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You've Got Male: Amazon's Growth Impacting Seattle Dating Scene

timothy posted about 2 months ago | from the truth-in-action dept.

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reifman (786887) writes "San Francisco's gender imbalance is so bad that a startup recently proposed flying women in from New York City for dates. But, if you're a straight male thinking of moving to Seattle to work in technology, think again. Seattle's gender ratio is even more imbalanced and it's about to get much worse for men. Amazon is building out enough space to employ 5% of the city population and its workforce is 75 percent male. By the end of 2014, Seattle will have 130 single men for every 100 single women."

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As in? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47011471)

Gay and lesbian?

Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47011473)

Brazzers.

Re:Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47011801)

que?

Sounds like a Marketing opportunity ladies! (5, Funny)

AutodidactLabrat (3506801) | about 2 months ago | (#47011485)

Tell me ladies, are you not very attractive, given to big glasses and serious introspection?
COME TO SILICON VALLEY, learn useless coding techniques, give out buggy code and ask the nerdiest soon-to-be-billionaire to help you grow in the profession.
After the divorce, you won't ever have to work again!

Re:Sounds like a Marketing opportunity ladies! (4, Insightful)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 2 months ago | (#47011913)

No, it's more like work long hours with your partner to create a dual income family and still be unable to afford a decent house close to work. Occasionally you will meet someone who has a friend who knows someone who made enough money to retire early.

But the real question is.. (4, Interesting)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | about 2 months ago | (#47011493)

Will it have 13 men per 10 women? 26 men per 20 women?

Will it even have... 30% more men than women???

Re:But the real question is.. (5, Funny)

harvestsun (2948641) | about 2 months ago | (#47011697)

1,300,000,000 men to every 1,000,000,000 women!
That's three hundred million men!
BIG NUMBERS BETTER.

Re:But the real question is.. (5, Funny)

immaterial (1520413) | about 2 months ago | (#47012065)

1.3 men for every woman. Of course, the women see through this - the extra 0.3 he's claiming is typical male exaggeration.

Happily Married (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47011495)

I am certainly glad to have at least gotten out of one rat race. Good luck out their guys. At least those jobs will pay enough so that you can travel to place that still have single women.

Re:Happily Married (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47011611)

Yeah, until she decides she wants that eat pray love lifestyle at your expense.. Then you'll be in the divorced and destitute husband rat race.

you've got male (0)

OffTheLip (636691) | about 2 months ago | (#47011509)

If only there was a way to create a more equally gender balanced workforce...

Re:you've got male (5, Funny)

misexistentialist (1537887) | about 2 months ago | (#47011607)

Give every programmer a secretary?

Re:you've got male (0, Flamebait)

fermion (181285) | about 2 months ago | (#47011641)

pretty much. Or hire more gay men. Or just accept the misogynistic nature of places like this in the northwest and provide furnished apartments [urbandictionary.com] .

Re:you've got male (-1, Troll)

jellomizer (103300) | about 2 months ago | (#47011661)

It is harder then it seems.
There are a lot of Woman who just don't want to go into technology.
For many reasons.
1. Culturally: Woman should have jobs working directly with people, Men should have jobs avoiding people.

2. Geeky Culture: A lot of it is very male centrist, the idea of going to technology means you will need to interact with a culture many do not find appealing.

3. Catch 22: Woman do not want to go into technology because their isn't enough women in technology.

4. Peer pressure: If a woman shows an interest going to technology, their friends will try to dissuade them.

Re:you've got male (2, Insightful)

tylikcat (1578365) | about 2 months ago | (#47011811)

Like, say, men who make random generalizations about women?

Re:you've got male (1)

jythie (914043) | about 2 months ago | (#47011815)

Difficult yes, but it would be a solution to issues like this.

Re:you've got male (1, Insightful)

benzapp (464105) | about 2 months ago | (#47011821)

It is 2014. It is not 1974. The whole tabula rasa myth is a proven lie. The whole "politically correct protected class is a social construct and is oppressed due to evil white men" is a lie. We have vast genetic studies across the world that disprove all of this.

Women are not interested in technology, period. As with any natural law, there are exceptions. In this case, they are very few. The reason is simple: the intelligence and creative drive that lends itself to technology and art evolved in humans as male display of genetic fitness. Just as the peacock has feathers, and songbirds sing their songs, it is our raw intelligence that is the best predictor of deleterious genetic load. Yes, the evil geneticists can predict the deleterious genetic load of animals based upon their mating displays. Human females, like virtually all female animals, have evolved to judge genetic fitness based upon whatever is the characteristic of a particular species or subspecies. Technology is such a display that simply does not interest the vast majority of females.

