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NYPD's Twitter Campaign Backfires

samzenpus posted about 3 months ago | from the hug-a-cop dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "A NYPD community outreach campaign designed to show images of citizens with cops turned ugly quickly when a deluge of images depicting police brutality came in. From the article: 'The responses soon turned ugly when Occupy Wall Street tweeted a photograph of cops battling protesters with the caption "changing hearts and minds one baton at a time." Other photos included an elderly man bloodied after being arrested for jaywalking.' Police Commissioner Bill Bratton says, 'I kind of welcome the attention,' of the #myNYPD project."

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173 comments

At least it wasn't goatse (5, Funny)

mythosaz (572040) | about 3 months ago | (#46828999)

...well, there were batons.

Re:At least it wasn't goatse (5, Informative)

kdawson (3715) (1344097) | about 3 months ago | (#46829063)

4 those not understanding, hear's the concept [goatse.fr] of goatse.

Re:At least it wasn't goatse (5, Funny)

Lord Kano (13027) | about 3 months ago | (#46829449)

This might be the first time in the history of the internet that a goatse link was actually informative.

LK

Re:At least it wasn't goatse (4, Informative)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 3 months ago | (#46829527)

...well, there were batons.

Justin Volpe, formerly of the NYPD, already has that one covered. So egregiously that he even went to jail, in an atypical twist.

Re:At least it wasn't goatse (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46830301)

Yeah, but it was police batons, it's just wooden sticks to compensate because they don't have the real thing.

I kind of welcome the attention (5, Insightful)

wiredlogic (135348) | about 3 months ago | (#46829021)

Well now we know of one more sociopath who is gainfully employed.

Re:I kind of welcome the attention (5, Insightful)

NoKaOi (1415755) | about 3 months ago | (#46829059)

He also said:

The photos are "old news," Bratton said. "They’ve been out there for a long time."

Well, Commissioner Bratton, since these photos are old news and you are welcoming the attention they are getting, I'm sure you'd be happy to share with us what sort of investigation into these incidents there were and what punishment the officers received?

Re:I kind of welcome the attention (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46829223)

He also said:

The photos are "old news," Bratton said. "They’ve been out there for a long time."

Well, Commissioner Bratton, since these photos are old news and you are welcoming the attention they are getting, I'm sure you'd be happy to share with us what sort of investigation into these incidents there were and what punishment the officers received?

There was and will be none, because at least 70-80% of the population of NY was cheering the police on when they busted up OWS, and seeing those images again probably makes them happy.

Re:I kind of welcome the attention (2, Interesting)

knightghost (861069) | about 3 months ago | (#46829329)

There was and will be none, because at least 70-80% of the population of NY was cheering the police on when they busted up OWS, and seeing those images again probably makes them happy.

Nooo... because 99% of those images lack context of a situation where force was justified. Do some ride-alongs with cops and see the entire story.

Re:I kind of welcome the attention (5, Funny)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 3 months ago | (#46829471)

Do some ride-alongs with cops and see the entire story.

A few friends of mine have. They said these new patrol cars have very little legroom, and that's it's very hard to sit comfortably with their hands tied behind their back.

Re:I kind of welcome the attention (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46829569)

Exactly. Like when Kelly Thompson was beaten to death by police. There was full video of the whole incident showing that 1) the police had no reason to bother him, other than the fact that he was homeless, 2) he was not resisting arrest or refusing orders, and 3) even when they clearly had him detained, they continued to taz, kick, punch, etc..

Now that all seems rather damning, except you weren't there on the ride with the police! One of them had a bad day earlier, so that makes it acceptable to beat people to death. At least, the judge seemed to think so.

willfully ignorant (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46829729)

So you intend to remain willfully ignorant even though someone has offered the suggestion that you walk a mile in another's shoes?

Re:willfully ignorant (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46830047)

No, but you apparently intend to remain willfully ignorant of the whole point of what I was saying. Maybe you should start by taking a look at the case I mentioned?

Police corruption is a real thing. Even when there is incredibly strong evidence, detailing everything that happened, police still band together and cover each other when they fuck up. Sometimes, the result is that they get away with a minor offense such as a traffic violation, and other times it directly results in the death of another person. If you honestly think it is acceptable for police to behave in that sort of fashion, then there's something wrong with you.

