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Lucasfilm Announces Break With Star Wars Expanded Universe

Soulskill posted about 7 months ago | from the if-you-strike-me-down-now-etc. dept.

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RogueyWon writes: "A recent blog post from Lucasarts had confirmed that the new Star Wars movies planned for release by Disney will formally break continuity with the Expanded Universe novels, comics and video games. They say, 'In order to give maximum creative freedom to the filmmakers and also preserve an element of surprise and discovery for the audience, Star Wars Episodes VII-IX will not tell the same story told in the post-Return of the Jedi Expanded Universe.' The news is unlikely to be a surprise, given George Lucas's previous pronouncements on the issue."

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Translation (5, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | about 7 months ago | (#46847749)

We found out that by keeping the time- and storyline, we could not cram enough cuddly merchandising crap into the show. Expect a lot more fluffy aliens, cutsie droids, and if you thought that Episode 1 was an overblown trailer and ad for the podracer computer game, we have a big surprise for you in Episode 7!

Re:Translation (2)

Khan (19367) | about 7 months ago | (#46847777)

Spot on. And yeah, no surprise in this announcement. I have no doubt Jar-Jar (or some other equally annoying creation) will be the lead in the next 3 movies \TV shows.

Re: Translation (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46847793)

NO NOT ANOTHER JAR JAR!

Re: Translation (2)

Noah Haders (3621429) | about 7 months ago | (#46849383)

totally 100% wrong. this is some jj abrams star-trek-style reinvention, where he breaks free of old conventions to tell a new story. thank goodness that movies 7-9 won't be stuck in a little narrative box that was delineated 30 years ago. 1-3 were a disappointment to me, but I have big expectations here.

Re: Translation (3, Funny)

Crashmarik (635988) | about 7 months ago | (#46849393)

Meesa sorry yousa getsa jar jar

Re:Translation (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 7 months ago | (#46847805)

So they want to sell a cheap light gun game where all they have to do is show the movie and hand you a light gun?

Re:Translation (4, Insightful)

Stormy Dragon (800799) | about 7 months ago | (#46847921)

Disney hasn't done this with any of the Marvel movies; why do people assume they are with the Star Wars movies?

Re:Translation (1)

Shadow99_1 (86250) | about 7 months ago | (#46847951)

Because Lucas has already been leaning to these things? And with the cart blanche from this we have every faith that Disney will go the extra mile.

Besides there were some great stories in the EU (among some not so great or even bad). Just throwing the baby out with the bath water can only mean bad things...

Re:Translation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46847983)

Name ANY worth shit outside of I, Jedi or the Thrawn trilogy.

You cant because there isnt. FUCK the EU with a barge pole

Re:Translation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46848149)

Name ANY worth shit outside of I, Jedi or the Thrawn trilogy.

You cant because there isnt. FUCK the EU with a barge pole

You're right, yet I think throwing even the good parts away is stupid.
Mara Jade is a great character as is Thrawn. Can't Disney somehow put these 2 characters in the first sequel to Return of the Jedi ?
But even if they don't include them what pisses me the most about this film is the stupidy of Disney to yet cast again Hamill and Co. They're old nowadays, they should have simply recast the actors but keep the same characters on screen. Even if the action takes place what 10 years after ROTJ Luke is around 40 years old ? Can't see Hamill doing that. And the same for the other actors.
This is like Indiana Jones 4 all over again. Instead a casting a new actor for the part we got a senile and stupid Harisson Ford besides a crazy script.
I simply have no faith at all in this sequel.

Re:Translation (1)

Noah Haders (3621429) | about 7 months ago | (#46849415)

i assume the old cast will all have 2 minute cameos, not major parts. you're right about lame indiana jones 4... which was created by lucas and produced by lucasfilm. i have a lot of faith in this sequel.

Re:Translation (5, Interesting)

Gareth Iwan Fairclough (2831535) | about 7 months ago | (#46848945)

Name ANY worth shit outside of I, Jedi or the Thrawn trilogy.

You cant because there isnt. FUCK the EU with a barge pole

Knights of the old republic? Shadows of the empire? The Dark forces/Jedi Knight series? Rogue Squadron?

There's four for you right there.

Re:Translation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46849035)

Obvious troll is obvious. But episode I seriously???

Re:Translation (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 7 months ago | (#46848107)

Because it simply was by no means necessary. There is no need to butcher a super hero movie on the altar of merchandising. They come packed with merchandising opportunities aplenty, no need to include cutsiepoo crap sidekicks.

Re:Translation (1)

j-beda (85386) | about 7 months ago | (#46848115)

Disney hasn't done this with any of the Marvel movies; why do people assume they are with the Star Wars movies?

