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Wolfenstein: The New Order Launches

Soulskill posted about 2 months ago | from the nazi-killing-games-will-outlive-any-actual-nazis dept.

First Person Shooters (Games) 167

Back in 1992, Wolfenstein 3D helped kick off the fledgling FPS genre. Today, the saga continues with Wolfenstein: the New Order. It's set in an alternate-history world where the Nazis won WW2, with hero B.J. Blazkowicz setting out to join resistance fighters. Unusually for a modern FPS, the game has no multiplayer element — it's single-player only. Early reviews for the game are generally positive. Polygon's says, "First, stealth is a valid option for extended portions of the game, with silent melee takedowns and a brutally effective suppressed pistol. There's also a form of progression in Wolfenstein: The New Order's perk system. Performing certain actions in combat unlocks new abilities and upgrades over time, which can make a significant difference in the way you can tackle firefights. You can also find weapon upgrades that further escalate the raw, over-the-top violence on display. This combination of old ideas and new hooks seems mismatched, but I was taken aback by how well it all worked together."

Eurogamer had some criticism: "Less impressive are the plot and the characters, which often feel like they exist only to amplify the opportunities for violence and sensationalism. ... I wouldn't say it's offensive, but Wolfenstein: The New Order isn't a very tactful game, even though it's often trying to be. ... This is a game that does everything it needs to to earn an 18 certificate but rarely manages to achieve a sense of either gravity or maturity." The game is out for the PS3/4, Xbox 360/One, and Windows. It's build on the id Tech 5 engine, and that's causing some graphics issues on the PC, much like RAGE did when it launched in 2011. The game's massive size (~50GB) is causing problems for PS4 owners as well.

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167 comments

creepy (2)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 2 months ago | (#47052127)

An Id tech game without carmack?

Re:creepy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47052413)

Well, the some of the guys who developed it were formerly of the old demoscene group "Triton" so I don't doubt that it is an impressive piece of work. The trouble I have is with the publisher, Bethesda (AKA ZeniMax) and their unscrupulous attempt to block Carmack from working at Oculus VR. In addition, the game requires Steam, which is an automatic no buy for me.

Looks like TPB is the way to go unless they get it up on gog.com or at least with something more acceptable, like a serial number and/or disc check.

Re:creepy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47052415)

An Id tech game without carmack?

So in other words...
"mein laven!"

Re:creepy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47052423)

"mein leben!"

FTFY

Re:creepy (4, Funny)

vux984 (928602) | about 2 months ago | (#47052477)

""mein laven!" [sic]

  When I was a kid, I thought they were saying "My name is...." and then trailing off in death.

I always thought that was neat, that it humanized them in some way, that they weren't "faceless nazis" but ordinary people, with kids, families, names... i had to kill them, but it was not as morally unambiguouous as simply I'm the good guy killing the bad guy.

Later on I found it was "mein leben"... or "my life" in german; and that was the end of that.

Re:creepy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47052653)

I had a similar mishearing with a certain boss shouting "Oh..... IM CAPTAIN NEMO!!!!"

Re:creepy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47053695)

That's the best you can do? Capt Nemo? Embrace the evil that is the current world leaders.

Re:creepy (1)

F34nor (321515) | about 2 months ago | (#47054181)

You idiots; the Wolfenstien quote to reference no Caramack would be "Eva Auf Wiedersehen"

Clean Shavin' (1)

Scottingham (2036128) | about 2 months ago | (#47053771)

I always heard it as CLEAN SHAVIN

Re:creepy (3, Informative)

Nemyst (1383049) | about 2 months ago | (#47052635)

It's only an id tech game even. It's by MachineGames, who're basically a bunch of ex-Starbreeze developers. Now, Starbreeze did a few good games like The Darkness and both Riddick games, but they also made less than impressive stuff like Syndicate, so it's a bit of a mixed bag.

Even if Carmack were still at id (and he was for the vast majority of this game's development cycle, remember), he probably would've had little involvement. Not that I feel like it matters, though. Carmack is an amazing programmer and engine developer, but he's not very good at designing games from that tech (as can be seen by the fairly middling output id has had since shortly after its early days).

Re:creepy (1)

ildon (413912) | about 2 months ago | (#47052973)

There have been like 100 id tech games without Carmack. What the hell do you think they were licensing for almost 20 years?

