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Apple's Revenge: iMessage Might Eat Your Texts If You Switch To Android

timothy posted about 5 months ago | from the computer-says-no dept.

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redletterdave (2493036) writes "When my best friend upgraded from an iPhone 4S to a Galaxy S4, I texted her hello. Unfortunately, she didn't get that text, nor any of the five I sent in the following three days. My iPhone didn't realize she was now an Android user and sent all my texts via iMessage. It wasn't until she called me about going to brunch that I realized she wasn't getting my text messages. What I thought was just a minor bug is actually a much larger problem. One that, apparently, Apple has no idea how to fix. Apple said the company is aware of the situation, but it's not sure how to solve it. One Apple support person said: 'This is a problem a lot of people are facing. The engineering team is working on it but is apparently clueless as to how to fix it. There are no reliable solutions right now — for some people the standard fixes work immediately; many others are in my boat.'"

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Fix according to Apple is (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47012849)

to return back to the flock to receive your iMessages again.

Re:Fix according to Apple is (5, Informative)

jrmcferren (935335) | about 5 months ago | (#47012875)

Nope, Turn off iMessage on the iDevice before wiping or tossing. Been there, done that.

Re:Fix according to Apple is (4, Insightful)

SJHillman (1966756) | about 5 months ago | (#47013039)

What if you're tossing it because it completely crapped out on you and, thus, you can't change anything?

Re:Fix according to Apple is (4, Funny)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about 5 months ago | (#47013073)

Buy a new iPhone, initialize it to your account, turn off iMessage, and sell the iPhone. Simple! (but insane)

Re:Fix according to Apple is (5, Informative)

BitZtream (692029) | about 5 months ago | (#47013189)

Go to the website and do it there?

Samsung has a nice right up on how to resolve the problem using any number of methods:

http://www.samsung.com/us/supp... [samsung.com]

Have you people not heard of Google?

Re:Fix according to Apple is (1, Informative)

Radres (776901) | about 5 months ago | (#47013281)

They have a "right up"? Really?

Re:Fix according to Apple is (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47013257)

Then call up Apple, and they'll fix it for you. I know, I used to do it for people.

It's not rocket surgery, people!

Re:Fix according to Apple is (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47013421)

It's not rocket surgery, people!

No, its artificially imposed vendor lock-in.

Re:Fix according to Apple is (4, Funny)

Tough Love (215404) | about 5 months ago | (#47012889)

"Nice little Samsung phone you have there, kid. Shame if your messages to iPhones all get lost."

Re:Fix according to Apple is (5, Funny)

pslytely psycho (1699190) | about 5 months ago | (#47013109)

"Nice little Samsung phone you have there, kid. Shame if your messages to iPhones all get lost."

Why do I hear this in the voice of Joe Pesci?

Re:Fix according to Apple is (1)

Tough Love (215404) | about 5 months ago | (#47013127)

"Nice little Samsung phone you have there, kid. Shame if your messages to iPhones all get lost."

Why do I hear this in the voice of Joe Pesci?

It seems that a made man from Apple had mod points.

Re:Fix according to Apple is (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47013205)

Your brain is broken, you should be hearing it in the voice of Dino Vercotti.

But then you'll be back to the kind of phone that (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47013003)

And the fix to that is to get an android!

Pay for faster tier bandwidth (-1, Troll)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | about 5 months ago | (#47012861)

I'm sure in Oligopoly America if you offer to pay $1000 a month, you'll get better service.

The fact that everything is slower for the rest of us, as if they slowed throughput down, is just a coincidence.

Sender should go to android. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47012865)

Clearly the fix is for the sending party to also switch to android.

Upgraded? Smirk. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47012867)

...

Auto switches (5, Insightful)

MidSpeck (1516577) | about 5 months ago | (#47012885)

My experience is that if an iPhone is unable to send an iMessage (shows as blue), it automatically falls back to text message after 5 minutes (shows as green). After a few of these in a row, it defaults to text message until the iMessage connection can be re-established with the other endpoint. (Of course, this option can be turned off if you prefer to use only iMessages, at which point it's not going to be allowed it to fall back.)

