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Nintendo Apologizes For Not Allowing Same-Sex Relationships In Life Sim Game

Soulskill posted about 4 months ago | from the standards-change dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Nintendo has been taking heat recently for their decision not to allow same sex relationships in Tomodachi Life, an upcoming life simulation game for the 3DS. An advocacy group for LGBT issues said, 'In purposefully limiting players' relationship options, Nintendo is not only sending a hurtful message to many of its fans and consumers by excluding them, but also setting itself way behind the times.' The group also pointed out that The Sims allowed such choices over a decade ago. Nintendo originally replied that the game was not intended to be social commentary, and pointed out that the U.S. release of Tomodachi Life is just a localization of the Japanese version (gay marriage is not legal in Japan). Now Nintendo has officially apologized for 'failing to include same-sex relationships' in the game, and they promised to build a more inclusive experience if they make a sequel."

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Thank God (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966423)

At last, a story about stuff that matters. It had been so long.

Japanese version? (5, Funny)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about 4 months ago | (#46966459)

So, I can marry my purple tentacle with my demon-hunter magical schoolgirl?

Re:Japanese version? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966515)

There's plenty of sex, but I've never seen that lead to Marriage?

First World Problems (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966461)

So if Nintendo adds same sex relationships to the sequel, every one of those complainers will buy it, right? Or were they just complaining about something that they do not own and do not intend to buy, i.e. telling other people how to live their lives?

Re:First World Problems (5, Insightful)

Sique (173459) | about 4 months ago | (#46966619)

Actually, the complaint arised when two people who owned already the game found out they couldn't have their Mii characters marry in the game. But let a fact not spoil your rant. Keep up the good work!

Re:First World Problems (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966749)

Their feelings should be important to everyone because they're special. Not like the rest of you. You don't matter at all. You just exist to watch history unfold -- for the benefit of the chosen.

Especially irrelevant: the vision of the game's creators. Artists must comply!

Re:First World Problems (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966867)

Especially irrelevant: the vision of the game's creators. Artists must comply!

Well, if Nintendo feels like the profitability of this series is going to be at stake because they decided not to include same-sex marriage, then, yeah, they are going to comply.

Re:First World Problems (3, Interesting)

Vapula (14703) | about 4 months ago | (#46966915)

LGBT is 1% of Nintendo Buyers.
And most LGBT people won't care/complain...

So, it'll be 1/10000, 1/20000 or even less (don't forget that Nintendo primary commercial targets are children and Japan where same sex union is illegal) who could decide to not buy the game... unlikely to have any impact to Nintendo profitability...

And if Nintendo decides to implement it, it'll require lots of extra-development as they'll have to comply with local laws of some countries (including their own) where same sex union is forbidden. which means lots of extra costs...

And maybe as many (or more) people *not* buying the game because same sex union is allowed in it and they are strongly opposed to it...

gay people complain... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966855)

So... the fact is that gay people complain!

Re:First World Problems (1)

dreamchaser (49529) | about 4 months ago | (#46966859)

Actually, the complaint arised when two people who owned already the game found out they couldn't have their Mii characters marry in the game. But let a fact not spoil your rant. Keep up the good work!

It's a game. Games are not real life and don't always have to accommodate every single form of relationship. As far as I know without some modification you can't have same sex marriages in Skyrim either. Get over it.

Re:First World Problems (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966889)

As far as I know without some modification you can't have same sex marriages in Skyrim either. Get over it.

Skyrim always allowed same-sex marriage.

Re:First World Problems (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966821)

Fanny bandits only care about destroying society. You must either love gay sex or be sent to the gulags!!!

Boycott Pretendo (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966473)

Pretendo is Japan's equivalent to the GOP lapdogs in the US such as Hobby Lobby. Homophobic to its core and it has no problem with bullying others(3rd Party game cos), censorship to the max, etc. Come to think of it they are exactly like the GOP. Not that I support M$ and $ony-Bony as they are both greedy corporations and while they are less evil they are still evil. Better to go with free software when it comes to games. Adjust your tastes while you wait for a FLOSS alternative to games.

