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Polio Causes Global Health Emergency

Soulskill posted about 7 months ago | from the polio-2:-the-revenge dept.

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mdsolar (1045926) sends this news from Bloomberg: "The spread of polio to countries previously considered free of the crippling disease is a global health emergency, the World Health Organization said, as the virus once driven to the brink of extinction mounts a comeback. Pakistan, Cameroon and Syria pose the greatest risk of exporting the virus to other countries, and should ensure that residents have been vaccinated before they travel, the Geneva-based WHO said in a statement today after a meeting of its emergency committee. It's only the second time the United Nations agency has declared a public health emergency of international concern, after the 2009 influenza pandemic. Polio has resurged as military conflicts from Sudan to Pakistan disrupt vaccination campaigns, giving the virus a toehold. The number of cases reached a record low of 223 globally in 2012 and jumped to 417 last year, according to the WHO. There have been 74 cases this year, including 59 in Pakistan, during what is usually polio's 'low season,' the WHO said. "

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the polio vaccine causes cancer (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46932909)

don't take it

Re:the polio vaccine causes cancer (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46932959)

Not cancer - autism (if you're in the USA) or Sterility elsewhere.

No cancer (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46933037)

Admits the CDC:

http://www.naturalnews.com/041345_cdc_polio_vaccine_sv40.html

Stop twisting facts.

Not CDC, quacks (4, Informative)

John3 (85454) | about 7 months ago | (#46933119)

CDC made no such admission. http://www.skepticalraptor.com... [skepticalraptor.com] Stop citing rumor websites.

LOL skepticalraptor? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46933163)

yeah.. that site is credible.

I'll take the retracted officially cached CDC pages over "skepticalraptor's" blog.

LOL...pages not found (4, Informative)

John3 (85454) | about 7 months ago | (#46933335)

Yeah, a page with a total of two links, both broken, is far more credible than a blog post with over 50 links to medical and scientific articles, journals, studies, and stories.

And what's not to trust about naturalnews.com, a site that links over and over again to articles and sources on naturalnews.com?

Re:LOL...pages not found (1)

Em Adespoton (792954) | about 7 months ago | (#46933417)

Yeah, a page with a total of two links, both broken, is far more credible than a blog post with over 50 links to medical and scientific articles, journals, studies, and stories.

And what's not to trust about naturalnews.com, a site that links over and over again to articles and sources on naturalnews.com?

Naturally... they're a news site! Original Journalism, the Natural way!

Re:LOL skepticalraptor? (1)

AK Marc (707885) | about 7 months ago | (#46934365)

What cached page? Both links are broken. There is no cache linked to.

Re:LOL skepticalraptor? (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 7 months ago | (#46935733)

Randall, it's OK to log in.

Re:No cancer (4, Informative)

tomhath (637240) | about 7 months ago | (#46933179)

Stop twisting facts.

Oh really? That article notes that from 1955 to 1963 the vaccine might have been contaminated with a virus that might cause cancer.

To say that the vaccine "causes" cancer (present tense) is blatantly false.

Go ahead. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46933249)

Take something that might cause yourself cancer then. All the more reason to take a huge load of it in your veins.

You are pretty smart!

Re: Go ahead. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46933797)

Who's taking Polio vaccine intravenously? I thought it was usually administered orally.

Re: Go ahead. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46935253)

Boosters are often administered orally. I'd bet the Big-C AC is thinking those shots must be taken anally and vaginally instead, with a big dildo, laced with HPV.

Re:Go ahead. (1)

AK Marc (707885) | about 7 months ago | (#46934375)

I've heard people say sugar causes cancer as well. And I still take sugar.

Re:Go ahead. (2)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | about 7 months ago | (#46934507)

It is suspected that distilled water also causes cancer. More research is needed, but the scientists are still fighting over the formulation of the non-distilled 'dirty' water to use for the control group.