Re:Auto switches (1, Insightful)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 5 months ago | (#47012967)

Single person has annoying but minor problem texting random social contact, assumes huge conspiracy and general incompetenceâ¦

What I thought was just a minor bug is actually a much larger problem. One that, apparently, Apple has no idea how to fix. Apple said the company is aware of the situation, but it's not sure how to solve it. One Apple support person said: 'This is a problem a lot of people are facing. The engineering team is working on it but is apparently clueless as to how to fix it. There are no reliable solutions right now â" for some people the standard fixes work immediately; many others are in my boat

Interesting that the "story" - such that it is - contains no links to substantiate such a huge issue. People, what some low-level help desk monkey tells you about "the engineering team" can probably be ignored, and assumed to be something they fall back on when they have no real answer for your isolated edge issue.

Re: Auto switches (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47013237)

I can't show you any evidence either but my experience after being given a loan iPhone by my carrier in exchange for my galaxy s3 was that my iPhone owning friends could not message me and it did not fallback sms, this did not correct itself even after many days, by then I had no confidence that the issue would correct itself. Most of the suggested solutions around the net did nothing. The only way I could fix it was to borrow another IPhone, link iMessage to my phone number and then turn it off. It was not as trivial as you would like to think and less technical users would be stuffed.

Re:Auto switches (3, Insightful)

radarskiy (2874255) | about 5 months ago | (#47013269)

Apple acknowledges the problem... but what do they know about Apple products?

Re:Auto switches (5, Interesting)

abhi_beckert (785219) | about 5 months ago | (#47013419)

Apparently Apple knows less about their own products than I do as an Apple developer. You can't trust a random support employee to know how iMessage works, it's a complicated system.

It's very simple. If you send an SMS to a number registered as being an iPhone, it will be encrypted for that phone and sent over the internet. If the phone does not decrypt the message and send an acknowledgment within a few minutes, it will be sent as an SMS instead. Repeated delivery failures (2 or 3?) will automatically disable iMessage.

According to the article, the iMessage is sent and status immediately changes to "delivered". That means he has at least one device registered to receive iMessages at that phone number and it is turned on and received the message. His claim to have logged out of iMessage on all his devices is bullshit. He forgot one.

Re:Auto switches (3, Informative)

vux984 (928602) | about 5 months ago | (#47013381)

Interesting that the "story" - such that it is - contains no links to substantiate such a huge issue

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sms+wont+... [lmgtfy.com]

Single person has annoying but minor problem texting random social contact, assumes huge conspiracy and general incompetenceæ

Yeah, its a well known and widespread problem. Sending and receiving after switching away from an iphone.

Everyone I know who has an iphone and switched to an android has encountered it, along with related issues resulting from travelling with an iphone and disabling data temporarily, and so on. Sometimes the incantations apple prescribes to fix it work, sometimes the carrier has to do something to get it working again, and some just refuse to work no matter what they do.

Re: Auto switches (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47013435)

Idiot. I know a number of people who faced this same problem.

Re:Auto switches (5, Informative)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about 5 months ago | (#47013335)

For 99% of cases, that's exactly what happens. Unfortunately, there seems to be a bug where in some cases that doesn't happen, and iMessage continues to try routing the SMS to the old iDevice, even though it's no longer valid. The bug was actually reported here back in February [slashdot.org] (making this story a dupe).

"No reliable solution" (0)

ericloewe (2129490) | about 5 months ago | (#47012903)

What an idiotic statement. There's a very easy solution. If user has not been available on iMessage for more than reasonable amount of time, no more than a day, fall back to SMS.

Stupidly easy solution.

Re:"No reliable solution" (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 5 months ago | (#47013053)

Why move away from text messages in the first place? Is Apple trying to learn how to embrace-extend-extinguish? Good luck with doing this against texting...

