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Air Force Prepares to Dismantle HAARP

samzenpus posted about 3 months ago | from the so-long-farewell dept.

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First time accepted submitter registrations_suck (1075251) writes in with news about the dismantling of the HAARP project. The U.S. Air Force gave official notice to Congress Wednesday that it intends to dismantle the $300 million High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program in Gakona this summer. The shutdown of HAARP, a project created by the late Sen. Ted Stevens when he wielded great control over the U.S. defense budget, will start after a final research experiment takes place in mid-June, the Air Force said in a letter to Congress Tuesday. While the University of Alaska has expressed interest in taking over the research site, which is off the Tok Cutoff, in an area where black spruce was cleared a quarter-century ago for the Air Force Backscatter radar project that was never completed. But the school has not volunteered to pay $5 million a year to run HAARP. Responding to questions from Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski during a Senate hearing Wednesday, David Walker, deputy assistant secretary of the Air Force for Science, Technology and Engineering, said this is 'not an area that we have any need for in the future' and it would not be a good use of Air Force research funds to keep HAARP going. 'We're moving on to other ways of managing the ionosphere, which the HAARP was really designed to do,' he said. 'To inject energy into the ionosphere to be able to actually control it. But that work has been completed.' Comments of that sort have given rise to endless conspiracy theories, portraying HAARP as a super weapon capable of mind control or weather control, with enough juice to trigger hurricanes, tornadoes and earthquakes."

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Climate Science Defector Forced to Resign (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007241)

Climate Science Defector Forced to Resign by Alarmist 'Fatwa'

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/14/Climate-Science-Defector-Forced-to-Resign-by-Alarmist-Fatwa

"

        I have been put under such an enormous group pressure in recent days from all over the world that has become virtually unbearable to me. If this is going to continue I will be unable to conduct my normal work and will even start to worry about my health and safety. I see therefore no other way out therefore than resigning from GWPF. I had not expecting such an enormous world-wide pressure put at me from a community that I have been close to all my active life. Colleagues are withdrawing their support, other colleagues are withdrawing from joint authorship etc. I see no limit and end to what will happen.

        It is a situation that reminds me about the time of McCarthy. I would never have expecting anything similar in such an original peaceful community as meteorology. Apparently it has been transformed in recent years. Under these situation I will be unable to contribute positively to the work of GWPF and consequently therefore I believe it is the best for me to reverse my decision to join its Board at the earliest possible time."

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Hey you assholes, if you have to force your beliefs on people, you might want to start to have a think about the motives behind these things.

AGW is nothing but a lie designed to redistribute wealth from those that have it, to those who want it, and can most fully use the media to direct the angst of the gullible proles to believe their AGW bullshit lies.

The media manufacture all of these crisis and direct public policy as efficiently as Pravda ever did. Reagan was a monster thanks to the media. GWB -- totes imperial president, media. Obama, enlightened lightbringer, no imperialism there! Media. AGW - OMG the oceans are rising! Media.

And you rubes fall for it pretty dammned fast don't you! HAHAHHAHAHHHAHAHAAHAHAHA.

Re:Climate Science Defector Forced to Resign (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007275)

In a free society opinions are welcomed; in a dictatorial society opinions are suppressed or eliminated. That is why the whole concept of Global Warming is seen as the biggest threat to a free people all over the world. Pro. Bengtsson is just the latest of many who have been exiled to the wilderness for not going along with the program. Global Warming is the new world orders religion and the cardinals of that new religion are out to paint anyone disagreeing with the order a heretic.

Re:Climate Science Defector Forced to Resign (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007893)

With us or against us, comrade!

Re:Climate Science Defector Forced to Resign (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007303)

See here's the thing, if this guy had to resign due to pressure and threats, how many others are there that are quietly submitting and going along just to get by and keep thier jobs? One is too many... no doubt it's many more than that.

Oh and by the way, if we had an actual journalist working for the media they would take it as their job to do some actual journalism here and find out who it is that is making these threats and throw out some actual reporting on that. But who here believe they ever will?

