing the fellatio skills of the test subjects to a control adult female group (probably prostitutes). If the young girls' skills compare favorably, then they could be shipped to government research laboratories and housed in cages identical to the ones they were raised in. "Private feedings" would be used as a performance incentive for the best programmers, nuclear scientists, geneticists, engineers, etc. Such an incentive program might be just what's needed to restore the prestige of the scientific professions in this country and to lessen the flow of students into socially useless professions like law, sociology, and business administration. If nothing else, from a purely scientific point of view, I think it would be interesting to see whether the experiment could yield "fellatio superwomen."
The second proposal is much broader in scope, and its feasibility depends, in part, on the successful completion of the Human Genome Project. The idea in a nutshell is this: All pregnant women would be required to report before the 3rd month of pregnancy to a public health clinic where an in utero examination of the fetus' genetic material is conducted. Any red flags raised by the test (likelihood of fatal disease, likelihood of mental retardation, etc) would mean destruction of the fetus. This would also be the perfect time to cross match the mother with information from previous IQ tests, criminal justice system files, demographic data, etc. Gradually, as not to arouse suspicions, mothers with low IQ scores , criminal histories, or even just the wrong demographics would be presented with bogus test results indicating that their fetus must be destroyed. This could only have a beneficial effect on society, with minimal inconvenience to the population. And last but not least, this would also be a logical point to implement population control, the one topic our spineless shit politicians won't face.
Oh well, more about that later.

Re:A modest proposal,What about tooth extraction?! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254100)

That would be a modest proposal but the dentition would need to be corrected.

As primary and secondary teeth emerge the "penis feeders" should have them all extracted while euthenized.

This continual state of partial dentition during childhood, and full edentulous state of toothlessness in puberty would vertainly have many benefits to outweigh minor costs.

The effects are everlasting and should bring more pleasure.

Certainly people may choose teeth over "no teeth" sucklers but I predict moth would be converted into toothless feeders as society favors dictate.

The food is liquid... no teeth needed.

The teeth are dangerous... being toothless is a safety measure.

Teeth aid in speech and hearing, but these spermophilaic sexual pets will not be conversing. In fact "debarking" (aka debitching) could be performed on each by snipping vocal cords.

If the jaw muscles prove too dangerous, even in a state of anodontia, a common vet surgery whereby severing the majority of the nerves interfacing with the jaw muscle can be performed in less than 6 minutes with minor discomfort.

The much weakened semi-bite would be welcome, but the jaw would still be able to close fully to properly suckle and lick.

100% pure troll (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254023)

Yeah use troll yeah the trolls are out in force yeah.

Newsflash. (3, Funny)

Mr_Icon (124425) | about 13 years ago | (#2254026)

Newsflash: intriguing new results of a survey indicate that /. audience is not at all uniformly white, protestant, and american, as it was being envisioned by the editors.

"It was a real eye-opener," says Hemos, one of the members of the editing staff, "to realize that some of my dumber comments can be perceived as offensive in some other parts of the world."

"Of course," he added after a bit of thought. "Not like we care about those unwashed filthy pigs in their silly little countries, anyway."

All the hackers are crackers (-1, Flamebait)

Shoeboy (16224) | about 13 years ago | (#2254058)

Haven't you noticed? With the notable exception of the brilliant and likeable Miguel de Icaza [www.fatchicksinpartyhats] , ESR, RMS, JWZ, Linus, Theo and the rest are all crackers. You know, honkys, peckerwoods, anglos.

Of course no one in the open source community notices this, they're all too busy congratulating each other on their "tolerance."

Your friend,
--Shoeboy

Re:All the hackers are crackers (1, Offtopic)

sharkey (16670) | about 13 years ago | (#2254098)

You know, honkys

Shouldn't that be "honky muh-fuhs"?

crackers??? (-1)

Megafucker.com (318901) | about 13 years ago | (#2254211)

saltines?

naw... you know what "crack" we're talkin' about... your favorite kind, the kind you love to stick in your pipe... the kind you love to give to your whore... yeah, that's the stuff.

crack

Re:Newsflash. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254082)

Newsflash: intriguing new results of a survey indicate that /. audience is not at all uniformly white, protestant, and american, as it was being envisioned by the editors.

This would deserve the mod-up if you weren't an American WASP yourself. Since you are its just pseudointellectualism posing as an informed global awareness.

You've probably never traveled outside of North America.

Re:Newsflash. (1)

Mr_Icon (124425) | about 13 years ago | (#2254091)

I would usually ignore you, but I found your note humorous, since it's completely wrong. ;)

Re:Newsflash. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254133)

mexico is in North America.

