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Australian Exploration Company Believes It May Have Found MH370 Wreckage

samzenpus posted about 3 months ago | from the maybe-this-time dept.

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First time accepted submitter NapalmV (1934294) writes "Using technology designed to find nuclear warheads and submarines, an Adelaide-based exploration company believes it may have located the wreckage of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370. 'The company, GeoResonance, says its research has identified elements on the ocean floor consistent with material from a plane. Six weeks have now passed since the plane disappeared and extensive searches in the Indian Ocean have failed to locate any wreckage.'"

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Does it make me a bad person... (5, Insightful)

Kenja (541830) | about 3 months ago | (#46860463)

that I simply don't care anymore? After weeks of CNN jumping at every bit of trash in the ocean, I simply do not care about this plane anymore. Toss a couple wreaths into the water and call it done.

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (5, Insightful)

magsol (1406749) | about 3 months ago | (#46860475)

I didn't stop caring; I just stopped watching CNN.

Truthfully, I stopped watching CNN years ago.

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (5, Interesting)

sconeu (64226) | about 3 months ago | (#46860521)

CNN's heyday was the First Gulf War. After that, it was all downhill.

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (3, Insightful)

OffTheLip (636691) | about 3 months ago | (#46860671)

About the same time CNN decided the news "reader" was the story rather than what was being read. Just because some guy climbs under a table in his hotel room while continuing to speak in frightened, hushed tones does not a great newsman make. Now they are all personalities.

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (4, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 3 months ago | (#46860817)

Yup. They act like Anderson Cooper is some sort of Doc Savage-ess superhero. It's nauseating, tiresome and profoundly uninformative. CNN sucks, and about the only thing it has going for it is that most network news in the US sucks, so it's more like a competitive contestant on the race to the bottom.

Agreed (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46860865)

CNN's heyday was the First Gulf War

Agreed. The way they laughed off the overwhelming probability that it was all about oil (i.e. profit) was just brilliant.

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46860751)

There is not a good left-leaning news channel out there. The American stations are all still too capitalist. BBC rocks, but in the US, the market is limited. My own carrier refuses to carry it -- likely because they get paid not to. RT is nice, but is too Russia-centric. Also, the American news channels are nothing but spin. I want nothing but news. I don't want what YOU think happened. the BBC does such a great job. I'm saddened I cannot get their TV channel.

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (5, Insightful)

jimminy_cricket (139648) | about 3 months ago | (#46860919)

Are not the sentences "There is not a good left-leaning news channel out there." and "Also, the American news channels are nothing but spin. I want nothing but news." in direct contradiction? Is not the very definition of "left-leaning" (or "right-leaning") equal to "spin"? If you desire spin-free news, you cannot also desire that it lean to the left (or right, or any other direction).

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46860965)

Not true, really. By spin, I mean how Fox attacks Obama incessantly rather than report. How MSNBC attacks the right for being right. I'm not a liberal. I'm a leftist. I don't want left spin. I want the news reported for left-leaning people on left ideas, left happenings, left progress, that sort of thing. India has this type of news, for example.

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (1, Troll)

dreamchaser (49529) | about 3 months ago | (#46861271)

Then you want news with a left spin. That's exactly what you describe.

"spin" implies falsehood, or at least bias (2)

Chirs (87576) | about 3 months ago | (#46861535)

While I agree that it would be best for everyone to get unbiased news across the political spectrum, there is a difference between leftist (or rightist) "news" and "spin".

To me, "spin" implies falsehood, or at least heavily biased reporting. On the other hand, it would be possible do completely unbiased reporting of news that is of interest to those on the left (or right).

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (1, Insightful)

Bartles (1198017) | about 3 months ago | (#46861349)

I'm not a liberal. I'm a leftist.

Finally, someone gets it and is now willing to admit it. You do realize that leftism requires a strong element of propaganda? You should just read Pravda and never go anywhere else.

