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Adobe Creative Cloud Services Offline (Again?)

timothy posted about 6 months ago | from the more-moving-parts-to-fail dept.

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New submitter jvp (27996) writes "Adobe's authentication system for its Creative Cloud as well as its website services is down, and has been since Wednesday (14 May) afternoon. What this means: If you're a Creative Cloud subscriber, you can't log into your account via the desktop application. Online services such as the fonts are not available. Applications (eg: Photoshop, Premiere, etc) will continue to work. Softpedia has a nice article on it, but their time frames are off quite a bit." As of this writing, a message on the Adobe Creative Cloud page says "Creative Cloud is currently undergoing maintenance. Please check back later. Thank you for your patience." Even though I've come to like some remote-hosted software, like gmail, I don't think I'd want tools for manipulating local media tied even loosely to the uptime of a remote computer (or network connection).

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Money (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47008995)

Who needs to earn money using other people's paid-for product anyway?

The Internet is not always-on (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009011)

Old man yells at cloud.

NO Photoshop for you! (4, Insightful)

bazmail (764941) | about 6 months ago | (#47009043)

Wasn't avoiding the "single point of failure" a large part of the reason for cloud services being pushed in our faces in the first place?

This is truly a spectacular failure on Adobe's part.

Re: NO Photoshop for you! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009081)

Calm down you dolt. No self respecting photographer relies on CC for file storage, did you miss the part about applications continuing to work?

Re: NO Photoshop for you! (0, Flamebait)

bazmail (764941) | about 6 months ago | (#47009145)

Dolt? Did you miss the part about the license validation services being offline?
I guess so.


You are the most dangerous kind of techie of all, you know more than nothing but less than enough, and are not afraid to use it.

Re: NO Photoshop for you! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009341)

What's that say for you, then, as someone who assumptively dismisses the knowledge of others as being factually incorrect, while it is, in fact, your own assertion that is wrong. CC apps work for up to 60 days offline before needing re-validated.

Dolt.

Re: NO Photoshop for you! (3, Informative)

Timothy Hartman (2905293) | about 6 months ago | (#47009353)

If today was the day you needed to revalidate you'll be having some hassles, though. 60 days is only if you got in for a year at a time, also.

Re: NO Photoshop for you! (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 6 months ago | (#47009351)

Which means that Adobe has something like 89 days to get the servers running. It checks monthly, but you can go off line for quite some time before it has hissies.

If you're addicted to TypeKit or if you are one of the five people using their cloud storage, you might have an issue.

The rest of us, not so much. In fact, if the software quits pestering me about Yet Another Upgrade Today, I'd be perfectly happy.

Re: NO Photoshop for you! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009529)

Dolt? Did you miss the part about "single piont of failure"?

Re: NO Photoshop for you! (1)

Ol Olsoc (1175323) | about 6 months ago | (#47009267)

Calm down you dolt. No self respecting photographer relies on CC for file storage, did you miss the part about applications continuing to work?

You apparently missed the point about the web services being unavailable. Or don't self respcting Photographers use any of them? Or do you justg have no ability to comprehend anything beyond what you personally do?

Re: NO Photoshop for you! (1)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about 6 months ago | (#47009277)

You obviously know your post is that of a stupid person, or you would have put your name on it. Why be stupid in public when you're aware of the problem? Does insulting people help with your appropriately low self-esteem?

Re: NO Photoshop for you! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009553)

If you're going to call someone a dolt, make sure your subsequent point doesn't make you look like a moron. k?

Re:NO Photoshop for you! (5, Informative)

jvp (27996) | about 6 months ago | (#47009087)

Fortunately, as I pointed out: you can still the CC apps while this debacle is being un-FUBAR'd. That is unless it takes them up to 2 months to fix it, at which point the app will no longer be able to authenticate and validate your subscription. THEN it's "NO Photoshop for you!"

If it takes them that long to fix this, then they are truly, completely, and absolutely incompetent...

Re:NO Photoshop for you! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009117)

If it takes them that long to fix this, then they are truly, completely, and absolutely incompetent...

Adobe, incompetent? I wasn't aware that there was any doubt about that?

Re:NO Photoshop for you! (1)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about 6 months ago | (#47009295)

>Adobe, incompetent? I wasn't aware that there was any doubt about that?

I'm sure there is. They've accomplished more than most companies. Have you written anything as useful as Premiere or Photoshop?

Re:NO Photoshop for you! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009441)

Adobe didn't write Photoshop [wikipedia.org] , at least not initially.