Re:Go ahead. (1)

AK Marc (707885) | about 7 months ago | (#46934635)

DHMO has a warning page all to itself. We've yet to see a case of cancer that didn't have prior DHMO use.

you mean like grilled meat? (1)

publiclurker (952615) | about 7 months ago | (#46935507)

I do on a regular basis. Even for a troll, you are pretty pathetic.

Re:the polio vaccine causes cancer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46932999)

No silly, it's a plot by the CIA to sterilize your children; don't take it.

GOODTIMES will give you Dutch elm disease (3, Informative)

Thud457 (234763) | about 7 months ago | (#46933359)

That's crazy conspiracy talk [theatlantic.com]

CIA operatives should be flogged... (4, Insightful)

Firethorn (177587) | about 7 months ago | (#46933669)

Every time I read about that I want to flog the CIA operatives that thought that up.

I mean, couldn't they have given out the REAL vaccine while they were at it? Or better yet, followed the rules of war and NOT imitated medical personnel?

Re:CIA operatives should be flogged... (0)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | about 7 months ago | (#46934543)

Good luck getting the Taliban to follow said 'rules of war' and stop killing health care workers.

Oh that's right, in your worldview they are 'dumb savages' who can't be held accountable. It's, like, totally the CIA's fault.

Re:CIA operatives should be flogged... (3, Insightful)

Sabriel (134364) | about 7 months ago | (#46935581)

Er, actually? Yes, the CIA deciding to flout the rules is indeed the CIA's fault.

Otherwise, what's the point of fighting the Taliban, if not to protect the innocent and uphold the rule of law?

Re:CIA operatives should be flogged... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46935383)

Or better yet, followed the rules of war and NOT imitated medical personnel?

They used real doctors, which IMO is even worse.

Re:CIA operatives should be flogged... (1)

compro01 (777531) | about 7 months ago | (#46935703)

Rather than flogging, I have a better idea for their punishment.

They should be sent out to distribute actual vaccines, in the worst areas..

Re:the polio vaccine causes cancer (1)

Cyberax (705495) | about 7 months ago | (#46934777)

I can haz sterilization without surgery? Where can I get some of this vaccine, please?

But, but, but⦠autism!!1!11! (5, Insightful)

the_humeister (922869) | about 7 months ago | (#46932951)

Fuck you Jenny McCarthy and your anti-vax followers.

Re:But, but, but⦠autism!!1!11! (5, Funny)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 7 months ago | (#46933031)

Fuck you Jenny McCarthy

I wouldn't do that. What if you catch something? Especially something preventable with vaccination!

Re:But, but, but⦠autism!!1!11! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46933159)

Hey bigmouth: You're being called out (why're you running "forrest"?) http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

Re:But, but, but⦠autism!!1!11! (1)

kruach aum (1934852) | about 7 months ago | (#46933215)

Ironically, they don't make vaccines for idiocy.

Re:But, but, but⦠autism!!1!11! (1)

ackthpt (218170) | about 7 months ago | (#46933419)

Ironically, they don't make vaccines for idiocy.

Sure they do, it's called a Guillotine. Problem is, we don't use it.

it's simple cause and effect

Re:But, but, but⦠autism!!1!11! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46933723)

Fuck you Jenny McCarthy

I wouldn't do that. What if you catch something? Especially something preventable with vaccination!

Well, vapid stupidity isn't contagious.

Is it?

What's wrong?

I dunno. I fucked Jenny McCarthy, and now my dick is making noises like an autistic elephant afflicted with Tourette syndrome.

Oh, man, I feel for you. You got STUPID ASS DICK. Next, your ass is gonna start babbling about the evils of the pharmaceutical industry.

Re:But, but, but⦠autism!!1!11! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46933767)

The antivaxers are starting to recognize their autism argument is debunked, they are coming up with other reasons now. Vaccines cause sids, trying to rope in Pandas, all this utter garbage. It has become an I will do what I want with my kids!

Re:But, but, but⦠autism!!1!11! (1)

Deep Esophagus (686515) | about 7 months ago | (#46933231)

I don't disagree that the anti-vaxxers constitute a health hazard in the US, but how are they responsible for outbreaks in Pakistan, Cameroon and Syria?