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46860953)

Al Jazeera?

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (1, Flamebait)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about 3 months ago | (#46861007)

What's nice about the Kremlin propaganda channel RT? I find it totally useless since it's Putin's version of Fox News.

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46861225)

What's nice about the Kremlin propaganda channel RT? I find it totally useless since it's Putin's version of Fox News.

A channel that relentlessly bashes its president? I find that a little hard to believe Putin believes in freedom of speech quite that much.

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (1)

kyrsjo (2420192) | about 3 months ago | (#46861377)

I think they Jeff may have meant the "propaganda" property of both those channels.

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46861077)

There is not a good left-leaning news channel out there. The American stations are all still too capitalist. BBC rocks

I love this. I know the way it's written doesn't necessarily imply that the author believes the BBC is left-leaning, but it does come across that way. From your side of the pond I guess it probably is left-leaning by comparison to the range of news media you have available; the BBC charter, however, requires it to be politically independent, and it is monitored by OFWATCH to ensure neutrality.

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46861269)

He also implies there is a good right-leaning channel with that statement.

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (-1, Flamebait)

DigiShaman (671371) | about 3 months ago | (#46861111)

MSNBC. Done! Well actually, "good left-leaning news" is an oxymoron. Don't feel to bad.

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | about 3 months ago | (#46861367)

"There is not a good left-leaning news channel out there"
you are correct.
You also can not have a good right-leaning news channel.

Are you looking for news or propaganda you like?

Honestly try VOA. It seems to work the hardest to not be right or left leaning.

There's a reason for this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46861539)

"There is not a good left-leaning news channel out there. "

Because left-leaning thought is essentially intellectually bankrupt. It generally is poorly thought out, and the arguments boil down to an undefinable "fairness" issue. No facts or figures, just feelings and emotions.

Might as well put religious people in charge of the government. They are at least are honest that their thought process comes from faith, not reason.

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46860949)

I stopped watching after they went full on 24/7 sucking of Bush's dick. It was disgusting. The day he started office, after refusing to take the oath(aside: they refused to tell the truth about that!), they ran stories about "how cool the letter W is." Guess what, it isn't! One of you 'Mericans are five times more likely to be a racist and commit racial violence if you have one part of your name that starts with a W. That is why his kind shouldn't have ever been elected. CNN, of course, kept running one positive story after another. They never said one critical word about Bush. That is when everyone intelligent gave-up on them. The only audience they have left are the hard-core racist Republicans. The fact that you watched their racist crap for so long probably makes you a racist.

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46861001)

The W thing is interesting because most of the names starting with W are of British ancestry, and they are so racist and violent. At one time, they enslaved more than 1/4 of the world's population. Currently, Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Nations) estimates they are currently enslaving 2.245 people. That is a horror unlike any humanity has ever seen. The Republicans in the USA can only look at that horror with envy and jealously. That is what they want to emulate. That is why their worship of the British is so interesting.

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46861203)

Perhaps your mother cares whether or not you watch CNN, I doubt anyone else does.

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (4, Insightful)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 3 months ago | (#46860531)

that I simply don't care anymore?

Nah; heck, if not for the curiosity factor (loss of communications, stories about the 'weird' pilot, et. al), most people wouldn't have paid any more attention to it than any other plane crash.

If anything, that just shows that you don't have a vested interest in the search, just like 6.999 billion other humans.

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46860587)

It also shows a total lack of empathy and curiosity.
Typical of white people.

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46860631)

I'm Indian and I don't give a shit.

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (4, Insightful)

Kenja (541830) | about 3 months ago | (#46860677)

It also shows a total lack of empathy and curiosity. Typical of white people.

Around 154,889 die every day. How much time do you spend on each of them? Or do you lack empathy and curiosity?

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46860721)

It also shows a total lack of empathy and curiosity.
Typical of white people.

More like - Typical of selfish, self-absorbed people.