Re:"No reliable solution" (4, Informative)

Ksevio (865461) | about 5 months ago | (#47013093)

Text messages cost money on a lot of plans. Data is much cheaper.

Re:"No reliable solution" (0, Flamebait)

Archangel Michael (180766) | about 5 months ago | (#47013191)

Text Messages USED to cost money. Now, nobody actually uses TXT, as we no longer have dumb phones. We use Hangouts, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, GoogleVoice, email ....

Txt was good when all you had was a feature phone.

Re:"No reliable solution" (1)

radarskiy (2874255) | about 5 months ago | (#47013285)

So instead of using an alternative to text messages, Apple should use an alternative to text messages?

Re: "No reliable solution" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47013317)

All you fancy stuff is worthless if you need to send someone a text who is still using an old school phone. And there are lots of them. Millions. SMS isn't going anywhere. And it's reliable. It doesn't need an internet connection which can be flaky in rural areas.

Re:"No reliable solution" (5, Insightful)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about 5 months ago | (#47013399)

Text Messages USED to cost money. Now, nobody actually uses TXT, as we no longer have dumb phones. We use Hangouts, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, GoogleVoice, email ....

Txt was good when all you had was a feature phone.

Congrats on living in a major metropolitan area. The other 99% of the world still has to pay for texts.

I'll never get over peoples myopic view of the world.

Re:"No reliable solution" (1)

ray-auch (454705) | about 5 months ago | (#47013313)

Guess it depends where you are. Here, I haven't had anything other than effectively unlimited-texts plan for years, even on very cheap feature phone plans. In fact I think even some of our old payg sims have an unlimited texts option if we top up enough each month (don't know - they are only now in kids' / emergency spare phones).
Minutes and data, on the other hand, are always limited (at easy to hit limits) unless you pay a lot more.

Re:"No reliable solution" (1)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about 5 months ago | (#47013097)

>Is Apple trying to learn how to embrace-extend-extinguish?

Pretty much, but iMessage does give Apple people some capabilities that SMS lacks, so it's not all bad. It probably ducks SMS fees too.

Re:"No reliable solution" (4, Interesting)

Noah Haders (3621429) | about 5 months ago | (#47013179)

i like that iMessage works across devices, including not just ipad but macs. macs can recieve imessages at any time, not just when an ichat window is open. so it's finally a viable messaging system that is baked into the OS. from my computer I can send messages to any iphone or any other mac. it's actually really powerful.

Re:"No reliable solution" (1)

batkiwi (137781) | about 5 months ago | (#47013119)

Because in the US text messages are expensive for end users.

Here in Australia it doesn't make sense because any plan more than $20 a month has basically unlimited texts.

Re:"No reliable solution" (1)

whoever57 (658626) | about 5 months ago | (#47013233)

Because in the US text messages are expensive for end users.

YMMV. Even when roaming internationally, I don't pay anything per US text message, although I do pay for international texts (I think).

group messaging (1)

clay_buster (521703) | about 5 months ago | (#47013243)

I message gives you "Reply All" and group messaging. Great for group activities.

Re:group messaging (1)

Belial6 (794905) | about 5 months ago | (#47013451)

The default texting app in Android gives you group messaging too. Free replacement text messaging apps like Handcent give you group messaging and Reply All. That isn't really a feature worth going to a propritary protocol for.

Re:"No reliable solution" (2)

BitZtream (692029) | about 5 months ago | (#47013273)

Speed, reliability, features, cost?

I no longer need to spend an extra $15/month so AT&T can rip me off for text messages.

I no longer have to wonder if the SMS was actually delivered or if it went into a black hole and AT&T just didn't let me know.

I don't have to wonder WHEN it gets delivered, I get notified in real time.

The fact that I can send and receive messages from my Mac, my iPad, my iPhone and they show up the same on all devices regardless of which one is in front of me?