The Marvel movies are not completely consistent with the huge comic "continuity", in fact the published comics themselves do not always maintain continuity. I don't know that trying to be thusly consistent is a good goal.

At best, the Marvel movies have been fairly self consistent with the movie storylines. Certainly the trailer for "Guardians of the Galaxy" does not look like it is going to be very consistent with the published comics.

Re:Translation (1)

CronoCloud (590650) | about 7 months ago | (#46848197)

Certainly the trailer for "Guardians of the Galaxy" does not look like it is going to be very consistent with the published comics.

From what I've been reading, it is consistent, with the most recent version of the Guardians, not the Martinex/Charlie-27/Vance Astro/etc etc Guardians you're probably thinking of.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G... [wikipedia.org]

Re:Translation (3, Insightful)

j-beda (85386) | about 7 months ago | (#46848503)

Certainly the trailer for "Guardians of the Galaxy" does not look like it is going to be very consistent with the published comics.

From what I've been reading, it is consistent, with the most recent version of the Guardians, not the Martinex/Charlie-27/Vance Astro/etc etc Guardians you're probably thinking of.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G... [wikipedia.org]

Which is, I guess, an indication that being "consistent with the comics" at best can be understood to mean "consistent with some group of comics picked from fifty plus years of inconsistent storylines, restarts and re-imagings".

Re:Translation (3, Interesting)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | about 7 months ago | (#46847975)

We found out that by keeping the time- and storyline, we could not cram enough cuddly merchandising crap into the show. Expect a lot more fluffy aliens, cutsie droids, and if you thought that Episode 1 was an overblown trailer and ad for the podracer computer game, we have a big surprise for you in Episode 7!

I can only agree with you there, the extent to which boosting merchendising sales has taken priority over making a good film sucks ass. Antoher thing I hate is when film sequels and in particular TV scifi shows get cancelled and you are left with a half told story because some beancounting corporate functionary did an Excel session and determined that the fucking merchandise sales weren't good enough even thought he film/show itself was quite well received by the viewing public. Some of us actually watch a film for the sake of the story being told and not because we like 2-3 hour infomercials.

Re:Translation (4, Funny)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about 7 months ago | (#46847981)

Episode Seven: Jedi Academy of the Ewok Homeworld.

Re:Translation (5, Funny)

Opportunist (166417) | about 7 months ago | (#46848111)

I have a very bad feeling about this.

Re:Translation (1)

FlyHelicopters (1540845) | about 7 months ago | (#46849467)

Turn the movie around...

Re:Translation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46847993)

I'm not surprised. Books, comics and video games tend to not be canon for Star Wars, and only half heartedly canon in Star Trek.

My personal opinion is that only Film-TV can be canon. Everything else in another format needs to be adapted to that format to be canon. This is why I never read fanfic trash on the internet, as much as someone might have a good head on their shoulders for writing fanfiction, it will never be canon. Parodies I sometimes see (eg robot chicken) but they're easily forgettable.

Re:Translation (3, Interesting)

Enigma2175 (179646) | about 7 months ago | (#46848017)

I'm not surprised. Books, comics and video games tend to not be canon for Star Wars, and only half heartedly canon in Star Trek.

My personal opinion is that only Film-TV can be canon. Everything else in another format needs to be adapted to that format to be canon. This is why I never read fanfic trash on the internet, as much as someone might have a good head on their shoulders for writing fanfiction, it will never be canon. Parodies I sometimes see (eg robot chicken) but they're easily forgettable.

So the Lord of the Rings movies are canon, screw those dusty old books. Why rely on Tolkien when I can have Peter Jackson tell me about Hobbits?

Re:Translation (1)

aevan (903814) | about 7 months ago | (#46848101)

Considering how many movies are just derivatives, retellings or reimaging of previous older works... that's an interesting view.

I'm of the view ideas can be limited in scope, underutilise the potential, and be poor in execution; something ripe for continuation or revisioning in the hands of another. i.e. canon can just plain suck, so fidelity to such is a waste.

Re:Translation (1, Insightful)

spire3661 (1038968) | about 7 months ago | (#46848511)

Letting only VISUAL depictions be canon is an INCREDIBLY limited way to tell a richer story.

Re:Translation (4, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 7 months ago | (#46848163)

I would think it has more to do with the fact that most of the writing and plotlines in the expanded universe are absolutely shit. I've struggled my way here and there through a few, and they're just terrible, most of it on the level of amateur fan fiction.

Re:Translation (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46849417)

To be fair, more than half of the clone wars series was too. There were a few authors that did a good job. Personally I like the majority of Zahn's work better than the original Star Wars Story itself. It is an incredible saga showcasing the triumph the human(oid) mind, and will above all else. The original hand of Thrawn trilogy was so artistically done. Allegiance, & Choices of one were just as good.