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46861169)

So why are you here? You should be sobbing over obituaries.

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46860761)

After it became apparent the plane didn't mysteriously land somewhere and the passengers were actually alive, I just didn't want to hear about it anymore. There's enough death and misery in the news. Then the South Korean ferry full of high school kids sank. As a parent of two kids, it makes me sick just thinking about that and I haven't even been reading the news since.

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (3, Funny)

lbmouse (473316) | about 3 months ago | (#46860763)

I agree. A few of them will find their way off the island anyways.

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (2)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about 3 months ago | (#46860795)

After weeks of CNN jumping at every bit of trash in the ocean, I simply do not care

Yes, the degree to which one TV show has either increased or decreased your concern on the matter, that is an issue you need to work on. It should be entirely irrelevant.

I plug '370' into Google News every few days and read a brief article on what's new. I'm interested to hear what happened, but systems failures are something of an esoteric interest of mine. I haven't had cable or satellite for years and the CNN live stream doesn't have any value to me. Last time I was at a relative's and they had it on it was all about Nancy Grace spouting self-righteous nonsense about some woman who killed her kids and non-stop ads for some sort of deodorant stick that you're supposed to put on your forehead if you got a headache. This told me to actively avoid CNN, not just casually avoid it.

Today's news search also had Stephen King spouting off about CNN and abandoning all the searches because of CNN's coverage. I just figured that guys who write horror for a living have to be a bit unhinged in the first place.

Anyway, nobody should allow themselves to be told what to care about by a television.

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (1)

mythosaz (572040) | about 3 months ago | (#46861157)

I check the Wikipedia article every few days, or at least when it bubbles to the top.

I actually find them to be a great source for ongoing events like MH370.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M... [wikipedia.org]

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46861505)

Yes, the degree to which one TV show has either increased or decreased your concern on the matter, that is an issue you need to work on. It should be entirely irrelevant.

But what about the degree to which being constantly bombarded with "we think we found the plane", regardless of source, has either increased or decreased their concern? Because that to me seemed to be the real "issue", with the part about where he was getting the news being completely irrelevant.

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46861369)

that I simply don't care anymore? After weeks of CNN jumping at every bit of trash in the ocean, I simply do not care about this plane anymore. Toss a couple wreaths into the water and call it done.

While 99.9999% of the rest of the world has the luxury of agreeing with you, those who have lost loved ones pretty much think you're one of the biggest pricks ever.

This isn't some fucking reality contest. Hundreds of lives were lost. At least try not to be such an insensitive dick about it. I know that's hard to do in our disposable society, but it's pretty fucking sad when we dispose of humans in our mind as quickly as yesterdays tweets.

I sure as hell hope you don't expect to be remembered after your passing with an attitude like that.

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (1)

neilo_1701D (2765337) | about 3 months ago | (#46861389)

Compassion Fatigue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassion_fatigue) is a very real thing. With saturation media coverage of almost any event, it's very easy to become somewhat jaded about events in the world.

It doesn't make you a bad person; but recognizing what you are feeling and not taking steps to stop this from happening again (eg. by switching off the 24/7 news and going to play a game with your dog outside in the sun) does mark you as a bit of a tragic. We all know the types who live for the next mass tragedy so they can lament the world. Don't become one of them.

Re:Does it make me a bad person... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46861447)

My favorite recent CNN moment, from a few weeks ago, was them sending a reporter to do a "reader's choice" piece on the plight of the pangolin in Vietnam and Indonesia. After writing an extremely long article reporting on how organized crime rings from China are paying farmers to hunt the pangolins and send them to China for use in traditional medicine, the reporter then started promoting a bunch of pangolin-related causes the readers could donate their money to (one was a public service announcement telling people not to hunt the pangolins, and another was donations to a pangolin refuge in Vietnam). The second of those was where the hilarity started.