Its not limited to 140 characters, so sending long messages don't get broken apart and sent in random order?

Maps - Sending files via SMS? Not happening. MMS? Sure for certain types, which doesn't include whatever format Maps (on OSX or iOS) uses for data exchange.

You ask these questions because you've never used iMessage.

SMS and MMS suck, move on. Ideally, we'd all use XMPP but the designers thought extremely verbose XML was a brilliant idea so a 140 character text message consumes 4 or 5k of data, so its kind of shitty on underpowered devices.

Re:"No reliable solution" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47013057)

And interestingly, exactly the solution that Apple implement already - if a message fails to send for 5 minutes via iMessage, it falls back to SMS, if several fail to send, it falls back to SMS until the receiving phone re-registers for iMessage.

Re:"No reliable solution" (3, Interesting)

mlts (1038732) | about 5 months ago | (#47013151)

What would be a better solution is Apple making it cross platform. This way, no matter what platform one is on, iMessages go through. This would establish iMessage as a standard, and that would be better for Apple on the long term, than only allowing their devices to use it.

Re:"No reliable solution" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47013439)

+1

It's great having iMessage on the OS X desktop. It's a shame you can't get it on Windows, Linux and Android, or it'd pretty much take over. Whatsapp is close, but for some unknown reason they've stopped short of having a desktop app. If they had that they could take over the market. Skype is pretty much there, but don't market themselves as for chat although it's really good for that.

What's *really* needed though is some standardised way of chatting between platforms. Something like XMPP for the chat layer and Enum for resolving the phone number to a chat address, so that companies/people can hook into a single namespace.

Re:"No reliable solution" (1)

emuls (1926384) | about 5 months ago | (#47013357)

The problem is when they keep their old phone turned on for a few days and it happily receives all of their iMessages until it runs out of batteries. That's what happened to me when a friend got a new phone. I told him to turn his phone off or unregister iMessages. He checked his old phone when he got home and there were the messages I had sent him the previous day.

iOS: Deactivating iMessage (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47012907)

http://support.apple.com/kb/ts5185

Seems one just needs to deactivate iMessage before getting rid of their device.

Re:iOS: Deactivating iMessage (3, Insightful)

djdanlib (732853) | about 5 months ago | (#47012975)

It would be awesome if cell phone salespeople would be aware of that and help their customers who are switching platforms.

Re:iOS: Deactivating iMessage (2)

Opportunist (166417) | about 5 months ago | (#47013063)

Help them switch AWAY FROM Apple?

That's like expecting help from your priest when you tell him you're going to convert to Islam!

Re:iOS: Deactivating iMessage (1)

immaterial (1520413) | about 5 months ago | (#47013409)

I have a number of friends who are cellphone salespeople and they're ALWAYS told to push Android phones (and afaik there are no incentives or commissions to push iPhones). iPhones are expensive to carriers, both in what Apple charges the carrier initially and in the long term hit to the network (iPhone users use more data). That's not to say they aren't happy to sell you an iPhone (especially if you're switching from a cheap dumbphone plan), but they are much, much happier to see you switch away from an iPhone to a Samsung or whatever.

Re:iOS: Deactivating iMessage (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47013341)

It would be awesome if cell phone owners would avail themselves of the incredibly easy-to-use resources that are available to them, rather then bitch and moan. ...but it'll never happen.

iOS: Deactivating iMessage (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47013013)

And what if the device is destroyed? Sometimes switching isn't compelled as a matter of choice, but rather lack of choice to say on the same device.

Re:iOS: Deactivating iMessage (1)

mlts (1038732) | about 5 months ago | (#47013043)

Swap SIM card to an iDevice... switch iMessage off, swap back. Don't forget to make sure your iPads, iPods, and Macs don't have the number checked either.

Don't ask how I know...

Re:iOS: Deactivating iMessage (1)

mark-t (151149) | about 5 months ago | (#47013229)

What if the sim card is irretrievable?