Re:NO Photoshop for you! (1)

GuB-42 (2483988) | about 6 months ago | (#47009939)

Adobe are really good at making image processing software.
But for everything else, especially all this "online" stuff, they are clearly incompetent.

Re:NO Photoshop for you! (1)

lgw (121541) | about 6 months ago | (#47010093)

Adobe hasn't done anything demonstrating even basic competence in over 10 years. Plus there's Flash to lay at their feet. Can IQ be negative, when applied to a group?

Re:NO Photoshop for you! (5, Informative)

Robert Duncan (3655845) | about 6 months ago | (#47009311)

Not all CC apps will work. If you have, for example, used CC fonts in an InDesign document, you won't be able view them properly or publish the document if you can't sign into CC.

Re:NO Photoshop for you! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009865)

Not quite. If you have to replace your laptop or drive now then you're also up the creek.

Re:NO Photoshop for you! (1, Funny)

StripedCow (776465) | about 6 months ago | (#47009225)

Here's a link that could be interesting to those affected:
http://www.gimp.org/ [gimp.org]

Re:NO Photoshop for you! (2, Insightful)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about 6 months ago | (#47009305)

Probably not. Few people want to migrate to less-capable software. Learning new software is only worthwhile if the new software is more capable than the software you're currently familiar with.

Re:NO Photoshop for you! (1)

Timothy Hartman (2905293) | about 6 months ago | (#47009395)

For those of us who depend on Photoshop for print work Gimp does not cut it. Gimp has come a long way, but nowhere on that way has it been beneficial for print work that I see on a business level. In terms of layout, nothing holds a candle to Adobe either. I'd love to ditch their software after the whole rent to never own software model, but all I can do is not move to CC and make sure they don't get a monthly bounty out of our company's workstations by keeping with the perpetually licensed software.

Re:NO Photoshop for you! (1)

UnknownSoldier (67820) | about 6 months ago | (#47009989)

> For those of us who depend on Photoshop for print work Gimp does not cut it.

Agreed. GIMP is still missing Layer Effects.

At least it supports nested layer groups, and all the blend modes, finally.

Every few years I try to load a logo I made with Photoshop Creative Suite into GIMP and see if it will display correctly. Every few years it slowly inches towards rendering correctly.

Re:NO Photoshop for you! (3, Insightful)

Ol Olsoc (1175323) | about 6 months ago | (#47009253)

Wasn't avoiding the "single point of failure" a large part of the reason for cloud services being pushed in our faces in the first place? This is truly a spectacular failure on Adobe's part.

The Cloud can NEVER fail. NEVER I tell you! Only we can fail the cloud.

Software as a service has only one thing to recommend it. When it fails, just like it has here, you'll have someone else to blame it on. Of course your boss might not believe you, since he or she has been sold on the cloud and all it emcompasses is the zenith of civilization, the first thing mainkind has ever designed that is fail safe, and will never ever have a problem.

Re:NO Photoshop for you! (0)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about 6 months ago | (#47009349)

>The Cloud can NEVER fail. NEVER I tell you! Only we can fail the cloud.

It really can't as long as your architecture is sound. Depending on a single cloud provider is a design failure. This does not undermine the value of having a 3rd party manage servers and software so you don't need to do it in-house.

>Software as a service has only one thing to recommend it. When it fails, just like it has here, you'll have someone else to blame it on.

Your inability to see the benefits does not cause them to not exist.

> Of course your boss might not believe you, since he or she has been sold on the cloud and all it emcompasses is the zenith of civilization

If your boss doesn't believe his own eyes, you have a more serious problem than a software outage.

You come across a zealot who should never be taken seriously.

Re:NO Photoshop for you! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009473)

There IS NO "sound" architecture. At least, for universal use cases. And for the expectations set to the bosses/masses. The problem is the expectation has been set that "cloud" (or "public cloud" for you enterprise architects) means "someone else runs it, and it has 100% uptime", at the same time, the masses/bosses have been led to believe that "internet facing service (basically everything on the net)" is now "cloud". Those two views are conflicting. Obviously.

If you want to make sure your word docs are synced to multiple places, fine, but anything with large amounts of data will have problems somewhere. There's no cost-effective way to address copying and making available that much data at this point in time.

Just look at Amazon failures a few years back - and they're one of the best solutions around. There are far, far worse "cloud" solutions around (I've been involved in more than a few) - where the management says things like "don't worry about designing redundant " we'll get to it later. I guarantee downtime.