If Disney / Lucas cared at all they would make those into a subset of movies of some kind. They flesh out the universe in ways no other work has touched (not even the originals). Ysalimari, force bubbles. Defeating an enemy utilizing psychological flaws deduced by studying their species artwork. An enslaved group of stealh assassins as strong as wookies?!. Beautiful, just beautiful. Then there was the ever-present competence, and problem solving ability of Mara Jade, and Thrawn showcased in a variety of situations. It doesn't get better than those works.

Re:Translation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46849793)

THANK YOU.

I liked most of the EU novels as a pre-teen, but now I can't stand to read any of them. They're mass produced for-profit shite, mostly. The characterizations are incorrect, the technology is wrong, the villains aren't believeable. Don't get me started on the NJO "Omg let's kill everyone because it's DARK and EDGY" crud.

The setting may be Star Wars, but any of the six movies beat the shit out of the EU crap. Yes, including Timothy Zahn's Thrawn trilogy. What an overrated bunch of hooey!

Re:Translation (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about 7 months ago | (#46848207)

Re: Translation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46848787)

R2-D2 would totally run away with EVE though... They'd be the new Bonnie and Clyde!

Re:Translation (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46848809)

No, I do not think that is the translation.

I think the translation goes more like "We do not care about those fans who read all that anyway. Their money is nice but what we really want is the mass market plus their families. So why should we bother if we carefully created a movie that fits in the existing content when we could just slap the name Star Wars on some script someone (whoever) produced and call it a day? Yes, that is what we thought, no cry in the corner, you are standing in the way of all those Joes with their sons who want to buy tickets..."

Re:Translation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46848899)

How about, they want to make a movie that's good and has mass appeal, rather than something constrained by the massive canon of a shitty fanfic universe.

Re:Translation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46849017)

My money's on they are going to re-tell Luke's story except without Luke. Mostly same experiences, same character progression, different planets with the same structure of characters, etc... It's a popular hollywood trend for morons and this is where these seem to be headed.

Re:Translation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46849391)

That or they just don't want to pollute Star Wars with a bunch of amateur "expanded" universe garbage. Seriously, all of that Yuuzan Vong shit and every single person becoming a Jedi was just fucking stupid. I'm glad they are ditching all of that.

Why? (4, Insightful)

CRCulver (715279) | about 7 months ago | (#46847755)

I cannot claim to be much of a Star Wars fanatic and haven't read a Star Wars book in years, but I remember reading Timothy Zahn's Heir to the Empire [amazon.com] along with the rest of the Thrawn Trilogy as a child and wishing that someday that would be adapted for the big screen as future episodes of the film series. Judging from its critical acclaim, I imagine many had the same wish. Strange that Disney would leave that all behind when its storywriting work was already done for it.

Perhaps not enough opportunities for tie-in marketing in existing plot material?

Re:Why? (1)

putaro (235078) | about 7 months ago | (#46847783)

I read a few of those long long ago but don't remember many plot details except maybe for some anti-Force sloths. Were Han, Luke and Leia in those novels and if so, how old were they? That may be part of the problem in adapting them.

Re:Why? (1)

MrDoh! (71235) | about 7 months ago | (#46847785)

Yup. I can imagine that exactly. With Disney in control, they need the toys to market. Things like Thrawn would be great, but as a film? Can't see it happening alas.

Re:Why? (2)

Opportunist (166417) | about 7 months ago | (#46847871)

The Thrawn stories would make a great movie plot, but any movies out of them would neither fit into the Star Wars nor the Disney catalog of movies. Any movie about Thrawn would be a diplomacy/political thriller. Thrawn is an admiral, and a very fine one (from a purely military point of view). A Thrawn movie would have a completely different air to it than what you'd expect from a Star Wars movie, it would be a war movie, not unlike a lot of movies about contemporary admirals and generals, rather than the fantasy/sci-fi opera mix that SW movies usually are.

It would be a great movie if you ask me. It just would never be a Star Wars movie.

Re:Why? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46848405)

It's so true - because Star Wars never sold toys with the first 3 movies. Those were pure art.

Re:Why? (1)

hubie (108345) | about 7 months ago | (#46849515)

LOL! As someone who was a kid when the first one came out, your comment made me chuckle. You should have seen all the merchandise crap that came out, even after the first one. And the Ewoks only existed for their marketing potential.

Spoiler Alert... (2)

rsilvergun (571051) | about 7 months ago | (#46847829)

So stop reading if you haven't read the Thrawn Books. I liked them books, but I just wish they could have come up with a better solution then just killing him at the end. It seems every time they do something interesting they cop out later on when it's time to resolve it. It's like the writers can't figure out what could possibly be a threat to a Jedi, which is silly. Blasters in sufficient quantity are threat. Bounty Hunters are a threat. Hell, Aurra Sing freakin' _hunts_ Jedi. I always thought the Star Wars MMOs missed out on a cool end game where gangs of Bounty Hunters would hunt the Jedi in PvP mode.