Re:willfully ignorant (1, Insightful)

jcr (53032) | about 3 months ago | (#46830063)

willfully ignorant

He's obviously far better informed than you are.

-jcr

Re:I kind of welcome the attention (5, Insightful)

AK Marc (707885) | about 3 months ago | (#46830211)

I have done ride alongs. The police assume everyone is a criminal. There are only two types of people. Cops and criminals. We never played "cops and innocent bystanders" as kids. We are trained that there are two sides. Long gone are the beat cops that proactively prevented crime by building relationships with the neighborhood. The cops swoop in arrest everyone, and let the lawyers sort it out. Cops that want to rise will work on beating out confessions to protect conviction rates. After all, if you are talking to a cop, you are a criminal, they just might not have proven it yet.

No, a ride along doesn't give justification as to why the armed cop is beating the unarmed person. The number one reason people are beat is "contempt of cop". If you don't follow orders fast enough, you are resisting. If you are resisting arrest, they can beat you. That's how it's done.

Re:I kind of welcome the attention (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46831197)

They're not long gone. They're not common in the densest, toughest urban neighborhoods. But the campus police at my local university are the nicest cops I ever met: I teach them CPR, they really are out there to protect and serve, and they're shining examples of how a cop can *defuse* a tense situation with calmness and authority. I only know of one person they handled violently, and that was a semi-suicidal doped out kid who got a baton used against his knife wielding limb to disarm hims as quickly as possible.

Re:I kind of welcome the attention (1)

Antique Geekmeister (740220) | about 3 months ago | (#46831233)

There are good cops, like this officer, on a video titled "I Love This Cop, Best Open Carry Stop Ever":

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

Re:I kind of welcome the attention (1)

ultranova (717540) | about 2 months ago | (#46831299)

There are good cops and there are bad cops. The question is, is the law enforcement system itself good or bad? With all the plea bargaining, "anonymous tips" justifying searches, and even outright forging of evidence, it would seem that the system itself is corrupt.

The people in the US and Nazi Germany were the same, some good, some not so; but the systems they lived in were vastly different, and that mattered more for the overall outcome than individual preferences. Or think of a stock market, or even individual stock: blibs matter less than the general trend.

Re:I kind of welcome the attention (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46829445)

We will not rest until the criminals responsible for taking these pictures are put behind bars. Meanwhile, we have taken measures to prevent such incidents from happening in the future. All officers are required to check suspects for cameras before administering beatings on other suspects. Now stop yelling so much, I've only been tazering you for five minutes... That's it, your yelling is hurting my ears and now you've got an assault charge as well.

- Commissioner Bratton

Re:I kind of welcome the attention (4, Funny)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about 3 months ago | (#46829563)

and what punishment the officers received?

and what promotions the officers received?

Re:I kind of welcome the attention (5, Insightful)

jcr (53032) | about 3 months ago | (#46830057)

I'm sure all the perps were sternly admonished to avoid cameras before beating people up in the future.

-jcr

Re:I kind of welcome the attention (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46829113)

That was what struck me at first, upon reading the article.

"The photos are 'old news,' Bratton said."
"'They’ve been out there for a long time.'"

That's their public image. That's what the people they serve, and the people around the country, see them as. He's the boss... and he can't be bothered to give a shit. Clearly the problems with the NYPD go all the way to the top. Above Commissioner Bratton. Since this problem spans multiple mayoral administrations we have to just ask... does a politicians political appointees EVER represent the best choices for their constituency, or only the administration doing the appointing?

Re:I kind of welcome the attention (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46830773)

Why are people acting this angry over this? Everyone acts as if the pigs never got away with this stuff before. This is a country wide problem, why complain about the NYPD! The NYPD had to know this was coming, and its commissioner probably said what he said as a message to the officers, a source of embarrassment, the message if you dont like this outrage from citizens exposing your short comings on a massive scale, then stop being asshole.

Pigs have never been held to the same standard as criminals which makes them worse then criminals, they know they get away with it and receive slaps on the wrist keep their pensions, and still live comfortably.