What this means is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966479)

Nintendo will no longer publish this type of game outside of Japan. Either that, or they go back to region locking to the extreme... Where even if you have a NA version of the console, it will not work if located in Japan, because this kind of thing is illegal in their country.

Re:What this means is... (2)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about 4 months ago | (#46966947)

Wouldn't it be easier to have the games check for the console's country setting and do things differently according to national laws?

bah! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966483)

Society is sure bending over for something like 1% of the population.

We should treat drug addicts and alcoholics as lovingly.

Getting annoying (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966497)

Does this *really* have to come up all the time? These advocacy groups need to understand that they can't control every choice everyone makes. We have ObamaCare for that...

Overreacting (5, Insightful)

duke_cheetah2003 (862933) | about 4 months ago | (#46966509)

This is just dumb. It's a game!

I'm all for LGBT rights and such, but really to criticize a game just cuz it don't include your sexual orientation..? I dunno about that. What's next? Is the LGBT community going to demand air time in Disney cartoons next?

Besides, no one complained about Harvest Moon, another game that only permits heterosexual marriages. So what! It's a game!

Re:Overreacting (5, Insightful)

QuasiSteve (2042606) | about 4 months ago | (#46966559)

Now read that with s/LGBT/Black/

Not that I completely disagree, but if you're going to make a 'life simulation' game localized to a given market, then it's not all that far-fetched to make it reflect the (aggregate) society of that localization, or accept that you'll get complaints if you don't.

Ultimately Nintendo's solution is to say "we'll look at it IF we make a sequel" - it's not much of a commitment, more of a PR strategy.

Re:Overreacting (5, Insightful)

pla (258480) | about 4 months ago | (#46966609)

Now read that with s/LGBT/animals/.

Now read that with s/LGBT/power tools/.

I completely support the right of gays to marry (to the extent that I support any marriage, an institution I wholly reject, as does my long-term partner). But this amounts to a purely manufactured controversy. The game contains what it contains; don't like it? Don't play it. Send a message with your wallet, rather than pissing and moaning about a game you didn't create not behaving like you want it to.

Secret guidelines (1)

tepples (727027) | about 4 months ago | (#46966677)

The game contains what it contains; don't like it? Don't play it. Send a message with your wallet

And buy what game instead? Nintendo, Xbox, PlayStation, and iOS all have secret guidelines for what content is acceptable on their respective platforms.

Re:Secret guidelines (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966843)

so build your own lgbtii system that allows whatever content you want.

Re:Overreacting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966683)

Send a message with your wallet, rather than pissing and moaning about a game you didn't create not behaving like you want it to.

So, they can boycott the game all they want, they just can't tell anyone about it?

Re:Overreacting (1)

ganjadude (952775) | about 4 months ago | (#46966703)

Exactly, Im shocked that no one has started a kickstarter campaign to create a game that makes them (or any group that feels under represented) happy. If the outrage is legit and not just faux outrage, the campaign should succeed

Nintendo is not for first timers (2)

tepples (727027) | about 4 months ago | (#46966871)

Even with a Kickstarter campaign, how would such people come up with the "relevant game industry experience", "stable business organization", and "list of published game titles" that Nintendo expects [warioworld.com] ?

Re:Overreacting (2, Insightful)

QuasiSteve (2042606) | about 4 months ago | (#46966713)

Now read that with s/LGBT/animals/.

Now read that with s/LGBT/power tools/.

Yes, and that's the 'slippery slope' argument one could make.

However, "reflect the (aggregate) society of that localization". What society are you living in where you can legally marry animals and/or power tools, and are either of those characters that you [i]can[/i] play as in the first place?