Re:Why? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46847857)

Dunno. Haven't read them,

However, all Disney is saying that they aren't going to be bound by the countless shitty "expanded universe" stuff... because most of it is retarded fan bullshit.

They may well decide to go with the one you mention - but they don't want to be forced.

Good, I say... every time I hear about how fans really want a movie about Ramala Minoon - a black lesbian Jedi whose legs only work via the force - and featured in book 3 of the Dark Jedi academy decology

It frankly makes me want to take a meat cleaver to every Star Wars aspie.

Re:Why? (2)

RogueyWon (735973) | about 7 months ago | (#46847875)

I read a LOT of the Expanded Universe stuff around 7 or 8 years ago, when I had a job that involved a lot of international travel. The novels are a decent way to pass the time when you are constantly crammed into planes, or sat in a strange hotel room feeling jetlagged.

I think the issue is that the Expanded Universe stuff mostly fits into two camp. The first - which is typified by the Timothy Zahn stuff - is the stuff that is decent sci-fi (better than franchise-fiction has any right to be) but which is fundamentally unsuited to film. The Heir to the Empire trilogy is good, but it's slow-paced, involves a lot of politics and it doesn't really have any scenes that would really adapt into big set-pieces in a movie (and Star Wars movies have always been heavy on the big set-pieces). As a TV series, putting aside the casting difficulties, Heir to the Empire might have worked. As movies? No hope.

The other category - typified by the Kevin J Anderson stuff - is what could, most kindly, be described at "bad fanfiction". This is the stuff that's badly written, tone-deaf and schlocky. This stuff is filled with stilted dialogue, paper thin characterisation and plot holes you could fly a Star Destroyer through. Admittedly, everything I've just said could be applied equally to Lucas's prequel movies - but you really do hope they're aiming higher than that with the new stuff.

Plus if you stuck with the existing Expanded Universe timeline, at some point you'd hit New Jedi Order. And that's where it gets difficult. For the uninitiated, the NJO is a very, very long multi-author series of novels, beginning around 20 years after Return of the Jedi, and centred around an invasion by extra-galactic aliens. It kills a lot of major characters (including characters from the movies) and, in case I didn't stress this enough above, is extremely long. Some of the authors who worked on it are fairly good. Some are terrible. But even when it works, it doesn't feel like Star Wars. It's a lot darker, a lot bloodier and even fits awkwardly with some of the other Expanded Universe stuff, let alone the movies. In terms of tone, it feels a lot more... well... I'm not quite sure... perhaps "Wing Commander" (from the fourth game onwards) than "Star Wars".

Re:Why? (3, Insightful)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about 7 months ago | (#46847963)

Perhaps not enough opportunities for tie-in marketing in existing plot material?

Because a lot more goes into movies then just finding a good plot. They do focus groups on what will sell this year. Which words and titles are most popular. This is about making money, not art. Ever wonder why we get 3 movies released at nearly the same time with very similar plots? How many asteroid destroys the earth movies can we squeeze into one year? This year the hot topic seems to be Artificial Intelligence. A few years ago it was the earth getting back at us for polluting. Then there was the alien invasion summer.

How can they use existing plots when those books were written decades before anyone would do a focus group to know what the public was currently panicking about? Without targeting the publics flighty paranoia, how are you ever supposed to make money?

Re:Why? (2)

Noah Haders (3621429) | about 7 months ago | (#46849453)

but it takes 2 or 3 years from story origination to opening day. do they do focus groups of precogs to see what people will be panicking about in the future?

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46848021)

Because the Yuuzhan Vong is a horrible deformed abortion of an idea. It's a schlock C-movie villain for 10-12-year olds.

"Hey Bob, what are we gonna challenge the Jedi with next? I mean, they kick ass a lot but we need something to kind of threaten them and make things happen"

"Well Dave, how about some aliens? Oh, to make them badass they have to be FROM ANOTHER GALAXY so we can say that's why nobody have heard of them before. And they got to use like BIOLOGICAL EQUIPMENT like everything they have is LIVING STUFF like LIVING SWORDS and LIVING GUNS. Oh, and we make them be like WORSHIPPING PAIN, like they don't pussy out like humans do but they literally WANT TO HAVE MORE PAIN. Oh yeah, and we make them GRAFT NEW ORGANS AND LIMBS TO THEMSELVES to be even more badass, like they literally GRAFT ARMOR TO THEIR SKIN. Just for shits let's make them basically IMMUNE TO THE FORCE. Oh, yeah, their faces have to look like SKULLS. Yeah, let's make their face like a SKULL face literally, like they are bodies walking around with SKULLS instead of faces. And they have to WORSHIP, like literally WORSHIP some kind of demonic torture GODS. This will make Starwars AWESOME much more than the boring shit it was. What do you think?"