Re:creepy (1)

Dahamma (304068) | about 2 months ago | (#47053731)

Honestly the best id tech games *have* been without Carmack. Return to Castle Wolfenstein (the best in the series, especially the multiplayer) had little to do with id other than the engine...

Re:creepy (1)

Khyber (864651) | about 2 months ago | (#47053751)

I still rock Enemy Territory to this day.

F|A servers!

Re:creepy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47054401)

"I still rock Enemy Territory to this day."

Me too. You can play it even with a cellphone connection, in newer games, you don't have a chance with that.

I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is (4, Interesting)

uCallHimDrJ0NES (2546640) | about 2 months ago | (#47052135)

Eurogamer's criticism seems legit, but begs the question, what constitutes a "mature" plot for a FPS? An 18 certificate doesn't imply a promise of maturity, does it?

Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is (1, Informative)

mythosaz (572040) | about 2 months ago | (#47052265)

Obligatory: http://begthequestion.info/ [begthequestion.info]

Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is (1)

uCallHimDrJ0NES (2546640) | about 2 months ago | (#47052281)

Thanks!

Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47053589)

Your statement can be interpreted as proper usage of the phrase. It's like irony. The idiots correcting people don't even know what they're correcting most of the time.

Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is (0)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | about 2 months ago | (#47052397)

the word "let" originally meant "hinder, obstruct, or delay". Do you also throw a pissy fit whenever somebody uses it to mean "permit or allow"? If you don't you're a hypocrite and a troll.

Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is (1)

Cinder6 (894572) | about 2 months ago | (#47052607)

I think it's important to keep the original meaning of "beg the question" because there's no (AFAIK) other, simple way to say what it describes. Also, there's a difference between "originally meant" and "currently means, but is often misused".

Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is (1)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | about 2 months ago | (#47053093)

I think the original latin name and it's english translation are a lot simpler and logically clear. Petitio Principii translates as "Assuming the Premise/Initial Point" which is exactly what kind of circular reasoning fallacy is being committed.

Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is (1)

pjt33 (739471) | about 2 months ago | (#47054499)

The original name is Greek. Petitio principii is a translation of the Greek into medieval Latin; given that most of the few people who learn Latin today learn the classical form, its use is an invitation to misunderstand. The English phrase circular reasoning, which you also use, avoids that problem.

Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47053209)

Which begs the question, why should I care about your opinion?

Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is (3, Funny)

gmhowell (26755) | about 2 months ago | (#47054411)

Which begs the question, why should I care about your opinion?

Your statement is like rain on your wedding day.

Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is (1)

thegarbz (1787294) | about 2 months ago | (#47054451)

"currently means, but is often misused".

Which begs the question, if it is misused more commonly by a larger variety of the population in text, wouldn't that imply the original meaning is now the misuse?

That's the problem with a fluid language like English where words like LOL can end up in the dictionary simply because people frequently use them. If you wan't to try and tell someone that the most common use of a term is incorrect then I suggest moving to France where that kind of language police exist.

Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is (2)

thegarbz (1787294) | about 2 months ago | (#47054437)

Obligatory: http://begthequestion.info/ [begthequestion.info]

This post makes me feel gay.

Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is (3, Insightful)

Nemyst (1383049) | about 2 months ago | (#47052645)

Check out Spec Ops: The Line. It may not be perfect, and it's third person, but it's the sort of story you could be doing in an FPS, instead of another hoo-ah Call of Duty.

Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is (1)

uCallHimDrJ0NES (2546640) | about 2 months ago | (#47053811)

I happen to have that on Steam, and I will do so. Thanks.

Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is (1)

Hsien-Ko (1090623) | about 2 months ago | (#47052669)

A gratuitous sex scene in for no reason is one thing.

Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47052871)

Eurogamer's criticism seems legit, but begs the question, what constitutes a "mature" plot for a FPS? An 18 certificate doesn't imply a promise of maturity, does it?

deus ex

Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47053479)

That is easy you have 2 options:
1. Cutting enemies to pieces and drinking their blood. Shooting people in the face so hard the brain matter hits their grand kids and gibs them. Skinning people and wearing their skin to prom. Worshiping Satan while beating nuns to death with a rake. Running Noble laureates through a meat grinder before urinating and defecating on their grieving widows.