This is old news now. The first book to delve into it, before the human genome was decoded, came out in 2001 [amazon.com] . Behavioral genetics and evolutionary pscyhology have become such important fields, the former editor of the Science section of the New York Times just released a whole book on the subject last week [amazon.com] .

Strangely, slashdot type geeks appear to be the least amenable to evolutionary theory. Sure, they like Dawkins. They think people who believe in God are stupid. They believe apes evolved into humans, but THEN. evolution stopped. And, all people became equal. Especially nerdy white guys with aspergers.

In my experience, this is due to the very naive hope that belief in this strange geek religion of human equality will get said geeks laid. It doesn't. It never has. It never will.

Re:you've got male (4, Funny)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about 2 months ago | (#47012129)

>Men should have jobs avoiding people.

I think you're projecting your social phobia onto other men. Many of us are fine dealing with people.

Re:you've got male (1)

Wycliffe (116160) | about 2 months ago | (#47011899)

Balancing workforces is an interesting problem. I would also like to see more balancing but in a different
area. It would be nice if you could balance jobs so that they are 50% desk and 50% physical instead of
a majority of jobs being either 100% sitting on your butt or 100% physically exhausting.
If you created jobs with varying attributes and varying responsibilities then it might also help issues like
gender issues as alot of gender biases in occupation come down to gender differences. Women are
more likely to chose a job where they interact and help people and are less likely to chose a job where
they stare at a screen all day with minimal interaction with other people.

Presumption (1)

HeckRuler (1369601) | about 2 months ago | (#47011511)

So.... just to throw this out there. Why the presumption that Amazon's new hires will be 75% male?

Re:Presumption (4, Insightful)

NotDrWho (3543773) | about 2 months ago | (#47011613)

Why the presumption that Amazon's new hires will be 75% male?

Well, about 85% of CS grads today are male. But if it makes you feel better, they could hire more women for the packing floor.

Re:Presumption (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47011689)

You assume that the majority of the additional 12,000 employees will tech people. I think it would be safe to say that quite a large number of them will be working with different aspects of the company.

Re:Presumption (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47012111)

Like the warehouse? Lots of women in those jobs [eyeroll]

Re:Presumption (1)

Em Adespoton (792954) | about 2 months ago | (#47011673)

So.... just to throw this out there. Why the presumption that Amazon's new hires will be 75% male?

Because most women wouldn't put up with the working environment?

That's the real issue, even beyond women being conditioned (naturally or socially) to not value this kind of activity -- women tend to place more value on working environment.

As a result, you get places like NYC having a huge gender imbalance the other direction (good social scene, good food, etc.) -- actually, most urban centers tend to gender imbalance slightly to the feminine side -- and centers that are focused on manual labor or IT tend to gender imbalance to the masculine side.

One odd bit is that I thought these imbalances usually leveled out at around 20% -- so an extra 10% beyond the norm could result in interesting dynamics (my guess is that it'll result in more married men with underpaid wives working for Amazon).

Re:Presumption (1)

Wycliffe (116160) | about 2 months ago | (#47011967)

my guess is that it'll result in more married men with underpaid wives working for Amazon.

Luckily IT is a profession where you can usually afford to have only a single household income so my guess is
alot of wives would choose to not work vs taking a low paying job just to have a job.

H1Bs? (-1, Flamebait)

FuegoFuerte (247200) | about 2 months ago | (#47011523)

I suspect this isn't so bad for American men as the OP lets on. Consider the effect of H1Bs on these numbers... I live in Seattle; all the large tech companies here (and even a lot of the smaller ones) hire a disproportionate number of H1B holders, most from India. Most Indians aren't after American women, they either come here with a wife already, or their family back in India arranges a marriage, they fly home for a few weeks and come back married.

I know plenty of single girls, and I've never had a problem finding a date. It does require leaving work at work and going out to places where other single people congregate, and it helps to not be a total jackass, but I don't think we're really anywhere near as unbalanced as this would lead one to believe.

0.0002% are H1B (-1, Troll)

raymorris (2726007) | about 2 months ago | (#47011693)

Considering that the number of H1Bs is limited to 0.0002% of the population, they might make a good scapegoat, but tthey make essentially zero impact on anything.