No, can't go against the hive-mind here, you will be ostracized and ridiculed, if not physically harmed yourself.

Nice totalitarianism you have build for yourselves there libtards.

Re:Climate Science Defector Forced to Resign (1)

andydread (758754) | about 3 months ago | (#47007721)

your amygdala large much?

Re:Climate Science Defector Forced to Resign (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007775)

Hey asshole, respond with substance and you will get substantative response back.

Respond with inanity you show yourself only to be an asshole who admits to tyrannical AGW hive-mind worship.

You have no argument, 'your amygdala large much?' only proves this.

Perhaps you can get your presinit to sick the IRS on me huh?

Re:Climate Science Defector Forced to Resign (4, Insightful)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about 3 months ago | (#47008695)

When you post something insane, don't expect people to spend a lot of time on you. The only asshole here is you.

Oh no (5, Funny)

oobayly (1056050) | about 3 months ago | (#47007247)

What excuse will all the conspiracy theory lunatics use to explain rainbows now?

Warning - watching these may cause severe face-palming [google.co.uk]
The 2nd one is my favourite, a rainbow from a sprinkler - the horror.

Re:Oh no (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007279)

Now they're taking away rainbows?? This administration has gone too far.

Re:Oh no (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007351)

It will be ponies and unicorns next!

Re:Oh no (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007357)

Fucking rainbows after it rains

Re:Oh no (3, Funny)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 3 months ago | (#47007657)

Don't worry, my friend, these people [dreamstime.com] won't let them do that!

K. S. Kyosuke = "Run, Forrest: RUN!" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47008933)

From a fair challenge like a chickenshit blowhard http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

K. S. Kyosuke gets called out & ran (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47009031)

From a fair challenge like a chickenshit blowhard http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

Re:Oh no (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007349)

at least they are not taking away out beloved chemtrails ..

Re:Oh no (3, Insightful)

jythie (914043) | about 3 months ago | (#47007369)

Oh that is easy, they will simply claim that HAARP was never dismantled, it was just moved to a dark site, or the moon.

Re:Oh no (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007619)

It can't be moved to the moon, since we never reached that far.

Re:Oh no (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007717)

Humans never reached that far, but the lizardoid alien overlords will just take the stuff to the moon themselves in their flying saucers.

Re:Oh no (4, Funny)

jythie (914043) | about 3 months ago | (#47007853)

Well, NASA never did, but after we invaded iraq to gain back control of the stargate there we can start shifting things to the moon that way.

Humans are incapable of accomplishing anything, but there is plenty of alien tech to make up for our scientific incompetence.

Re:Oh no (2)

sumdumass (711423) | about 3 months ago | (#47008205)

Why would they need to do that? The summery says they have other ways to "manage" the ionosphere now.

Re:Oh no (2)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 3 months ago | (#47008343)

Yeah, the new stuff is smaller. And they managed to put it on the Internet so it doesn't have be located way the hell out there in Alaska. That's what Ms. Murkowski's staffer told her anyway.

Re:Oh no (1)

omnichad (1198475) | about 3 months ago | (#47008409)

Everyone's heard of the dark site of the moon. It won't be a secret for long.

HAARP II (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007375)

is obviously going online. The first was obviously drawing too much attention.

Re:Oh no (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007383)

What excuse will all the conspiracy theory lunatics use to explain rainbows now?

Simple. If you won't believe HAARP was dismantled, you can keep blaming it for everything. Anyway, there is always SGI (Secret Government Installation).

Cameras are too easy to use now (2, Insightful)

Viol8 (599362) | about 3 months ago | (#47007455)

Even conspiracy theory morons can figure them out and this is the result. There should be a mandatory IQ test before anyone is allowed to use any technology or access the internet.