Re:Overreacting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966845)

My mom's basement, along with the rest of the Slashdot residents? Fluffy and I are very happy, but my open relationship with Dremel Dorothy is turning into a scheduling problem.

Re:Overreacting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966787)

Remember a little thing in the US called the African-American civil rights movement? Racial equality wasn't achieved by black people voting with their wallets.

Montgomery transit boycott (4, Informative)

tepples (727027) | about 4 months ago | (#46966879)

Racial equality wasn't achieved by black people voting with their wallets.

Are you claiming that the Montgomery, AL, transit boycott of 1955-1956 [wikipedia.org] didn't help?

Re:Overreacting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966833)

So, your main argument is people are not allowed to criticise things which they do not like?

Re:Overreacting (2)

Noxal (816780) | about 4 months ago | (#46966905)

The game contains what it contains; don't like it? Don't play it. Send a message with your wallet, rather than pissing and moaning about a game you didn't create not behaving like you want it to.
How about I do both?

Re:Overreacting (4, Insightful)

thesandtiger (819476) | about 4 months ago | (#46966911)

Kind of funny that you're using YOUR voice to suggest other people shouldn't use theirs.

You're pissing and moaning on Slashdot because other people aren't behaving how you want them to.

Speaking with your wallet and your wallet alone does nothing - how do the people you're boycotting know why you're boycotting? Speaking up with your wallet and your voice is far more powerful.

Re:Overreacting (1)

s.petry (762400) | about 4 months ago | (#46966721)

PR for who and what though? I don't know this game, but seriously doubt large differences with other Nintendo games. Characters are usually displayed as asexual, or at least you can make the male characters look very feminine. Since this is imagination based, I really don't see a huge LGBT issue. Can't someone make character look feminine and name the character "Rie" or something so that their imagination can make it appear to be a same sex marriage?

The comparison to "The Sims" is telling. Sims may be able to have same sex relationships, but don't get the same perks as straight couples which is why there are thousands of hacks for the game. Wanting realism from computer characters who will talk on the phone until they pee themselves, or starve to death with a fridge full of food, shows a pretty strong level of delusion. Good grief, it may take an hour in game time for 2 Sims to figure out how to walk through the same door and one of them may give up trying to move and you want "realism"? That is absurd.

As to the s/LGBT/Black/ really? That is an argument that does not exist. The bright orange skinned female can marry the purple skinned male, and neither of those people exist in the real world. As with above, demanding a realistic society aggregate when the game is not reality is absurd.

I'm with the person you responded to. I agree that there are real issues of discrimination, and I'm all for free will (do the Liberty chant). PR like this diminishes the real issues of discrimination. For posterity, liberty is not forcing your belief on to other people but letting you choose your own path (some in the LGBT organization forget this).

Re:Overreacting (-1, Flamebait)

Zouden (232738) | about 4 months ago | (#46966767)

>As to the s/LGBT/Black/ really? That is an argument that does not exist.

Why not? Imagine if the game didn't allow your light-skinned character to marry a character with dark skin. It's the exact same thing.

Re:Overreacting (4, Interesting)

Antique Geekmeister (740220) | about 4 months ago | (#46966899)

For younger contributors, I do remember the first 'interracial', actually the first black/white, kiss on television. It was on Star Trek, and it caused some fascinating chats among my friends

                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P... [wikipedia.org]

It did cause a lot of controversy at the time. Among my very few contacts from so long ago, the universal agreement is that Nichelle Nichols was, and remains, a stunning woman woman whom any of us would be proud to have kissed at any point in her career.

Re:Overreacting (1)

QuasiSteve (2042606) | about 4 months ago | (#46966863)

PR for who and what though?

Just to address this bit - I meant specifically as a defense strategy, as Nintendo had been painted negatively in the news, especially after their first response's gaffe;
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertai... [go.com]

( As opposed to saying "you're right, that is a bit odd isn't it? we'll make a patch available in the coming weeks." or sticking to the "the game is what it is and the code and content simply doesn't allow for gay marriages - don't like it? don't play it." (paraphrased) )

Re:Overreacting (1)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | about 4 months ago | (#46966851)

What about adoption? Children without marriage? Poly-amorous relationships? Common enough in my area that no one blinks an eye, and yet they're not in the game.