As part of the donations to the pangolin refuge, the readers got to name one of the pangolins there. They picked "Sandshrew" (even though the pokemon of the same name is basically an armadillo) and the people from the refuge attached a tracking collar to the animal so they could provide daily "news" updates about the pangolin's status (PANGOLIN WATCH 2014).

About two days afterward, the pangolin managed to loosen its tracking collar to the point where it fell off, and apparently escaped into the wild. They never found it, and chances are it became dinner for a rich person in China. I'm pretty sure CNN themselves donated money to this thing and were banking on all the ad revenue that PANGOLIN WATCH 2014 was going to bring in.

jim stone (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46860493)

There is absolutely no doubt that flight 370 was electronically hijacked and flown through the Maldives and on to Diego Garcia. There is also no doubt that there was a plan to use at least the image of flight 370 to crash the nuclear summit in Belgium and blame it on Iran, and that the Dutch intercepted the crash craft before it arrived. This report is documented accurate. There will be a lot here, briefly discussed that you have not seen before. If you were looking for a concise report that will give a clear picture, this sums it all up.

Re:jim stone (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46860505)

shut up, faggot

Re:jim stone (4, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 3 months ago | (#46860525)

Your analysis intrigues me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Re:jim stone (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 3 months ago | (#46860833)

You'd better learn the secret handshake, then. Otherwise they'll think your a New World Order mole preparing to sell them out to the United Nations and the Illuminati.

Re:jim stone (1)

davester666 (731373) | about 3 months ago | (#46861023)

The real question is why did the airline let Waldo and Carmen Sandiego on the plane!

Re:jim stone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46861223)

Because they had fake passports, duh!

Re:jim stone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46861335)

The got in via the wheel wells

Re:jim stone (1)

kyrsjo (2420192) | about 3 months ago | (#46860555)

You have a very different standard of "absolutely no doubt" than do I.

Other than that, I'm sure Tom Clancy would have digged your story.

Re:jim stone (1)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | about 3 months ago | (#46861281)

Other than that, I'm sure Tom Clancy would have digged your story.

I'm curious - what's your native language? I've not seen "digged" in place of "dug" before....

Re:jim stone (1)

Mr D from 63 (3395377) | about 3 months ago | (#46860637)

Or maybe this [blogspot.com] is what they've found?

silly troll, there was no flight 370 (2)

swschrad (312009) | about 3 months ago | (#46861199)

it's all a made-for-TV movie. you are not an extra, no $100.

Re:jim stone (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | about 3 months ago | (#46861409)

It is impossible to post anything on the internet that is so crazy that nobody believe it.
David's first law of the Internet.

For real this time? (2)

ketomax (2859503) | about 3 months ago | (#46860513)

What about the pings they received near the current search area? It was said to be consistent with that of a black box. With all the contradictory news around, I don't think I can believe this until they have proof for sure.

Re:For real this time? (1)

rubycodez (864176) | about 3 months ago | (#46860753)

error of location a couple hundred kilometers off or more is possible with complex thermocline conditions

Re:For real this time? (5, Informative)

PPH (736903) | about 3 months ago | (#46860839)

Yes. The next step I'd take is to dip a 37 kHz pinger down to the bottom at a number of locations, measure the received audio signature and build an acoustic model of the area. Then run the actual pinger data back through the model and generate a probability map of where it might be located.

Only problem with this approach: thermoclines change. And we don't have good models for how they do.

Re:For real this time? (5, Informative)

OneAhead (1495535) | about 3 months ago | (#46860825)

The pings are relatively hard evidence because nothing else could have made them (except, for the conspiracy theorists among us, a submarine deliberately spoofing the signal emitted by black boxes). Also, they are consistent with the satellite data. Finding chemical elements that are used in the construction of airplanes off the coast of Bangladesh, which is very polluted and in a general area where ships are being scrapped on the beaches? Neither hard evidence nor consistent. Free advertisement for GeoResonance, that's all what this is.