Re:Why? (1)

gman003 (1693318) | about 7 months ago | (#46848093)

I think they'll treat it as a partial reboot. They'll re-use the good ideas from the EU (Thrawn, Rogue Squadron, the Corellian trilogy, etc.) and ignore the bad ones (the Sun Crusher storyline, for one). But the only "canonical" things would be the movies and maybe the TV shows.

Just like how most Batman continuities have similar events re-occur, I expect they'll re-tell the good EU stories simply because they're good stories and the fans want them. The chronology and specifics may differ, but if they're even remotely smart they'll use some of the good EU stories. Of course, "even remotely smart" might not be a low enough bar for Disney to clear...

Re:Why? (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about 7 months ago | (#46848255)

Wasn't the sun crusher the ship that discovered the empire and the sith and started the first emperial invasion?

Re:Why? (1)

nine-times (778537) | about 7 months ago | (#46848135)

Or, you know, it's possible that the screenwriter and director they hired to work on the new movies thought that Timothy Zahn's work didn't provide the groundwork for the sort of movie they wanted to make, and so they went another direction. It may be as simple as "going a different direction.

Last I heard, the movie was being directed by Abrams, who I'd imagine would like to write his own story. One of his more recent projects included a reboot of a scifi series that was badly in need of an overhaul. If I had to guess, I'd guess that the new movies may capture the spirit of the original 3 movies, while breaking substantially from the associated canon. I think you may find that the new movies are disappointing to the super-nerds who have spent years studying the exact science and star charts of the Star Wars universe. If there's already an explanation of how lightsabers work, or exactly which race exists on what planet, Abrams might not stick to it. That doesn't seem to be what Abrams does. But on the other hand, I predict it will be less stupid, and a hell of a lot more fun, than the prequels.

Re: Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46848905)

But stuff like the map of the Star Wars Galaxy and how light sabers work is what makes it Star Wars. For "fan fiction" the EU did A very good job of maintaining consistency ... Until George just started throwing stuff out because he couldn't be bothered. George was all about "making myths" well part of that is continuing the story you started telling around the campfire.. People kept Star Wars alive for 25 years when George didn't. We paid him billions of dollars for those stories around HIS campfire and he happily took the money. It's not about "creativeness" they are just aloof assholes.

Re:Why? (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 7 months ago | (#46848187)

I didn't even think Zahn's Star Wars books were all that good. It's been years since I read them. I've read other stuff by Zahn that is a lot better. Some of the plotlines and characters were interesting, but the writing was atrocious.

Re:Why? (1)

Drethon (1445051) | about 7 months ago | (#46848319)

IMHO the X-Wing books are most deserving of movie treatments.

First Post? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46847759)

First Post

Jar Jar Abrams (2)

MrDoh! (71235) | about 7 months ago | (#46847775)

I'm sensing a disturbance in the force.

Re:Jar Jar Abrams (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 7 months ago | (#46847877)

...as if a million fanboys suddenly cry out in terror, and will suddenly be silenced. I fear something terrible will happen.

Re:Jar Jar Abrams (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46848831)

I'm sensing a disturbance in the force.

Well, at least we now know what "JJ" stands for.

I learned something new today. It's not a total waste. Hoo ray.

Statist: Ban it or make it mandatory (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46847779)

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/04/25/bill-encourages-schools-to-teach-about-racial-significance-of-obamas-presidency/

It's hard to believe how far we have come since breaking with king George.

The tyrants of today are so much worse, and we voted for it, twice.

We are truly fucked.

Re:Statist: Ban it or make it mandatory (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46847863)

The more you teach about things like "racial significance", the more you keep the idea of racism alive [wikipedia.org] .

I, for one, am glad to hear that the young people of today have no idea why it's a first in history for Obama to be president.

Re:Statist: Ban it or make it mandatory (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46848037)

And how many black people voted for Obama solely because he was black? High 90% is how many. That's racist right there, no other way about it.

Yea, I am against racism, but how is it I just know you support all these black people voting O... come on, am I wrong?

And then let's move on from that. You understand this is propoganda right? Writing laws to direct childrens education to lay praise on the leader. This is disgusting, and it would be so no matter who was the current leader. Any 'leader' that allows this is just a tyrant and a pathetic narcisistic shitbag in my book. I understand this is not the actions of Obama, but even still he could put a stop to it being the de facto leader of the Democrat party, in the end he is behind this. Detestable.

And how much do you want to bet this asshole is one of your heros then huh?

These are the actions of a tyrant, and the people just lap it all up. This is the state of our country, this is what the entitlement state, build by socialists, for socialists.