This is at 3 right now. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254083)

Watch hemos kill it in a little while even though it is up to 3.

Re:This is at 3 right now. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254156)

Ahh is that hemos or taco moding this down from 3 right on schedule

Re:Newsflash. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254116)

Insightful?

Well, the average IQ of slashdot is gettign smaller and smaller. Soon people here will be having trouble breathing.

I'm confused... (0, Offtopic)

JeremyYoung (226040) | about 13 years ago | (#2254131)

how is this on-topic?

Re:Newsflash. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254152)

awww...your feelings hurt?

pollution (0)

mackermacker (250587) | about 13 years ago | (#2254027)

Eventually many people see the price of air space travel lowering to a point where it will be feasable for not just the filthy rich. If they can fly 3 people to the station up to 20 times a day, what impact will this have on pollution?
We have riots with the WTO over countries that cause all the pollution but reap in the profits. I cant see the *other countries of the world standing for this, unless their part of the action as well...
Considering all the attention the concord jet has attracted, I really dont see this happening anytime soon.. The concord is known as a gas guzzling pollution machine, not too mention the sonic booms...

30th post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254031)

Or somewhere in that area. Yeah keep troll power alive on Slashdot.

SAFTEY (1)

mlknowle (175506) | about 13 years ago | (#2254035)

One thing that I havn't seen mentioned recently in regards to the idea of space tourism is saftey. Obviously, there is inherent danger in shooting oneself into space, but how long will it be before the FAA is the FASA (Federal Air and Space Administration)?

Re:SAFTEY (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254065)

Have you ever seen a russian airline jet? Travelling with those is every bit as dangerous as going into space.

Hey mods (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254040)

Hey you fucking mods. Yeah you! Interested in this post. Or maybe a post with some cool ASCII art huh? What? You coming around to do some moding soon? What?

way to go (1)

matrix0040 (516176) | about 13 years ago | (#2254042)

USA should be doing this. this could be a big business. the plan looks pretty feasible (not sure of the numbers though) but there are many ppl out there who're ready to pay huge amounts of money for a visit to the stars.
Instead of depending on the govt for grants, NASA should also start a commercial wing to cater to space tourists and use the profits for further exploration. This way they won't have to stall or cancel their projects just cuz the govt doesn't like it or doesn't want to fund it.

I want it to happen... (2)

Midnight Ryder (116189) | about 13 years ago | (#2254045)

Ya know, lots of people will say (and are saying here already ;-) that Russia can't afford it. Well, they are probably right.


But, damnit - I wanna see it happen! I want to see tourism in space, I want to see commerical enterprises get a chance to really have some room to try and make use of a space station. Movies made in space, what have you. I want to see it ALL happen.


Why? Because if one group - ANY GROUP - shows that it's possible to make a profit putting people up in space either through tourism or what have you, it's going to open up so many doors*. I'd love to see VC's getting as excited over space travel and space stations as they did DotComs. Granted, the stakes are probably a bit higher, and not as many VC's will be able to afford the investment. But if it gets started, there will be those who innovate, and find better ways of getting from 'here' to 'there'. The leap to things like colonizing the moon (yuck - not THAT attractive, but kinda cool) becomes a lot shorter.



(* - Yes, I know. Even if they put something up there doesn't mean it's going to be profitable. But if Russia can dream of putting up a station and mostly supporting it on tourism and such, well, I can dream of the idea of it actually being PROFITABLE :-)

I share your desire. (1)

JeremyYoung (226040) | about 13 years ago | (#2254166)

Frankly I think Russia might just be able to afford this one. They're keeping the design very simple. The picture shown on spacedaily.com shows one module that's smaller than the ISS Svezda (zvezda?) service module (not the FGB).

I think making movies in space is overrated. Movie sets require actual open space to film, and staff on hand. For Ministation 1 we're talking three people max, at least one of which has to be a Soyuz pilot, a max of 20 days, and habitable volume comparible to a minivan. That just doesn't sound realistic for making movies to me.

But space tourism, fuck yeah I'd go. Hell, I want to do it badly enough to try out what that guy in oregon is doing. [space.com] Don't laugh at me, I was born and raised in Oregon, so maybe it's the air and greenery that implants insane desires.

Editor comments. (0, Offtopic)

Arjuna Theban (143564) | about 13 years ago | (#2254048)


Do you editors have any idea how much better Slashdot would be without your fucking smartass comments at the end every goddamn story?

Re:Editor comments. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254168)

Then why don't you express your freedom of choice and stop forcing yourself from reading this *aweful* material?