Re:I kind of welcome the attention (2, Insightful)

Guest316 (3014867) | about 3 months ago | (#46829255)

Spoiler: They think it's hilarious. Because they're the good guys. And anyone in those pictures had it coming. And what are you going to do about it anyway?

If they were interested in upholding the law... (5, Insightful)

NoKaOi (1415755) | about 3 months ago | (#46829047)

...then they wouldn't consider this a failure. Truth and evidence should never be considered a failure. Identifying police brutality so that those individual cops can be punished, and thus hopefully prevent other cops from doing the same, should be considered a success. But obviously that's not how it works.

There are plenty of good cops out there, but by not punishing the bad cops it makes them all look bad.

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (1)

AlphaWolf_HK (692722) | about 3 months ago | (#46829053)

should be considered a success.

Isn't that what they did? The police commissioner said he welcomes the attention, so it doesn't seem like NYPD is objecting to it.

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (1)

timeOday (582209) | about 3 months ago | (#46829369)

Yes, look at the article: "NYPD spokeswoman Kim Royster told The New York Times the department was "creating new ways to communicate effectively with the community" and that Twitter provided "an open forum for an uncensored exchange" that is "good for our city."

Oh, but they didn't mean it! They didn't expect this, we subverted it! It's a backfire, really!

What else could either side possibly say? Anyways, the Police comment is closer to the truth, this is good for the city.

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46829075)

There are plenty of good cops out there, but by not punishing the bad cops it makes them all look bad.
Uh, no. By not punishing the "bad cops" those "good cops" become "bad cops". It's really that simple. It's also why as a species, humanity is fucked.

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (1, Flamebait)

AK Marc (707885) | about 3 months ago | (#46829099)

There are plenty of good cops out there,

No, there are bad cops, and cops that cover for bad cops (and are thus, bad cops). There are no good cops. Well, maybe some rookies that are particularly dumb. But that's not hard, when there is a screening to get rid of smart cops, but none to get rid of dumb ones.

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46829159)

When you have learned who and what they are with your own eye. You will avoid them all to not chance what kind of one you will get.
Unless you are a fool.

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (5, Insightful)

Guest316 (3014867) | about 3 months ago | (#46829285)

No, there are good cops. They can be found in good PDs where bad cops aren't tolerated. But when you have bad cops, you can be pretty sure their PD, its culture, and their union are all part of the problem.

And naturally the bad ones get the most publicity, which isn't fair even though it's to be expected.

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (5, Informative)

ArchieBunker (132337) | about 3 months ago | (#46829393)

Look what happened to this guy when he tried to blow the whistle on all the bad cops http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A... [wikipedia.org]

They abducted him and had him admitted to a mental hospital for six days!

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46829505)

Look what happened to this guy when he tried to blow the whistle on all the bad cops http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A... [wikipedia.org]

They abducted him and had him admitted to a mental hospital for six days!

And people wonder why Snowden went public with his evidence...

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46829921)

After voicing his concerns, Schoolcraft was reportedly harassed and reassigned to a desk job. After he left work early one day, an ESU unit illegally entered his apartment, physically abducted him and forcibly admitted him to a psychiatric facility, where he was held against his will for six days.[1] In 2010, he released the audio recordings to The Village Voice, leading to the reporting of a multi-part series titled The NYPD Tapes. That same year he filed a lawsuit against the NYPD and Jamaica Hospital. In 2012 The Village Voice reported that a 2010 unpublished report of an internal NYPD investigation found the 81st precinct had evidence of quotas and underreporting.

Comparing Snowden to this NYDP officer does the officer a great deal of injustice.

Rosa Parks sat on a bus and got arrested for it. She didn't move to the soviet Union to tell us how great their buses are.

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (3, Insightful)

BiIl_the_Engineer (3618863) | about 3 months ago | (#46830129)

Nor did she leak information the government considered confidential. What's with all the pro-government retards bashing Snowden? Just because Snowden isn't suicidal or masochistic doesn't mean he did anything wrong. We now have all the information we need, and we need to act on it.

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46830137)

Nothing wrong with avoiding impending doom while still doing the right thing. Taking a beating just because doesn't make the revelations better or worse. Comparing this to Rosa Parks is different since Rosa Parks had to be physically present in the seat to create the situation of civil disobedience - Snowden could do that from the other side of the globe.