Re:For real this time? (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 3 months ago | (#46861101)

If the "elements" are iron and aluminum, in addition to the usual assortment of C, H etc. in plastics, then we're thoroughly [wikipedia.org] screwed [wikipedia.org] .

And they found the comparatively puny airplane in the Bay of Bengal's average depth of 2.6 km? Why the hell aren't we using this super-advanced sensing technology to locate (massive) enemy submarines?

What is this, the tenth time? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46860553)

Australian companies have proven themselves to be complete assholes. One after another keeps spouting the lie that they found the plane. Every one of them so far has been proven a fraud. The people here are no better since I’ve never heard a single one of my friends demand that these dishonest business men be put in prison. I am ashamed of my country. We are an embarrassment.

Re:What is this, the tenth time? (2)

FirstNoel (113932) | about 3 months ago | (#46861279)

Don't be. Australia is an awesome country. Assholes are everywhere. Anytime there is a disaster, the snake-oil salesmen will be out in force to huck their miracle cures.

I'll believe it when I see them bring up something (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46860559)

I'll believe it when I see them bring up something. Until then I think people with divining rods have just as much credibility.

In Bay of Bengal. (1)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | about 3 months ago | (#46860565)

So it is not going to be Amelia Earhart either. Dang it.

CNN is hoping against hope it aint true. It would not know how to fight the withdrawal symptoms if "370 vanishes" story vanishes.

So what? (2)

PvtVoid (1252388) | about 3 months ago | (#46860571)

Big deal. Courtney love says she found it, too [facebook.com] . I think her diagram might be even better.

Re:So what? (5, Funny)

PPH (736903) | about 3 months ago | (#46860767)

Courtney Love did indeed spot wreckage. But she was looking in a mirror.

Re:So what? (1)

NoImNotNineVolt (832851) | about 3 months ago | (#46861033)

She may have had her moments, but right now you're the one being an ass.

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46861423)

She may have had her moments, but right now you're the one being an ass.

Most people's "moments" don't last decades.

He's not being an ass as much as you're delusional about her former or current mental state.

hasn't the recent focus shifted... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46860645)

To that boat that sorta, but not completely, sank near south Korea or China?

Cause I forgot all about that plane.

Re:hasn't the recent focus shifted... (1)

dugancent (2616577) | about 3 months ago | (#46860683)

It's on the seafloor now.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyli... [nbcnews.com]

Re: hasn't the recent focus shifted... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46860723)

Ah, I hadn't heard that. I saw a few stories on it and it was rotated in the water and they said near 200 people died.

Tech used? (2)

Alsee (515537) | about 3 months ago | (#46860659)

Does anyone have any info on what sort of tech this company is using? From the little info in the article I get the impression they are using satellite images? I'm rather skeptical that surface images can pick up elemental signals from the sea floor at substantial depth.

-

Re:Tech used? (4, Informative)

fremsley471 (792813) | about 3 months ago | (#46860849)

They are using a vary basic form of technology called bullshit. 100%, unrefined. It's impossible to do what they say from 'satellite images'. If they had a large fleet of low-flying aircraft with extraordinarily sensitive magnetometers, it may just be possible. From orbit? Complete and utter bollocks.

Re:Tech used? (1)

IronChef (164482) | about 3 months ago | (#46861459)

I took a look at their site, and it seems like their technology is too good to be true... it's Star Trek class.

http://georesonance.com/ [georesonance.com]

So close to the shore (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46860663)

In the Bay of Bengal? One of the most polluted areas of ocean imaginable? The area where ships and planes are scrapped? My money is on a false positive.

Reality? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46860715)

So let me get this straight, the company is called Georesonance, their technology is called large-scale remote sensing, and their specialty is locating nuclear warheads? Could they possibly cram any more hoaxy-sounding buzzwords in there? To top that off, if the technology was real, you'd think we'd heard of them before and they'd have loads of imitators. You can hardly blame the official searchers if they don't follow up on this lead, although I guess looking there and finding nothing would be quite public humiliation for the company. On the other hand you've got the whole "We're not saying it's there, we're just saying there's something there" and that they can always tell them to look harder...