Let's face it - Tomodachi Life is the Tamagotchi of sims. Dead simple, based on really simple rules, and with little actual simulation of anything. So gay relationships - yeah, I'm not surprised they were left out.

Personally, I think the biggest mistake by Nintendo was to use Miis instead of other, customizable avatars. At that point, you're waiting to piss someone off because their preferred lifestyle is impossible in the game.

Re:Overreacting (-1, Flamebait)

Noxal (816780) | about 4 months ago | (#46966933)

...Children without marriage?...

...their preferred lifestyle...

Fuck you and fuck your "traditional values". The world is becoming a better place as your kind becomes less and less relevant.

Re:Overreacting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966599)

This is just dumb. It's a game!

I'm all for LGBT rights and such, but really to criticize a game just cuz it don't include your sexual orientation..? I dunno about that. What's next? Is the LGBT community going to demand air time in Disney cartoons next?

Besides, no one complained about Harvest Moon, another game that only permits heterosexual marriages. So what! It's a game!

Yep, it's a game. Don't like it, don't buy it.

Good Lord, the "If you were "tolerant" like *ME*, you'd do what *I* tell you!" crowd really needs to STFU.

But first, learn the fucking definition of "tolerant".

Overreacting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966605)

This is just dumb. It's a game!

I'm all for minority rights and such, but really to criticize a game just cuz it includes insensitive stereotypes about your race? I dunno about that. What's next? Is the NAACP going to demand air time in Disney cartoons next?

Besides, no one complained about Final Fantasy VII, a game that shows one African-American as an "ignorant nigger". So what! It's a game!

Re:Overreacting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966627)

Apon reading the article and having experience with the Wii, this apparently uses peoples Mii characters or some such global character that is part of the system and beyond any one game.

For many people to be denied their personal choices in their online persona or avatars programmatically is pretty close to google saying you can't be gay on their profile pages.

Unfortunately a lot of adults support the Nintendo company, and legitimately so many parents who are probably LGBT. So this activisim is not neccissarily uncalled for. But TBH it would have been better if the console market wasn't so syndicated LGBT people could just put their own LGBT software on the consoles. And leave Nintendo to be retards.

This however is not the case. And this is the end result. Deal with it, sunglasses.gif

(Yes, this post may be seen as highly insulting, but it is meant to be entirely informative, OP's assumptions were highly insulting)

Re:Overreacting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966673)

It's just an attention grabber. Pick anything that doesn't include gay marriage, talk like it's a tragedy and a sin, and you get air time. This is the way media works, and it's all just PR stuff.

Re:Overreacting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966685)

How about presenting the option 10% of the time or whatever the raio of gays to straights is, instead of pretending it's 50/50.

Jamie from HMMM is bi (1)

tepples (727027) | about 4 months ago | (#46966691)

Besides, no one complained about Harvest Moon, another game that only permits heterosexual marriages. So what! It's a game!

You must not have seen how bisexual Jamie is in Harvest Moon: Magical Melody.

Re:Overreacting (4, Insightful)

Andtalath (1074376) | about 4 months ago | (#46966723)

It's entertainment.
Entertainment in a large fashion dictates what is ok and normal.
Every bit of acceptance is good.

This is also the matter of people noticing that a feature is lacking in their game.
It's the same type of complaint, in a fashion, as when you can't play games in a LAN unless you are connected to the internet.
It's an unneccesary addition specifically not allowing two people to get together.

Re:Overreacting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966727)

If a game's going to claim to be a life simulator, and then it does something that invalidates the lives of a big chunk of the population, that's a subtle form of discrimination.