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46830817)

Comparing Snowden to this NYDP officer does the officer a great deal of injustice.

Rosa Parks sat on a bus and got arrested for it. She didn't move to the soviet Union to tell us how great their buses are.

Snowden did not "move to the Soviet Union". The U.S. government illegally pulled his passport (he was not under accusation and still isn't) and stranded him in the Soviet Union. And now filthy and documented liars and perjurers like Clapper and Holder put on crocodile tears over Snowden having to cope with the situation they are responsible for.

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46829525)

Well, I don't think anyone was claiming the NYPD was one of the PDs.

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (1)

Guest316 (3014867) | about 3 months ago | (#46829671)

Yup, good example of what I referred to in my third sentence.

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46830335)

In this case all but one were bad. How can they not get the most publicity when the entire department is rotten to the core? The only honest one among them was abused and tossed out in disgust. The fact that there are police departments like that and no good cop comes forward to arrest them all means that there are no good cops in that jurisdiction at all. Local, county, state, and federal are all rotten for such a thing to take place and not one single law enforcement officer did their job.

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46830207)

and has everyone involved in persecuting him been executed by now? probably not.

I say: the more people you have power over the more legal ways there should be to exterminate you if you abuse your power. we'll start with no death penalty for the average non-authority figure citizen.

Why even have quotas?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46830499)

It's silly that they even have quotas! The amount of people they arrest should directly represent the amount of crimes witnessed in progress!

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (1)

AK Marc (707885) | about 3 months ago | (#46829507)

Ah yes, it's the unions that cause bad cops.

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (1)

Guest316 (3014867) | about 3 months ago | (#46829667)

I'm assuming that's sarcasm? And hence, a straw man? I stated correlation, you turned it into causality.

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (1)

AK Marc (707885) | about 3 months ago | (#46830031)

If you aren't trying to imply any causality, why mention a correlation? It was commentary on your inability to fail to take a stab at unions. So many people are insane about hating anything that might reduce the power gap between the employers and the employees.

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (2)

Guest316 (3014867) | about 3 months ago | (#46830637)

http://archive.9news.com/dontm... [9news.com]
http://www.coloradofop.org/ind... [coloradofop.org]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

Just one example. tl;dr: Officer shoots someone's dog after it was already restrained as shown on video, gets brought up on charges for it, union summarily declares him innocent of all charges and rallies all available LEOs to "show support" by turning up en masse to pressure the court. But they're totally not part of the problem amirite?

Seems some people are insane about excusing unions no matter what. But I appreciate that you believe I'm unable to fail. :)

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (1)

AK Marc (707885) | about 3 months ago | (#46830683)

I hate unions, but they are better than the alternative.

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (2)

thedarb (181754) | about 3 months ago | (#46830019)

"No, there are good cops."

Yeah. We call them Firemen.

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (1)

Guest316 (3014867) | about 3 months ago | (#46830657)

Heh. But I've run into my fair share of good cops, and I appreciate them all the more with every new report on the bad ones.

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/0... [salon.com]
http://www.salon.com/2013/07/1... [salon.com]

The good ones may be a dying breed. I'd rather not hasten that by mislabeling them.

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46829103)

No you are wrong the cops do not turn each other in and that is why they are all bad cops.

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46829275)

No you are wrong the cops do not turn each other in and that is why they are all bad cops.

Making a general statement like that isn't true. It never is. For example, I know of highway patrol cops / employees that were followed to the station by a county officer and ticketed.

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 3 months ago | (#46829215)

There are plenty of good cops out there, but by not punishing the bad cops it makes them all look bad.

Does it merely make them look bad? A bad cop is a more dangerous criminal than most of the people the cops are there to deal with. If the 'good cops' aren't enthusiastically hunting them down, I'd say that they are ineffectual at best and complicit at worst, not merely sullied by unfortunate proximity.

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (2)

NoKaOi (1415755) | about 3 months ago | (#46829565)

Does it merely make them look bad? A bad cop is a more dangerous criminal than most of the people the cops are there to deal with. If the 'good cops' aren't enthusiastically hunting them down, I'd say that they are ineffectual at best and complicit at worst, not merely sullied by unfortunate proximity.