Re:iOS: Deactivating iMessage (1)

DarwinSurvivor (1752106) | about 5 months ago | (#47013411)

Then you do it with the new sim card you got for your new phone?

Re:iOS: Deactivating iMessage (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47013395)

http://support.apple.com/kb/ts... [apple.com]

"If you can't access your iPhone, you no longer have it, or you can't deactivate iMessage after you try the above steps, please contact Apple Support."

Sheesh.

FUD. Pure FUD (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47012911)

Ok, this is stupid.

I recently switched from iPhone, and had text messages still going to my iPad. A simple google search revealed pages like:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5450235
And many other such solutions.

That requires having or borrowing an iphone or ipad (Basically, go to settings, iMessage, login with you apple id then tell it not to use iMessage for your phone number).

According to:
http://www.imore.com/text-issues-switching-iphone-android-heres-fix

You can call 1-800-MY-APPLE and have them do it.

Turn Off iMessage before you switch (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47012913)

Or take your sim and put it back in your iPhone and turn off iMessage. It disconnects your phone number from iMessage.

BS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47012921)

I have seen this complaint ever since iMessage was released and I call BS. This is *by design*. If you associate a phone # with your Apple ID, then every time another iOS user opens a message thread to your phone # it's routed to iMessage. You need to un-register your phone # if you want this to stop.

Consider this scenario:
1) I activate iMessage on my iPhone, iPad, iPod, & MacBook
2) As expected, when anyone using the defaults on an iPhone (or other Apple device) sends me a message, it's routed via iMessage and delivered to all 4 of my devices.
3) I drop by iPhone in the toilet, and replace it with a non-Apple mobile phone
4) Someone sends me an iMessage to my phone number.
--> Should this go through (and be delivered to my 3 remaining Apple devices)?
--> Of should iMessage magically know that I flushed my iPhone down the crapper and reject the request, causing the sending iPhone to send the message via SMS?

I would argue that the first option is the "correct" option.

Re:BS (1)

BronsCon (927697) | about 5 months ago | (#47013155)

And if you have an iPhone and no other Apple devices? Well, when it can no longer contact that device (or hell, assume all four of your iDevices fall off-deck while you're on a cruise), what should it do, then?

Sent from a MacBook Pro using Avatron Air Display on an iPad Air as a secondary display.

Re:BS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47013207)

I don't know.

Re:BS (1)

mark-t (151149) | about 5 months ago | (#47013299)

If you have other apple devices, sure... but what if that was your only apple device?

...problem? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47012927)

It happens to conversation that were previously carried out that way. Delete the conversation and start over. It can still happen if the iMessage account was activated in another iDevice or Mac. The message will be received correctly via iMessage and not via SMS.

Heard of an easy fix (2)

Russ1642 (1087959) | about 5 months ago | (#47012929)

Not sure if this works but the easy fix seems to be that you change your Apple password. Then the iMessage app can't authenticate and dumps your messages back to SMS.

Apple Registered Devices (5, Informative)

nazrhyn (906126) | about 5 months ago | (#47012951)

Going to https://supportprofile.apple.c... [apple.com] and making sure my old phone was removed was what eventually fixed this for me. Just putting the SIM back in and turning off iMessage did not fix it.

It was a while ago, so it's possible this might not be the exact right location; but, I do know that it was "removing registered devices" that I did. This seems right.

IIRC (4, Informative)

rabtech (223758) | about 5 months ago | (#47012953)

IIRC this is actually an issue with the sending devices not being aware that the target contact no longer has iMessage enabled.

It's trickier than it seems because iMessage will route to your Mac, iPad, and iPhone. It doesn't know if you just haven't signed in recently or if you're gone forever. If I read a message on my Mac, it is a successful delivery, even if I tossed my iPhone in a lake and swore off cell phones forever.

Apple should add a portal to manage this on icloud.com so you can see all your devices and enable/disable them from iMessage. Then the iMessage servers should reply when a device certificate is used that is disabled or deleted, causing the sending device to update its records.