Now if you cannot incorporate 100% of those things into your game but you are doing a US release, there is option 2.

2. Do a game where people sit and drink tea while looking at and discussing a sunset but include a 1.5 second shot of a nipple.
   

Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47054015)

2. Do a game where people sit and drink tea while looking at and discussing a sunset but include a 1.5 second shot of a nipple.

You should have put a trigger warning on your post! I've reported you to the cyberpolice you creep!
Slashdot should ban the n-word, lest some innocent children read it and ruin their whole life!

Re:I'm curious what a FPS with "Maturity" is (1)

aliquis (678370) | about 2 months ago | (#47054087)

Humble bundle had a bundle with Tower of Guns (http://store.steampowered.com/app/266110/) and that is a game where you travel .. a gun tower? with a somewhat random selection of gun + skill to begin with and then some randomness in extra abilities to your gun, level design and enemies and go shooting guns.

Now the guns could probably had been anything and the game is likely about how you move and shoot possibly considering the option in hand.

There's likely no pissing on hoes or weirdly proportioned nude females in it. But you, your gun and things to shoot at.

Mature? I don't know. It's an FPS which seem to be all about shooting on things.

momkind the new clear options era (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47052169)

all volunteers millions marching daily (way too many under live fire) (r)evolutionary connection world wide resistance to the never ending WMD on credit book of death & debt zionic corepirate nazi holycost .. some still calling this 'weather' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoO89cqDgJU talk about out of order?

Pay up! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47052173)

Unusually for a modern FPS, the game has no multiplayer element... included with the initial purchase.
Oh, sorry; did you think you were getting that part for free? We'll release that for separate purchase soon. Welcome to 2014.

Re:Pay up! (3, Insightful)

Slugster (635830) | about 2 months ago | (#47052311)

Not having a multiplayer element makes it MORE interesting to those that don't play online much (there is still a few of us)...

I managed to get Left For Dead 2 on Steam the day it was available for free.... the first new game I had played in a few years (I am rather beyond the typical game-buying demographic, most likely).

Due to a dated PC I tend to prefer playing single-player, but it has a few glaring problems when used that way. It is obvious that they intended it to be played by four people cooperating, and many situations involve coordination that bots can't or will not do. You almost need to resort to using cheat codes to get through many stages, as the bots are often more hindrance than help. And while there is a "last man on earth" variation to play, it doesn't present you with the usual assortment of enemies to fight.

Re:Pay up! (1)

LRAD (1822746) | about 2 months ago | (#47052387)

Good points.

L4D is a great example of something that is just not as good single player. Period. It's a social game and playing it with a headset is amazing if you have a good crew.

Re:Pay up! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47052999)

You're an idiot and the people upvoting this are idiots. This game will never have a multiplayer component, whether paid DLC or free. You might have noticed Deus Ex: Human Revolution and Bioshock Infinite also never got multplayer components of any sort. Single player FPSes aren't dead, they're just very rare.

Re:Pay up! (3)

drcagn (715012) | about 2 months ago | (#47053049)

Considering all the hours I got out of Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory for YEARS... for completely FREE... That's no big deal to me.

But, honestly, I don't care about multiplayer Wolfenstein, my copy of The New Order comes in tomorrow and I hope they really focused on a great single player experience because not many FPS games do nowadays.

Game of the year (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47054279)

I've never gotten the point of tacking on multiplayer. If you want that it's better to buy games with large communities and a strong focus on MP. Similarly the CoD games have tacked on single player that is so bad it's painful to play. Utter tosh and a waste of effort for the devs.

I'm having a great time with the Wolfenstein TNO. The A.I. could be better, but on the upside there's no re-spawning enemies or monster closets. More importantly the game is never boring. There's no hub world or driving sections, or for that matter long walks (like in FarCry Blood Dragon). It's all pure game, just the way I liked things.

It also manages to spice up the action so that it does not feel repetitive. The level design is creative, and there's always something new around the corner. I've only played for 4 hours, but that has been four hours of constant fun. I've heard the game goes of track towards the end, but four hours of unpadded fun is a rare treat so I feel I got my moneys worth already.

So definitely the best new game I've played this year and might just be my game of the year (though partly due to lack of competition).