Re:Cameras are too easy to use now (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47008323)

I guess you'll have to find something else to do then, as your comment indicates you'll most likely fail the mandatory IQ test! Intelligent people are very well aware that the "conspiracy theory" label was coined and used to denigrate so as to misdirect the masses from the truth regarding the Kennedy assassination, and was found so effective that it has been in constant use to provide misdirection and cover for more recent conspiracies. For example, wouldn't the use of secretive government online forum shills be a conspiracy to manipulate the public mind? While there are some pretty ridiculous theories out there, generally the conspiracies given the most flack are the ones needing careful investigation. Consider the ratio of the black budget to the overt economy, and try to square that with your world view's lack of conspiratorial operations. I consider anyone who all too easily slings "conspiracy theorist" as an epithet (and that includes you, Sunstein!) to be a "useful idiot' or someone most likely antithetical to the common good.

Re:Cameras are too easy to use now (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47008795)

So because the conspiracy theory label gets misused or maliciously used in some cases, that means every thing labeled a conspiracy theory is a misdirection from the truth? There are some actual theories about conspiracies out there that don't get the "conspiracy theory" label and issues when significant evidence comes forward, and there are other cases where they are accepted as true but suffer a much worse fate: apathy. But you still have people out there with mental issues, or people who learned things the wrong way and assembled a jumbled picture in their head while becoming emotionally attached. Even if a large number of such theories were true, the vast majority would not be since they contradict each other in regards to the same event.

Then you get to people who argue for a conspiracy for a project I've actually worked on before (not HAARP though)... which shows a fundamental misunderstanding and involves labeling pictures of equipment with functions they cannot do. Yeah, I'll use the conspiracy theory label in a negative sense then, as because no amount of evidence will convince some people otherwise (they turn down open house offers to come see labs and equipment in person...) and at some point it is a matter of pointing that out to third parties.

Re:Cameras are too easy to use now (0)

Viol8 (599362) | about 3 months ago | (#47009089)

Uh huh. Listen , why not go off and have a beer with your loser buddies and argue about how they faked the moon landings from behind the grassy knoll.

Re:Cameras are too easy to use now (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 3 months ago | (#47008361)

Especially YouTube.

Re:Oh no (5, Funny)

RabidReindeer (2625839) | about 3 months ago | (#47007525)

What excuse will all the conspiracy theory lunatics use to explain rainbows now?

Military Unicorns.

Re:Oh no (3, Funny)

jd2112 (1535857) | about 3 months ago | (#47007939)

What excuse will all the conspiracy theory lunatics use to explain rainbows now?

Military Unicorns.

Only North Korea has militarized unicorns.

Re:Oh no (3, Funny)

Ellis D. Tripp (755736) | about 3 months ago | (#47008077)

Well the US better get its ass in gear then, gentlemen!

We can't allow a Unicorn Gap!

Re:Oh no (2)

LoRdTAW (99712) | about 3 months ago | (#47008785)

Com on, this is N. Korea we are talking about. They are nothing more than spray painted horses with a fake horn screwed to their skulls.

Re:Oh no (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007575)

The government already has something better and new-gen in place and nicely hidden. No need for that publicly-visible HAARP now.

Re:Oh no (3, Funny)

rasmusbr (2186518) | about 3 months ago | (#47007705)

Oh, the government is way beyond HAARP now. Some of the chemtrails that they spew out are probably seeded with quantum nano transmitters that inject negative frequencies directly into the ionosphere...

Re:Oh no (2)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about 3 months ago | (#47008161)

quantum nano transmitters

I sell a room air filter that removes quantum nano transmitters. $300 special this month - contact me.

Re:Oh no (1)

omnichad (1198475) | about 3 months ago | (#47008391)

I'm just wondering what the heck iAnnotates in our water supply
What the heck is in our oxygen supply
That creates a rainbow effect in sprinklers?
What is oozing out of our ground
That allows this type of effect to happen?
It's not just around our sun and our moon any more
Everywhere we look, the visible spectrum, is rainbows
This cannot be natural
We as a nation have got to ask ourselves
What the hell is going on?
What is oozing out of our ground?