Re:0.0002% are H1B (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47011845)

Unless all of them is in the same room. Then it gets quite crowded.

Re:0.0002% are H1B (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47012067)

Considering that the number of H1Bs is limited to 0.0002% of the population, they might make a good scapegoat, but tthey make essentially zero impact on anything.

It may be .0002% of the total US population, but it's not a uniform distribution across all states, cities, and companies.

Re:H1Bs? (2)

Em Adespoton (792954) | about 2 months ago | (#47011695)

I suspect this isn't so bad for American men as the OP lets on. Consider the effect of H1Bs on these numbers... I live in Seattle; all the large tech companies here (and even a lot of the smaller ones) hire a disproportionate number of H1B holders, most from India. Most Indians aren't after American women, they either come here with a wife already, or their family back in India arranges a marriage, they fly home for a few weeks and come back married.

I know plenty of single girls, and I've never had a problem finding a date. It does require leaving work at work and going out to places where other single people congregate, and it helps to not be a total jackass, but I don't think we're really anywhere near as unbalanced as this would lead one to believe.

I think you missed the point -- the ratio is projected to get around 30% worse in the near future. Same number of women, 30% more jackasses.

Re:H1Bs? (1)

jratcliffe (208809) | about 2 months ago | (#47012169)

I think you missed the point -- the ratio is projected to get around 30% worse in the near future. Same number of women, 30% more jackasses.

Actually, it's you who missed the point:

"By the end of 2014, Reifman projects, there will be 130 single men in Seattle for every 100 single women — up from a ratio of 119 single men to 100 single women in April 2010."

So, it's not "Same number of women, 30% more jackasses," it's "Same number of women, 9% more jackasses."

San Francisco is for homos (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47011529)

So it's OK.

Re:San Francisco is for homos (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47011837)

It also affect Silicon Valley...HIV...

Flying in women from NY (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47011531)

Wow a startup has started a business around the worlds oldest profession [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Flying in women from NY (1)

kthreadd (1558445) | about 2 months ago | (#47011855)

Sorry to crush your dreams but prostitution is not dating.

Re:Flying in women from NY (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47012025)

Prostitution is just dating, with results.

easy answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47011535)

http://www.mailorderbrides.com/

Re:easy answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47011789)

Considering that they work at Amazon, they are obviously used to mail ordering nearly everything else in their lives!

Which one? (2)

stkris (1843186) | about 2 months ago | (#47011537)

As a woman I think this must be great news! But as a foreigner - should I aim for Seattle or San Fransisco?

Re:Which one? (4, Funny)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | about 2 months ago | (#47011555)

As a woman I think this must be great news! But as a foreigner - should I aim for Seattle or San Fransisco?

If you're a foreigner, I'd recommend treating the world as your oyster. Personally, I can vouch for the rogueish good looks, sense of humour, and alcohol tolerance of Irish men.

But if you're in a pinch, I guess there are a few expats in Seattle and San Francisco.

Re:Which one? (1)

boristdog (133725) | about 2 months ago | (#47011807)

My wife changed from teaching school to becoming a network engineer about 8 years ago. She went from making 40% of my income to making 95% of it in the past 8 years time, and that's with about 30% increase in my income in that time.

She is treated like a professional and doesn't have to deal with the parents of her clients. Yes, there are a lot of clueless "Durr, she's a girl!" nerds that she has to deal with, but she says they are easier to handle than her former students.

So if you are a woman and you are AT ALL interested in technology, get into the tech field anywhere. We're in Austin but it is lucrative no matter where you go. And you will have your pick of well-employed male suitors if you so desire.

Re:Which one? (3, Funny)

khr (708262) | about 2 months ago | (#47012071)

should I aim for Seattle or San Fransisco?

I don't know much about San Fransisco, but I do know the weather in Seattle, while uncomfortably dry is less so than most other cities... If I had to pick between them, I'd probably go for whichever gets more annual rainfall.

Re:Which one? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47012155)

Neither. Both ways, you end up married to an American male. Have you even watched the news for the past 10 years? They are the worst in the world. When they're not raping women, they're oppressing them. Seriously, add jezebel.com to your daily reading list and open your eyes.

Alaska (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47011549)

They still have Alaska beat.