The new anti AC slashcode changes create BACKLASH (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254050)

The new anti AC slashcode changes create BACKLASH and 500% more low-brow trolling and wanton posts.

First of all, I wish the SlashDotters in charge would get a fucking clue: first posting is not trolling.

Second, it presumes that every AC posting early will be offtopic and trying to get the first post. Third, it doesn't just prevent ACs from posting, it prevents them from reading the text of the article. And as for the post, it's offtopic, but isn't it kind of odd how quickly things get modded down to -1 offtopic? Seems like auto deprecating code for ac posts.

Now unless you are logged into an account you cannot see the or post to the comments on a story until at least 5 comments are posted.

These lame schemes to generate more and more accounts so you can get more advertising money are pathetic.

I treasure anonymous posts and like to read them all. Some o the best whistleblowing "bombshell" industry posts that skyrocketted straight to "5" start out as lowly AC +0 posts.

Slashdot is a almost dead from these stupid changes that create MORE TROLLING.

Do you agree?

troll my ass, crybaby (-1)

Megafucker.com (318901) | about 13 years ago | (#2254194)

fucking wah, wah, wah... go cry to your mommy.

do us all a favor, kill yourself now.

thanks.

Bah To All. (0)

ruszka (456169) | about 13 years ago | (#2254051)

Why all the negativity about this? So what if they're considering it.. At least SOMEONE is considering SOMETHING. We may not have mastered all there is about going into space, even if it's not far out from our own atmosphere, but at least a group of people is giving thought to this. I do not care if they've only considered it purely for greedy financial reasons or what not, but this is something good. It's been many people's dreams to go out into space, and really, it's their own choice to make that risk (again we haven't mastered everything) So accept that Russia may create a commercial space station, fulfilling the dreams of many, and also raising money to possibly -advance- in the 'space' discovery. I think it's great that someone's finally come forth and expressed their ideas and possibly plans for something that could be wonderful and even educational to many.

Planned Hotel in Space (4, Informative)

dragons_flight (515217) | about 13 years ago | (#2254054)

I tried submitting information on just this issue several hours ago and it got rejected. Anyway here's the scoop I had.

MirCorp [mirstation.com] , despite the ditching of their namesake, is still in the business of space tourism. They have proposed a new space station [mirstation.com] dubbed "Mini Station 1", which would house 3 space tourists for upto 20 days at a time. They hope to make a commercial venture of it through corporate endorsements and giving clients with ultra deep pockets an out of this world vacation. This news story [yahoo.com] gives additional response from the Russian Space Agency and the spacecraft builder Energia.

Free Tacos? maybe next time. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254059)

I think they should get into the business of crashing space stations into the Pacific


But next time Taco Bell should use a 400x400 MILE target instead of 40x40 foot.


Re:Free Tacos? maybe next time. (3, Troll)

geomcbay (263540) | about 13 years ago | (#2254199)


But next time Taco Bell should use a 400x400 MILE target instead of 40x40 foot.


It would also be cool if the target were housing as many Chihuahuas as they could fit on it.

this babe won't fly (1)

standards (461431) | about 13 years ago | (#2254060)

This is all about some yahoos in Russia looking to get their hands on a pot of money - not money from "space tourists", but contracts to build such a space station.

Of course, $100 million can't build a space station. But lots of people would love to get their hands on a percentage of $100 million.

Therefore, the Russian advocates. But let's be real - except through gross mismanagement, this will never ever happen. It could only happen in the US, where corporate interests dictate government spending. Of course there is no need for such a project in the US - the government hands out thousands of $100 million contracts to "defense contractors" every year.

It all comes togethor... (4, Interesting)

Bitsy Boffin (110334) | about 13 years ago | (#2254063)

This fits with the speculation that the Buran [k26.com] fleet of shuttles (actually only the first of the Russian shuttles is named Buran, but it has become the defacto name for the fleet) will soon be de-mothballed and brought into service [space.com] (at least numbers 1 and probably 2, the rest are incomplete). The AN225 is now back flying in active service, this is the largest flying aircraft currently, and was designed specifically for transport of the Buran.

The runway at Baikonur has just been refurbished, this is the runway that was built specifically for the Buran and AN225.

Reportadly Buran is virtually ready to fly with very little work, strap on an Energia and boosters roll her out to the pad and jump on in.

I say, sell sex in space! (2, Interesting)

BierGuzzl (92635) | about 13 years ago | (#2254066)

Sex and technology just plain go together. Videos, Cdrom's, DVD's, and the internet itself have all had their substantial infusion of cash flow from the porn market. And when people get bored with the idea of having sex in 0 g's we can start promoting sex on the moon -- acrobatic sex with only a fraction of the earth's gravity.