I love it. One of my favorites of all time.

Re:Oh no (1)

benjfowler (239527) | about 3 months ago | (#47008751)

Thanks, Obama.

Terrible summary (2)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007257)

Sage for an a summary which blabs on and on and on without explaining what HARP is.

I don't care that "Lisa Murkowski during a Senate hearing Wednesday, David Walker, deputy assistant secretary of the Air Force for Science, Technology and Engineering"

Learn some editing skills and tell me what it is!

Re:Terrible summary (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007311)

Or your lazy ass should do some research, in case you are mentally challenged..

This thing called 't-h-e i-n-t-e-r-n-e-t' has a vast, almost endless supply of information, using a 'search engine' would be a start. In fact I believe your on the internet right now!

Re:Terrible summary (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47008521)

From the summary:

High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program

They even had a link....

Republicans are nutcakes (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007285)

It's shocking how backwards their kind is that they believe such garbage. They have destroyed this country, and they are now working hard to try to export their stupidity. There is no hope for the world now.

The idiot in the video is a democrat, read the tex (0, Flamebait)

raymorris (2726007) | about 3 months ago | (#47007553)

Read the text in the rainbow video. The idiot blames energy companies for what they're pumping into the ground. That's precisely the same scare-mongering OBAMA does, though with his speechwriters and teleprompter he sounds about 2% more intelligent when he says it.

Wow, Republicans are stupid (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007291)

They really believe that Alaska can do "mind control." I'm embarrassed to be from the same country as those people. They constantly talk about mind control and other stupid stuff when it is their own warped brains that are broken in the first place. They are morons.

Re:Wow, Republicans are stupid (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007317)

But the truth is, you are no better and just as gullible. Mind control by means of RF is an active research area, its just that the tech is slightly different. That is something you did not see.

Just because you can install Linux does not mean you know everything or are any less of a moron that the next guy.

Re:Wow, Republicans are stupid (2)

Sockatume (732728) | about 3 months ago | (#47007367)

"Slightly different" in this case being the difference between a large outdoor facility countless miles away in Alaska, and literally clamping a mains-powered instrument to the side of your skull.

Re:Wow, Republicans are stupid (0)

rioki (1328185) | about 3 months ago | (#47007807)

Mind control, huh? Can you point me towards anything that resembles mind control, just a tiny bit? I don't want something where they stimulated a region of the brain and the subject felt pain or pleasure. You know mind control as in the subject does something specific without noticing / without control. Even the mind reading is far far from any piratical application.

Re:Wow, Republicans are stupid (1)

Sockatume (732728) | about 3 months ago | (#47007997)

Well obviously under your very limited definition of "resembles mind control", this doesn't count. My point is that even the best way we have of manipulating the brain "remotely" - transcranial magnetic stimulation - involves wiring something into the mains and pressing it against your skull. Not firing a bunch of radio waves at the upper atmosphere.

Re:Wow, Republicans are stupid (4, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 3 months ago | (#47008415)

Mind control, huh? Can you point me towards anything that resembles mind control, just a tiny bit?

Be afraid [wikipedia.org] . Be very afraid.

Re:Wow, Republicans are stupid (1)

dwpro (520418) | about 3 months ago | (#47008943)

Ignoring the known effects of certain drugs, there is more than I expected: specifically with toxoplasmosis and increased risk of car accidents for humans. Mind control is a fact for some insects and rodents, how much more exists is an interesting question. This entertaining talk goes into it a good deal.

https://www.ted.com/talks/ed_y... [ted.com]

Re:Wow, Republicans are stupid (1)

jythie (914043) | about 3 months ago | (#47007381)

That tends to be one of the problems with a lot of the conspiracy theory and alternative tech people, they take a nugget of something real and stretch it to illogical extremes.