Re:NO Photoshop for you! (2)

Xaedalus (1192463) | about 6 months ago | (#47009643)

Have to second this--while there is such a thing as "Sound" cloud architecture, it exists only in theory because it's astronomically expensive to put into practice, enormously difficult to keep going, and (here's the killer) completely fails to account for human stupidity. To get metaphorical: Amazon is the best at cloud architecture because they've got massive amounts of RAID arrays on steroids, but they cannot account for human stupidity and/or ignorance. Most cloud providers run on a far less complex set-up of RAID arrays with tape backups. They basically run a mainframe in a cost effective manner, and have traded a certain amount of risk in exchange. This means they *will* go down at some point, despite their claims to the contrary, because they are running a mainframe system. And all systems fail.

Re:NO Photoshop for you! (1)

Em Adespoton (792954) | about 6 months ago | (#47010095)

Have to second this--while there is such a thing as "Sound" cloud architecture, it exists only in theory because it's astronomically expensive to put into practice, enormously difficult to keep going, and (here's the killer) completely fails to account for human stupidity. To get metaphorical: Amazon is the best at cloud architecture because they've got massive amounts of RAID arrays on steroids, but they cannot account for human stupidity and/or ignorance. Most cloud providers run on a far less complex set-up of RAID arrays with tape backups. They basically run a mainframe in a cost effective manner, and have traded a certain amount of risk in exchange. This means they *will* go down at some point, despite their claims to the contrary, because they are running a mainframe system. And all systems fail.

And that's just looking at the storage an availability side of things.
The other thing about cloud anything is authentication -- either you have a single point of authentication which can fail, or you have multiple points of authentication, which are a security nightmare. In reality, the cloud is usually both filled with single points of failure AND security nightmares; you never know who has access to your data, where it is stored, or when it will be available to you.

Cloud systems are an excellent fallback solution (so locally encrypted cloud backup is often a good thing) but I have yet to see a "cloud" solution that forces you to store data according to its rules and the applications are driven from cloud data that is cheaper/more trustworthy in the long run than just doing it all locally.

Re:NO Photoshop for you! (1)

sjames (1099) | about 6 months ago | (#47009825)

So what we need is the ALL NEW Cloud Cloud! No need to worry about your cloud going down when you have the Cloud Cloud!

Re:NO Photoshop for you! (1)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | about 6 months ago | (#47010317)

Creative Cloud isn't really a cloud service. It's just a website that authorizes your licenses every 2 months and provides an auto-updating service. They've never claimed Creative Cloud could never fail. They've honestly never even pitched it as cloud computing.

Re:NO Photoshop for you! (3, Insightful)

Dogtanian (588974) | about 6 months ago | (#47009447)

Wasn't avoiding the "single point of failure" a large part of the reason for cloud services being pushed in our faces in the first place?

No, that was only the rationale used to justify it to Photoshop users. The *reason* for it in many cases- such as this one- is quite obviously to increase software companies' control over users, and to get them used to a subscription model that provides those companies with a continuous income stream, rather than having the hassle of creating upgraded versions of software (gratuitous or otherwise (*)) and then having to convince users to pay for that upgrade when they might not feel the need for it.

That's not to say that cloud computing (i.e. distributed computing and distributed storage) is a bad idea in itself; of course, it has many theoretical benefits. But the concept has been co-opted and distorted by marketing, who have reduced the meaning of "cloud" to little more than a buzzword that applies to anything with online connectivity, even if that's not designed in a cloud-like way. And they've used that to make a method of control a selling point- or at least to try to sweeten the pill Photoshop users are being forced to swallow (**).

Really, what major cloud-like benefit does the latest Photoshop offer users? Does it let them harness the enormous power of a distributed computer network to massively speed up processing times on slow operations (vs. doing it on their own computer) in short bursts?

(*) Canonical example, Microsoft Word, which reached what most people needed several versions ago, but had to force upgrades to keep it selling, so kept adding new features, which also force other users who want to interoperate with those using the latest versions to *also* upgrade.
(**) Along the lines of (*) above, while some may argue that "you don't *have* to upgrade", those in industry who wish to interoperate with others and keep up with latest developments probably *will* need to upgrade eventually

Re:NO Photoshop for you! (3, Interesting)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about 6 months ago | (#47009651)

>is quite obviously to increase software companies' control over users

No, it only increases Adobe's control over their own software. This does not give them control over you. You can still do pretty much whatever you want with yourself or your own property.

>and to get them used to a subscription model that provides those companies with a continuous income stream

Of course. Do you somehow believe that companies should not be able to determine their own business-model? The fact that Adobe once offered an unlimited license to their software was their choice at the time. It didn't entitle you to anything regarding their future business.