LAME (-1)

GaylordFucker (465080) | about 13 years ago | (#2254264)

dude, that's gay

sex is for fags

A space station that can launch missiles... (1)

blackholebrain (90909) | about 13 years ago | (#2254069)

Now that would be something interesting. And even given Russia's economically dim future, it's the one *ridiculous* thing that could actually happen.

Hey, if you think Russia can't get the money to do stuff like that anymore, you are mistaken.

There's an endless supply of rouge entities more than wealthy enough, and certainly willing enough, to purchase every old and dusty Russian rocket or jet [or warhead] that Putin decides is expendable.

Russia doesn't want or need another MIR. But considering the flippant way in which Dubya keeps yapping about missile defense systems, abolishing the START treaty, and testing nukes again [etc.] -- I'm sure Putin would love watching Dubya's reaction to such an announcement on CNN:

[Dubya scratching head] "Hell, I guess they need another one, right? That other one --the uh, MIRROR orbital-- didn't even come close to hitting the Taco Bell thing floating out in the Atlanta Ocean! [haha]"

Re:A space station that can launch missiles... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254096)

rouge entities

China?

Re:A space station that can launch missiles... (1)

blackholebrain (90909) | about 13 years ago | (#2254099)

heh... that's dubyonic for "rogue"

My sick mind ... (1)

Enonu (129798) | about 13 years ago | (#2254072)

Did anybody else read "on boats" as "on board" the first time? I was starting to think Hemos was a little sick in the head when I realized it was myself. To much IRC has tained my thought process I guess.

Re:My sick mind ... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254090)

Every story there's someone who confesses to not being able to read ...
/. news for illiterates, stuff you don't understand

Slashdot has just sucked so bad lately (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254078)

Ever since the new Slashcode things have just gotten so much worse. Lots more trolls and posts being punts for some damn filter or another. Slashdot is really in the shit-pot now. Kinda reflects what has happened to VA Linux Systems now VA Linux "don't got" systems.

Wait a minute (1)

CptnKirk (109622) | about 13 years ago | (#2254103)

I think they should get into the business of crashing space stations into the Pacific, and bringing tourists on boats to watch the fireworks.

Didn't their last station stay up longer than ours? And weren't they able to make some money off of it? Geez, NASA should be happy to have such a track record.

Re:Wait a minute (-1)

Trollificus (253741) | about 13 years ago | (#2254256)

And I'll bet the Russians had a good chuckle about the fact that Nasa couldn't even get their metric conversions right and ended up losing a someodd-billion dollar lander as a result.
I know I was on the floor when I heard that one.

Don't be so cocky... (2, Interesting)

PsychoKick (97013) | about 13 years ago | (#2254109)

The Russians have forgotten more about practical long-term space travel than NASA ever knew. Considering all the factors working against it, Mir was a huge resounding success for remaining functional so long past its original design specs. If NASA is truly dedicated to being "faster, cheaper, better", then they would do well to study and learn as much as possible from Russians designs and techniques.

Re:Don't be so cocky... (4, Funny)

Col. Klink (retired) (11632) | about 13 years ago | (#2254143)

Reminds me of the story of the "space pen". At the dawn of the space age, astronauts needed the ability to write in zero gravity environments. The trouble is that the ball point pen needs gravity to work. NASA spent a million bucks (in the 1960s, when that was still a lot) developing the "space pen" which can write in space (or upside down back here on Earth).

Facing the same problem, the Soviets used pencils.

Spacedaily has a little more detail on this. (1)

JeremyYoung (226040) | about 13 years ago | (#2254120)

SpaceDaily's story [spacedaily.com]

They explain some of the logistics, such as making the commercial station a stopover point for soyuz taxi flights to the ISS to save launch costs.

MIR was a success, not like Skylab (2, Insightful)

Uatu (316549) | about 13 years ago | (#2254122)

"I think they should get into the business of crashing space stations into the Pacific, and bringing tourists on boats to watch the fireworks."

If you're talking about the MIR station, let me tell you it excedeed it's time of service, and the last thing I heard, it outlasted the Skylab, now that's a failure.

Stop adding this kind of "humor" to the articles, it demeans the audience as stupid in history. At least I hope there are not many who thinks about MIR like you...

----
On the other hand, I hope this news is not true, the people of Russia has more pressing things to worry about. But if they want, they can pull it off, I'm sure of it.