Not bad comparatively... (1)

invisibletank (2920371) | about 2 months ago | (#47011551)

I'll take that ratio any day over my time in the Navy, where the ratio on a ship was about 50:1 male to female.

Relationship-quality male ratio sorely lacking (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47011553)

Ever date one of those guys at Amazon? All work and no play.

Re:Relationship-quality male ratio sorely lacking (1)

symbolset (646467) | about 2 months ago | (#47012063)

This. What does it matter how many men there are if none have a spare hour?

yey I'm gay (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47011557)

Time to move there!! HURRAY! Hey, desperate men do all kinds of things. ;p

We need to fix the root cause (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47011561)

Queue the legion of people who will insist that Seattle companies be forced to hire less-qualified people who happen to be women.

If this bothers you: stop telling little girls that they're pretty, and instead tell them that they're smart. Don't ask them their favorite princess, ask them what they want to be when they grow up.

Re:We need to fix the root cause (4, Funny)

Grishnakh (216268) | about 2 months ago | (#47011587)

stop telling little girls that they're pretty, and instead tell them that they're smart. Don't ask them their favorite princess, ask them what they want to be when they grow up.

These suggestions are un-American to the point of being treasonous.

Re:We need to fix the root cause (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47011659)

My older daughter wants to be a princess when she grows up. My attempt to steer her into mathematics is so far a failure. I still have hope for my younger daughter. I've taken away her dolls and replaced them with legos and erector sets. She cries about it and says she hates me. I guess she just doesn't understand I'm liberating her from the Patriarchy.

Re:We need to fix the root cause (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | about 2 months ago | (#47011707)

The problem is all those damn Disney movies parents use as babysitters.

Re:We need to fix the root cause (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47011841)

When I need a digital babysitter for my 2 year old, I use WALL-E. I'm trying to set the seeds for nerdness early.

(When you have a toddler and a newborn, sometimes you just have to put on a movie for a few minutes. It's called survival.)

Re:We need to fix the root cause (0)

Grishnakh (216268) | about 2 months ago | (#47011945)

There's nothing wrong with using movies to keep kids occupied, the problem is those stupid Disney movies that fill their heads with BS about being princesses. Pixar movies are a good choice. There's no princess bullshit in those.

Re:We need to fix the root cause (0)

MacTO (1161105) | about 2 months ago | (#47012115)

Try to find strong or independent "princesses" that can serve as positive role models and encourage her to express her interests in constructive and creative ways.

This doesn't mean that you should give in to her desires. You should be taking away toys that create destructive images of womanhood (impossible body image, subservience to the patriarchy, etc.). On the other hand, forcing a child to be what you expect of them is equally destructive.

Re:We need to fix the root cause (1)

khr (708262) | about 2 months ago | (#47012119)

My older daughter wants to be a princess when she grows up

Well good luck changing that... I only know one princess and she's a mean, nasty horrible woman.

Actually, she's not a princess anymore, not after India's Independence did away with royalty. She was born a princess of some royal house in Rajasthan just before that. Now she's horribly bitter that she isn't "someone" anymore...

Re:We need to fix the root cause (1)

epyT-R (613989) | about 2 months ago | (#47011785)

and your statement is doubleplus ungood. Report to the ministry of love for processing, comrade.

Re:We need to fix the root cause (1)

Nutria (679911) | about 2 months ago | (#47011721)

stop telling little girls that they're pretty

A man my age telling girls that they're pretty is a quick way to get myself labeled a perv.

Besides, if a girl's not pretty, I wouldn't say she's pretty.

And I wouldn't know she's smart w/o spending some time with her, and that's just as creepy.

Re:We need to fix the root cause (0, Offtopic)

tysonedwards (969693) | about 2 months ago | (#47011895)

Perfect solution...

Tell little boys that they're pretty, and that they are a perfect little prince...

Hold boys beauty pageants and have them televised on the local PBS affiliates.

Ostracize them for wanting to play outside or participate in sports.

Tell them that one day if they try hard enough they too can marry someone rich and live happily ever after.

While we are at it, we need to get Disney to have a movie with a "prince" as the main character... They've already shown that they care about maintaining appropriate diversity with their last few films focusing on a black princess, and a ginger princess, and a chinese princess, and a native american princess, and an arab princess ... Where is the boy who gets his own "don't talk to strangers, unless they are hot!" storybook ending?