Re:But, but, but⦠autism!!1!11! (2)

geekoid (135745) | about 7 months ago | (#46933311)

Because the efforts are global, and the feed into other anti-vaxxers, as well as fund them.

Re:But, but, but⦠autism!!1!11! (0)

operagost (62405) | about 7 months ago | (#46933413)

[citation needed]

Always a conspiracy theory with the anti-nutter nutters.

Re:But, but, but⦠autism!!1!11! (2)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 7 months ago | (#46933681)

Because the efforts are global, and the feed into other anti-vaxxers, as well as fund them.

Right, because misogynistic societies like Pakistan and Syria have a long history of giving a fuck what women have to say...

Oh, not just women, but hedonistic Western women. Who became famous for sexual exploits.

Yea, sure, that's the ticket... [yahoo.com]

Re:But, but, but⦠autism!!1!11! (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 7 months ago | (#46935065)

I can see them all huddled around a TV screen saying "this is just utterly obscene and filthy, back it up a bit and show that part again."

Re:But, but, but⦠autism!!1!11! (2)

AK Marc (707885) | about 7 months ago | (#46934399)

No, it's the CIA [theatlantic.com] that's responsible, not the anti-vaxxers.

Re:But, but, but⦠autism!!1!11! (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 7 months ago | (#46935059)

The anti-vaxxers are not one unified community. There have been groups in third world countries that have been suspicious about western medicines and programs of innoculations. Ie, rumors that it's a government plot to infect people with HIV, stuff like that. And of course, because it was a doctor pretending to do door to door vaccination that was used to track down bin Laden, that put a big setback to vaccination in parts of Pakistan.

Re:But, but, but⦠autism!!1!11! (1)

operagost (62405) | about 7 months ago | (#46933339)

Because I'm sure that villagers in Sudan go to former Playboy Playmates for their medical advice.

Re:But, but, but⦠autism!!1!11! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46933493)

Fuck you too. I hope you regularly take acetaminophen and aspartame as well as all of your 'shots'. I hope you die a weird
and painful death as some vital enzyme of yours is silenced by either GMO or vaccines, such as say glucocerebrosidase.
Without this enzyme metabolic waste accumulates in the cells of your brain, spleen, liver and kidneys and no "Doctor"
will ever care enough to figure out what's happening to you. They'll probably call it AIDS especially if you're a faggot as
I believe you are. Die a lot and cry a lot while you're at it, slowly and painfully over time, scum.

Re: But, but, but⦠autism!!1!11! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46933829)

Is that mix of anti-science hysteria and homophobia a USA thing? European antivax nuts at least tend to be more queer friendly.

Re:But, but, but⦠autism!!1!11! (1)

Ol Olsoc (1175323) | about 7 months ago | (#46934393)

Fuck you too. I hope you regularly take acetaminophen and aspartame as well as all of your 'shots'. I hope you die a weird and painful death as some vital enzyme of yours is silenced by either GMO or vaccines, such as say glucocerebrosidase. Without this enzyme metabolic waste accumulates in the cells of your brain, spleen, liver and kidneys and no "Doctor" will ever care enough to figure out what's happening to you. They'll probably call it AIDS especially if you're a faggot as I believe you are. Die a lot and cry a lot while you're at it, slowly and painfully over time, scum.

All I know is that if vaccines cause whatever the hell is wrong with you - no one wants that crap.

Re:But, but, but⦠autism!!1!11! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46933759)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine#Iatrogenic_.28vaccine-induced.29_polio

Have a nice read.