Weather control (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007315)

It is possible to control the weather through manipulating the ionosphere. Cloud seeding is certainly done, China are quite open about it but in the west it's considered a conspiracy theory

Re: Weather control (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007337)

Cloud seeding is done, but it doesn't do anything.

Re:Weather control (3)

Sockatume (732728) | about 3 months ago | (#47007363)

Cloud seeding doesn't manipulate the ionosphere.

Re:Weather control (5, Informative)

chill (34294) | about 3 months ago | (#47007643)

No, it isn't. Weather occurs in the troposphere [windows2universe.org] , the layer of the atmosphere closest to the earth, extending up to between 7 - 20 km above ground level. About 80% of the mass of the atmosphere is here.

The ionosphere [windows2universe.org] is about 0.1% of the mass of the atmosphere, starting from about 90 km above ground level and continuing to between 500 - 1,000 km above ground level.

Educate yourself a little. [youtube.com] Science is a beautiful thing.

Re: Weather control (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47008229)

Those two statements were supposed to be seperate...

Cloud seeding does not take place in the ionosphere, but it is done and does work

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_modification

Manipulation of the ionosphere can indeed control weather

http://weatherwarfare.worldatwar.info/2013/11/can-facilities-like-haarp-be-used-to-manipulate-the-weather/

Perhaps if you used alternative mediums other than YouTube cartoons to learn from you would know about this already :p

Re:Weather control (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47008393)

Does no one question why "we" (and it's never really "we", it's a small group with the self-assumed divine right of kings who always make these decisions) need to control and manipulate the ionosphere. Hasn't it been doing well enough by itself for, say maybe about 4.5 billion years?

Re:Weather control (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47008827)

Because that question has already been answered. Scientists want to control a small slice of the ionosphere to better understand basic plasma physics, the ionosphere itself, and the magnetosphere. Exciting part of the ionosphere is like plucking the string on a guitar, it helps you to learn what sounds it makes and how waves propagate through it. The military wanted to control it for communication and radar purposes and to better understand using the ionosphere to reflect radio waves, without being subject to problems from daily and sun related variations in the ionosphere.

This doesn't add up... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007321)

"dismantle the $300 million HAARP program" and "$5 million a year to run HAARP." Has the army been overcharging Congress?

Re:This doesn't add up... (1)

roger_that (24034) | about 3 months ago | (#47007329)

No, that would be the Air Force in this case. :)
I think the research part is what is costing $300 Million; just to maintain the grounds/buildings would most likely be the $5 million per year.

Re:This doesn't add up... (2)

rioki (1328185) | about 3 months ago | (#47007825)

And in the case of a University, the labor is mostly free. Free as in grad and postgrad students working there.

Re:This doesn't add up... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47008979)

A lot of the research there is already done by university teams, including grad students. I would guess either they are already factored into that cost, or that the cost is for operations and maintenance of equipment, which can be more or less suited to grad students depending on the program (helps if located physically at a university though).

The silence for the Whales will be deafening (2)

Trax3001BBS (2368736) | about 3 months ago | (#47007333)

About time...

I've always thought with all the evidence of HAARP damaging the Whales many heredity traits, they should of been shut down a very long time ago.

Re:The silence for the Whales will be deafening (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007541)

Wow, those must be really high flying whales. When they fall from up there, it would very likely be very damaging.

Re:The silence for the Whales will be deafening (5, Funny)

Ambitwistor (1041236) | about 3 months ago | (#47007671)

And wow! Hey! Whatâ(TM)s this thing suddenly coming towards me very fast? Very very fast. So big and flat and round, it needs a big wide sounding name like ⦠ow ⦠ound ⦠round ⦠ground! Thatâ(TM)s it! Thatâ(TM)s a good name â" ground!

I wonder if it will be friends with me?

And the rest, after a sudden wet thud, was silence.