Imagine if the wii only allowed the creation of white and asian avatars. (Or if you're part of those groups, imagine if it only allowed black avatars.) Or imagine if this game forbade interracial marriage.

I don't want an empty apology from Nintendo; I want them to spend 20 minutes editing their code to make the game non-discriminatory.

Re:Overreacting (2)

Guppy06 (410832) | about 4 months ago | (#46966743)

Why are LGBT discriminated against if not for how they're portrayed (or deliberately not portrayed) in art and culture?

Re:Overreacting (0)

BrendaEM (871664) | about 4 months ago | (#46966773)

It's just a game until someone makes a game where you are not valid.

Re:Overreacting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966801)

This is just dumb. It's a game!

I'm all for black rights and such, but really to criticize a game just cuz it don't include your race..? I dunno about that. What's next? Is the black community going to demand air time in Disney cartoons next?

Besides, no one complained about Harvest Moon, another game that only permits white characters. So what! It's a game!

Re:Overreacting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966917)

This is just dumb. It's a game!

Usually this wouldn't be that much of a deal.
The problem is that there are people who actively put their nose into what other people does with their lives and for example want to have a say into who may marry who and such.
This has led to a situation where we can't just let oversights like this slide because if we do any active attempt to limit someones life choices will just be excused without discussion.

Once same sex marriage stops being controversial things like this will become a non-issue and just considered a regular bug that can be fixed in the next patch or whatever.

Where's the apology for lack of Polyagmy? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966519)

For a family friendly company they completely dropped the ball when it comes to living my virtual harem fantasies.

Re:Where's the apology for lack of Polyagmy? (1)

BrendaEM (871664) | about 4 months ago | (#46966751)

I know well adjusted poly people, go get yourself that harem : )

Jesus christ (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966521)

The game is offensive unless it allows relationships between ethereal giraffe genderqueer fursonas and tri-curious pansexual midget doctors. Right?

Is it so bad that people just want to make a game that reflects the relationships the majority of people on Earth have? Do they really have to support every sexual minority to be "fair"?

Re:Jesus christ (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966583)

The simple and best solution is to never give an inch when talking to these degenerate freaks. Homosexuality, transsexualism and all the other bullshit should be treated just like any other mental disorder.

Re:Jesus christ (1)

tepples (727027) | about 4 months ago | (#46966709)

The game is offensive unless it allows relationships between ethereal giraffe genderqueer fursonas and tri-curious pansexual midget doctors. Right?

Nintendo came so close to that with Animal Crossing series, and now this...

Re:Jesus christ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966757)

My sexual orientation involves having sex with millions of dollars that Nintendo gives me in real life. Unless my Mii can make Nintendo give me millions of dollars in real life, Nintendo is insensitive against my completely normal carnal urges.

Re:Jesus christ (-1, Troll)

BrendaEM (871664) | about 4 months ago | (#46966831)

I reported your comment because I found your labeling excessively offensive.

Computer programmers, engineers, and IT workers are also not a majority, and yet we are also valid. Are we not?

Re:Jesus christ (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about 4 months ago | (#46966923)

It is not about who are valid or not. Gay people, computer folk, etc. are obviously all valid and mostly cool people. The point is just what kind of common baseline the game wants to target.

Re:Jesus christ (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966839)

The programmers had to set conditions up on which characters are allowed to marry. They specifically excluded same-sex marriages.

If you've invented a back-story that your midget doctor wants to marry a fursona, as long as one is male and one is female, they can get married in this game. So your absurd scenario is actually possible, while a real scenario that affects a significant percentage of the population isn't possible.

The point is that Nintendo went out of their way to exclude same-sex relationships. Would slashdot be similarly blazé had Nintendo excluded asians from marrying non-asians in the game?

Time for company spankings! (1)

MonsterMasher (518641) | about 4 months ago | (#46966527)

.
IMHO, whomever it is that is responsible should have his/her genitals spanked by each of the owners of the company.
Since it is a large public company someone(s) will be doing a lot of traveling around exposing themselves and their willy/VaJj whacked.
.
That would take care of that problem...
.
.