Re:NO Photoshop for you! (1)

sjames (1099) | about 6 months ago | (#47009893)

Buy Adobe, shit a brick!

Adobe? (0)

Thud457 (234763) | about 6 months ago | (#47009095)

That sure casts the Firefox DRM decision in stark contrast now, doesn't it?

Re:Adobe? (1)

BitZtream (692029) | about 6 months ago | (#47009663)

No, and your post clearly demonstrates that you don't understand how either one work.

The best part... (5, Informative)

MachineShedFred (621896) | about 6 months ago | (#47009101)

The best part is that this is happening on the eve of Adobe canceling sales of perpetual licensing to Adobe Creative Suite products [cnet.com] . If you are a volume license customer, you will no longer be able to buy ANYTHING BUT Creative Cloud as of June 1; and you get to pay Adobe every month whether they update anything or not as expense rather than capital purchase.

Hooray for not having competition?

Re:The best part... (2)

jvp (27996) | about 6 months ago | (#47009127)

The best part is that this is happening on the eve of Adobe canceling sales of perpetual licensing to Adobe Creative Suite products [cnet.com]

I attached a comment to this article before it was posted, but it looks like timothy nuked it before he made it live.

This "sniff test" for this is: hack. Not maintenance. I say that because the authentication system went down, as best I can tell, around 1700EST Wednesday. Afternoon maintenance is not unheard of, but it seems like a silly and unlikely thing to do.

Hope I'm wrong about that.

Re:The best part... (2)

timothy (36799) | about 6 months ago | (#47010023)

Unfortunately, the comments attached to stories in the firehose don't stick when it's promoted / converted into a story on the Slashdot page. So, no nuking required (or intended), just a bit of a crufty system.

timothy

Re:The best part... (1)

WillAdams (45638) | about 6 months ago | (#47009313)

The sad thing is, I'm pretty sure that Adobe has had this in the works for over a decade now --- it's pretty obvious that for each application they identified a couple of killer features and set them aside to not be implemented for any version w/ perpetual licensing, implementing them only after the move to pay-as-you-go.

It also makes the ``release'' of CS2 when the activation servers were taken off-line look like an effort to take the wind out of the sails of competing products, incl. free and opensource ones.

Re:The best part... (2)

HangingChad (677530) | about 6 months ago | (#47009807)

I'm pretty sure that Adobe has had this in the works for over a decade now

I'm sure you're right. Just amazing too how customers, who might have otherwise used the same version of software for five or six years, suddenly warmed up to the idea of paying $600 a year, every year, year after year, and not really getting much in return for it. The video editors dropping Premiere is more than a minority. Sony and Avid have been gratefully accepting that new business. Since Apple tanked FCP with FCPX that leaves Avid, Vegas and a couple others to take up the slack.

This might be Corel's opportunity to kick up the functionality in PaintShop Pro.

Re:The best part... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47010017)

Actually FCPX is fucking great no matter what the bogus rumors started by Avid's marketing department would have you believe. Avid is a fucking awful company that makes overpriced shitty bullshit.

Re:The best part... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009343)

I really hope more people start looking at Apple Motion as an alternative to AE for mograph. Yeah, AE has better integration with C4D but so what, Motion has better integration with FCPX and Motion costs $50 forever rather than $50 a month. To hell with Adobe.

Re:The best part... (2)

WillAdams (45638) | about 6 months ago | (#47010085)

It's nice that there are alternatives for some of the apps, but things don't look so good for other apps:

  - InDesign --- Quark still hasn't caught back up, and Scribus is painful to use, w/ bizarre feature limitations --- I use LyX and xelatex (and moving to lualatex) instead, but not many people are willing to do that
  - Illustrator --- I'd rather have FreeHand, but still find Illustrator more capable than Corel Draw and Inkscape
  - PhotoShop --- fortunately, these are just pixel files, so anything will work, but the blunt truth is, if one is billing by the hour, you're probably leaving money on the table if you're not using PhotoShop

&c.

Re:The best part... (1)

captbob2002 (411323) | about 6 months ago | (#47009409)

State wide we are being strongly encouraged to find alternatives to Adobe products. Adobe told the university system to eff-off and well as a state consortium of CIOs for state agencies.

fine by me, they are being assholes.

The best part... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009417)

If you put yourself in a position depending on a single vendor, suit yourself. You deserve all kinds of bad things happening to you. I don't suppose it's Photoshop though. There are loads of alternatives.