Re:Reality? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46861013)

In fact, I went and looked on their references, the closest to this task seems to be their claim of finding the sunken hospital ship Armenia in the Black Sea in 2005. A quick Googling on it turns out a 2013 interview of archeologists STILL seeking the ship Armenia [ukrinform.ua] . So I think we can safely call this hoax debunked.

Re:Reality? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46861127)

They must be crap, they haven't found the metric fuckton of nuclear warheads I keep in my basement against the event of a mutant alien zombie apocalypse. So-called preppers, I mock you :)

Re:Reality? (2)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 3 months ago | (#46861147)

Not only that, note this juicy bit:

Scientists focused their efforts north of the flight’s last known location, using over 20 technologies to analyse the data including a nuclear reactor.

How exactly do you use a nuclear reactor in precision remote sensing of metals through two kilometers of water is a mystery to me. Oh, did they say analyze? They must have some kind of nucleonic computer to process the data instead of our ordinary electronic ones, I presume. That would make sense, of course you'd need a nuclear reactor for that, right?

Re:Reality? (1)

Megane (129182) | about 3 months ago | (#46861277)

How exactly do you use a nuclear reactor in precision remote sensing of metals through two kilometers of water is a mystery to me.

It's probably got something to do with homeopathy.

Re:Reality? (2)

EvanED (569694) | about 3 months ago | (#46861525)

Nah, everyone who believes in homeopathy knew the truth right away: you just have to wait a while for the plane to diffuse around, and then even a teaspoon of ocean water will contain enough black box information to solve the mystery. That the "disappearance" hasn't been solved yet is just continuing evidence of the establishment's biases against reality.

Re:Reality? (1)

Ichijo (607641) | about 3 months ago | (#46861457)

How exactly do you use a nuclear reactor in precision remote sensing of metals through two kilometers of water is a mystery to me.

With electricity generated by the nuclear reactor, of course! Come on, that wasn't even hard.

Oops. Our bad... (4, Funny)

funwithBSD (245349) | about 3 months ago | (#46860737)

It was just some guy and his lady in a 30's prop job on the bottom of the ocean.

Re:Oops. Our bad... (1)

bobbied (2522392) | about 3 months ago | (#46861173)

LOL, Only if Noonan and Earhart both manged to fly west when they should have been going east.. Then there is the matter of the Itasca actually receiving voice signals from Earhart... But hey, we can dream.

This company is about as credible here as if they made your claim..

I am just amazed at the total lack of wreckage (1)

Stan92057 (737634) | about 3 months ago | (#46860757)

I am just amazed at the total lack of wreckage. I mean, none has been found. With the technology we have on the ocean currents something should have been found. Makes me think it wasn't a full fledged crash maybe they landed and then sunk. At any rate i feel for the familys they would like closure as i would.

Re:I am just amazed at the total lack of wreckage (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46860867)

If it had gone down at speed, there'd at least be enough floating debris to have been spotted by now (guessing). Which makes me wonder if a distraught pilot pulled a Sully Sullenberger and landed it safely on the water - and then let it sink intact. Or nosed it into a mountainside. All options make me wonder why a transponder has an "off" switch.

Re:I am just amazed at the total lack of wreckage (1)

Richy_T (111409) | about 3 months ago | (#46861137)

But not wonder enough to actually take five minutes to find out why?

Re:I am just amazed at the total lack of wreckage (4, Informative)

T.E.D. (34228) | about 3 months ago | (#46860943)

I am just amazed at the total lack of wreckage. I mean, none has been found. With the technology we have

To horrendously misquote Douglas Adams:

The ocean is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to the ocean.