Re:Pay up! (2)

jones_supa (887896) | about 2 months ago | (#47054283)

Unusually for a modern FPS, the game has no multiplayer element... included with the initial purchase.
Oh, sorry; did you think you were getting that part for free? We'll release that for separate purchase soon. Welcome to 2014.

It forces them to focus on better single player experience when they are not including multiplayer at all.

Come here! (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | about 2 months ago | (#47052197)

Your pass!

Still my favorite version.

50 GB?? (2)

Jahoda (2715225) | about 2 months ago | (#47052253)

Did they choose Titanfall's method of "copy protection" ? That is to say, a massive amount of uncompressed sound assets??? Jeeze, that just seems terribly inefficient.

Re:50 GB?? (4, Interesting)

mythosaz (572040) | about 2 months ago | (#47052289)

Back in the day, I recall a number of pirate copies of games that compressed audio/video assets because bits were still costly and slow.

*shrug*

Re:50 GB?? (1)

Mashiki (184564) | about 2 months ago | (#47052449)

I remember quite a few pirated games that simply stripped out assets to save space, anything from videos to foreign languages, to also reducing texture sizes. It was funny to read and see the difference in some of the old nfo's, where a game would be say 1GB, and some group would release a rip where the game was squished down to 120MB.

Re:50 GB?? (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | about 2 months ago | (#47052787)

Back in the day, I recall a number of pirate copies of games that compressed audio/video assets because bits were still costly and slow.

You're thinking of "gamerips" or "repacks"

I just checked the torrent sites and there's already several repacks out.
Sometimes they strip game assets, other times they just compress the hell out of everything.
You'll only know if the NFO specifically says X% Audio Y% Video.

50 GB?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47052383)

It's based on idTech5 so it most likely makes use of MegaTextures in some way, which is what made Rage so big back when that came out.

Re:50 GB?? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47052399)

check out a video demo the ID Tech 5 engine. The whole concept uses a metric-assload of high detail texture data. tiles it and streams it to the GPU. You get awesome texture detail. at the cost of space...

-S

Re:50 GB?? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47052751)

It's awesome until you get up close. Then it's a washed out 2d mess.

Re:50 GB?? (1)

Rideak (180158) | about 2 months ago | (#47052797)

It's better if you have an SSD.

Re:50 GB?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47052919)

I have a SSD. How's that change the way megatextures work? Looks great at distance but really fake/flat up close.

Re:50 GB?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47054299)

It doesn't.

Rage was bad on that front, but Wolfenstein TNO has something like twice the texture detail on Rage. It's still not great but it no longer bothers me. Neither have I noticed any texture popup during normal gameplay, like which plagued Rage. I was able to get a little bit of popup by throwing the camera around, but that was it. A huge improvement on Rage IOW.

Re:50 GB?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47052579)

shrug! if you have the space on the media why not take full advantage of it. the copy protection is a nice bonus for them, uncompressed formats have the advantage of less processing overhead, if anything it is actually more efficient not less efficient.

Re:50 GB?? (3, Insightful)

Jahoda (2715225) | about 2 months ago | (#47053319)

Processing power is cheap and plentiful, disk bandwidth is not, especially on consoles. And, 50 GB is still quite a hit on your average user's SSD.

Re:50 GB?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47054251)

Processing power is cheap and plentiful, disk bandwidth is not, especially on consoles. And, 50 GB is still quite a hit on your average user's SSD.

50GB is nothing on a PC. And the console version is only like 5GB. At least that's what someone mentioned on a podcast I watched yesterday.

Re:50 GB?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47054429)

50GB on an SSD is quite a lot.

Re:50 GB?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47054447)

Nothing to a spinning hard drive, but everything to a SSD. People still buy 64GB SSDs.

Re:50 GB?? (1)

thegarbz (1787294) | about 2 months ago | (#47054461)

THIS! One of my biggest gripes with Steam and similar services is that I can't dedicated different game folders to different games. I have the choice of having my Steam catalogue on my SSD or on my spinney disc. The loading times of many modern games drives me mental.

Re:50 GB?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47054523)

You can set up multiple Steam directories. I've got my big games on my SSD, and the smaller ones on a spinny disk. It's easy to set up, and not that hard to copy games from one to the other.

Re:50 GB?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47054573)

Nah, that is history. You can now choose to make "steam libraries" on different volumes. I have my most played and disc IO intensive games on an SSD, and the rest on spinning stone tablets.