Re:But, but, but⦠autism!!1!11! (1)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | about 7 months ago | (#46934139)

In the case of polio, it is religion and the religious, not anti-vaxers.

antivaxxers, kill, mame, burn (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46933029)

those bastards are persistent and need to be eradicated, the bull shit they come up with to avoid vaccinating their kids is epic. They are starting to knowledge that autism is not caused by vaccines but they have come up with other bull. The newest one seems to be that vaccines cause SIDS, they wont produce any info on this and I have googled away and the only thing I find is reference to a settlement given by a vaccine company in a case of lupus in a child (they state this is proof the vaccine caused sids (hep b vax). You will never convince them. Another anecdote from my practice, I had a mom who got a settlement for her childs seizures years ago from a vaccine company. No one had worked up the seizures at the time and a settlement got awarded, something was definitely wrong, after extensive workup half her brain was congenitally absent. Take your bullshit with a grain of salt, they only way things will get better is if we actively promote vaccines and go out of our way to debunk this crap!

Re:antivaxxers, kill, mame, burn (1)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | about 7 months ago | (#46934391)

So is it the whole anti--west Islamic world you want to exterminate? That isn't very tolerant of you. Sure, they're homophobe misogynists, too, but we need to be diverse!

Any slap on the wrist for the CIA? (5, Insightful)

ChilyWily (162187) | about 7 months ago | (#46933035)

It did not help that the CIA had a DNA collection, excuse me, "Intelligence gathering" operative working as a Doctor in one of the countries where the problem is the worst. Now health workers are getting assaulted and the poor who could get vaccinated, are without.

Re:Any slap on the wrist for the CIA? (4, Insightful)

mirix (1649853) | about 7 months ago | (#46933199)

Yep, this has to be one of the dumber plans the CIA has come up with. We were getting pretty close to entirely wiping out a second disease (after smallpox), and they had to go and screw it up to 'find terrists' or some such.

Surely polio has killed and maimed more people than terrorists could dream of.

Re:Any slap on the wrist for the CIA? (1)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | about 7 months ago | (#46934137)

The Taliban was actively campaigning against vaccinations well before the CIA used a local doctor to collect DNA under the guise of hep B vaccinations.

It didn't help however the idea it was a turning point is sadly mistaken.

Re:Any slap on the wrist for the CIA? (4, Insightful)

sjames (1099) | about 7 months ago | (#46934309)

If only. The CIA took the Pakistani equivalent of the tinfoil hat brigade and elevated them by proving their point nearly to the letter.

Thanks to them, any denial now is at best a half truth and will be seen through. No assurances will be enough to erase suspicion now.

Re:Any slap on the wrist for the CIA? (1)

Goaway (82658) | about 7 months ago | (#46935155)

Well, yes, that is why the CIA should have known to NOT FUCKING DO THAT.

But no. Let's give the crazies solid proof of what used to be conspiracy theories.

Re:Any slap on the wrist for the CIA? (0)

tranquilidad (1994300) | about 7 months ago | (#46933243)

What didn't happen was some asshat's desire to demonstrate his knowledge of "inside knowledge" outweighed the oath he or she took to keep their mouth(s) shut.

It wasn't the method that was used to gather the intelligence that caused the problem, it was the disclosure of that method.

Re:Any slap on the wrist for the CIA? (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 7 months ago | (#46933469)

No, using that means to gather intelligence is the issue. IT's bad, and it undermines the basic trust for people trying to care for people and p[rovide care.

The fact that they got caught isn't why it was bad.

Re:Any slap on the wrist for the CIA? (4, Insightful)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about 7 months ago | (#46934897)

Exactly. This is why it's a war crime to disguise combat troops or spies as medics. The GP's mindset is like the NSA's, that no action is too horrific as long a you don't get caught, potential consequences be damned.

Re:Any slap on the wrist for the CIA? (5, Insightful)

Em Adespoton (792954) | about 7 months ago | (#46933525)

What didn't happen was some asshat's desire to demonstrate his knowledge of "inside knowledge" outweighed the oath he or she took to keep their mouth(s) shut.

It wasn't the method that was used to gather the intelligence that caused the problem, it was the disclosure of that method.

Right... just like it isn't your fault if you lose business because you're selling clothes that don't actually exist -- it's the fault of the intern who broke his contract to tell people that they weren't wearing any clkothes.