Re:The best part... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009615)

go on. list them

Re:The best part... (4, Insightful)

realmolo (574068) | about 6 months ago | (#47009487)

The thing is, if you are heavily tied to Adobe products, paying $50/month to ALWAYS have the latest version is actually a good deal, from a usability perspective. Adobe likes to change/abandon file formats with every upgrade, and that causes issues. If you always have the newest version, you don't have to worry about that.

You're right, though: Adobe has no competition. But that isn't Adobe's fault. For all the screwy-ness of Adobe's software, they are STILL better than any of the alternatives, and basically always have been. They "won" their market legitimately.

Re:The best part... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009645)

Having the latest version is not the best thing.

Adobe CC for flash dropped TLF text support, (a lot of my old projects used it ) and I can't output projects as .exe's anymore. Plus adobe decided that the Design View in Flex should be dropped, so I'm continuing to use Flash CS6 and Flash Builder 4.6.

Re:The best part... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009747)

If you are heavily tied to adobe products you have no clue anyway.

Re:The best part... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009889)

Are you nuts?

> Adobe likes to change/abandon file formats with every upgrade, and that causes issues. If you always have the newest
> version, you don't have to worry about that.

So let's see. If you have a music/video/photo/programming project, you'd really like to upgrade, and then have to (on each version tick) open up and convert/fix every old file you have into a new format.

Sure. Nothing to worry about.

Re:The best part... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009717)

Look at the date of the article.. It was written LAST YEAR! You haven't been able to get CC products for a year (at least directly from Adobe) for a year. You can still box set from retailers, but no new boxes are being made.

Re:The best part... (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 6 months ago | (#47009733)

Goodbye, Adobe. Hello... hmm. What's a good alternative, preferably open source, to Frontpage?

And no, don't say HTML. This isn't for web-dev, it's for teaching a load of students to pretend they know what they are doing.

Why do people put up with this shit? (2)

the_humeister (922869) | about 6 months ago | (#47009103)

Most people will never learn.

Re:Why do people put up with this shit? (1)

NormHome (99305) | about 6 months ago | (#47009331)

You've got me, I've been warning my customers that Cloud services could be prone to outages like anything else.

I really hope that someone comes along and offers them some old style competition but IMHO the likelihood of that happening is slim to none. Adobe just has too much of a head start and no startup could compete with them out of the gate.

Re:Why do people put up with this shit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009471)

Point to a viable, professional grade option.

Please note the "professional grade" portion of that request.

Re:Why do people put up with this shit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009551)

No True Scotsman.

Re:Why do people put up with this shit? (2)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | about 6 months ago | (#47009937)

Point to a viable, professional grade option.

Please note the "professional grade" portion of that request.

for the proprietary camp you have Corel with painter, paintshop, corel draw, video studio, corel cad, word perfect and whatever their pdf editing software is called.
for open source, you have gimp, inkscape, blender,

Re:Why do people put up with this shit? (1)

Herder Of Code (2989779) | about 6 months ago | (#47009759)

Yes and use what? It's not like there's a serious option that's an industry standard. I've never worked in a game studio where artists used something else beside photoshop or someone would even consider something else. They have the same kind of lock in microsoft had, it's not just about the "os" it's about the giant ecosystem of plugin built around photoshop, the millions of line written in custom import script for art assets in most studios, etc.

Also, the thing that strikes me the most is that everyone seems to completely misunderstand the impact of the cloud service being down. They way Creative Cloud works right now is *the same* as Steam works, you use it to download and manage your software. You software is not running in the cloud, it's just a fancy pant download manager. The impact is NOTHING for users who have it installed. The only thing that's impacted is users who want to download photoshop or whatever. They do warn you: "Oh btw, you're not connected to cloud service, make sure to reconnect before the END OF AUGUST if you don't want your software to be disabled.

My users don't really care if their software is being installed through "Steam/Creative Cloud". As a matter of fact they are not allowed to mess with that anyway :). The real story is more how the licensing deals are changing, that's all. For the current studio I'm working at, we've found that *currently* the CC deal is way cheaper and anyway other options are going to disapear. It's not like we're stupid and we don't see what they're doing by trying trap us all with CC licences and THEN jack up the prices but there's not really any choice. Frankly they'd have to jack up prices to some pretty insane level before we'd have to call it quit, too much legacy software is riding on this.

Adobe will lose in the long run (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009133)

What a joke. Some company will come along and replace them as leader in the Graphic Design software market mark my words. It happened to the makers of Quark Xpress and it will happen to Adobe with their shitty attitude and overpriced software.

Re:Adobe will lose in the long run (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009223)

Like they did to Corel? They are still around, but I doubt many even look at their products. Last I had was Corel Photopaint 9, but I do hope they moved into a better direction.