Remember - Apple acts as a key exchange system but the actual private keys only exist on individual devices; the sending device re-encrypts the message for each recipient.

Re:IIRC (0)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 5 months ago | (#47012987)

This situation smells of BS. By default it routes to SMS when iMessage fails to send to a phone.

Re:IIRC (4, Interesting)

rjstanford (69735) | about 5 months ago | (#47013029)

It does that if and only if there are no other iMessage-enabled devices that can read it. One of the things that I enjoy about the feature is that I can use Messages on my laptop if I'm working, and my phone doesn't go bananas either reporting that it got texts or expecting me to deal with a sea of notifications - they're there in the history, but even if my phone is turned off or not on a network (happens a lot on planes that charge per-device for wifi) I can text to/from my laptop and nobody knows any different.

Figuring out when someone's phone is gone "for good" is a remarkably easy social problem but a very difficult technical one. Making it even easier than it is today for someone to Apple when their phone is gone is the solution, not some terribly complicated heuristics. Of course, that still requires someone to do something, which they'll complain about - but such is life.

Re:IIRC (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47013085)

iMessage works on more than just phones. If might have failed to reach your phone but it didn't fail to reach your iPad, iPod Touch or Mac.

Re:IIRC (1)

imunfair (877689) | about 5 months ago | (#47013137)

No it doesn't - the person sending you a text has to manually resend it as SMS.

I would expect it to remember the last successful option and use that, but it doesn't - it tries using iMessage again after it fails. Someone in another comment mentioned it may remember after "a few" failed attempts, but we never tried that many times - ended up just switching back to another Apple phone. This is the intended reaction in my opinion, I can't see any other reason why they would silently hijack your texts without permission.

Re:IIRC (1)

farble1670 (803356) | about 5 months ago | (#47013049)

It doesn't know if you just haven't signed in recently or if you're gone forever.

here you go. send as a text if no imessage connection has been established for a day. re-send as text if message can't be delivered via imessage for a day.

this still sucks, because there will be a day where you don't get imessages, but at least they'd come eventually and would be fixed thereafter.

So this isn't revenge? (0)

EMG at MU (1194965) | about 5 months ago | (#47012961)

What is this click bait bullshit title?, /. is supposed to be better than Reddit. This isn't a bug in the traditional software sense. This isn't a "much larger problem" unless you are a mindless drone that can't be bothered to use the settings menu of your pocket sized computer. This is nothing more than your run of the mill user experience fuck up.

Here is how to fix it: tell your iPhone to send texts to your non iPhone friend via SMS. Bam, done. Delete the contact and re add it or ask Siri to do it for you or whatever, this isn't a big deal at all.

Re:So this isn't revenge? (2)

farble1670 (803356) | about 5 months ago | (#47013067)

Here is how to fix it: tell your iPhone to send texts to your non iPhone friend via SMS. Bam, done. Delete the contact and re add it or ask Siri to do it for you or whatever, this isn't a big deal at all.

so you think this is a reasonable user experience? first off knowing which of your contacts use imessage, and then contacting all them and tell them to screw with their phone settings?

sheesh.

Re:So this isn't revenge? (0)

EMG at MU (1194965) | about 5 months ago | (#47013309)

so you think this is a reasonable user experience? first off knowing which of your contacts use imessage, and then contacting all them and tell them to screw with their phone settings?

No, I explicitly said its a user experience fuck up, in the part of the post that you decided not to quote.

What I said is this isn't a bug nor a "a much larger problem" because there is a straightforward workaround.

Have you ever changed phone numbers? Mass text to your friends "hey this is my new phone number". Why can't this person mass text their contact list (or send an email) and say "I don't have iMessage, if you use an iPhone change your settings for me".

sheesh.

iMessage wasn't a technical fix (2)

headbulb (534102) | about 5 months ago | (#47012971)

iMessage was a fix to a price issue, a political issue, and a control issue.