Shoot the messenger much?

I'm sorry, but I'll take asshat with integrity over government operation that compromises global health integrity any day.

After all, what's the problem if there's nothing to hide?

Also: Doctors also take an oath. This one broke his oath before any other alleged oathbreaking took place (I pledge to uphold the Constitution trumps gag orders/NDAs, the Hippocratic oath trumps both).

Re:Any slap on the wrist for the CIA? (1)

sjames (1099) | about 7 months ago | (#46934349)

Just like it's not robbing the bank that was the problem, it was getting caught? Shoplifting is all good as long as you get away with it?

Re:Any slap on the wrist for the CIA? (1)

DarkOx (621550) | about 7 months ago | (#46935169)

Right, Their completely unethical behavior had nothing to do with the problem.

Much of medical and any profession is about trust; what the CIA did is violate that trust they had credentialed doctors saying one thing while doing another. The were perpetrating FRAUD, and you are arguing the problem is they got caught.

Re:Any slap on the wrist for the CIA? (3, Interesting)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 7 months ago | (#46933265)

I'd advocate the 'poetic justice' approach myself.

A nice relaxing life sentence inside an iron lung would give the responsible parties plenty of time to think over the fact that the CIA's most serious targets, much less its biggest successfully averted incidents, are total chickenshit compared to what public health people (along with contemporary sanitation infrastructure) work to keep at bay.

Re:Any slap on the wrist for the CIA? (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 7 months ago | (#46933481)

sadly it would be their kids and grand kids that suffer, not the people spreading the lies.

Re:Any slap on the wrist for the CIA? (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 7 months ago | (#46935085)

Oh, I was referring to the CIA agents who were so myopic and/or ethically disinhibited as to compromise the fight against a rather nasty disease just to score a DNA sample. That's far worse than common murder.

The locals who are directly attacking health workers also need to be punished, of course; assault and/or murder are criminal acts and they deserve to suffer for them; but they are largely a symptom, just peons doing the grunt work for a situation above their heads. The people who hatched a plan that essentially uses healthcare workers as human shields, possibly for years to come until the memory eventually dies down? That's just abhorrent any way you slice it, even without the 'aiding and abetting polio' angle.

Re:Any slap on the wrist for the CIA? (1)

swb (14022) | about 7 months ago | (#46933299)

Because stopping CIA data collection is a higher priority than making sure your people don't end up crippled from polio?

Sure, you can "blame" the CIA for this, but at a certain point isn't guaranteeing your kids won't get polio a little more important?

Re:Any slap on the wrist for the CIA? (1)

Nidi62 (1525137) | about 7 months ago | (#46933571)

Because stopping CIA data collection is a higher priority than making sure your people don't end up crippled from polio?

To the Pakistani Taliban, sadly yes, it is. They are primarily the ones targeting polio workers in Pakistan.

Re:Any slap on the wrist for the CIA? (4, Insightful)

ChilyWily (162187) | about 7 months ago | (#46933809)

Sure... but when you have an enemy that calls innocent people dying as "collateral damage" and when they show no restraint with drone attacks and midnight raids, it is quite fearful for the local population to be very afraid of getting vaccinated because are you getting a real Doctor/Health care worker or are you getting into a CIA database where one day you will be killed? It doesn't help that one the other side you have the Taliban who now target *all* health care workers as working for the enemy... to the detriment of the poor people.

The CIA has the big brains, the big budget and they may have gotten the 1 person they wanted, but the misery they brought to many people, many children at that, does not justify the means. They did much evil in that case and it will cause hurt to many.

Is even a slap on the wrist not warranted for the CIA?
I don't even want to start with the other things the US Government has done in the "homeland" such as the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments on African-Americans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

Re:Any slap on the wrist for the CIA? (1)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | about 7 months ago | (#46934467)

What utter bullshit. You are treating the Taliban like foolish children who are out doing bad things to health workers because they are confused. Fuck that. They are responsible. They and their leaders bear the blame.