Never Cave (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966547)

Whenever anything like this happens, the creator/company should... ...never respond. ...deflect any questions. ...brush off any further demands/questions. ...change nothing about the game in order to not risk alienating the users who like the game as it is. ...never lose your composure when dealing with these people.

They're 5% of the population (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966549)

and you owe them a favor. You know, for all the great things they did for the rest of us. Nintendo apparently didn't understand this.

Re:They're 5% of the population (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966635)

They must be stopped by all means. I'm for killing (= helping) them, they're screwed anyway. Plus our children will have peace, without those LGBT sickos teaching them how to fist & such.

Re:They're 5% of the population (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966679)

You don't understand either. Everyone owes them a favor for all the great things they always do for the rest of us. Where's your gratitude? You should grovel for their forgiveness like Nintendo.

Re:They're 5% of the population (4, Informative)

s.petry (762400) | about 4 months ago | (#46966919)

Try approximately 1% of the population. The wiki here [wikipedia.org] shows 3.8% average but when you look at how they estimate numbers their estimates are grossly incorrect. For example people that express "curiosity" are counted, as are those that may have experimented at some point in time. Here is a quote to show the inaccuracy clearly.

According to the Williams Institute review conducted in April 2011, approximately 3.80 % of American adults identify themselves being in the LBGT community; wherein, (1.70%) identify as lesbian or gay, bisexual (1.80%), and/or transgender (0.30%);

The way they get the 3.8% number is to tally up all of the results, yet there is no control preventing people from answering to multiple categories. Depending on who is running the study, bisexuals may automatically be counted as lesbian or gay. Other studies may ask the questions separately, but a bisexual person would normally respond that they have same sex relationships so are also lesbian or gay. People identifying themselves as transgender are bisexual, gay, or lesbian (don't make the mistake of jumping to circular reasoning on that one) almost all of the time.

This is ridiculous (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966551)

Does anybody else think that this is ridiculous...?

This *IS* ridiculous, right Slashdot? Right?

These issues smack of a manufactured controversy.

Fucking faggots (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966557)

They pervert/enroll children, weaken the West, have no peace until all are filthy like them, believing it to be a sure way of giving peace to their always indicting conscience. Faggots are pedophiles: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1556756

The fucking faggots will doom us, no wonder Russia is strong: they have that salvaging hereditary hate of faggotism.

Re:Fucking faggots (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966945)

Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of your cock in my mouth. -another man

Bad apples (0)

duke_cheetah2003 (862933) | about 4 months ago | (#46966575)

This must be being done by some bad apples. Perhaps my experience was different but when I was in my 20's around gay people, they mostly wanted to just be accepted and/or left alone to do their own thing. I'm not sure where this community crossed the line into forcing their views upon others. I definitely really don't approve.

Re:Bad apples (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966603)

It was when Obama was elected. Forcing your views on people is the new "freedom". We shall overcome ... people who don't choose what we tell them to choose.

Re:Bad apples (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966789)

This must be being done by some bad apples. Perhaps my experience was different but when I was in my 20's around gay people, they mostly wanted to just be accepted and/or left alone to do their own thing. I'm not sure where this community crossed the line into forcing their views upon others. I definitely really don't approve.

There are too many of those "bad apples" in the gay community that promote aggressively their sexual disorder (yes... i am one of those "homophobic"!) - and they are too many of those left-wing heterosexual faggets that exist politicaly only as "sexual disorder promoters".
The line has been crossed time ago, when normal ("normal" means... normal!) people were forced to accept abnormal behaviours as... normal!
The real issue of this story (and of most others about "gays") is not "gay rights" but sexual disorder promotion - or just "sexual promotion" (if you are too sensitive about the correct term...).