Re:We need to fix the root cause (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47012167)

Where is the boy who gets his own "don't talk to strangers, unless they are hot!" storybook ending?

That would be the big fuzzball from Beauty and the Beast. Talk to a hag and get cursed, date a pretty girl and get cured.

Re:We need to fix the root cause (2, Interesting)

epyT-R (613989) | about 2 months ago | (#47011763)

Stop blaming men for the lack of equal outcome. Stop telling men what is 'proper' to look for in a mate. Stop blaming them as the default problem when women aren't seen in the same numbers in a given context. In fact, stop lying about men, period. If women are intrinsically equal, they don't NEED help as they can fend for themselves.. Most women aren't interested in technology for itself, only what it can do for them, so even with incentives, you're not going to find a 50/50 split. This is ok as men and women are as different psychologically as they are biologically.

You know, maybe you should start respecting their diversity and their right to choose other paths. I tire of this leftist equal-opportunity-must-beget-equal-outcome-else-discrimination fallacy.

yes! 17 yr old, nobody has asked her what she want (2)

raymorris (2726007) | about 2 months ago | (#47011779)

> If this bothers you: stop telling little girls that they're pretty, and instead tell them that they're smart. Don't ask them their favorite princess, ask them what they want to be when they grow up.

This! I asked my ex-wife's 17 year old daughter what she wanted to do for a living and they way she looked at me, it seems nobody had ever asked her that question before. She has no idea. My daughter, who is now one week old, will be able toanswer that question by the time she's five (and change her mind six times after that).

Re:yes! 17 yr old, nobody has asked her what she w (1)

sandbagger (654585) | about 2 months ago | (#47011823)

...and change her mind six times after that).

Well, you know what they say about a woman's perrogative. Wait. Stop throwing things at me. Ow. Ow. Ow.

Re:yes! 17 yr old, nobody has asked her what she w (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47012147)

Why the fuck should a 17 year old be able to answer that?
When I was 17 I couldn't answer that question. I certainly couldn't have answered that I wanted to go and do a PhD in computer engineering, or that I wanted to move to Colorado.
In fact, when I was 22 I still couldn't have told you that.

Re:We need to fix the root cause (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47011847)

Don't praise kids for being smart, it becomes a major part of their identity and whenever some situation comes along that they fail to resolve it can mess them up and they will avoid even attempting things that can result in them feeling not smart. Praise them for working hard, etc.

Re:We need to fix the root cause (2)

jythie (914043) | about 2 months ago | (#47011865)

Well, we already have a hiring and promotion process in corporate culture that favors less qualified people who happen to be men.

Re:We need to fix the root cause (0)

epyT-R (613989) | about 2 months ago | (#47011969)

Actually, nowadays, the corporate culture is full of feminist trained men who purposely choose women over men for things like promotions to prove how much of a feminist they are. Hardly an improvement if the goal is reward for relevant success/attributes. However, if the goal is to build a gynocracy, well, then this is exactly what needs to happen.

Re:We need to fix the root cause (0)

tylikcat (1578365) | about 2 months ago | (#47011875)

And perhaps treat the women in tech as actual human beings? Admittedly, I've had a great many pretty awesome male coworkers, but I've also run into a fair bit of crap, and it does get exhausting and demoralizing over time. Neurobio is just so relaxing by comparison.

Well.. (4, Funny)

cyberchondriac (456626) | about 2 months ago | (#47011563)

I suppose if you're a gay male that sounds like Utopia. Welcome to Seattle, the new San Francisco.
The Space Needle will take on new allegorical significance as a monument!

Even worse just outside Seattle... (3, Interesting)

xfade551 (2627499) | about 2 months ago | (#47011565)

Everett, Tacoma-Lakewood-Puyallup, and Kitsap County have massive military populations (figure around 80-90% male for the military subpopulation). There's a tendency for the junior enlisted men to marry the local girls right out of high school, then they move away with their young wives on their next assignment. (These women often divorce their husbands when they find a place they like better than their hometown). ...And around 50% of the women left behind aren't worth dating.

Re:Even worse just outside Seattle... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47011971)

Way to go Paula, way to go!

still okay to move to Seattle to work in tech (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47011601)

if you're a straight male thinking of moving to Seattle to work in technology, it's probably still okay for you to do that. If you are a straight male thinking of moving to Seattle to get a date, then maybe you should think again.