Re:50 GB?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47054595)

I remember waiting five minutes for a 48K game to load from cassette on a ZX Spectrum. And sometimes take two or three attempts to load successfully... time to make sure my lawn is clear of kids.

Re:50 GB?? (1)

Sockatume (732728) | about 2 months ago | (#47054647)

Apparently audio decoding power is not quite cheap and plentiful enough:

http://www.eurogamer.net/artic... [eurogamer.net]

Re:50 GB?? (1)

SYSS Mouse (694626) | about 2 months ago | (#47053281)

It penalizes those who buy digital copy like Steam

Re:50 GB?? (1)

aliquis (678370) | about 2 months ago | (#47054071)

How?

Re:50 GB?? (1)

ehiris (214677) | about 2 months ago | (#47053763)

Battlefield 4 is 35 GB, and it was nice but the previews of Wolfenstein look a lot better.
Still, the PS4 has about 400 GB available for game data, so it's not too much of a problem like it would have been on the PS3

I wonder about the quality of the game on xbox one with its memory/bus bottlenecks.

C'mon, the interesting question about the game (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 2 months ago | (#47052371)

How're they going to butcher it this time to make it "agreeable" with the various censoring bureaus in Europe. Since it's a game with Nazis, I'll be especially delighted with the German version, usually it's funny as hell.

The kicker is that none of those censoring happens because the countries say that the studios have to, it all happens in proactive submission by the studios themselves.

Re:C'mon, the interesting question about the game (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47052437)

The kicker is that none of those censoring happens because the countries say that the studios have to, it all happens in proactive submission by the studios themselves.

That's just not true. Growing up in Germany in the 90s, customs used to capture and destroy uncensored versions of many USA games. The censorship was often done by the German publisher.

Re:C'mon, the interesting question about the game (1)

tepples (727027) | about 2 months ago | (#47052473)

I seem to remember reading somewhere that Germany recently changed its swastika censorship law to reclassify video games from "children's toys" to "possibly art".

Re:C'mon, the interesting question about the game (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47052803)

It's: ... set in an alternate-history world where the Nazis won WW2, with hero B.J. Blazkowicz setting out to join resistance fighters.

But I want to play ... set in an alternate-history world where Great Germany won WW2, with hero SS-Scharfuehrer H.J. Deutschmann setting out to eradicate the last of the "resistance" terrorists.

Why can't we fight for Germany ??

Re:C'mon, the interesting question about the game (1)

Zembar (803935) | about 2 months ago | (#47053953)

Because that would be some other game and not a Wolfenstein game?

It's not like there aren't any games where you can play as Nazi Germany. Company of Heroes springs to mind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C... [wikipedia.org]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C... [wikipedia.org]

Re:C'mon, the interesting question about the game (1)

ildon (413912) | about 2 months ago | (#47053313)

Supposedly in the German version they completely changed the plot so it's about a mad cult instead of Nazis. I can't verify this for myself.

Re:C'mon, the interesting question about the game (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47054065)

According to the Wikipedia article (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfenstein:_The_New_Order) the Nazis will be "The Regime." All Nazi symbolism and references wil be removed. Sounds pretty bland.

Not all games need a good story (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47052599)

I haven't played the game yet but I find it funny that there is the criticism of the story and characters. I know these things are expected of modern games but, given the heritage of this game, I would never expect a good story but i would expect some fun shooter action. Wolfenstein comes from a time when, "Story in a game is like a story in a porn movie. It's expected to be there, but it's not that important."

Re:Not all games need a good story (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 2 months ago | (#47054445)

Yeah, did you know doom had a story? Even was going to have male and female selectable player characters, with different stats.

Quake was going to be the first FPS MMO based loosely on the dice and paper RPGs the guys liked to play. The Kill Cube would fly over Quakes head (the player character); I think that spinning cube graphic is the spawn cube the boss at the end of Doom2 uses.

Now, You, Carmack or anyone can arbitrarily make up shit after the fact based on shit they cut from the game -- But there were gameplay features AND story on that damn chopping block, so I'm not seeing how such idiots make the distinction. Eg: to say that a lot of what made FF7 popular wasn't the story when we've got low polygon models walking around for most of it is just daft as fuck. You think Portal would be half the game it was without the story? That's Stupid, is all I can say if that's what you think.