Very good point, but I suppose "good" and "bad" is a spectrum. The problem is, if a cop with the best intentions knows about bad/illegal behavior of another cop, what are they going to do? If they report them (at least if they're not the bad cop's superior), then the bad cop will still not be punished, but the otherwise good cop will be harassed and hazed until they have no choice but to quit or be fired (or in the case previously mentioned be thrown in a mental institution). So, would it do more "good" in the world to get shoved out the door and not effect change, or to continue doing what you can to bust the criminals that you can? I suppose the answer to that depends on how idealistic you are, but the real world tends not to be boolean.

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (2)

BiIl_the_Engineer (3618863) | about 3 months ago | (#46830139)

I suppose the answer to that depends on how idealistic you are, but the real world tends not to be boolean.

Nor does it have to be, as that depends on individual preferences. If you want to never change a damn thing, then don't do anything about bad cops. It's a good way to ensure that they'll forever be able to do as they please.

no evidence for that statement (2)

dltaylor (7510) | about 3 months ago | (#46829297)

"There are plenty of good cops out there, ..."

I have heard of no evidence for there being ANY good cops. If there were any, it would be in the news that instead of various projects uncovering criminal behavior, it would be the cops, themselves, and it never seems to happen. There are cops who are murderers, rapists, thieves, and just plain thugs, and the rest of them are guilty of covering for the criminals. What happened to the NYPD officers who gang sodomized that Jamaican? The POLICE OFFICERS UNION pressured the city not to throw the SOBs in jail.

Re:no evidence for that statement (1)

Kittenman (971447) | about 3 months ago | (#46829807)

"There are plenty of good cops out there, ..."

I have heard of no evidence for there being ANY good cops. If there were any, it would be in the news that instead of various projects uncovering criminal behavior, it would be the cops, themselves, and it never seems to happen. There are cops who are murderers, rapists, thieves, and just plain thugs, and the rest of them are guilty of covering for the criminals. What happened to the NYPD officers who gang sodomized that Jamaican? The POLICE OFFICERS UNION pressured the city not to throw the SOBs in jail.

Nonsense. Bad news sells papers. "Cops beat defenceless grandmother" will get a lot more people buying newspapers, than "Cops help little old lady cross busy street safely". There are good cops and there are bad cops. The good cops outnumber the bad ones - vastly, I trust, as the selection process will help in that respect.

Re:no evidence for that statement (5, Insightful)

dltaylor (7510) | about 3 months ago | (#46830441)

Nonsense.

The "bad cop busted" is still news, and the "hero cop does the bust" just makes it better news. I have NEVER heard of a "bad cop" bust (and there have been many over my lifetime) where it was a "good cop" on his force that did it. It has always been outsiders.

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (3, Insightful)

Lord Kano (13027) | about 3 months ago | (#46829463)

There are plenty of good cops out there

I suppose that's arguable but if the majority of cops were good, how could bad cops continue to exist?

Good cops are the minority.

LK

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (3, Interesting)

Entropius (188861) | about 3 months ago | (#46830333)

Good cop story: I was accosted by four cops in squad cars one night in Tucson about midnight. I'd gotten hungry and decided to go to the local burrito joint. I wanted to read while I was there, so I took my netbook. It was cold, so I jogged the few blocks to the Taco Shop.

'Course, the cops see a guy running down the road with a laptop, and go "huh, we'd better see what the hell is going on here."

Cop says "Eh, what're you doing?" I tell him I'm headed to the Taco Shop for a burrito, and ask him what the problem is. He says "Is that your computer?" I tell him "Yeah ... now that I think about it, I do look suspicious, I guess. Look, can I boot the thing and show you documents with my name on them, and that it matches my driver's license?"

The cop tells me to go ahead, so I do. He says "Well, looks like it's your computer -- have a nice night" and they leave me alone.

Unfortunately, in a lot of places trying to do what I did (talk to the cops, rather than say "I do not consent to any searches and would like a lawyer") ends badly. But Tucson PD is pretty relaxed. I just wish police in more places could be trusted to treat citizens like citizens rather than "criminals they haven't caught yet"; I imagine they'd be better at preventing crime if they did.