Re:Adobe will lose in the long run (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009653)

Hard to believe there are some people that still use Corel. I guess old habits die hard. Adobe has no incentive to be nice and produce good upgrades for the money when there is very little competition. This will present an opportunity to those with the money and the know-how to make a better product and service than Adobe and take their customers away. The only reason people are sticking with Adobe is there are no good alternatives to them at the moment. Gimp is no Photoshop. Gimp is ok for home users but for professionals it is lacking.

Re:Adobe will lose in the long run (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009813)

Only problem...does Adobe have patents on some of the features/technology used in Photoshop? It might not be as simple as coding up an open source knock-off unfortunately.

Re:Adobe will lose in the long run (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009943)

If that is the case then the Graphic Design community might be screwed. Pirating software will probably end up being the way to go for many if Adobe keeps up this fee based cloud crap.

Re:Adobe will lose in the long run (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47010221)

Corel is very much alive and kicking, had a major release a few weeks ago (Coreldraw Graphic suite X7). Same is true for Quark actually.
Dont reduce Adobe to Photoshop , and yes Gimp is not there yet , nor is Inkscape or Scribus (although it s really getting there).
I have had the same discution again and again lately, there is just nothing i can do with Adobe products that i can do with Corel, My printer didnt see a difference, as i said in another comment i supply a industry standard PDF/X1a or X3 and my printer is happy (actually we did discuss it not long ago when he discovered i wasnt using Illustrator or Indesign, he was really surprised).
My work output is anything from logo to business card to posters (up to A0 size) and even books (but no catalogs, i have no expertise in those and couldnt say if my current workflow would work).

Stop believing the marketing machine about Photoshop or illustrator being Industry Standard, the only standard right now in print business is PDF.

Before Grabbing The Pitchforks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009153)

The apps will continue to work for a certain number of days depending on what sort of subscription you have. I do the yearly subscription and the message said I had until August. They need to fix it sooner than that and the fact that this has happened yet again, shows they really need to fix something.

Also, how many people on here even use Photoshop (since the Gimp is free and all) or if you are using Photoshop have paid for it?

Yay for cloud! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009161)

When will this cloud madness end?

It's The Exciting Cloud Future We All Must Love an (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009201)

Apparently Adobe Creative Suite (the rubbish offline-only, backwards-thinking, cloudless, land-based software) is no longer going to be updated:
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/05/adobes-creative-suite-is-dead-long-live-the-creative-cloud/

I guess this is our future people. Service disruption is the least of our concerns:
http://www.slrlounge.com/adobe-attacked-hackers-2-9-million-customers-compromised

Too much opensource, no support (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009215)

I think it shows to prove they've put too much reliance on completely openstack/opensource on their cloud environment and forgotten the importance of vendor QA and support management of enterprise class applications.

it saved them money though. and the only people that matter are the share holders after all!

Cloud? (1)

some old guy (674482) | about 6 months ago | (#47009217)

teh lulz!

Adobe Photoshop Down (2)

stenvar (2789879) | about 6 months ago | (#47009249)

As of this writing, a sticky note on your local computer says "Windows is currently undergoing maintenance. The drive was infected by a virus you caught from an Adobe Photoshop plugin and needs to be wiped completely. We're trying to recover as much of your data as possible" Even though I've come to like some locally-hosted software, like TextEdit, I don't think I'd want tools for manipulating local media tied even loosely to the uptime of my local computer (or Windows), or endanger my Windows installation by installing anything other than completely minimal software on it.

(Of course, Adobe Create Cloud may still suck and make you dependent on complex local and remote software, but cloud services in general have been a big win, at least for me.)

Re:Adobe Photoshop Down (2)

Timothy Hartman (2905293) | about 6 months ago | (#47009453)

I don't see how it could possibly be a win for anyone unless they only use the product a couple months out of the year and end up paying less than perpetual licenses. They failed on their file storage for the better part of a year, forced their type syncing garbage into apps if you don't use it, give out useless junk like Behance that is of no use to people who aren't looking to pimp a portfolio, and have added zero useful features that merit paying every month for it.

The only audience I can think this is good for is students, freelancers, and unemployed seeking an audience to showcase their work who can't build a proper portfolio or interview well.

Re:Adobe Photoshop Down (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009877)

Cloud services in general are a big win, but not in this case.

I watch a number of Youtubers that do video production professionally. Almost all of them mention at some point that they have external storage arrays. You can't beat that for dependability and volume. then your main editing rig shouldn't have more than a few day's work on it. If that goes down, you may have some trouble, but no more than a regular computer outage. If you're a creative professional, there's no excuse not to have multiple backups and an archive.