Re:MIR was a success, not like Skylab (2, Redundant)

geomcbay (263540) | about 13 years ago | (#2254212)

Right on.


Every time Mir is mentioned on Slashdot there's approximately 1 gajillion posts that attempt humor by mentioning the problems Mir had later in life.


These jokes might be funny but for the fact that, as you mentioned, Mir outlived its original time of service by about a decade and in that time became one of the most highly successful space projects of all time.

access rights (1)

blugecko (152079) | about 13 years ago | (#2254134)

are they going to not let americans on or only when supervised? I think it is childish to think that we can't just get along with Russia.....

That's a tasteless comment! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254135)

That's a tasteless comment!

Jesus, the insecurity and hostility... (1)

rodgerd (402) | about 13 years ago | (#2254137)

...is breathtaking to watch. All the little slash-weenies lining up to attack the idea. How dare those damn Russians do anything that isn't being done in the United States! Somebody should stop them in case they're better at it than we are!



It's a pretty revolting spectacle, really.

Lets keep It real (1)

lostindenver (53192) | about 13 years ago | (#2254158)

I think that maybe starting off a little bit Slower is a more sustainable plan. Unfortunatly alot of the people in my generation look to the generation before us As the ones that were the ultimate in selfish... "there parents gave them the moon, and they didn't care". Few people realize hoe much the space program has benifited us. How many times do we watch the news and wonder "GEE how can they forcast the weather like that", Or use our GPS units and wonder WOW how did that happen?.... I think that having a space station is great But lets show BIG corp's that there IS MONEY in space (if nothing more than /.'s running fron katz) And make it sustainable. A GREAT fiction novel was written about this possibility. http://www.panix.com/~dgh/Flynn_FIRESTAR.html

Rotate (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254170)

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wHAT IF I TYPE IN ALL CAPS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254180)

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Unfairly harsh comment (1)

cathryn (133574) | about 13 years ago | (#2254188)

QUOTE>>I think they should get into the business
crashing space stations into the Pacific, and bringing tourists on boats to watch the fireworks.

If space is ever to be a real business, rather than a gold-plated, national vanity project, the craft are going to have to be built cheaply, and last a long time. And, to ME, all the MIR experience of trying to keep an old craft in the air, with repairs, and fungus and all that will be invaluable in the future. That is to avoid new stations with the same problems, and to develop a sense of how to deal with these problems.

I say, the Russians should go for it. This is a big project and expensive and ambitions, but I think it might be just what they need -- to get a little sense of national pride back. And, it's a way to build some national pride, without building bombs and armys. It is just what they need.

please help, i use windows on mir and it crash.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254189)

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Re:please help, i use windows on mir and it crash. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254257)

user 999dkmmqkdjjakl,dm is taken? whatever. anyway, what is up with this:

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Re:please help, i use windows on mir and it crash. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2254263)

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It almost makes a kind of wierd sense. (1)

dinotrac (18304) | about 13 years ago | (#2254193)

I started out with a good laugh, but finished by scratching my head and wondering if they really could do this.

The Russians are cash-strapped and they have always been short of certain technologies, like up-to-date computers. They are, however, masters at cost-effective space programs and re-using hardware for different purposes. Think of the Progress cargo ship, which is little more than a re-arranged Soyuz.

Big-dollar NASA could never pull something like this off. Years of "making do" might enable the Russians to succeed.

"Clever" comments (2, Insightful)

Legion303 (97901) | about 13 years ago | (#2254229)

I think they should get into the business of crashing space stations into the Pacific, and bringing tourists on boats to watch the fireworks.

Hemos, do yourself a favor and stop adding pithy comments to stories when you obviously have no clue what the fuck you're talking about. It's embarassing to everyone who does.

Many others have pointed out that MIR has outlived everything we put up so far. Please keep ignorance to yourself and keep this a pure news site, OK? Thanks.

-Legion

Not a middle-class family activity (1)

Veras'Tor (517435) | about 13 years ago | (#2254238)

This is decidedly not your middle-class family's average day trip. I'm thinking more along the lines of wealthy, old retirees, who feel the need to spend millions on space tourism. Perhaps this would be a better idea after designing cheaper space travel.

Isn't it Ironic (1)

Comrade Pikachu (467844) | about 13 years ago | (#2254258)

In the former Soviet Union, access to space is for sale to anyone who can cough up enough cash. Meanwhile in the capitalist stonghold of the USA, space is restricted to an elite corps of individuals deemed "worthy" by the government.

Of course, congressmen like John Glenn can hitch a ride whenever they like. It makes for great footage on CNN. The Proles just eat that stuff up.
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