Re:Bad apples (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | about 4 months ago | (#46966881)

when I was in my 20's around gay people, they mostly wanted to just be accepted and/or left alone to do their own thing

They weren't quite so uppity?

I'm offended (0)

carbuck (1728596) | about 4 months ago | (#46966581)

because Half Life 2 only allows me to play as a white guy. I should be allowed to play as Gina Freeman, Giovanni Fabianno, Guadalupe Fernandez, or Guela Feigenbaum.

Re:I'm offended (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966641)

or a headcrab. Because headcrab relationships with heads deserve respect!

Re:I'm offended (1)

Culture20 (968837) | about 4 months ago | (#46966797)

Leisuresuit Headcrab? Sounds like an interesting game.

Re:I'm offended (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966739)

I accidentally downmodded you, but want to preserve the rest of my mods in this thread, so posting to apologize for bad moderation.

Re:I'm offended (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966759)

I'd like to think someday you will be able to create the look of your own character in every game. We're at the point where this should be feasible already.

Distinctive outfit mentioned by NPCs (1)

tepples (727027) | about 4 months ago | (#46966909)

I'm not sure where part of the plot hinges on a character's distinctive outfit. Consider the famous overalls in Super Mario RPG or the hero's tunic in pick a Legend of Zelda game. It'd be interesting to hear how you suggest that the developers make the non-player characters react to the player's choice of appearance.

Re:I'm offended (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966921)

Half-Life 2 lets you put in your own graphics.

Problem solved.

Oh well I don't want to be political but *continue (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966617)

We're alive, we're human, we deserve representation. The only thing political about this is the strange pretension that if you just don't talk about us we'll disappear.

As a bigoted American, I demand my rights! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966633)

I demand the right to abuse and mistreat other players and NPCs in the game, to show my disgust at them, and to burn them at the stake because they are witches.

Why doesn't Nintendo tolerate my intolerance?

Kind of understandable from Nintendo (0, Troll)

jones_supa (887896) | about 4 months ago | (#46966639)

It does not mean that they are discriminating anyone. Being attracted to the opposite sex is the standard thing for mammals (and most creatures). Being a gay is anomaly. What if we made a game about hamsters, and they did not include any albino hamsters, would that be discrimination towards albinos? No. They are just focusing on the baseline, that's all.

Now, on the other hand, there is a lot of LGBT people, so making the game support same-sex relationships could have been a good business move.

Re:Kind of understandable from Nintendo (2, Insightful)

BrendaEM (871664) | about 4 months ago | (#46966699)

Is 1:10 people really an anomaly?

Re:Kind of understandable from Nintendo (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about 4 months ago | (#46966895)

Yep.

I dont wanna be POLITICAL but *continues existing* (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966661)

We're alive, we're human, we deserve representation. The only thing political about this is the strange pretension that if you just don't talk about us we'll disappear.

resub: thanks, mobile ui, for cutting off the title without warning. I wonder if this p tag will fuck up too. This site is falling apart

It's a life simulation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966675)

Not an abomination simulation.

A game and the reality (0)

BrendaEM (871664) | about 4 months ago | (#46966681)

The reality is:teens and even adolescents sometimes kill themselves because they believe they do not fit in a make-believe worlds that ignorant people sometimes create.

I imagine a world without Nintendo.

Re:A game and the reality (1)

Nemyst (1383049) | about 4 months ago | (#46966827)

Overract much? Sure, they should've added LGBT stuff in their game (although I'm not quite sure trans can even be represented in a game about Mii avatars...), but I'm pretty sure Nintendo's games have helped a LOT more teenagers (through a way of escaping bad events, or a distraction and way too calm themselves, and so on) than they've hindered. This isn't some sort of conscious campaigning against LGBT, it's an omission. To then imagine how the world would be better without them is both ludicrously harsh and undermines your position by making you even more insensitive than you claim them to be.