Re:I am just amazed at the total lack of wreckage (1)

Jason Levine (196982) | about 3 months ago | (#46861207)

So what you're saying is that the Vogons destroyed Flight 370?

Re:I am just amazed at the total lack of wreckage (1)

bobbied (2522392) | about 3 months ago | (#46861313)

I am just amazed at the total lack of wreckage. I mean, none has been found. With the technology we have on the ocean currents something should have been found. Makes me think it wasn't a full fledged crash maybe they landed and then sunk. At any rate i feel for the familys they would like closure as i would.

As light as airplanes are, they are generally really bad at floating for long periods, especially if they have not been properly ditched and didn't stay structurally intact. If you can keep the pressure hull from being breached, they are generally airtight, but if break off the tail or something, you will leave gaping holes and it will sink pretty quick.

IMHO, This aircraft hit the water, generally stayed together, but was structurally damaged enough to sink quickly. When they find it (and I'm fairly sure they will eventually) it will be in two or more large pieces but largely together. The pieces will be scattered on the ocean floor, perhaps miles apart. It is a total shame the Malaysian government and the airline wasted so much time looking in the wrong places. Now the batteries are gone and it's going to take a LOT of effort to find this thing. But like the Titanic, they will eventually find it.

Physics Rules! (3, Interesting)

BoRegardless (721219) | about 3 months ago | (#46860791)

Using sensors which can pick signatures over time (bother before and after the crash) of various metals, like aluminum, titanium and steel (radiation as in spectrophotomry), sounds like the type of info you need. Getting it out of satellite info from orbit is a bit of a surprise to me.

What this indicated, from the article, to me is that the military has far higher capabilities than I ever thought.

Re:Physics Rules! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46861355)

What this indicated, from the article, to me is that the military has far higher capabilities than I ever thought.

Turns out tracking metals is a handy way of tracking enemy armed forces.

What I don't get... (1)

jeffy210 (214759) | about 3 months ago | (#46860815)

is all of those people who are saying that people are searching in the wrong area using uncorroborated data. Is this a last ditch want of hope from people, or is there something seriously scientifically missed? And if the latter, why are they searching where they are?

*I* may have found MH370 wreckage (2, Insightful)

T.E.D. (34228) | about 3 months ago | (#46860855)

I just looked in my trashcan here at work, an I may have found MH370 wreckage. Almost certainly I have not, but still I may have.

Until confirmed one way or the other, CNN should really send a team over to my office to report on the movements of the neighborhood dogs.

Here's the news story I want to see.... (1)

i_want_you_to_throw_ (559379) | about 3 months ago | (#46861027)

In light of MH 370, all aircraft are required to stream their black box and GPS data into the cloud. It's amazing how in this day and technological age that this can actually happen.

Re:Here's the news story I want to see.... (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 3 months ago | (#46861143)

Technically, it is certainly possible to do.

Practically, it's too expensive to justify. It isn't like planes drop from the sky all of the time. You would need a number of expensive satellites, additional expensive equipment in the aircraft, computers and other bits and pieces to put it all together. You will probably see some politician suggest this ('think of the children...") but it won't go anywhere.

Re:Here's the news story I want to see.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46861387)

They cannot a stream all the flight data information for all the aircraft in flight through the existing satellites. It would be nice if they just streamed their location at all times, but I know how this goes. "They" will argue for the next 14 years over what data is critical and not critical, then the year 2038 clock bug will hit and all the planes will fall out of the sky at the same time.

Hmmm. On the edge of possibility... (1)

Captain_Chaos (103843) | about 3 months ago | (#46861159)

That is close to the northernmost one of the two arcs that Inmarsat deduced the last ping must have come from, so I guess it's not entirely implausible.

It doesn't seem likely to me that the plane would still be completely intact though, which seems to be implicit in this article. If it fell out of the sky due to lack of fuel, which currently seems the most likely scenario, it would have impacted the water at high speed and would surely have broken up.