Re:The silence for the Whales will be deafening (1)

dcw3 (649211) | about 3 months ago | (#47008165)

Too many idiots posting these days to tell if you're being silly, or one of them.

liars touts & shills oh my (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007343)

sell it to the kids? http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=weather+manipulation+wmd+starvation

Obama next move (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007487)

This is a blatant show of Obama's power. They have perfected mind control, and moved HAARP in preparation for the up coming election. Obama plans to eliminate the US currency, then eliminate term limits so he can be President for life. You the sheeple accept the HAARP cover story, not realizing the sinister plans set into motion.

Re:Obama next move (1)

wulfhere (94308) | about 3 months ago | (#47007891)

Slashdot needs a +1 Satire mod.

But...without it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007539)

How are the chem trails going to get activated to put holograms in the sky, and to sterilize the population by the new world order now?

will alaska still be there? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007573)

virgin islands? http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=weather+manipulation+wmd+haarp+locations san diego?

What happened to HAARP being essential? (1)

mysidia (191772) | about 3 months ago | (#47007581)

Due to their broadcasting of magnetometer data and other measurements used by military and civillians throughout the world ?

Re:What happened to HAARP being essential? (4, Insightful)

Required Snark (1702878) | about 3 months ago | (#47007663)

You don't understand the immense inertia of political pork. To put it in perspective, political pork has is the organizational equivalent of neutronium. One it comes into existence and starts moving, it is almost impossible to stop.

Remember that this was the turf of Alaska US Senator Ted Stevens. He was the longest serving Republican Senator in US history, being in the senate from 1978 to 2008. He died in a plane crash in 2010. He was also involved with the infamous freeway to nowhere.

That's why HAARP lasted so long. Even dieing is not sufficient grounds for ending a major pork event. A big time pork wrangler has to be gone and in the ground for a few years before anyone is willing to interfere with with the money flow. (Note: this is not a Republican vs. Democrat issue. The "Big Dig" in Boston was a monument to the pork prowess of Ted Kennedy.)

Re:What happened to HAARP being essential? (1)

dcw3 (649211) | about 3 months ago | (#47008345)

Minor correction, it was the bridge, not highway. And, according to wikipedia, some are still pushing for it...sigh.

Funding for the "Bridge to Nowhere" has continued as of March 2, 2011, in the passing of H.R. 662: Surface Transportation Extension Act of 2011[4][5][6] by the House of Representatives.

Re:What happened to HAARP being essential? (2)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 3 months ago | (#47008469)

There is a rumor up here in Alaska that suggests one of the reasons they want to shut down HAARP and a few other expensive but useless projects [wikipedia.org] is to funnel money into the Ted Stevens Resurrection Effort. Initial experiments were hopeful: They scraped some stuff off the crash site and managed to grow a bunch of confused mosquitos and one pissed off moose. Then the funding ran out.

Life here has just not been the same since Uncle Teddy left us.

Re:What happened to HAARP being essential? (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 3 months ago | (#47008511)

And to be a bit pedantic, Stevens was involved in a bunch of 'things to nowhere'. Bridges, roads, airports, train tracks, more roads and a couple of random military installations. Of course, in Alaska, it's pretty easy to make things that go to various bits of nowhere since there is an enormous amount of nowhere just about everywhere.

Truth is HAARP is no longer needed (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007621)

Have you seen how many cellphone towers are out there ? HAARP is no longer cost effective to manipulate human behavior. The scattered microwave signal can be broadcasted with lower power with the cell phone tower infrastructure. HAARP had many other uses. It's first test was to see if the ionosphere could be charged artificially instead of waiting for the sun to do it. They were successful but it took a lot of energy. Next test... microwave scatter radiation to manipulate human behavior. The affect was stumbled upon by accident, much in the same way the microwave oven was invented. Sometimes I wonder if some of the senseless violence we that occurs... such as Sandy Point and other shootings, is influenced by tests like this.

Re:Truth is HAARP is no longer needed (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007815)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program

In the Wiki article, the claim that it is 'open research' meaning the public can find out from public records, including Scientific Journals what is being conducted. Several Universities are involved, it is open [I believe once a year] to the public to tour.