(For those not well-versed in Arizona geopolitics: the place with the out-of-control xenophobic sheriff is Phoenix, north of Tucson. There Hispanics are regularly harassed by the police. In Tucson a big chunk of the police *are* Hispanic; it's a city that is far more tolerant.)

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46831319)

Good thing you weren't "running while black".

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (4, Insightful)

Suchetha (609968) | about 2 months ago | (#46831337)

no offence intended ... but are you white/caucasian/member of the majority race?

i am a sri lankan living in sri lanka, and i am (officially) sinhalese .. the majority race .. i know that my being part of the majority has got me out of a lot of grief ... and because of that i go out of my way to help people that are getting grief because they are the minority ..

i am not blaming you, far from it. but saying that a white person running with a laptop would probably be treated far FAR differently from a POC doing the same thing

Re:If they were interested in upholding the law... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#46831345)

> There are plenty of good cops out there, but by not punishing the bad cops it makes them all look bad.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men should do nothing.” - Edmund Burke

Some of these are overreaction (1, Troll)

AlphaWolf_HK (692722) | about 3 months ago | (#46829049)

One of these shows a police officer pinning a guy to the ground with his knee so that he can cuff him (presumably after the guy already did something wrong and tried to resist arrest.) That is hardly what I'd call brutality.

Also another one of these shows a guy laying on the ground screaming near a police motorcycle. I remember hearing about that, the motorcycle barely nudged him on accident and he deliberately dropped on the ground screaming like a 5 year old, way over-reacting to the incident. The guy (looked to be in his 50's or 60's) was acting like a baby trying to get attention and it was so cringe worthy that if I was there I would have been tempted to slap him and tell him to grow up for once in his life.

I understand that the police can go too far, but protesters and rioters certainly can and do go too far as well.

Re:Some of these are overreaction (4, Insightful)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about 3 months ago | (#46829109)

I understand that the police can go too far, but protesters and rioters certainly can and do go too far as well.

We hold the police to a higher standard for a very good reason. If the occupy people did that crap to me, I'd probably stop so I could kick the guys ass. But I'm not a cop, I'm not on duty, and it's not my job to put up with that kind of crap. Annoyed with protesters? Don't get a job as a cop dead center in the protest capital of the country.

Re:Some of these are overreaction (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 3 months ago | (#46829261)

I'd recommend getting a job playing campus cop [wikipedia.org] at some California state school instead. Much nicer weather.

Re:Some of these are overreaction (1, Interesting)

AlphaWolf_HK (692722) | about 3 months ago | (#46829879)

What you're essentially asking for is to have a job where you're expected to get rocks and garbage thrown at you (yes, this is common at occupy events) and for you to just stand there and take it. That is exactly what happens prior to these incidents.

Cops are humans, and as such they don't want to have to be denigrated like that any more than you do.

Think about this: If you deliberately provoke a reaction, do you think it's possible that you just might succeed in getting one?

Re:Some of these are overreaction (5, Insightful)

AK Marc (707885) | about 3 months ago | (#46829129)

One of these shows a police officer pinning a guy to the ground with his knee so that he can cuff him (presumably after the guy already did something wrong and tried to resist arrest.) That is hardly what I'd call brutality.

I've seen full video for something like that. The person was compliant, but the police treated him roughly anyway, knowing that the abuse apologists like you would justify it.

Re:Some of these are overreaction (0)

AlphaWolf_HK (692722) | about 3 months ago | (#46829809)

The guy in the picture had no shirt on, yet he also had no visible scratches either. If he was treated roughly on bare concrete, there would be signs of it. In fact given that he resisted, I'm surprised there are none at all anyways.

Re:Some of these are overreaction (4, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 3 months ago | (#46829247)

The nice thing about the knee-pin move is that, while it lacks the drama and blood of a good mag-lite to the face and thus plays comparatively well for the cameras, there is a relatively thin line between 'pinning' and 'compressive asphyxia'. Just a matter of how much weight you put on that knee...

Re:Some of these are overreaction (1)

AlphaWolf_HK (692722) | about 3 months ago | (#46829843)

It's kind of obvious when that's happening because the person's eyes will appear to swell. In this case the guy just had a rather blank stare on his face.

Re:Some of these are overreaction (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46831227)

The other nice thing is how cops killed a guy at a movie theatre in front of his wife and kids because he didn't show them his papers.