Your main workflow, on the other hand, shouldn't be constrained by your network. There's so many things that could wrong in that chain.
1. your computer
2. your router/LAN
3. your ISP
4. the internet (yeah, sometimes everything breaks)
5. Adobe's servers

as opposed to just (1) if you've purchased a static installation.

Cloud Services are the FUTURE! (2)

argStyopa (232550) | about 6 months ago | (#47009263)

Hype/

Why isn't everyone migrating to the cloud? Cloud apps are fantastic! They enable collaboration! Everything's great! Join the Cloud or be a dinosaur!"
. /hype

Steam is about the only cloud service that is reasonably adequate, and that's because if a game isn't available, it's not that big a deal.

But for work-critical software? If you are "in the cloud" you're gambling with your livelihood.

Re:Cloud Services are the FUTURE! (5, Insightful)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 6 months ago | (#47009407)

For all of you who take your cue from the Adobe marketing team, the moniker "Creative Cloud" is really a misnomer. Yes, the applications have to hit the authentication servers - every 90 days or so. The applications are run locally. The only thing that is 'cloudlike' is Adobe's 'Behance' service which is a store, a Dropbox wannabe and a typeface collection.

It's a dick move and one that benefits Adobe rather than Adobe's customers (amazing ...), but it's Not The End Of The World.

Re:Cloud Services are the FUTURE! (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 6 months ago | (#47009745)

I get the impression some PHB decided that The Cloud* was going to be the next big thing and demanded it be incorporated somehow.

*Sarcasm capitals.

suffered a massive security breach? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009303)

whenever some big corporate piece of shit has surprise mystery downtime it usually means they got owned hard and won't admit it while their pathetic h1bs scurry around trying to find out what happened.

for those who do not speak native Adobe (2)

nimbius (983462) | about 6 months ago | (#47009325)

Creative Cloud is currently undergoing maintenance. Please check back later. Thank you for your patience.

"Creative Moneytrain is, as are all your documents and immediately concerning projects, dead in the water for what you may as well assume is indefinitely. Check back now, or later, or whenever and it might be randomly back up. Thank you for patiently accepting the fact that we as a corporation to which you have gladly provided 4.4 billion dollars in revenue do not now, nor have we ever cared about what it is that concerns you regarding our products or services. please piddle around angrily in Gimp until your overwhelming frustration and lack of attention span sends you galloping back to our cold teat."

SAAS Fail you loose your stuff (1)

Virtucon (127420) | about 6 months ago | (#47009381)

Is it me or is Adobe really taking a dump in terms of product and reliability?

Re:SAAS Fail you loose your stuff (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 6 months ago | (#47009443)

It is you. Turn the damn fan on!

working for me 5/15/14 11:36 AM EST (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009413)

the desktop apps are working for me... no problems... I mean the website is down, yes, but the applications that are loaded on your machine work fine... and I can certainly access the creative cloud app that lets you install new ones... and as far as I know the sync stuff seems to be up too.. I don't use the fonts sync, but the file sync certainly is working for me...

Worst Case Scenario = War (2)

BoRegardless (721219) | about 6 months ago | (#47009423)

What happens when the intercontinental Internet goes down because of War or other cataclysmic event?

The history of both the Earth and mankind says these events will happen.

At that point, how do companies and countries continue functioning "when the cable gets cut?"

Re:Worst Case Scenario = War (4, Funny)

Timothy Hartman (2905293) | about 6 months ago | (#47009513)

That's the kind of thing that keeps me up at night. In the event of a catastrophic event that could upset the lives of millions where will my InDesign layouts. When I rise from my bunker I'm going to still have trusty CS6 and those Creative Cloud subscribers are going to starve.

Enough with the F*ckin Beta thing already!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009429)

Subject says it all!!!!!!

and this is one of the reason i jumped ship (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009499)

When Adobe revealed CC i took the time to think about what it would imply. Then when it was released i tested it (i was still on CS4 at the time)
I wasnt convinced and the price wasnt to my liking (yes some people do buy Adobe products.....) so i surveyed the market to see what could replace them for my need (raster editing, vector editing and page layout so basically photoshop, illustrator and indesign).
I m now a satisfied Corel customer (seriously GIMP got a crappy interface, Inkscape is just not there yet, only Scribus was kinda cutting it), my printer didnt even see a difference, a PDF is a PDF (well PDF/X1a are anyway) and actually some operations are easier now , other are the same and a few are more difficult, but i can do everything that i previously could. And i freaking own the licence to X7 so even if Corel goes belly up i can use my software, i can also use it when the net is down (which happens from time to time, price to pay for living away from the city), and i can upgrade when i need to and not because they decided i should.
I m not the only one, saying that Adobe is Industry Standard is just Marketing BS nothing more, if anything the software i now use is actually better in some places.