However it is as open as they make it seem, not when compared to other federally ran projects, Jesse Ventura tried to get access to the site and was denied. However Scientists domestic or foreign, even leaders or politicians do not need security clearances to enter the facility. But it would appear you have to file paper work in order to get approval to visit the site, if not and you show up you can be 'turned away' from entering.

I'm not buying into these theories, but there is some sort of classified status with some of the experiments, because of scientists/military findings. And it would appear this isn't the end of this, other countries also have HAARP type projects. And the Wiki article also mentions that this could be applied to a mobile unit.

Re:Truth is HAARP is no longer needed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47008859)

However it is as open as they make it seem, not when compared to other federally ran projects, Jesse Ventura tried to get access to the site and was denied. However Scientists domestic or foreign, even leaders or politicians do not need security clearances to enter the facility. But it would appear you have to file paper work in order to get approval to visit the site, if not and you show up you can be 'turned away' from entering.

Or you could just show up on an open house day...

Re:Truth is HAARP is no longer needed (1)

Sockatume (732728) | about 3 months ago | (#47009001)

Being turned away at the gate because you turned up without any paperwork would be pretty normal procedure at any laboratory, public or private; they don't just let strangers in to wander around you know.

Project done? (2)

SJ (13711) | about 3 months ago | (#47007639)

If the military don't want something any more, it usually means 1 of 3 things.

- 1. They are no longer interested as they have something better.
- 2. They have finished their research and have succeeded in weaponising/miniaturising it.
- 3. The people that set it up and were milking the cash have all gone and the new guys can't work out what it does or how it works any more.

Re:Project done? (4, Insightful)

Ambitwistor (1041236) | about 3 months ago | (#47007679)

Or:

- 4. Didn't turn out to be all that useful for routine military applications, despite earlier hopes.

Re:Project done? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007757)

Or this plus they were supporting mostly civilian research that was unrelated to any direct military use, so the small amount of unsuccessful or limited practicality military research was not enough to justify a much larger program of basic research.

Re:Project done? (1)

hubie (108345) | about 3 months ago | (#47007715)

I disagree with your overly-pessimistic comments.

1. Perhaps, but more likely because this is basic research it also can simply have shown to have not panned out.

2. For research at this level, it is never really "finished." There are always avenues to explore and interesting things to look into. The hard part is convincing a funding agency to let you go down those rat holes. The leap between basic research and "weaponizing" is bigger than the leap between basic research and commercializing. In other words, it happens very rarely.

3. I would like to see you provide some examples of this, particularly if you are suggesting this is so common as to happen regularly.

There are many things imposed upon the DoD that they do not want, but Congress inserts them via pork. Stevens was probably the best example of the worst part of the pork barrel process. He probably sent more money to Alaska than Byrd did to West Virginia (remember "the bridge to nowhere"? That was a tiny drop in the Stevens pork money ocean). One example off the top of my head, I recall years ago that he tried to have a NSF polar monitoring station (remember, this is supposed to be in the polar regions) moved to Alaska because it is cold there too. You can easily google major weapons programs the DoD doesn't want, but can't cancel because of pork.

The Air Force isn't going to spend their limited R&D funding on something that was set up with pork money unless it actually turns out to show that it has value (pork doesn't necessarily mean the idea is bad, but more often than not if the idea was good enough to stand up to peer review and other criticism, it would get funding via some legitimate channel).

Re:Project done? (1)

Ogive17 (691899) | about 3 months ago | (#47007765)

You forgot one

4. It was a waste of time and money from the beginning and the sponsoring politician is now dead

Re:Project done? (1)

Chris Mattern (191822) | about 3 months ago | (#47008099)

4. It was a waste of time and money from the beginning and the sponsoring politician is now dead

What gets me is that Stevens has been dead for *four years* and only now are they finally able to close this boondoggle up.

Re:Project done? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47008283)

That's part of three, with the milking of the cash being slightly indirect.