But hey, keep on crusadin', most people are way too scared of the fanatical devotion to this movement to speak up when things turn bonkers. I didn't like the karma that much anyway.

The LGBT crowd must be placated! (0, Flamebait)

mikein08 (1722754) | about 4 months ago | (#46966687)

Nintendo needs to tell the LGBT crowd to get a life, be concerned with real issues, and pound some sand in the process.

Re:The LGBT crowd must be placated! (1)

BrendaEM (871664) | about 4 months ago | (#46966737)

What could be more important than the hopes, dreams, and future than a lot of kids who need to know that what they are is valid?

Re:The LGBT crowd must be placated! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966813)

You mean that to have a penis or a fist in an anus is valid, do I understand you correctly, you fucking pedophile/faggot subverting the youth?

Re:The LGBT crowd must be placated! (1)

BrendaEM (871664) | about 4 months ago | (#46966941)

Yes, attraction, fondness, and love can happen before sex, you Anonymous Coward.

Re:The LGBT crowd must be placated! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966853)

If those children are basing their hopes, dreams, and future off some videogame, it's already doomed.

Wouldn't let my kids play an LGBT game (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966755)

Yeah, if the game was promoting homosexuality, there is no way in hell I would let a child play it. These are grown-up issues that shouldn't be on a child's mind when he's playing a video game.

No gay marriage and no straight marriage either (1)

tepples (727027) | about 4 months ago | (#46966935)

there is no way in hell I would let a child play it

Then perhaps they should instead be playing games that don't let player characters get married in the first place. Heterosexual life partnership is likewise a "grown-up issue[] that shouldn't be on a child's mind when he's playing a video game." This rules out a lot of Harvest Moon games, as one of the goals is to make one of the NPCs your waifu.

Negativity (-1, Troll)

Sheshbazzar (3646383) | about 4 months ago | (#46966777)

Too much negativity, the little silly faggots out there are trying to hide the deranging truth with minuses, it would appear. (Do you understand, O brainless faggot or, rather, let me call you "Colorectal Cancer", that by minusing this here post you, CC, will only augment the likelihood of what it says?). Faggots must be stopped (killed), they're pedophiles: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu... [nih.gov]

Re:Negativity (1)

BrendaEM (871664) | about 4 months ago | (#46966893)

Well, whomever screams "fa$$ot" loudest usual is.
I reported your comment.

Tiresome (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966779)

Like another commenter I'm all for human rights. But the gay mafia thing has just gone a little too far. I really hope organizations start to tell them to just shut up. Having gay depicted in even aspect of life is getting more than a little tiresome. Really pretty soon they'll have to have characters of every race, every living arrangement, every transgendered combination, every disease, every handicap... they'll be ISO certification to make sure games are inclusive. Nobody will every be able produce a game.

Look my friends you're in a lifestyle LGBT is like 3% of the population. We certainly don't want discrimination but we also don't want to have to readjust everything so everyone in every minority feels totally included and no ones feelings are hurt. Life isn't fair, get over it.

foo (0)

n1ywb (555767) | about 4 months ago | (#46966781)

foo

The LGBT-extremist at work (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46966865)

In classic books (Shakespeare, Zola, Voltaire, Plato,...), marriage is between man and woman
Should we rewrite these because 1% of the population is LGBT ?

Several thousand of years of definition of marriage say that it's between a man and a woman.
Even now, there are more countries where you'd be executed for being homosexual than countries where same-sex union is accepted.

So, here, I stand with Nintendo. In their country, same sex union is illegal, as is many countries where their games are sold. In some countries, promoting homosexuality to minors is also illegal (think of Russia for example). So, they HAVE to be on the LEGAL SAFE way, even if a few people don't like it. (LGBT are 1% of population and I'm quite sure that many of them can understand that games may not always include their life choice).

Not all content (books, films, games) can be LGBT-friendly... it's not about annoying them, it's only because the world is not limited to "today in LGBT-friendly countries".

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