Lickspittle. I am the only free man on this train.

Fuck Star Wars (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46847843)

Get a real life and quit living in this assholes' fake reality as you make him rich.

Fools.

Re:Fuck Star Wars (1)

mark-t (151149) | about 7 months ago | (#46847995)

Which asshole are you referring to?

And there was a great disturbance in the Force... (2, Funny)

danaris (525051) | about 7 months ago | (#46847847)

...as if a million Star Wars EU geeks had suddenly cried out in terror, and then immediately took to the Internet to vent their rage.

Dan Aris

But wait... (3, Funny)

jddj (1085169) | about 7 months ago | (#46847893)

...What about "Children of Star Wars"? What about "Star Wars Messiah"? Does Leia kill herself? Is Luke Atredies REALLY the Kwisatz Haderach?

I realize this is George Lucas' universe, that he "made up myself", but come on, aren't there another nine books of story to tell?

Re:But wait... (2)

Carcass666 (539381) | about 7 months ago | (#46848063)

Heh, Carrie Fisher might have a shot at pulling off a reverend mother superior. And, if you put Idaho Duncan in a stormtrooper uniform..

Re:But wait... (1)

Noah Haders (3621429) | about 7 months ago | (#46849511)

george lucas has no say here. for better or for worse, he sold it all off. his opinion counts just as much as that of any blowhard in these comments.

Good. (5, Interesting)

Guspaz (556486) | about 7 months ago | (#46847895)

I grew up with the expanded universe, and it was good back then, but at this point it's super depressing. They've killed off a bunch of main characters (both from the films and the EU), and they've sketched out a future that makes it clear that there is no hopeful future in the EU, just an endless cycle of collapse and ruin.

Re:Good. (1)

doreen3 (2723313) | about 7 months ago | (#46848045)

This is exactly what I feel...

Re:Good. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46848121)

Kinda like the real world you mean..

Re:Good. (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about 7 months ago | (#46848225)

Yeah that darth mouse [youtube.com] is a scary one.

Re:Good. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46849149)

New Jedi Order is really where it all went wrong. That was when they decided to let evil win.

Good. (1)

thrift24 (683443) | about 7 months ago | (#46847899)

It has been a long time since I was extremely familiar with the "extended universe", but at one time I had read somewhere around 50 of the books from this universe...and while many of them were great individually as a universe the universe as a whole was set by 20 different writers with different prerogatives...so for one I don't think the expanded universe is even a great universe but then on top of that it just totall ruins any ability for creative writing. There is hardly in an unaccounted for day in that universe.

Lucas screwed up a lot in the prequels but I think some of that was due to trying to fit his story into the expanded universe. Primary example: midochlorians are right from the expanded universe. But he obviously referenced it throughout the films, the whole clone wars business -> mandolorion armor -> boba fett business was defined in the expanded university and then Lucas made his story to match that mold and it was the worst thing ever. I'm not totally blaming the expanded universe, Lucas is awful, but there is no reason to follow it.

So anyway I will be glad to see some surprises. Hell I wish they'd forget the prequels happened and we just started from scratch after rtoj. the only real expanded universe bits I'd keep would be shadow of the empire and the bounty hunters...they don't pidgeon hole the story. Or start inventing new ships and tech and forcing the writers to reuse all these predefined assets.

Re:Good. (1)

grim4593 (947789) | about 7 months ago | (#46848265)

I would disagree that Lucas tried at all to fit into the expanded universe. I read most of the expanded universe books including the Thrawn series, X-Wing, and Jedi Academy. Those books did well taking all the existing plot before them and integrating them in a way that made sense and pushed the Star Wars story further. It was clear to me when the prequels came out that Lucas had no intent on fitting in with the world that grew during his absence after the original trilogy. At this point the EU has more material than the original and prequels. Granted there were quite a few low quality books and stories and I was never able to enjoy anything after the Vong were introduced but I feel it is a mistake to delete a large part of the universe that he created.

"Expanded Universe"? (1)

DogDude (805747) | about 7 months ago | (#46847917)

So the outrage is that the people who own the rights to make the movies aren't going to use some fan-fiction about the original movies? Why should I care?

Re:"Expanded Universe"? (2)

zippthorne (748122) | about 7 months ago | (#46847949)

Officially licensed fan fiction.

I think the real outrage is that they're breaking with the EU before they break the other fan fiction, a series of moves that oddly were written and directed by the original author himself....