Re:Project done? (1)

dcw3 (649211) | about 3 months ago | (#47008371)

You missed one other important one.
4. It was forced upon them by Congress.

Simple example of this is that nearly all branches of the service have bases or forts in every state. Is it necessary for the defense of the nation? Hell no. Is it necessary for each state to get it's "share" of the business? Obviously.

typical (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007791)

no matter what conspiracy turns out to be true it seems they always have to attach fringe theories like mind control to the subject so researchers are not only still considered wrong but still considered nut jobs as well.

Re:typical (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47008221)

Chun let his man blow it up. Everything else is according to Chun's plan.

Re:typical (1)

Sockatume (732728) | about 3 months ago | (#47008267)

HAARP isn't a conspiracy theory; its existence, functioning and purpose were never secret. (No doubt the military had its own applications for the results, of course.) The idea that HAARP is responsible for mind control is a conspiracy theory.

Not true! Obama extended HARP! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007801)

So say three or four friendly emails from such wonderful people that I get every hour.

The internet is a great place to help each other! I heard about a poor Nigerian prince who was having some troubles, so I sent him a bit of cash. He says he's going to reward me for helping him. I can't wait!

What the HAARP is (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47007931)

From articles, over the horizon ground penetrating radar that could fond command and control bunkers. Similar configurations known to have been used as radar arrays, communications arrays - signals can be bounced off the ionosphere. Possibly to study particle beam guidance using plasma lens effect, or even interestingly as a type of Tesla death ray device which used powered towers to generate an energy wave whose frequency wave would generate between the ionosphere and the ground. As for chem trails, just think contrails, the military also dump fuel from the wingtips before landings, and dumping of septic, perhaps. The internet is creating a new phenomenon around folk legends because it grantees eyes on u tube and revenue from adds. U tube drives this by serving up this drivel and squeezing out a lot of quality content in the race for the bottom dollar.

My smartphone is more powerful than HAARP anyways (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47008515)

What's next for the tin foil hat brigade? ...

#badbios .. duh nuh nuuuuuuh!

What does this mean? (1)

kilfarsnar (561956) | about 3 months ago | (#47008535)

'We're moving on to other ways of managing the ionosphere, which the HAARP was really designed to do,' he said. 'To inject energy into the ionosphere to be able to actually control it. But that work has been completed.' Comments of that sort have given rise to endless conspiracy theories, portraying HAARP as a super weapon capable of mind control or weather control, with enough juice to trigger hurricanes, tornadoes and earthquakes."

So, what does that statement mean then? In what ways are we "managing" the ionosphere and for what purposes? I have been down quiet a number of conspiracy rabbit holes, and this one never really grabbed me. It's long on speculation and suspicion but short on actual reasons for thinking HAARP is used for no-good. But I agree, when people make comments like this, it makes me wonder what it is used for.

Does anyone here know how and for what purposes we manage the ionosphere?

Re:What does this mean? (3)

LWATCDR (28044) | about 3 months ago | (#47008647)

"Does anyone here know how and for what purposes we manage the ionosphere?"

Yes but if they told you they would have to kill you.....

Actually it is simple, RF propagation.
For communications, sigint, comint, and radar. Yes the radar would have to use lower bands than the typical microwave but HF and even VHF radar is nothing new and is returning to popularity thanks to stealth.

Re:What does this mean? (2)

kilfarsnar (561956) | about 3 months ago | (#47008957)

Ah, interesting. Do you mean they bounce such signals off the ionosphere? If so, how does that require management of the ionosphere?

Re:What does this mean? (1)

iggymanz (596061) | about 3 months ago | (#47008817)

well known to hams, and those who listen to shortwave, and those who try to listen to stations far away that normally can't be heard (used to be called DXers, maybe they still are) the ionospheres properties change by day and night, by seasons, by geomagnetic and solar activity.

HAARP explored those changes and propagation, and also changes by injecting RF into ionsphere (on a tiny, tiny scale compared to natural forces)

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