Also tossing more fuel on a 'blame the West' fire is beyond outrageous.

Re:Any slap on the wrist for the CIA? (2)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about 7 months ago | (#46934971)

They are like foolish children compared to educated Westerners who didn't grow up immersed in violent fundamentalist nutjobbery. Or perhaps they're closer to mentally ill.

Anyway, the CIA taught them that medical staff cannot be trusted. There's a reason using medics for espionage and attack in war is a war crime, it's the same reason that using ambulances to transport SWAT teams and this incident were incredibly horrible, dangerous ideas with grave consequences that are now being felt.

Re:Any slap on the wrist for the CIA? (3, Interesting)

Uberbah (647458) | about 7 months ago | (#46935825)

They are like foolish children compared to educated Westerners who didn't grow up immersed in violent fundamentalist nutjobbery. Or perhaps they're closer to mentally ill.

Lets see how sensible the Christianists are after their lives, land and countries have been fucked with for a century by Muslim Imperialism. After the state-run oil companies in Venezuela and Iran get together and overthrow [wikipedia.org] the governments of the U.K. and the United States. After the Revolutionary Guard spends 15 years threatening the United States with total obliteration [reuters.com] if it made use of a nuclear weapons program that it says does not exist [rawstory.com] . And says crippling sanctions that killed 5,000,000 kids in the U.S. (adjusted for population) was worth it. [thegatewaypundit.com]

But I don't expect that partial list to make a dent in the cognitive dissonance in all the Bill Maher's [youtube.com] running around in the comments.

Re:Any slap on the wrist for the CIA? (1)

Uberbah (647458) | about 7 months ago | (#46935755)

Bill Maher [youtube.com] posts on Slashdot! Who knew?

Re:Any slap on the wrist for the CIA? (1)

Sabriel (134364) | about 7 months ago | (#46935861)

Stop and _think_ for a moment, will you? Nobody here is defending the Taliban. Nobody here is saying the CIA shouldn't fight the Taliban.

The whole bloody point of having a free country is not just having the ability to criticise our government when they do the wrong thing, but also that the ability be exercised. If we don't, history is pretty bloody clear that we end up with a government similar to the Taliban in charge of us.

If the CIA has a problem with carrying out its assigned tasks under the restrictions set upon it by the People, then its responsibility is to make that problem clear to the People and abide by their response. And if in an emergency it should decide that it is truly necessary to exceed those restrictions, it is equally necessary that it declare to the People what it has done and abide by their judgement.

To kill the leader of a terrorist group, the CIA hijacked and tainted the reputation of Western medicine, putting millions of lives at risk. Literally, millions. Preventable and treatable diseases kill and maim more people every day than groups like the Taliban could ever dream of - so in addition to the fallout on innocents, the CIA actually advanced the enemy's own goals.

And it did so by breaking the rules. In your own words, "Fuck that. They are responsible. They and their leaders bear the blame."

Re:Any slap on the wrist for the CIA? (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 7 months ago | (#46933509)

It was a local Dr. and nurses.

And health workers getting assaulted and people stopping them for giving vaccinations has been going on far before that. sadly.

non-vaccination in Pakistan (4, Informative)

OglinTatas (710589) | about 7 months ago | (#46933055)

It couldn't have anything to do with this (CIA using polio vaccinations as cover) could it?

http://articles.baltimoresun.c... [baltimoresun.com]

Re:non-vaccination in Pakistan (5, Informative)

tomhath (637240) | about 7 months ago | (#46933269)

Taliban was recommending against polio vaccination long before that, because of rumors it causes sterilization. The CIA collecting DNA in Abbottabad from hepatitis (not polio) vaccinations didn't help though.

Re:non-vaccination in Pakistan (1)

Uberbah (647458) | about 7 months ago | (#46935881)

Methinks you're downplaying the significance of the CIA'a actions. Jenny McCarthy has been an anti-vaxer for some time. If it was proven that a few dozen kids had contracted autism via vaccines, what would it do to the size of her following?