Romero left and the games became the same engine after another with no real grasp of what makes games fun. Romero had to beg Carmack to keep multi-player modes in Doom. Romero had to convince Carmack to not do stupid shit like send threatening letters to WAD modders -- Carmack saw us as competition, when our user maps were boosting sales as evidenced by correlation in sales spikes between our underground releases. That's the evidence Romero used to finally get Carmack to open the node builder for Doom levels AFTER we had already reverse engineered the BSP format and created a better nodebuilder ourselves.

Yeah, Romero started Ion Storm and made a crap game called Daikatana, so what, ever played Hovertank or Catacombs - The Abyss? Ugh. Keen was far better in terms of design. However, look at what came out of Ion Storm: Deus Ex. Just because Carmack is ignorant when it comes to what players want (Multiplayer, Cars Racing in a FPS? Now THAT's Rage), and sucks at stories and game mechanics doesn't mean they can't be every bit as valuable as the engine or art. Just because Carmack can't put all the pieces together himself, doesn't mean that an engine is all you need for a good game.

What makes a game first and foremost is the mechanics. The interplay between input and rulesets. Not all games need a story, but that doesn't mean story isn't important. Thomas Was Alone is a great example where giving the game some narrative really made it stand out -- It was demonstrably important.

Good story in a game is like a nice sized cock in intercourse. If you've got a one, it's awesome. If you don't then you just lie to yourself and say it doesn't matter.

Slideshow.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47052777)

I get roughly 0.1 fps in this game, granted i dont exactly have "new" hardware either ;)
I got a Core 2 Duo 8400, 4GB Ram. and a measly NVidia 8800GT(512mb) hehe

But still ive been able to play all the games coming out, exept for Thief and now this.
Yes im a poor bastard that can only afford to upgrade once in a long while :(

first FPS (2, Interesting)

chromaexcursion (2047080) | about 2 months ago | (#47052821)

I may be an old fart.
The first FPS is Wolfenstein, around 1981 on the Apple II.
It was very good at that time.
How times have changed, and how they haven't.

Re:first FPS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47052945)

That's Castle Wolfenstein and was not a fps (first person shooter). It was a top-down side scroller. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C... [wikipedia.org]

Re:first FPS (1)

chromaexcursion (2047080) | about 2 months ago | (#47053189)

You're confusing the Commodore version with the Apple version.
Admittedly, the gun always aimed. You just had to fire at the right time. And in some cases have the correct weapon

Re:first FPS (1)

mattack2 (1165421) | about 2 months ago | (#47053625)

Umm, no. F in FPS is "first person", i.e. looking through the eyes of the player one is controlling.

Wolfenstein has a mostly top down perspective.

Wizardry is arguably a first person, turn based, D&D game.

Re:first FPS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47054095)

You're a fucking idiot.

Re:first FPS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47054325)

Hey Einstein, just that you know, we're talking about Wolfenstein, not Wolfenstein 3D.

An easter egg based on Wolf3D! (3, Informative)

antdude (79039) | about 2 months ago | (#47052829)

Re:An easter egg based on Wolf3D! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47053403)

Why have none of the videos I've watched checked for the secret elevator exit to level 10 on the right wall before you get into the normal elevator. THIS IS FRUSTRATING!

Re:An easter egg based on Wolf3D! (1)

antdude (79039) | about 2 months ago | (#47053853)

Haha, same here. Why aren't the whole Wolf3D game in this Wolfenstein? What about Spear of Density? "Mein Leben!"

I must be getting old... (2)

Gordo_1 (256312) | about 2 months ago | (#47053015)

I watched the trailer. It looks like it's designed for 13 year old boys who wouldn't know a believable premise or nuance if it struck them in the head. It seems to be edited by the same Hollywood effects people that do action movies. I sense that this cacophony of fast moving images is supposed to quickly overload your brain and make you feel like what you're watching is more exciting than it is, but reality is it's just a crutch to fall back on when there's little to scrutinize beyond the special effects.

Beyond that, it appears to be the same old regurgitated storyline (stolen from Rambo and used on practically every FPS since 1992): It's you versus an army of cliched enemies (i.e. aliens, robots, robots created by aliens, nazis or some other 'evil' country that the US fought in the 20th century). The voice acting is full of nondescript caricature-like accents. The up-close textures look like they're from some generic game circa 2005, but other effects/shadows mask it fairly well.