Re:"Expanded Universe"? (1)

Noah Haders (3621429) | about 7 months ago | (#46849531)

your grammar makes no sense

How is this surprising? (1)

tverbeek (457094) | about 7 months ago | (#46847923)

This should come as no surprise to anyone who understands how the world works. Spin-off works have never been binding on any franchise flagship. Sure, the Star Trek films and TV series have been free to pick up bits of continuity from the novels or comics, but they've freely ignored them when it suited the purposes of the story they were telling. Marvel Comics can take what they want from the films (e.g. Phil Coulson), but they're still going to ignore them and tell their own stories. Episodes I-III already contradicted the Expanded Universe; why in a galaxy far, far away would anyone expect Episodes VII and later not to do so? Expecting the writers of these films to read and accommodate the metric tonne of professional fanfic (however good it is, however authorized it is) that comprises the EU is totally unrealistic.

Re:How is this surprising? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46848029)

This, and the vast majority of EU 'fanfic' isn't particularly good. I say that as someone who grew up reading it religiously through high school when it was supposedly at its best.

Yoda version (1)

davidwr (791652) | about 7 months ago | (#46847931)

A fork in the universe, I see.
Take it, they will.

At least in Star Trek... (1)

Chordonblue (585047) | about 7 months ago | (#46847933)

...they did the whole 'we're going back in time to change everything' thing.

only way (1)

confused one (671304) | about 7 months ago | (#46847941)

As someone who saw the original movie when it first came out... only way that this works... Is to go waaaaay back in time. ( a long long long time ago in a galaxy far away) or to go forward far into the future (many generations after Luke and Anakin restore balance to the Force). There they could create new and interesting story lines that parallel the existing one(s).

First-world problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46847965)

The sun continues to rise in the morning, and set in the evening.

Am I the only one who thinks this is old news? (1)

BluPhenix316 (2656403) | about 7 months ago | (#46847967)

I know they probably made it official now, however, I could have swore i've read this a while back when they announced they were making a new Star Wars movie. As I said, they are probably just making it official now, but I think everyone was already prepared for this to happen. So its kind of a non-story?

Logical that EU is gone it was never canon (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46847977)

EU was never canon, a lot of it was bad its sad for the good EU content there was and also the characters but it makes complete sense.

JJ Abraham did say in interviews about the question of the new movies that he liked star wars a lot more then the star trek franchise.

I think that JJ will incorporate the bigger characters of the EU.

I do have semi good hope for the the star wars movies under the head of JJ and disney the only things that I fear is that it will be to much geared towards a all age audience. Oh and lens flares

Only logical that it's gone (2)

Guru80 (1579277) | about 7 months ago | (#46848025)

Has anyone ever dug deeply into the EU "canon"...I haven't but just scratching the surface you see dozens of pieces of work that contradict another dozen pieces of work. If they were to even attempt to keep it they would have to dig through 30 years worth of works to figure out which half needs to go anyway.

I have a much neater solution. (4, Funny)

teslar (706653) | about 7 months ago | (#46848027)

Someone from the future travels to the past, changes something fundamental and the universe slips into an alternate reality from which it can never return and in which no event can be expected to unfold as it did in the original.

Not only will this by definition never be inconsistent with the EU, it will give the writers ways of amusingly rehashing old stories by subtly altering some key elements things, like who gets to die of radiation while saving the crew. Maybe, in Episode VII, Luke will hack off Vader's hand?

What?

Re:I have a much neater solution. (0)

Scutter (18425) | about 7 months ago | (#46848057)

Someone from the future travels to the past, changes something fundamental and the universe slips into an alternate reality from which it can never return and in which no event can be expected to unfold as it did in the original.

What do you think this is, Star Trek?

Re:I have a much neater solution. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46849701)

I'm sure glad you're here to explain the joke.

And so (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46848071)

And so comes the beginning of the end.
Soon we will have musical swith star wars and alladin on ice. This is just the sneaky start of a star wars none of us will remember or want to be a part of...

He did the same thing to star trek (2)

Karmashock (2415832) | about 7 months ago | (#46848287)

they rebooted the universe... they blew up Vulcan... they have old spock as some kind of time traveler from a future that doesn't exist.

Etc.

So imagine if they do the same thing to star wars... You could see Tatooine blown up in the first movie. You could see a time traveling vador giving force advice to yoda or something. Who the hell knows.

Generally not a fan of this sort of thing but it is what is happening.

Reboot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46848455)

I'm waiting for a SW reboot..... 59 years to go :)

Re:Reboot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46848821)

I'm waiting for a SW reboot..... 59 years to go :)

No need to reboot anything. Should Disney fuck it up, someone (hopefully Peter Jackson one of the few director's that can respect the original material) should buy the rights to The Star of the Guardians tetralogy. Those books are great, very star wars like minus the sillyness. And all the characters are fucking great, from Sagan to Lady Maigrey and their impossible relationship. It should be fairly easy to transpose on the silver screen. No ewoks, and no kids (ok 1 young adult teenager but not as annoying as Anakin).