Amazon is a scapegoat (1)

bubbl07 (777082) | about 2 months ago | (#47011617)

This is symptomatic of the gender inequality of their hires and hiring for this sector in general. Instead of "blaming" Amazon, we should insist that all tech companies (including Amazon) support more education amongst the underrepresented genders, races, etc.

It's in their best long-term interests, anyway, since working for Amazon (for example) is now less attractive because it's now... less attractive literally. At some point the increase collective pay they'd have to offer will be greater than the amount they could use to fund these sorts of initiatives.

Re:Amazon is a scapegoat (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47012023)

Maintaining the gender inequality is a net benefit for a business, especially in high income workforces.

Think about it... If there is an even gender distribution, people who spend all of their days together socializing will inevitably form friendships. Single people who are defined by their work will then let those friendships develop into something more. And then those dynamics will continue into the workplace. Any fights, or breakups will cause workplace tension and can lead to a party ultimately being dismissed. And due to those friendships, larger groups of people will be upset when their friend is dismissed to keep their friend's ex around.

The concept of "underrepresented genders" is an HR dream come true.

Already mostly debunked... (5, Informative)

thatseattleguy (897282) | about 2 months ago | (#47011623)

The Seattle Times has already debunked this, pointing out [seattletimes.com] that the author(*) of that original article coflated two data sets that used completely different methodologies for the "number of single men" metric and so cannot be compared. Not that that will make any difference; I sense this will have the same life of its own as the "chances of a woman getting married after 40 are worse than that of her getting killed by a terrorist" meme that went around a decade or so ago, because it provides a convenient external explanation for a wholly internal failure.
.

/tsg/

(*) Said author of the original debunked article also has the same user name as the submitter here - such a coincidence! I also note his last Slashdot submission was the also-debunked "OMG! Skydiver catches meteor falling on camera!" thing that was proven false a few days later. The Force is not strong with this one, fellow Jedi...

Re:Already mostly debunked... (1)

sexconker (1179573) | about 2 months ago | (#47011777)

Mod article down BULLSHIT.

Re:Already mostly debunked... (4, Informative)

thatseattleguy (897282) | about 2 months ago | (#47011857)

More importantly, the above-referenced Times blog post points out that the gender imbalance in Seattle is nowhere near as bad as other cities that are tech hubs, like San Jose. Among the 50 largest metro areas in the US, Seattle apparently ranks at only 15th for predominance of males.
.

Noting, too: the original Reifman article makes the truly odd presumption that because Amazon's _current_ workforce is 75% male, that all new hires will necessarily follow this same 3-to-1 male-to-female gender ratio - something I very much doubt. A company growing as fast and expanding into new, diverse areas like Amazon is, is likely to see a greatly more gender-balanced workforce than it had in its early tech-dominated early days. Maybe the new hires will not be 1:1 male:female - but certainly not the 3:1 of the past.

Re:Already mostly debunked... (1)

jythie (914043) | about 2 months ago | (#47011881)

See this is where the summary should be updated to reflect this.

Re:Already mostly debunked... (1)

thatseattleguy (897282) | about 2 months ago | (#47012117)

Submitter and article author is a "technology consultant". For him, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Even a thoroughly discredited submission polishes his resume as an Expert To Be Reckoned With [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Already mostly debunked... (1)

BitZtream (692029) | about 2 months ago | (#47011991)

Nice to also notice that he submits the same article 2 or more times over the course of a day or so, guess he takes advantage of finding the right editor to approve his rubbish.

New Amazon Logo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47011631)

Obligatory.
http://www.foodsubs.com/Photos... [foodsubs.com]

This is just within the city limits, though (2)

WilliamGeorge (816305) | about 2 months ago | (#47011637)

Seattle proper is actually relatively small, and surrounded by dozens of smaller cities and towns. I would wager that the overall metro area has close to a 1:1 ratio, but that young, single men tend to move into the city to be close to work, especially before starting a family. Housing in the city is expensive, but more livable for someone in a 1-bedroom or studio apartment. Once you need more space than that, the suburbs are much more appealing.

How does Amazon manage to attract job seekers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47011639)

I was cold emailed about a job position at Amazon about a month ago, but they would give almost no information about the compensation and benefits unless I actually applied to "the first selection round", other than it was located in Seattle. I had absolutely nothing to compare it to my current position. The person with whom I traded a few emails wouldn't even tell me what the number of vacation days were at the start of employment, nor even a general pay range. Given that I live in a much sunnier climate, and like my job, they certainly didn't do a good job of enticing me as a possible candidate.