Maybe there are some unique elements to the gameplay, but I'm having trouble getting excited about it. Hasn't this run-and-gun FPS genre been played out enough already? I mean, even Carmack went to go do something more useful with his time...

Re:I must be getting old... (2)

DeSigna (522207) | about 2 months ago | (#47053271)

And I've been getting increasingly nostalgic over WW1&2 shooters (Codename Eagle, BF1942, ET, the original CoD), over the current crop of modern warfare clones. This game might be right up my alley.

Don't have too much time to game these days, but if TF2 or PlanetSide 2 isn't hitting the spot, I might give the new Wolfenstein a try.

Re:I must be getting old... (2)

Nidi62 (1525137) | about 2 months ago | (#47053427)

And I've been getting increasingly nostalgic over WW1&2 shooters (Codename Eagle, BF1942, ET, the original CoD), over the current crop of modern warfare clones. This game might be right up my alley.

Don't have too much time to game these days, but if TF2 or PlanetSide 2 isn't hitting the spot, I might give the new Wolfenstein a try.

Ever try Red Orchestra 2?

Re:I must be getting old... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47054183)

> I watched the trailer. It looks like it's designed for 13 year old boys who wouldn't know a believable premise or nuance if it struck them in the head.

Uh, I was around 12 or 13 when Wolf for DOS came out, and I played the shit out of it. I didn't want sophisticated gameplay, RPG elements, squad based co-op, detailed and intricate story...I wanted to blast nazis and monsters with comically overpowered weapons. Shit, I still enjoy simple twitchy oldschool style FPS.

I think 13 year olds was the demographic then, and it sounds like that's the demographic they're aiming at now.

Re:I must be getting old... (1)

spiritplumber (1944222) | about 2 months ago | (#47054233)

Good times. I felt insanely clever when I figured out how to start with 255 bullets by changing a byte in the game executable. Had people ask me for a copy, even... of course my dumb ass wouldn't charge for the trick.

Castle wolfenstein was first (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47053757)

"Back in 1981, Castle Wolfenstein by Muse software kicked off the Wolfenstein saga" -- There I fixed your error..

As usual (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about 2 months ago | (#47053815)

The game is out for the PS3/4, Xbox 360/One, and Windows.

First of all, thank you for saying "Windows" instead of "PC".

Second, why is it available for old Sony and Microsoft consoles but not for Wii U, Macs or Linux?

Re:As usual (2)

jones_supa (887896) | about 2 months ago | (#47054369)

Second, why is it available for old Sony and Microsoft consoles but not for Wii U, Macs or Linux?

The PS3 and XB360 are bigger and more lucrative platforms.

Not news for nerds; Where is the Linux build? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47053951)

Wake me when they release a build for Linux. With Steam you would have thought everybody would be clamoring to release a build for Linux. Particularly considering that ID software was traditionally a pretty good company in this regard. I guess when they were bought everything went to shit.

Re: Not news for nerds; Where is the Linux build? (1)

minasoko (710100) | about 2 months ago | (#47054357)

This game has almost nothing to do with id. It's developed by Machine Games. Even with Steam being available on Linux, the terrible state of Linux GPU drivers and small audience mean porting would not be worth the time for most developers.

Re: Not news for nerds; Where is the Linux build? (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about 2 months ago | (#47054381)

Linux GPU drivers are not that terrible.

Re: Not news for nerds; Where is the Linux build? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47054511)

They're not terrible at all actually. The proprietary NVidia drivers have near parity with their Windows equivalents, and if you're going to game on Linux, you'd be insane to use anything else. That's why the Steam Machine protos all use NVidia cards.

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Germans not Nazis (1)

Jacek Poplawski (223457) | about 2 months ago | (#47054423)

WW2 was started by Germans, not by Nazis from space.

Insignias (2)

Marquis231 (3115633) | about 2 months ago | (#47054425)

Personally I'm just annoyed that as far as I can tell there are no swastikas or historically accurate insignia's in this game. For me, every time I see that emblem they've opted to use instead it will destroy my immersion. After all, I'm meant to be fighting Nazis.
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