If cell phone companies weren't charging so much for something that should be free Apple would have had less incentive to come up with a solution that worked around them.

We should have extended sms/mms to include encryption and for it to be free worldwide. Instead we get a bunch of solutions that don't work with one another.

Re:iMessage wasn't a technical fix (1)

farble1670 (803356) | about 5 months ago | (#47013089)

If cell phone companies weren't charging so much for something that should be free Apple would have had less incentive to come up with a solution that worked around them.

so you think apple is some savior from on high that is working night and day to save you money?

apple's interest in routing through imessage is tying users to their services and not generic text messages that are portable across any device.

Re:iMessage wasn't a technical fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47013293)

apple's interest in routing through imessage is tying users to their services and not generic text messages that are portable across any device.
 
Right, because iMessage can't be disabled at any time or place... I see your point so well.
 
But... but... but... It'z teh Whall3d GARD3N!!!!onehundredeleven!!!

Re:iMessage wasn't a technical fix (1)

farble1670 (803356) | about 5 months ago | (#47013327)

Right, because iMessage can't be disabled at any time or place... I see your point so well.

do you have an clue at all about the topic of this discussion? my god.

Re:iMessage wasn't a technical fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47013307)

But they only got a foothold why? /rhetorical

Re:iMessage wasn't a technical fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47013139)

I don't understand. Isn't SMS cheaper than data?
I know a lot more people with unlimited text than unlimited data.

Re:iMessage wasn't a technical fix (2)

Uberbah (647458) | about 5 months ago | (#47013429)

Don't need unlimited data for text as it uses practically nothing. That's why charging for SMS has always been a ripoff; it's practically free for the cell phone companies to provide.

SMS (1)

MildlyTangy (3408549) | about 5 months ago | (#47012973)

If only there was a text messaging service that works amongst all phones, even the dumbphones from before the smartphone era. You could send your short message from any phone, and any phone could receive them, irrespective of carrier and country. You could even tie it to the mobile phone number instead of whatever iMessage uses.

This would solve these problems. I would call this new service SMS, short for Short Message Service.

Its a novel idea that fixes all these problems. How come Apple's smart and intelligent Engineers couldnt think of this?

Re:SMS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47013005)

In America, SMS is only for old people. Try to keep up the pace.

Re:SMS (1)

rjstanford (69735) | about 5 months ago | (#47013047)

Because most telcos will quite happily let you email a massive file or carry on a one hour long low-latency roaming voice conversation for less money than they charge to send a few bytes "sometime in the next few seconds," that's why. Also, there's no reliable inexpensive gateway for non-cellular devices to tie into SMSs as there is for both voice calls and massive emails, even though it would be far easier to create one.

This was never a technology problem, it was a business problem.

ios7 switch (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47012981)

I had this problem a month ago, seems that iOS7 defaults to off for send as SMS if imessage not avail/confirmed. once its turned on and a couple test text messages then it worked just fine and switched over to SMS automatically, its under settings/messages. problem is if the other person doesn't tell you they are now on android then your none the wiser

obvious fix (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about 5 months ago | (#47013007)

Here are 2 obvious fixes. 1, don't buy an iPhone in the first place or otherwise you switch as well and 2. can't you delete their number and name as a contact and enter is slightly differently like "john smith 2" with the same # and it won't know it's the same?

Friends don't... (1, Funny)

d0n0v6n (2899117) | about 5 months ago | (#47013009)

Friends don't let friend iMessage.

I'm shocked Apple isn't suing them (1)

gelfling (6534) | about 5 months ago | (#47013041)

For illegally knowing the alphabet that Apple patented years ago.

FelipeV (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47013059)

This guy looks like a real douche now... Apple Fanboyism at its best.