Re:Some of these are overreaction (2)

Khyber (864651) | about 3 months ago | (#46829541)

"The guy (looked to be in his 50's or 60's) was acting like a baby trying to get attention and it was so cringe worthy that if I was there I would have been tempted to slap him and tell him to grow up for once in his life."

And what if he had a bone disease? Bone spurs? Even a tiny bump can cause the most excruciating pain, you ill-educated person. I should know, I have lumbosacral arthritis and if I even so much as tap my spine/pelvis area I'm on the ground crying.

Re:Some of these are overreaction (-1, Troll)

AlphaWolf_HK (692722) | about 3 months ago | (#46829853)

If that was really the case, then there are a lot more dangerous things in that crowd than a motorcycle cop that is essentially walking. Besides, he didn't seem to grab the only area of his body that contacted the bike, rather he just dropped straight to the ground and started acting like a 5 year old who you just denied desert. In fact after he hit the ground, he pushed his foot under the bike to make it look worse than it was.

His entire motive was to get attention from somebody like you. Maybe you should go pick him up and breastfeed him.

Eh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46831073)

If your five year old behaves like that when denied something you haven't done very good job raising him. Sorry, but that's the truth. You better let them kids get disappointed a lot from the very early age, so they know how to cope wit hit.

Re:Some of these are overreaction (3, Informative)

Dereck1701 (1922824) | about 3 months ago | (#46829937)

"presumably after the guy already did something wrong and tried to resist arrest."

Is that anything like the below case, where a passenger in a car where the driver did run stayed in the car and waited for police to return. After they came back he slowly exited the car with his hands up and made no attempt to flee or resist and they still chucked him to the ground, pinned him down, tased him, punched and kicked him multiple times and then heaved him face first into the back of a police cruiser with his hands cuffed behind his back?

http://www.bringmethenews.com/... [bringmethenews.com]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

Re:Some of these are overreaction (2)

Dereck1701 (1922824) | about 3 months ago | (#46829971)

Even better, Just stumbled across this when checking ABC news. Apparently one officers idea of "crowd control" is to trip and shove high school girls at a football game.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video... [go.com]

Re:Some of these are overreaction (1)

uvajed_ekil (914487) | about 3 months ago | (#46830093)

One of these shows a police officer pinning a guy to the ground with his knee so that he can cuff him (presumably after the guy already did something wrong and tried to resist arrest.)

Presumably!?!? So, you are claiming to know the truth, and admit in the same sentence that you don't. Police actions not only may be questioned, they must be questioned. If they do nothing wrong then they have nothing to be worried about when we question them, right? That's the same approach they often take with us, no?

Re:Some of these are overreaction (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46830803)

One of these shows a police officer pinning a guy to the ground with his knee so that he can cuff him (presumably after the guy already did something wrong and tried to resist arrest.)

Given that you presumably think you've made a reasonable assumption above — "that guy is under arrest; he's guilty ofsomething... plus resisting arrest" — I presume you spend the bulk of your days servicing your local cops' throbbing members, which over the years has rendered you an unquestioning, cum-drooling servant to the truth and moral righteousness handed down from armed authoritarian thugs.

That is hardly what I'd call brutality.

I'm sure you know rough stuff when you feel it; no doubt a gang of unskilled killers in uniform can get pretty brutal when they're getting their rocks off in exchange for your blind obedience and loyalty.

The problem is the pictures? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46829055)

I keep seeing this referred to as "bad PR" or (as here) "ugly images" as though that's the problem. NO, YOU FUCKS! THE PROBLEM IS COPS BEATING THE CRAP OUT OF PEOPLE!

Re:The problem is the pictures? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46829407)

In a society that prioritizes feelings over results, things like facts, reason, logic, and consequences do not matter. Hell, even empathy takes a back seat. The feelings of ignorant people can be managed quite easily.

In short, as far as our society is concerned, the problem isn't that cops beat the shit out of people, nor anything of the like. The problem is that someone is making the public unhappy by rubbing their face in it. If they where ignorant of it, everything would be fine. ...got a problem? ...must be your fault. ...just the way things are. ...stop whining or else.

This was news like 3 days ago... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46829149)

It's just now making it to Slashdot?

Jeez...