Re:non-vaccination in Pakistan (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 7 months ago | (#46933291)

The CIA 'vaccination campaign' was actually for hepatitis B; but the locals obviously aren't terribly interested in allocating distrust according to the specific vaccine type. There have been assorted 'zOMG Western campaign to sterilize our wimmenz!' outbreaks from time to time before that one came to light; but an actual CIA vaccine conspiracy certainly didn't hurt the credibility of anyone who accused vaccination of being a cover for some sinister western agenda...

Re:non-vaccination in Pakistan (2)

sjames (1099) | about 7 months ago | (#46934441)

To be fair, it wouldn't be the first time the U.S. engaged in forced sterilization.

Re:non-vaccination in Pakistan (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 7 months ago | (#46935079)

I was going to disagree with you, but then I remembered instead that it was the Secret Service who was for increased fertilization.

Re:non-vaccination in Pakistan (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 7 months ago | (#46935131)

Oh, indeed not. And you can get contraceptive vaccines (albeit only for certain non-human pest and livestock mammals at present, humans aren't quite working yet). As it happens, though, concerned parties have had the vaccine lots sent off for analysis in places they trust, and some campaigns have even deliberately emphasized use of vaccines sourced from 'friendly' countries rather than the US or similar, and nobody has ever come across a sterilization/fertility reduction agent hidden in one of these vaccines.

There's certainly no reason to trust our boundless benevolence and ironclad human decency(indeed, if you couldn't get at least 15% of congress to fantasize about actually having a covert sterilization program, if they thought the mic was off, I'd be a bit surprised); but if we are up to something, we've managed to hide it amazingly well.

Re:non-vaccination in Pakistan (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46933357)

Yeah, kill a near-religious figure in another country by using the guise of free health-care and now people kill those who are volunteering to help... what is the world coming to?

gee - Thanks, Obama! (0)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about 7 months ago | (#46933473)

n/t

Re:non-vaccination in Pakistan (1)

Sir Holo (531007) | about 7 months ago | (#46933743)

It's already been done, using similar diseases.

See Japan Unit 731 [wikipedia.org] from WWII.

Re:non-vaccination in Pakistan (1)

Uberbah (647458) | about 7 months ago | (#46935727)

Already been done....in the freaking Paleozoic era. No comparison to the most powerful man in the world giving credence to modern conspiracy theories as to the "real" purpose of vaccination programs.

Shouldn't have used it as a CIA cover (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46933103)

A lot, and I do mean a lot of the international difficulties people have with vaccination programs is their frequent use as a cover for intelligence operations. [nytimes.com]

Re:Shouldn't have used it as a CIA cover (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46933397)

I blame the media for spreading this. If it weren't for them the guise would have been left on and not uncovered making the world a safer place. I mean I'm all about freedom, but someetimes we have to give some up like freedom of press to keep me safe while I stuff my face with McDonald's new synthetic McRahib.

Thanks Obama (1)

NotDrWho (3543773) | about 7 months ago | (#46933153)

Probably started this to distract us from Benghazi, didn't you??

Makes me sad (1)

Triklyn (2455072) | about 7 months ago | (#46933209)

dude did a ted talk a couple years back full of optimism. Why can't we all just say, fuck you polio, and git her done?

if i can imagine one thing most everybody should be able to get behind it should be the eradication of disease. Lets all agree that polio is bad, and getting rid of polio is good. and if the WHO can convince warlords to help with the vaccination effort in the moments between open conflict, why isn't this problem kicked?

10% * 417 = ??? (1)

dullertap (1733776) | about 7 months ago | (#46933227)

Seriously, what the hell? 417 cases of polio last year reported. This has to be on par with the number of motorcycle deaths due to flying mammals.

Re:10% * 417 = ??? (1)

Triklyn (2455072) | about 7 months ago | (#46933331)

yeah, a nearly unprecedented level of international cooperation will do that.