Dupe (5, Informative)

vivaoporto (1064484) | about 5 months ago | (#47013091)

Dupe from a couple of months ago: Apple's Messages Offers Free Texting With a Side of iPhone Lock-In [slashdot.org] Posted by timothy on Saturday March 01, 2014

Time to copy all high moderated posts from the older article. Actually, there is no need: given that the purpose of posting this article is to bring the echo chamber rambling that this is why apple suck, simply posting "that's why I don't have an iPhone" is enough for +5 insightful.

Re:Dupe (1)

clay_buster (521703) | about 5 months ago | (#47013259)

I remembered this other thread as well but couldn't find it with a Slashdot search of "imessage" or "Imessage android". Maybe better slashdot search would help?

Re:Dupe (1)

immaterial (1520413) | about 5 months ago | (#47013457)

Slashdot search does kind of suck, but in fairness the dupe is actually the #3 result when you search for "iMessage".

How about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47013113)

Changing the contact information so that imessage stop thinking it's an iphone on the other side?

Perhaps the friend should have read... (1)

TechieChap (714368) | about 5 months ago | (#47013149)

Perhaps the friend should have read this story (http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2013/11/28/switching-from-iphone-to-android-switch-off-imessage/), posted back in November last year, describing how to switch from iPhone to Android. That blog post actually points back to a post by Google's Eric Schmidt (https://plus.google.com/+EricSchmidt/posts/JcfVoJhW2Kw). "News" from last year?

This is trivial to fix. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47013157)

There is a field associated with every phone number in the iOS address book indicating location/type of device. Simply set iMessage to only be used if this field is set to 'iPhone'.

"it just works" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47013173)

"it just works"

apparently, Apple has no idea how to fix.? (0)

arbiter1 (1204146) | about 5 months ago | (#47013199)

"One that, apparently, Apple has no idea how to fix. Apple said the company is aware of the situation, but it's not sure how to solve it" Yea um let me correct that, "We know how to fix it but we don't want to give any benefits to a competing OS cause we are assholes like that"

Typical (2)

StripedCow (776465) | about 5 months ago | (#47013223)

First they lock you in, then they lock you out...

Don't use iMessage (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47013253)

I am actually ok with an "abstract texting" application replacing SMS with another protocol. People just want to "send a text" and don't really care about how it gets there. That's ok, even good. What's not ok is that the other protocol is something nonstandard that no one else is able to (probably even legally allowed to) implement. Why the fuck is this "iMessage" instead of just XMPP/Jabber or something like that? For that: 10 points from House Apple. It's like we're back in the 1990s again, with people emailing MS Word documents to each other, knowing that only one application could read MS Word documents. You know better than that! Your parents knew better than that and your kids probably know better too. Ridiculous.

iPhone: the phone for the modern Microsoftie. You missed getting fucked, didn't you?

Work around for temporary scenarios (2)

Chewbacon (797801) | about 5 months ago | (#47013311)

My wife broke her iPhone so she switched back to her old non-iPhone until we could afford a new one. I kept seeing similar issues where my iPhone would insist using iMessage for her number and would hang trying to send a text. Solution was to tap and hold on the message, after hitting send, and select send as text message. It would keep sending as a text for a while but I'd have to eventually "remind" it when it would forget.

solution (1)

csumpi (2258986) | about 5 months ago | (#47013339)

the solution is quite simple. don't fuck with people's text messages, stop rerouting them to imessage or icloud or whatever icrap is the vogue marketing blurb of the moment.

I've been there (1)

riis138 (3020505) | about 5 months ago | (#47013369)

I'm happy to see others drawing attention to this annoying issue. I ended up switching to Sprint after Verizon and Apple were powerless to help me when I swapped my Iphone for an Android. I tried having my friends with iPhones delete my contact info, add me under a new name, etc. Nothing seemed to work. A quick Google search will show you that many others have had this problem.

Horrible liability on Apple's part (1)

revmoo (652952) | about 5 months ago | (#47013425)

This "bug" almost got my buddy arrested. Apple needs to take this problem seriously before the courts do.

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