Re:This was news like 3 days ago... (1)

uvajed_ekil (914487) | about 3 months ago | (#46830097)

It's still important and worthy of conversation. The US constitution was enacted a long time ago and has been reported on numerous times, so should we not worry about it anymore? Jeez...

Ug, wrong target people. (-1, Troll)

rsilvergun (571051) | about 3 months ago | (#46829173)

Getting mad at the cops for doing what they were hired to do is pointless. Get made at the people that _hired_ them. The cops don't beat the crap out of wealthy people, start asking why we're not all wealthy...

On another note, OWS's still going?

Re:Ug, wrong target people. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46829259)

> start asking why we're not all wealthy...

we would all be equally poor then. I'm wealthy because I have something you don't. It's that simple.....

Re:Ug, wrong target people. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46829617)

"I'm wealthy because I have something you don't. It's that simple....."

You have nothing. It's naive to believe that you, (or any other human for that matter) take ownership of anything.

This idea that your "wealth" is relative to what others lack is a very dysfunctional mindset. In fact, I would say that greed is more virtuous than your ideology.

Re:Ug, wrong target people. (5, Insightful)

ClintJCL (264898) | about 3 months ago | (#46829657)

By that logic, the Nazis who killed Jews were just doing what they were hired for. Fuck you and your fallacious logic.

Re:Ug, wrong target people. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46830045)

To an extent, yes. You can't just pull a cord and get off the Nazi bus.

Re:Ug, wrong target people. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46830895)

You can emigrate to a different country and protest. But I guess that's out of the comfort zone for most people. Changing your moral is much easier, that only needs some alcohol/pills.

Re:Ug, wrong target people. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46830917)

Too bad for your retarded logic that for most Nazi soldiers the result of not doing what they were "hired" for was getting thrown in the prison camps as a Jew sympathizer.

Also, by his logic you should be blaming Hitler and other Nazi leaders for hiring soldiers and forcing them to kill the Jews. Way to fuck up a simple analogy, idiot.

do7l (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46829187)

but suffice it fear the reaper IS DYING LIKE THE Litt7e-known Posts. Due to the

Sorry to say, but (1)

FuzzMaster (596994) | about 3 months ago | (#46829227)

. . .cops lie. They will lie to secure a conviction, but crowd-sourced photographic evidence is what will counter their culture of concealing misbehavior. Dash cams might help, too, but not as long as cops are in control of the on-off switch (see here [chicagotribune.com] and here [slashdot.org] ).

UAT (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46829411)

Union Asshole Thugs...

Fox News Again? (0)

edibobb (113989) | about 3 months ago | (#46829705)

Why all the Fox News links all of a sudden? Did Fox News buy Slashdot? I wouldn't bet a lot of money on the accuracy of this fine piece of journalism.

Re:Fox News Again? (1)

AHuxley (892839) | about 3 months ago | (#46830629)

A lot of strange AC stories seem to make it and then get flooded with more AC comments trying to have a smart "debate" or change "views" on sets of gov or legal topics.
It might be one person or a few people but the tone and flow is usually the same with the style of links.

the future in the past (1)

zephvark (1812804) | about 3 months ago | (#46829871)

Can slashdot not find something better to do than repost news that we read two days ago on reddit? If I wanted another re-re-repost, reddit's already got me covered.

Propaganda (1)

uvajed_ekil (914487) | about 3 months ago | (#46830081)

Nice try revising history, NYPD. But clearly you underestimated us. I welcome honest attempts at community outreach, but your propaganda will have to be a lot better to be effective.

Re:Propaganda (3, Funny)

russotto (537200) | about 3 months ago | (#46830119)

To the NYPD, "community outreach" means a longer baton.

Ha Ha (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46830293)

What will he say when NYPD Officers are photographed and videoed butt fucking dogs !

Choice

Wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46830313)

Every Police Officer from NYPD to LAPD and Miami PD to Seattle PD hunts for the hour, day and moment when he can butt fuck a civi.

Get this straight: Police hate civis i.e. civilians. Every Police Offices who kills a civi has done his job for the shift.

Get over it.

Police are to maintain FEAR. That is the prime directive. Nothing more nothing less.

In other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46830461)

Photographing cops on the street is illegal?

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