Midichlorians (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46848663)

Hopefully the new writers forget about the whole midichlorian thing.

minus 2, troll) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46848703)

briiliant plan Goals. It's when eyes on the real continues In a were compounded BSD had become of open-source.

Star Wars was never intended to be serious drama. (4, Interesting)

mmell (832646) | about 7 months ago | (#46848741)

Just to say - it was (IMHO) a romp - a chance for a bit of more or less mindless diversion from the routine workaday world some of us inhabit. George Lucas wasn't out to make a statement (Avatar, anyone?). He wasn't out to do serious drama (too many examples to cite). He wasn't out to do science fiction (practically no scientific credibility that it could ever have been or ever be what he depicted). It was fun. Lots of Battle of Britain style dogfights in space, because George Lucas had a liking for the old fighter pilot camera footage that was obtained during WW II. Ships in space don't fly like that.

Okay, breaking continuity does make it harder to suspend disbelief. Most movie viewers can get over that within a few minutes, and I'm not really watching Star Wars for the dialog, social commentary, or even the technical predictions. I'm there to see the money shot, and hopefully a fun story to keep me from disbelieving while I wait for Luke's X-wing to fly down the trench. You know what impressed me even when I was a teenager? The fact that fast moving objects actually looked blurry, and that the Millennium Falcon was dirty. That was the first interstellar vessel I ever saw represented on film as having grease on the walls. Hell, there were even chrome (fuzzy) dice hanging from the rearview mirror, and it was the first time that I saw such incredible detail - detail which correctly got blurred when the viewpoint moved quickly. I just want the underlying story to not ruin my ability to suspend disbelief, so that I can enjoy the money shot.

Good and Completely Unsurprising (1)

coaxial (28297) | about 7 months ago | (#46848841)

When the prequels, came out, Lucas tossed everything the EU under the bus, including everything stated and implied in the films. ("I just remember my mother was always very sad," No! That was your adopted mom!) About the only thing he kept was Obi-Wan and Anakin fought over lava. So none of this is surprising.

When milking an existing franchise there's this need to be different-yet-similar, and a need to ramp everything up a notch or two. Eventually, everything gets a bit stupider as a result.

Years, ago I ingested everything out of the WEG RPG source books. I loved it. Now when I look out at the EU, it seems like such overwrought load of rehashed crap. A perpetual war of Sith and Jedi with even the uniforms and technology always looking the same. It's like the Star Wars Galaxy didn't even have changes in design, or different empires to grow and fall. (The Rakata being the notable exception.) Its quite a boring universe really.

Re:Good and Completely Unsurprising (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46849115)

Wrong.

Lucas WANTED to throw the entire EU under the bus in the prequels, and it's only because the people working with him resisted that he didn't. A lot of details were actually incorporated from EU material, like name of the Republic capital world (which Lucas wanted to call 'Had Abaddon', since 'Coruscant' was Zahn's idea).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Expanded_Universe#Lucas.27s_use_of_the_Expanded_Universe [wikipedia.org]

And fans of Thrawn yelled (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46849095)

Nooooooooo! But Abrams and Disney are probably right, so much of the expanded universe is awful. New jedi order, Luke turning to the darkside, Vader's glove, and every word ever written by Kevin J Anderson should all be burned. On the other hand, Zahn's Thrawn trilogy is so amazing that it deserves to be brought to the screen with the respect Jackson showed for LotR. Abrams seems incapable of respecting source material. He couldn't even maintain internal consistency in his own show! Speaking of which, when Hurley decides to go back in time and give the Star Wars script to Lucas, how does he know Lucas was the actual author? Because Lucas made the script into a movie? But he got the script from Hurley, so where did the Star Wars story originally come from before Hurley sold those stolen goods to Lucas? That's right, from Timothy Zahn. Oh, does this story not quite fit with what happened in Lost, should I have had more respect for the source material? Get over it.

Don't touch Master Kiwiiks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46849161)

I don't care if they wipe out the post-ROTJ stuff, but they better not mess with Master Kiwiiks. I will turn to the dark side and overthrow them.

What Makes Star Wars Work Is ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46849243)

What makes Star Wars work is:

(1) No time travel
(2) No time travel
(3) No time travel

For some reason, time travel has become the be-all and end-all trope of speculative fiction in comics, movies, and books. Star Wars works because this doesn't happen. Time travel is an overused cop-out by hacks who can't come up with a real plot or anything to say.

As long as the new movies don't have time travel, they'll be okay.

Not caring much either way it goes (1)

Blaskowicz (634489) | about 7 months ago | (#46849587)

Frankly, I had forgotten about the new movies before seeing that /. headline.

Let me guess, there will be space planes, robots, creatures and sword fights. I think I summed up the movie already.

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