Re:Hmmm. On the edge of possibility... (1)

burni2 (1643061) | about 3 months ago | (#46861341)

If you draw a line between the last civilian radar contact and the
last military contact

CIVIL 6Â 55â 15â N, 103Â 34â 43â E
MIL 5Â 40â 50â N, 98Â 56â 27â E

You would extrapolate to the bay of bengal.

But: Airplanes when they are out of fuel do not "fall" out of the sky.

Like airgliders these aircraft have the ability to enter a glide path, if you don't stall the aircraft. Also a water landing where the hull mostly remains intact is possible however as soon as an engine nacelle hits the surface and gets submerged the aircraft would capsize (there is a video from a big passenger airplane crashed in the mid 90s you can find it on youtube)

I'm not familiar with the autonomous systems of the 777 but for a modern autopilot to enter a glide path as a last option as a failover would be a better idea other than to stall the aircraft and falling out of the sky.

Re:Hmmm. On the edge of possibility... (1)

kyrsjo (2420192) | about 3 months ago | (#46861471)

I think that crash you've seen on video was made much worse by one of the hijackers deciding to start a wrestling fight with the pilot just before touchdown.

Simple solution: Call India for Help! (1)

burni2 (1643061) | about 3 months ago | (#46861217)

From the images I saw the grid they use is pretty fine,
if shape and grid do really conform each other, then the resolution is approx 100mx100m so the position in this grid is also very detailed. WikiP-tells me The water depth is "4694 " at max and
2600m average.

This is not so challenging, also the Indian Navy(submarine+sub hunters) operates in these waters so the best address to transfer the coordinates to is India. If they could check the deep sea surface there with sonar imaging.

hard Result: Positive or Negative

Pseudoscience? (2)

Captain_Chaos (103843) | about 3 months ago | (#46861267)

I'm not convinced about the scientific integrity of this company. What they claim to be able to do sounds very vague, shady and too good to be true and there's a telling lack of concrete facts about how their technique works. The "learn more about GeoResonance technology" page is conveniently "under construction". The brief summary states they use:

  • Earth Remote Sensing.
  • Multispectral imaging.
  • Gamma irradiation.
  • Radiation chemistry.
  • NMR spectroscopy.
  • Proprietary know-how.

Sounds a lot like pseudoscientific technobabble to me, absent more details. I'm getting a hint of Steorn here...

Re:Pseudoscience? (1)

kyrsjo (2420192) | about 3 months ago | (#46861443)

I came here to say the same - the homepage of GeoResonance is *extremely* light on the technology they use, which mostly sounds like some kind of remote NMR. But how do they excite a signal, and how do they detect it? Also, most of the images they show seems to be super-coarse spatial resolution, useful for finding oil and minerals, but not so much a plane on the oceanfloor.

Finally, even if they had the data, how would they find a tiny signal in their apparently huge dataset which just accidentally happened to cover the area of interest?

I also found this thread:
https://www.metabunk.org/threa... [metabunk.org]

I also think this smells like pseudoscience.

Re:Pseudoscience? (1)

burni2 (1643061) | about 3 months ago | (#46861469)

Earth Remote Sensing = using sattellite sensors (different sensors)

Multispectral imaging = common you combine data from sensors that have different spectra, like overlaying an RGB CCC with data from a thermal imaging sensor .. (Predator)

Gamma irradiation = yes possible, during cold war the US sent satelites into the orbit search for gamma ray bursts (which you would expect from a nuclear test) and they found many because the REDS tested their nukes in far away galaxies, just kidding extra terrestrial Quasaroids were the source

I cannot however say if you can detect the small amount of primary or secondary gamma radiation from an enclosed nuclear warhead especially when submerged under water.

Radiation Chemistry = common, C14, isotope analysis etc..

NMR spectroscopy = exists, however it is ment to analyse
for molecules

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