Re:How does Amazon manage to attract job seekers? (2)

Altus (1034) | about 2 months ago | (#47011731)

When the contacted me about a job in Seattle after I checked the box on their application that said I would not relocate I ignored the email. I got another one from the same recruiter a week later that was acting as though I were the rude one and that she had done me a favor by showing interest in hiring me for a totally undefined job in a location that I had no interest in moving to.

I have no idea why anybody works for them... they sure don't make the company seem appealing.

Mercer Girls (4, Informative)

MDMurphy (208495) | about 2 months ago | (#47011655)

If this is not debunked, then it's not a new issue for Seattle.

The Mercer Girls were an 1860s project of Asa Shinn Mercer, an American who lived in Seattle, who decided to "import" women to the Pacific Northwest to balance the gender ratio.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M... [wikipedia.org]

Which inspired the TV series:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H... [wikipedia.org]

Here Come the Brides (1)

rossdee (243626) | about 2 months ago | (#47011685)

The bluest skies you've ever seen are in Seattle
And the hills are green as green in Seattle

Am I the only one that remembers that 70's western comedy show?

It's even more dire than you might think (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47011761)

Your typical engineer working for Amazon is educated, really smart, and eccentric (by the standards of most people). They are likely to have an IQ in the top 5% of the world population, and will be looking for partners who are also in the same league (so pretty much only about 5% of the available women in the area are in the running). So sure, there will be a massive influx of male engineers to the Seattle area. It's generally good news for smart girls, bad news for smart males, and of no importance to everyone else (neglecting gay folks). So the few eligible women who would be interesting to engineering types will simply have that many more engineers to choose from...

It was worse in college... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47011765)

There was a 4:1 ratio for the number of men to women...

But if you computed it by weight, it came out even.

Sensitivity training, here I come!

I've found the perfect solution (2)

sandbagger (654585) | about 2 months ago | (#47011797)

I gave up.

Look, masturbation's more efficient anyway.

Re:I've found the perfect solution (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47012177)

You sound like a real wanker.

50% of san fran and seattle are gay (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47011799)

I don't think there will be very many problems statistically

I'm going to Surf City (1)

BenSchuarmer (922752) | about 2 months ago | (#47011813)

for obvious reasons

sounds like an economic opportunity... (1)

Connie_Lingus (317691) | about 2 months ago | (#47011851)

...for smart business-orientated women to start-up the world's oldest profession in the Seattle area.

oh...Tinder's already covering that base.

nothing wrong with that (2, Insightful)

slashmydots (2189826) | about 2 months ago | (#47011861)

So it pushed ugly, unhealthy, and otherwise undesirable males out of the gene pool. Good! Have you seen what happens to the genetic disadvantages and diseases and average IQ in small, isolated communities? It's the same thing when it's 1:1. Imbalance in either direction ensures that adaptation and fitness improvements occur.

Pffft... That's not a bad ratio (4, Interesting)

EmagGeek (574360) | about 2 months ago | (#47011873)

When I was going to Georgia Tech, I would have given anything for a 1.3:1 ratio.

C Language (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47011885)

C is one pf the best programming language! Hotmail Login Signup [hotmailloginsign-up.com] and Android and iPhone Blog [idroidspace.com]

this article is from 100 years ago (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47011911)

Back when Seattle's #1 occupation was logging, there were many more men than women.

This is why Seattle's red-light district, Pioneer Square, is now a celebrated tourist attraction.

Seattle's male/female imbalance is what started the United Parcel Service, which got its start in Seattle as a bike messenger service relaying messages between hookers and johns.

Worked for me (1)

halfstop (3554705) | about 2 months ago | (#47012013)

I lived in Seattle, had no problem dating women and even found one silly enough to marry me. Don't worry about it, if you're not a tool, you'll be fine.

Women will have to work.. double hard! (1)

MonsterMasher (518641) | about 2 months ago | (#47012043)

.
Dang, ladies..

      Time to put on those knee-pads .. there is a line of men for each of you every day.

I know you are women enough to shine!

Irrelevant (2)

Fredde87 (946371) | about 2 months ago | (#47012085)

Its irrelevant, at least 30 of those men will be tech works and we all know that us nerds don't have girlfriends so that leaves 100 guys for a 100 women...
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