no library e-books while authentication servers ar (2)

iamscottevil (714259) | about 6 months ago | (#47009585)

I tried to download some e-books from my library website, adobe digital editions is dead while this the authentication system is down, so can't read any e-books. Another disappointment courtesy DRM.

library e-books fail to work while adobe is down (5, Informative)

iamscottevil (714259) | about 6 months ago | (#47009603)

I tried to download some e-books from my library website, adobe digital editions is dead while this the authentication system is down, so can't get any e-books. And it's been more than a day without any explanation. Another disappointment courtesy DRM.

Re:library e-books fail to work while adobe is dow (-1, Offtopic)

DogDude (805747) | about 6 months ago | (#47010011)

I tried to download some e-books from my library website, adobe digital editions is dead while this the authentication system is down, so can't get any e-books. And it's been more than a day without any explanation. Another disappointment courtesy DRM.

That's interesting. I wouldn't know because the books I get from my library are made from *paper* and don't ever have "downtime".

WoW! (4, Funny)

jeff13 (255285) | about 6 months ago | (#47009649)

Damn you Blizzard! I pay a subscription, you're down again and... oh wait. nm

Shouldn't even need a cloud (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009687)

You shouldn't need a cloud to be creative. I don't want to buy a subcscription, I want to own the software so I can upgrade when I want, not when Adobe pushes an update.

I didn't even notice. (2)

SocialEngineer (673690) | about 6 months ago | (#47009711)

I work as a graphic and web designer, and I live in Photoshop and Illustrator. We don't utilize Typekit, or the cloud storage, so it didn't really affect us here at the office.

As long as I can still do my job, I'm fine. I'm not a HUGE fan of CC's monthly sub, but the cost/benefit ratio can be insanely beneficial if you HAVE the money for the monthly fee. Now, for my freelance work? Forget it. I'm still using CS2 at home, and don't see it changing right now unless I come into a huge chunk of change.

If you're dumb enough to trust "the cloud" (0)

gestalt_n_pepper (991155) | about 6 months ago | (#47009775)

And you had production work to get out *today* then you just paid your stupidity tax. Start looking at Gimp or Corel Draw. You may not like them, but they're there when the "cloud" disappears or the internet is down.

Hey Hey, Get Off of My Cloud (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009785)

Photoshop 5?
AE 3?

nothin like workin hardware and serial numbers to meet deadlines

"Let the Sun Shine in." - Age of Aquarius/Hey The Sunshine

Adobe Photoshop CC (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009833)

I have an annual CC subscription and I am not able to open up Photoshop. It says to validate my subscription. So having an annual subscription does not work. If you are able to continue to use Photoshop and other programs, you are one of the lucky ones. I had a deadline last night at 7pm PST and I did not meet that deadline. I told my client to wait until this morning but CC is still down. So much for you can work offline. I called Adobe Customer Service and they told me to disconnect from the Internet to fix the problem. That did not work. They said they cannot help me because they were not able to log in and check on anyone's account. So, so disappointed.

Should have used node.js! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009963)

This wouldn't be a problem if they used node.js. Node is non-blocking so it never goes offline. And it's javascript so it's fast and has monads and stuff.

I don't like the cloud. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47009971)

and so I run lubuntu on my chromeook. If it's 0300, and my 'book is on the home network, it backs up to desktop box. one o' these days, I'll get a modern tape drive and make monthly complete backups to be stored offsite. (oblig xkcd #1200)

This is why CS 6 will hang around forever (4, Interesting)

sandbagger (654585) | about 6 months ago | (#47010207)

Creative Suite 6 will become Adobe's XP. Solid enough that no-one ever really needs to upgrade and expose themselves to cloud evaporations.

Same thing happened last year on the same day (1)

neilo_1701D (2765337) | about 6 months ago | (#47010251)

Wonderful comment in the Softpedia comments, linking to this:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2... [theregister.co.uk]

Oops.

Boycott Adobe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47010267)

'Creative Cloud' is a callous attempt to grab your wallet by Adobe. It's neither creative nor cloud for Adobe customers. It is creative financing for them and a chokepoint for licensing. Adobe should be boycotted out of existence for its hubris.
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