Re:10% * 417 = ??? (3, Insightful)

Poingggg (103097) | about 7 months ago | (#46933443)

Seriously, what the hell? 417 cases of polio last year reported. This has to be on par with the number of motorcycle deaths due to flying mammals.

The problem is that it's infectuous. One person can infect several others, who infect more. Ever heard of exponential growth? If not, Google it.

Re:10% * 417 = ??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46935417)

That's only a problem with polio if you drink where you shit. Why should anyone living on more than 5$ per day be worried about this? Are you commonly concerned about the anal-oral route for pathogens?

Re:10% * 417 = ??? (2)

Uberbah (647458) | about 7 months ago | (#46935923)

Why should anyone living on more than 5$ per day be worried about this? Are you commonly concerned about the anal-oral route for pathogens?

Why don't you take an extended trip to an area with a Libertarian [youtube.com] water supply and find out, Slick.

Re:10% * 417 = ??? (1)

EvanED (569694) | about 7 months ago | (#46933467)

However, unlike preventing flying-mammal-caused motorcycle deaths for a couple of years, preventing all polio deaths for a couple of years means we may never have to worry about it ever again.

Re:10% * 417 = ??? (2)

Triklyn (2455072) | about 7 months ago | (#46933673)

incidentally, the when the polio eradication campaign started in the 80's it was three hundred thousand cases yearly. 2+ decades of coordinated international effort have dropped it to "flying mammals" levels.

Re: 10% * 417 = ??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46933899)

I refuse to believe that. If you are right, then vaccines must actually be effective at preventing disease and not just a government plot to make our kids autistic while enriching big pharma.

Re: 10% * 417 = ??? (1)

Triklyn (2455072) | about 7 months ago | (#46934077)

just the scale is... millions of people vaccinating billions one by one house by house. in the middle of war, starvation, hostility and ignorance.

makes me proud to be human

Re: 10% * 417 = ??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46935857)

Unfortunately it is really difficult to tell how effective it has been since they keep changing the definition.

Shooting the baby with the bathwater (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46933315)

The Taliban (rat bastards that they are) are shooting volunteer nurses at vaccination clinics. Now some kids are going without. Now its true that the CIA did have an intelligence gathering operation for a while, and it might still be going. On the other hand, disease is disease. The CIA *might* find out who you are, and the disease *might* kill the kids. The Taliban (rat bastards that they are) have decided that they are more important than their kids, so the kids *might* get sick, but the CIA *will never* find out about them (if they are actually part of the vaccination program anymore). The thing is that Science isn't lie religion. Even if you stop believing in it, its still there (pretty much the same definition as reality). So its like this: Its the Talibans (Rat Bastards) Will that the kids not get the vaccination, and Gods Will if the kids get sick and die. That way, they can blame God instead of themselves.

Relidiots! (0, Flamebait)

Poingggg (103097) | about 7 months ago | (#46933385)

Most of the people who are not vaccinated are relidiots, either Islamic or Christian. Their imaginary friend makes plans and we, humans, are not to interfere with those. If their imaginary friend wants to make you ill, you better get ill instead of using a vaccination!

Here in The Netherlands it's the neanderthalers in the 'bible belt' who get infected because of the insane reasons mentioned above, and in the Middle East it's fundamentalist Muslims who prevent vaccination.

Oh, the blessings of religion!

There is no such thing as 'vaccination'... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46933853)

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/hadwen1.html

Don't bother reading his actual speeches though, you might find out that you've been duped into believing there is such a thing as 'vaccination'...
It is easier to fool someone, than to convince them they've been fooled...

This site is laughable, the braindead, party liners on here, who couldn't think if their lives depended on it.

In Dr Hadwen's talks, he clearly proves that Jenner was a FRAUD, and that 'vaccination' doesn't work.

nuff said (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46934095)

One more reason to shut the doors round em all up and feck em off back whence they proliferated from .
Just think of the amount of vacant housing and the jobs that would create

What's wrong with /.? (1)

mdsolar (1045926) | about 7 months ago | (#46934319)

Emergency Powers! WHO! Where's the paranoia?
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